it's all about wants and wishes from the characters; in the book, elphaba is a tragic character who can never win, no matter how hard she tries. it's just never in the cards for her, not to mention that we already KNOW what's going to ultimately happen to her (she melts). but we root for her anyway. characters in musicals sing because they're brought to an emotional point where they have no choice BUT to sing; she wants SO bad to make things right, but she's not the person for it. glinda's the one with the charisma, social smarts, and power. and she has her own wants too, her own wishes, and losses. it's like the girls, at times, want to switch places. in the musical, elphaba would do just about anything to be adored (well, not "anything"), to bring about real change, whereas glinda longs so badly for fiyero. it's like that in the book too, believe it or not; glinda was always a little intimidated by elphie's "spunk" (she's much much shyer in the book series), and elphaba, well she's a whole different kind of creature in the book, very seldom would she admit that she ever wanted something for herself. she was "selfish" once, and it cost her (her affair with fiyero; his murder). 'til the day of her melting she'd be wracked with guilt, never achieving forgiveness. she used to be young, she used to be optimistic, until something "changes in her" (ahem... "defying gravity"... in both the book and musical she meets with the wizard, early on, and leaves, disgusted with his politics. and in both versions, it absolutely breaks glinda's heart). she becomes this shell of herself. the original drafts of the musical were a lot closer to the book actually, though yes, they had to significantly rework it to make it both understandable and likable, because shit was depressing! it became clear that to make the show work, they had to simplify things; they had to make it about the girls: their paths, joining and separating, the tragedy and truth in THAT this is a great video to have for reference: th-cam.com/video/HTr8rLd6aeU/w-d-xo.html :)!
The decision to split it into two parts irked me at first, but the more I thought about it the more it made sense. The musical feels rushed in some places so this could be a good chance to flesh things out.
I also know that most people like the first half more than the second. so I'm sure they're expecting to make a lot more money off of this one than the second one
The question is, are they actually splitting it into two for the sake of fleshing out what needed to be fleshed out I hope so 💚 We'll have to wait and see
I read Wicked, Son of a Witch, and Out of Oz. Something that gets overlooked is how Glinda has (implied mutual) romantic and sexual feelings for Elphaba. So much so that even in the last book she constantly has w*t dreams about Elphaba and has no such feelings to her husband whatsoever. And in the first book Elphaba kissed Glinda before abandoning her on their trip to see the wizard. There's also a sweet moment in the final book where it is implied that Glinda has died in prison and Elphaba comes to take her to the afterlife.
@@tarinblanding1584 Why poor Glinda? She turned on Elphie first. Granted, it's for surface-level reasons, but still... You should feel bad for Elphie and Fiyero, since they're DEAD in the book, yet the musical (and likely the film rendition, also) Disneyfied the story to give The Wicked Witch of the West a bittersweet happy ending with Scarecrow! Fiyero.
Imagine you’re a parent whose kid loves wicked and is excited for the movie, so you see there’s a book that both movie and play is based on, but then your child reads it and now they’re terrified forever and you’re here wondering what happened
That was me. My mom got me into the wicked musical in high school and I discovered the book. This was 15 years ago and I remember not liking this dark and confusing and pessimistic novel.
I was telling this to someone else earlier, I was in a bookstore and saw that there's a new version of the original Wicked book, titled Wicked inspiration for the major motion picture, that's the same book and content but has a new variant cover featuring Galinda (Arianna) reaching up to Elphaba (Cynthia), And the universal movies Wicked logo is used as a title instead of the traditional logo. Very pretty very beautiful, look straight out of a movie poster, which is probably why this little girl ran up to it and asked her mom to buy it for her. Her mom knowing nothing about it, said okay and picked it up for her. I ran over there so fast and let the mom know what the contents of that book were. She was shocked; they were not mature labeling in sight. And I double-checked. It's the same book just with a different cover. Oof😂
@@sighcantthinkofaname Prob cause the book is allegorical 😂… The book is a dark satire that comments on American imperialism in 2003, propaganda, minorities/people with disabilities “assimilating” and working against the system while being part of it. It’s mostly an allegory where certain characters are more symbolic and represent certain kind of themes. For example The wicked witch who was born green different from everyone else represents minorities, queer and people with disabilities. “The Wizard” of Oz represents the American government as it manufactures a fake enemy so the wizard can hide their corrupt activities from the people of Oz. Ala George bush in the Middle East. It’s really bizarre until you realize the themes.
I listened to the audiobook of the first book and they definitely shouldn't have put Ariana in a pink dress on the new cover making it look appropriate for children😂
The movie is an adaptation of the stage show, which was *very* heavily changed to be a lot more family friendly, so it's all good :) The impressive part is that they managed to make a family friendly stage show out of a book series that's so decidedly NOT for kids!
@stephaniel2850 I know, I do not mean the movie. They put the movie cover of Ariana in her pretty dress on the book though without establishing the mature contents of the book
@@Merve77772 Ack, now that I read your comment again that makes way more sense- sorry, definitely read that too fast and wasn't even thinking of the possibility of them using the movie poster for the book cover 😅 Yeah, that probably wasn't the greatest call - it's common to do that, but in this case the source material is so different and so much less family friendly!
I loved Wicked the musical as a kid so when I heard it was based on a book I decided to read it and oh boy 😭😭 The “philosophy club” scene traumatized 12 year old me, I stopped reading the book and only finished it years later lol
I also read it at around 12 years old. Idk what happened but my brain completely shut that scene out. When I reread it finally this past year I had no recollection of that scene 😭😭
I was so interested in the wizard of oz lore/history as a child, I’m so shocked I never knew what the wicked story was actually about until adulthood 😭
My mom's friend gave me this book when I was like 11 and for some reason I never got around to reading it. Thank God, because this would have scarred me.
For Wicked, it's really a book you need to read more than once, and the second time is when you should take your time with the book and question everything. Gregory wrote Wicked as sort of a mirror to our society. You're supposed to question if Elphaba really is wicked and if so/if not then, why - what in her life has led you to come to your conclusion. I think a really good example is the very first page of the prologue. Elphaba is spying on Dorothy's group and all they are doing is gossiping about Elphaba, further perpetuating the lies, yet when you continue the book you then know the "truth" of Elphaba. And Gregory's writing style I think reinforces the confusion, the way he writes isn't straight forward you have to interrupt each line and come to your own conclusion. In regards to the Philosophy Club, the purpose is to show the AIDs epidemic that Gregory lived through. Tibbett isn't different because of his actions, he's different because he contracted a disease and now everyone looks at him different, just like the during the 80s. I do agree his use of certain r-scenes is egregious. But I really think this books gets better with your age, as you get older you experience new and different things so your perspective on things change. I read the book originally when I was 18 years, and I picked it up again in my early 30s. I enjoyed and understood the book better the second time around. It's a book that you really have to sit down and embrace the questions, I think anyway.
Yeah the fact that the author is gay leads to a lot of coded themes (and Elphaba and Glinda's relationship) and it's really important context in my opinion
yeah Elphie's mom was so worried about her second baby possibly having green skin like Elphie, that she dran a pink potion from Granny and then Nessa was born with pink skin and no arms
the potion was from Nanny and it was given to her by a old woman the Grimmoire made to help Elphaba during her life (don't see how they helped her though...). Nessa got her skin from her dad Turtle heart
The green elixir that produced Elphie's green skin was used on Melena by the date raping Oscar Diggs aka The Wizard. Yes, The Wizard is Elphie's biological dad in _Wicked_ canon, yet he has Dororthy & her 3 misfit friends (brainless Scarecrow, heartless Tin Man, and Cowardly Lion) KILL his illegitimate daughter, despite his claims of being "a Sentimental Man, who has always longed to be a father". In the Baum book, it was also the booze which The Wizard told The Cowardly Lion was "liquid courage" (in contrast to the 1939 MGM film giving him the Triple Cross bronze medal).
@@rue...whenwasthis I think you're getting confused. You're talking about a drink Melena had supposedly taken to help prevent Nessa from turning out green like Elphie (in actually, it was an overabundance of milkflowers Frex had told Melena to take that he said would hopefully result in a normal child for the thruple of marrieds Frex X Melena & their shared lover, Turtleheart, of Quadling county [more than likely where the red brick road goes in the 1939 MGM film, if the original lands of OZ are still canon to that specific movie & thus, also remain canon to the maps in the _Wicked_ iterations], but ingesting too many milkflowers proved fatal, which partially led to Melena's premature death). It's the green elixir (given to a wasted Melena during her illicit affair with/getting date raped while drunk by The Wizard) that made Elphie's skin turn green in the first place (while The Great Humbug was having his way with Melena, Melena's minister husband Frex was away doing mission conversions due to his occupation as a roving preacher, alongside his position as acting governor of Munchkinland, a status which he later passed down onto his favorite child, Nessa; Indeed, although Frex played favorites by doting on Nessa while simutaneously casting aside Elphie whenever he wasn't outright blaming her for every misfortune the broken family ever had, Nessa isn't Frex's child no more than Elphie is, for whereas Elphie's biological father is The Wizard, Nessa's biological father is actually the shared Quadling county lover of both Melena & Frex, Turtleheart, who suddenly dies soon after the threesome occurs, no doubt as a spiritual blowback consequence of Frex sinfully going against his own strict religious dogma when actively engaging in the threesome he had with his wife & Turtleheart, yet even with the fact that religious kharma basically killed Turtleheart, the fact that Nessa was actually a Melena X Turtleheart offspring & not his own didn't bother Frex as much as something like that should, given the fact that most preists generally tend to take a sacred vow of celibacy before being ordained, although in the _Wicked_ book, Frex & Melena actually do have a 3rd child before Melena's death, who is actually their own actual child for once & not the biological offspring of other men having their way with the roaming preacher's promiscuous wife, but the witch half-sister's kid brother Shell [named after Turtleheart posthumously, for obvious reasons] doesn't factor at all into the story's many overarching plot threads whatsoever, so his life is completely glossed over). It's the green vial which had caused Elphie's green skin pigmentation and was the "liquid courage" given to the Cowardly Lion in the original L. Frank Baum book (Recall that the placebos The Great Humbug gave to the trio of misfits in the original story were considerably different than the diploma, medal & ticking clock heart which Frank Mogan's version of The Wizard [also cast as The Doorman, The Cabby & The Guard along with his Kansas counterpart of Professor Marvel] gave to Ray Bolger's Scarecrow [Hunk in Kansas], Bert Lahr's Cowardly Lion [Zeke in Kansas] & Jack Hayley's Tin Man [Hickory in Kansas] in the 1939 MGM film, because the original tale saw cheap magician & carnival balllonist Oscar Diggs open up the Scarecrow's burlap sack head to subsequently fill it with bran & bobby pins to symbolize bran-new brains full of sharp intellect, present the Tin Woodsman, a former woodcarver named Nick Chopper [Boq becoming the Tin Man remains exclusive to the _Wicked_ musical, at least for the time being], with a plush stuffed heart made out of sawdust stuffing & red velvet, and putting the green vial in front of the wary Cowardly Lion, who asked him what the contents of the vial signifies, to which The Wizard tells the feline Animal that, if the leftover liquid remaining in the vial was drank, it would exist within him as "liquid courage"; In other words, The Wizard gave the Cowardly Lion alcohol to make him braver, although the contents of the vial didn't turn the Cowardly Lion's fur green like it had made Elphie's skin green). Last I checked, the reasons why Melena died while giving birth are two fold: 1. Frex made his wife subsist on a diet predominately consisting of milkflowers, which were said to be fatal if too many were ingested. Melena obviously ate too many. 2. Nessa in the 1995 novel was born without arms (how her life was lived sans arms is never really explored, since both the "Boq's unrequited crush on Glinda, who only loves Fiyero & Elphie, so she fobs him off to Elphie's half-sister Nessarose out of some ableist pitty for Nessa being born disabled" subplot & really, anything having to do with Elphie's former schoolmates who aren't her two love interests [Fiyero, who is secretly murdered off-page by the OZian milita servicing the corrupt regime in charge and Glinda, whose casting aside her true feelings for Fiyero & Elphie in exchange for stable popularity with OZ's elite led to dire consequences for Fiyero & Elphie that, in turn, resulted in Glinda finding herself stuck in an empty, loveless marriage to a boring dullard she has no romantic inclinations for, which later leads to her basically formally separating from her disinterested husband Sir Chuffery & ruling a kingdom entirely comprised of herself being catered to by "a harem of the most beautiful women in all of OZ" who aren't named OZma or Dorothy Gale] stays completely ignored until the stakes become noticeably higher once _The Wizard of OZ_ baseline plot takes full effect in the 2nd half of the story), however the 2003 musical (and the recent first part of the two-part film that came out earlier today [following earlier screenings for those helping to promote the film]) instead made Nessa a wheelchair-bound paraplegic, whose legs were terribly entangled together during the birthing process, hence why she later needed a wheelchair to get around (that is, until the famous enchanted footwear [Silver Shoes in L. Frank Baum's book, Ruby Slippers in the 1939 MGM film as a visual means to take advantage of the 3-strip technicolor process, or silver slippers with ruby accents in the teaser trailers for the _Wicked_ film cut into two halves, much like the long-running musical adaptation] come into play, as they would give Nessa the power to walk unassisted & also allow her to further continue her religiously oppressive reign over the small-minded Munchkins, although this limited power boost doesn't last for very long, due to the fact that _The Wizard of OZ_ plotline already shows us the ill fate that befalls both wicked witch half-sisters by the end [Nessa gets flattened by the flying Gale farmhouse dropped on top of her by the dissipating tornado conjured out of thin air by Madame Morrible to lure Elphie out of hiding by actively threatening her sister & Elphie receives a mercy kill via innocent child Dorothy Gale melting her with a bucket of water when Elphie accidentally sets fire to her highly flammable black dress & blissfully ignorant Dorothy throws water on Elphie in an attempt put out the fire, unwittingly killing Elphie in the process due to her severe water allergy [Elphie feigning her iconic melting to get a bittersweet happy ending with Fiyero reincarnated as the Scarecrow is exclusive to the stage musical adaptation of _Wickeed_ at least for the time being, as we don't know if Elphie's melting will be real or staged in the 2nd _Wicked_ movie, because although the two-parter film is taking the songs from the long-running musical, it is also taking aspects from Gregory Macguire's novel that the musical either completely left out altogether or had otherwise been condensed [the musical turned loafing lothario & resident Vinkus prince Fiyero into the brainless Scarecrow even though the 1939 MGM film that the promotional adverts for _Wicked_ try to assimmulate the prequel/midquel/continuation with had The Wicked Witch of the West repeatedly threaten to set the Scarecrow on fire, making Boq the Munchkin into the Tin Man when the Tin Woodsman already had the well-established Nick Chopper tragic backstory for most retellings of his origin & the fact that, according to the L. Frank Baum book, Boq is the Munchkin at whose house Dorothy & Toto sleep in for their first night's stay in OZ before Dorothy even meets up with the rest of her other traveling companions, combining Nick Chopper's tragic love story about his forgotten Munchkin maiden Aimee from the original literary OZ lore with the _Wicked_ soap opera drama that is Nessarose's ill-returned obsession for Boq, Boq's unrequited feelings for Galinda & Glinda only having romantic feelings for both Fiyero and Elphie only further muddies things & overcomplicates the narrative a bit]).
They should've gone full Highschool Musical the Musical the Series with it and been like, "Bringing you the epic movie based on the musical based on the book based on the movie based on the book you love, WICKED! Lol
i just started this video but lemme just say: i cannot believe how the movie was so well paced tbh. it felt shorter than the run time with extremely minimal changes, the scenes just really needed the room to breathe!!! i only watched the broadway show a couple weeks ago so i don't have nostalgia for it but the movie was so good imo
I remember going to see the musical at age 13, and then finding out there were books! And then picking up the first book and becoming absolutely scarred
Yall my high school did not realize that this was an ADULT book so i read this book when i was like 14. And like schools are out here banning harry potter but gonna let me get traumatized by wicked
I legit saw the books next to Wicked movie merch in Barnes and Noble, and I was just like… Have any of the employees actually read it???? I haven’t, but I have Wikipedia.
@@littlesparrow303 Gregory Maguire has written another book called Confessions of an Ugly Stepsister that takes a relook in the Cinderella story too. It's another good one.
20:54 Spoilers but Tibbett is very important. He’s not just Tweedledum. The Philosophy Club is an example of the Pleasure Faiths and Yibbett catches what is basically the Oz’s equivalent to HIV/AIDS. His death helps to bring Elphaba out of her mourning.
This series is so weird… I was talking to my partner and mentioned how I have no attachment to the Wizard of Oz/The Wiz/Wicked series but obviously know about them because pop culture and this movie being everywhere. So hearing what the BOOKS were like did not go how I expected 🫠 Great recap ❤
you should look at return to OZ, it's straight up derranged and came out in a time a lot of kids movies tend to traumatise them with weird scary imagery
As someone who just read the first book, is currently on the second one and plan on wrapping up the series before the month is up, and someone who loves your videos, I KNOW I'M IN FOR A WILD RIDE!
I’m at 29:40 and personally think that is in line with Elphabas character! She stays hung up in very little things, she grows to love Fiyero bc he was just nice to her at Shiz and bc they were both different, she grows to love Glinda bc of one nice gesture in the hat scene, she even stays bitter in her grown age at Shiz over the fact that she uses to have, well, typical male parts when she was born. That’s the kind of person that Elphaba is, she has a huge heart, she just doesn’t show it, and she loved her father so much, and her father loved her, he was the only one that treated her kindly when she was a kid, but he really resented her, not having a gift that time means a lot, bc him and Turtle heart were her everything
@ yes!! She is! She is canonically intersex! And the trans one is ambiguous, she does state that she is a girl not by choice and that she isn’t happy about it, and that she understands Boq, she understands boys but that she isn’t a man either, I do see her as trans, but that one isn’t fully canon
I love Wicked the musical and The Wizard of Oz film (even though the behind the scenes is actually insane and sad), but I cannot begin to wrap my head around the lore of both series. There is just so much going on.
When I was like 11 years old and I didn’t even really know that theatre bootlegs were a thing but I still really wanted to experience Wicked, I walked into my local Barnes and Nobel with a pocket full of leaf raking money and bought a copy of the musical soundtrack… and a copy of the book, should be the same thing as watching the musical right? Right??
When I was in high school and found out there was a Wicked book I was so excited... until I read it. I don't think I made it past the Wizard's first appearance
I was in high school when I read Wicked. I liked the dark juxtaposition of what Oz was “really” like compared to the childish view that the original Oz books and movie showed. Gregory Maguire does this frequently in his books. I always assumed that the evil nature of his Oz world would put into perspective how someone like Elphaba, who was fighting a just cause, could be seen as Wicked. In comparison to what is seen as “normal” in this world she would be seen as disruptive to the mob mindset of the the inhabitants of Oz. Imagine my surprise when Wicked the Musical came out the next year and it was nothing like the tone of the book I enjoyed. I feel like the bite of examining who is seen as wicked, why they’re seen that way, and the environment that made them that way was all washed away. I like the music of the musical but I can’t say that I enjoy it. It just always felt so saccharine in comparison. A lot of the confusing bit with the Ozmas and Mambie all come from the original Oz books. The musical really took most of the book reference out (which makes the musical and the musical movie a copyright anomaly). It will be interesting to see if they put more book references back in so they don’t get sued for copyright by MGM.
29:48 I think the reason the obsession feels weird is probably because Elfaba needs to be obsessed with the shoes by the time Dorothy shows up because the shoes are silver in the book. When I attempted to read Wicked in HS I remember being really bored, and my friend having a grand time and reading them all lol
I found the book in my local library when I was WAYYY to young to read it. I don't remember exactly but I think I stopped reading it when Elphana&Fiyero were sleeping together. Thank god I didn't continue, though it might have been a little too late and it definitely scarred me a little. I only found out about the musical AFTER reading the book and I remember thinking "how the fuck can they adapt this book with the amount of sex in it?!" I still don't know bc I never bothered to even read a summary of the musical lol Edit: ok I just read one, it's a totally different story?? They changed the whole plot!
Wait they're STILL DOING 2 PARTS?!? I thought they had abandoned that idea bc I have seen zero hints from the marketing that it's just part 1. Making this a 2-parter is a BAAAAADDDD IDEAAA
Watched the movie last night and it's perfect as a complete movie and there was absolutely no space for what happened in the musical's second act. You'll leave the movie both satisfied with part 1 and looking forward to part 2.
I couldn't finish the book but I'm still very obsessed with the lore, so watching all this videos telling the story is almost like I managed to finish reading it. And i just watched the movie yesterday, it's amazing!
Me: hmm i wonder if i should reread Wicked i didnt get it the first time and may enjoy it now as im older You: posts this Me: ykow what ill just listen to the musical Greggory what the FU-
Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one who genuinely loves this book series, especially the first one, like it's definitely in my top 10 favourite books of all time! But my favourite tag on AO3 is Dead Dove so maybe there's that! Good video, you jave an amazing voice!
Thank you for doing this. I sometimes wonder why on earth they wanted to make a musical out of that book Wicked: The Life & Times of The Wicked Witch of The West! Some no MOST have absolutely no idea what this musical is so call based on because the musical ( and now movie ) , The original Wizard of Oz and book all have really absolutely nothing to do with each other. It has already been stated they are all different worlds and they just share the same characters & let’s say extreme loosely based plot lines. You have to see all of them as completely different entities.
10/10 highly recommended watching before going to see the movie, this vid really helped. also does anyone else think amanda is super fun and fresh and cool????? also i think she has a really amazing sister
I saw the musical and bought the book afterwards. I never finished it after I finally acknowledged I wasn’t enjoying it. It was the first book I never finished lol.
Thank you for your service because I just started this book and I am NOT finishing it now. SA is a huge nope for me, especially so casually and frequently.
First of all: Glad to know I’m not the only one who thinks Gregory is too obsessed with putting SA in these books. I never made it past book 2. I just got BORED. It should’ve been one-and-done. Especially considering it seems to only further deviate from Baum’s canon (LIKE HOW OZMA IS SUPPOSED TO BE DOROTHY’S GIRLFRIEND!).
OZma being Dorothy's girlfriend is in OG OZ canon too. Once "Dorothy of OZ" was written, Dorothy permanently relocates to OZ & although her Aunt Em and Uncle Henry live on a farm homestead outside The Emerald City, Dorothy moves into The Emerald City palace, with her being the ONLY ONE to OZma's PRIVATE BEDCHAMBERS. Make of that what you wish.
I've never read the Wicked books but I HAVE incidentally read the first several Oz books by L. Frank Baum and can confirm that some elements mentioned are actually from the original books (mainly Ozma, Mombi, "tik tok" people, how Oz is connected to the real world via desert... & kind of sentient animals but not the same way) And these books are... also very very weird?? They are (roughly) child-friendly, but the further you go into the series, the more surreal and unsettling it becomes 😭 One part I never forgot is this bizarre one-off villain who has cabinets full of disembodied heads that she "wears" depending on her mood ... and I think she steals women's heads to add to her collection or something?? And she barely has an impact on the main plot of the book, which is basically how most of the books go plot-wise. Side note: I've also heard theories that Baum intended the original book(s?) to be an allegory about the American western frontier to justify genocide of Indigenous people?! (But I read these books as a kid so I don't personally remember much to back that up)
I remember my mom downloaded the audible book for me when I was in middle school and I got to one of the sex scenes and stopped. I was too embarrassed to ever tell my mom why I didn’t finish it and even as a 30 year old I’m worried my mom is going to find out how sexual and weird this book she told me to listen to was 😂
I started reading Wicked and BROTHER... I do want to go finish it but the first time around it was. WEIRD. It makes me curious as to what they're bringing into the films from the books and I think it'd be lovely to see backstory and the aspects that really explain Elphie's motivations.
I’ve been down the Wicked books rabbit hole. First I didn’t know there was a book, turns out there’s 7?! And they are the most raunchy, explicit, out match Stephen King, books ever. *14 in the series, I’m dead
I read the book way back as a teen, and it definitely left a strong impression on me. I had little iterest in reading the sequels. That being said, based on your summary, I still forgot so many of these details. Even forgot some of the plot points, which I'm usually good at remembering.
I remember really liking the way this book, I read it before ever seeing the musical and was kinda disappointed that the show felt a bit flat and surface-level in comparison. But I was also 16 years old and still teaching myself the English language, so I think the non-con parts just went over my head. I think Elphaba's struggles of being an outcast with a strong sense of justice really resonated with me. Also much preferred book-Fiyero and the Elphie-Glinda situation revolving around their values and the way they deal with being inside this fascist regime, while the musical (for digestible entertainment reasons) turns it into a love triangle drama. Though if I re-read it now with a fully developed brain and more comprehension of the english language, I bet I'd also be disturbed by the sex scenes.
Just got out of the film and I'm so serious, hype aside; that was one of the best movies I've ever seen and THE best musical I've ever seen (and I've seen a lot).
I sure did attempt to read this when I was maybe 10. I got to the first mention of boobs and I was like “I’m out of here” and put it right back on my mom’s shelf 😂
I was wondering how you read all 4 books because after the first one I was like I need at least a 3 month break before I continue 😂 but totally fair to not continue
Thank you so much for this video! I’ve been looking all over for someone just to explain the books lol they all want to go off on these crazy tangents to make videos that are way too long to serve their own egos
“If they spent so much on the marketing, then how much did they spend on the movie?” Did you not see any of the marketing/ stuff with the cast and directors and how much of the set was a physical set and the talent in the movie? Please tell us you really didn’t see any of the marketing without telling us
Unpopular Opinion based on just vibes: Moana 2 is coming next week and it's gonna blow the entire box office opportunities for "Wicked" with minimal marketing outside of already 'Disney' things
oh wow, I'd much rather have that book made into a series than the movie we are gonna get xD I was really excited about the movie but tbh I am already so annoyed by it without it even being out I probably won't be watching it anytime soon 😅
I clicked on this video because I was literally just thinking about how I read the second book shortly after the first in 6th grade, but didn't know that there were 2 more. I wasn't expecting the first few seconds to crack me up in the way that it did, so thank you for that. I couldn't stop laughing about it, which ended up in me having to try to explain it to my mother, who I'm sure doesn't find it nearly as amusing as someone who doesn't really watch TH-cam 🫠 But I'm hooked now, so. Successful opener, in my opinion 😂
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Neat, you got me legit interested
For some reason knowing the books are very sexual makes the misprinted website on their dolls funnier
not even for some reason. it's for like. every reason😭
If this was a fanfic on AO3 the tags would be:
Prequel . Canon divergence . death dove: do not eat
AND YOU KNOW IT
And I wouldn’t be able to resist likeee
explains why i remember it so fondly honestly
You forgot “Lemon” or “porn with plot”
it’s so weird how someone read this and found a way to make it a very famous musical 😭
it's all about wants and wishes from the characters; in the book, elphaba is a tragic character who can never win, no matter how hard she tries. it's just never in the cards for her, not to mention that we already KNOW what's going to ultimately happen to her (she melts). but we root for her anyway. characters in musicals sing because they're brought to an emotional point where they have no choice BUT to sing; she wants SO bad to make things right, but she's not the person for it. glinda's the one with the charisma, social smarts, and power. and she has her own wants too, her own wishes, and losses. it's like the girls, at times, want to switch places. in the musical, elphaba would do just about anything to be adored (well, not "anything"), to bring about real change, whereas glinda longs so badly for fiyero. it's like that in the book too, believe it or not; glinda was always a little intimidated by elphie's "spunk" (she's much much shyer in the book series), and elphaba, well she's a whole different kind of creature in the book, very seldom would she admit that she ever wanted something for herself. she was "selfish" once, and it cost her (her affair with fiyero; his murder). 'til the day of her melting she'd be wracked with guilt, never achieving forgiveness.
she used to be young, she used to be optimistic, until something "changes in her" (ahem... "defying gravity"... in both the book and musical she meets with the wizard, early on, and leaves, disgusted with his politics. and in both versions, it absolutely breaks glinda's heart). she becomes this shell of herself. the original drafts of the musical were a lot closer to the book actually, though yes, they had to significantly rework it to make it both understandable and likable, because shit was depressing! it became clear that to make the show work, they had to simplify things; they had to make it about the girls: their paths, joining and separating, the tragedy and truth in THAT
this is a great video to have for reference: th-cam.com/video/HTr8rLd6aeU/w-d-xo.html :)!
@@michelle58947 I don't know you but just know that I absolutely love you for this comment❤
The way the advertising budget for this film is actually insane 😭
Universal wants this baby to make a billion dollars. If it doesn’t, somebody is getting fired
Fr 😭 I saw the wicked trailer in a little square while I was playing a ROBLOX GAME
I had two wicked ads before the video started 😂
This sentence makes no sense.
@@chrisperry4014how
The decision to split it into two parts irked me at first, but the more I thought about it the more it made sense. The musical feels rushed in some places so this could be a good chance to flesh things out.
I also know that most people like the first half more than the second. so I'm sure they're expecting to make a lot more money off of this one than the second one
As far as the Broadway musical concerned, Act 1 is a masterpiece imo. Act 2 isn’t as magical as act 1 but still solid
The question is, are they actually splitting it into two for the sake of fleshing out what needed to be fleshed out
I hope so 💚 We'll have to wait and see
I read Wicked, Son of a Witch, and Out of Oz. Something that gets overlooked is how Glinda has (implied mutual) romantic and sexual feelings for Elphaba. So much so that even in the last book she constantly has w*t dreams about Elphaba and has no such feelings to her husband whatsoever. And in the first book Elphaba kissed Glinda before abandoning her on their trip to see the wizard. There's also a sweet moment in the final book where it is implied that Glinda has died in prison and Elphaba comes to take her to the afterlife.
help?😭
What people forget or don't know is that the books were written by a gay man. There's a lot of underlying gay or gay-coded themes
Wait, what? I'm sorry, WHAT?! Where can I buy these books, that sounds awesome!
Nooooooo don’t make me cry 😭 poor Glinda
@@tarinblanding1584 Why poor Glinda? She turned on Elphie first. Granted, it's for surface-level reasons, but still... You should feel bad for Elphie and Fiyero, since they're DEAD in the book, yet the musical (and likely the film rendition, also) Disneyfied the story to give The Wicked Witch of the West a bittersweet happy ending with Scarecrow! Fiyero.
Imagine you’re a parent whose kid loves wicked and is excited for the movie, so you see there’s a book that both movie and play is based on, but then your child reads it and now they’re terrified forever and you’re here wondering what happened
I read maybe half of it in 7th grade, the good news is I found it too confusing to be scarred by it.
That was me. My mom got me into the wicked musical in high school and I discovered the book. This was 15 years ago and I remember not liking this dark and confusing and pessimistic novel.
I read it in high school after seeing the show, pretty sure I DNFed but not before I got to the bestiality! 🙃
I was telling this to someone else earlier, I was in a bookstore and saw that there's a new version of the original Wicked book, titled Wicked inspiration for the major motion picture, that's the same book and content but has a new variant cover featuring Galinda (Arianna) reaching up to Elphaba (Cynthia), And the universal movies Wicked logo is used as a title instead of the traditional logo. Very pretty very beautiful, look straight out of a movie poster, which is probably why this little girl ran up to it and asked her mom to buy it for her. Her mom knowing nothing about it, said okay and picked it up for her. I ran over there so fast and let the mom know what the contents of that book were. She was shocked; they were not mature labeling in sight. And I double-checked. It's the same book just with a different cover. Oof😂
@@sighcantthinkofaname Prob cause the book is allegorical 😂… The book is a dark satire that comments on American imperialism in 2003, propaganda, minorities/people with disabilities “assimilating” and working against the system while being part of it. It’s mostly an allegory where certain characters are more symbolic and represent certain kind of themes. For example The wicked witch who was born green different from everyone else represents minorities, queer and people with disabilities. “The Wizard” of Oz represents the American government as it manufactures a fake enemy so the wizard can hide their corrupt activities from the people of Oz. Ala George bush in the Middle East. It’s really bizarre until you realize the themes.
The plot of the first book alone sounds like an entire series.
Now I wish that were real
I listened to the audiobook of the first book and they definitely shouldn't have put Ariana in a pink dress on the new cover making it look appropriate for children😂
🫢 ariana stans beware
The movie is an adaptation of the stage show, which was *very* heavily changed to be a lot more family friendly, so it's all good :) The impressive part is that they managed to make a family friendly stage show out of a book series that's so decidedly NOT for kids!
@stephaniel2850 I know, I do not mean the movie. They put the movie cover of Ariana in her pretty dress on the book though without establishing the mature contents of the book
@@Merve77772 Ack, now that I read your comment again that makes way more sense- sorry, definitely read that too fast and wasn't even thinking of the possibility of them using the movie poster for the book cover 😅 Yeah, that probably wasn't the greatest call - it's common to do that, but in this case the source material is so different and so much less family friendly!
What
i was literally just wondering what to watch with my lunch. your timing is impeccable
Its dinner for me but same 💋
Same but the scenes were insane 😭
I loved Wicked the musical as a kid so when I heard it was based on a book I decided to read it and oh boy 😭😭
The “philosophy club” scene traumatized 12 year old me, I stopped reading the book and only finished it years later lol
Oh noooo!! 😭😭
I also read it at around 12 years old. Idk what happened but my brain completely shut that scene out. When I reread it finally this past year I had no recollection of that scene 😭😭
Omg I haven’t read it yet, what the philosophy club scene😭😭
@@ladyhexton3773 she explains in the video, maybe 15 minutes in? I dare not repeat what happens 😞
@@phelisejoy7118I just got to that part. Yikes😬
I was so interested in the wizard of oz lore/history as a child, I’m so shocked I never knew what the wicked story was actually about until adulthood 😭
The musical is VERY different and much better!
oh honey that's probably for the best
My mom's friend gave me this book when I was like 11 and for some reason I never got around to reading it. Thank God, because this would have scarred me.
For Wicked, it's really a book you need to read more than once, and the second time is when you should take your time with the book and question everything. Gregory wrote Wicked as sort of a mirror to our society. You're supposed to question if Elphaba really is wicked and if so/if not then, why - what in her life has led you to come to your conclusion. I think a really good example is the very first page of the prologue. Elphaba is spying on Dorothy's group and all they are doing is gossiping about Elphaba, further perpetuating the lies, yet when you continue the book you then know the "truth" of Elphaba. And Gregory's writing style I think reinforces the confusion, the way he writes isn't straight forward you have to interrupt each line and come to your own conclusion. In regards to the Philosophy Club, the purpose is to show the AIDs epidemic that Gregory lived through. Tibbett isn't different because of his actions, he's different because he contracted a disease and now everyone looks at him different, just like the during the 80s. I do agree his use of certain r-scenes is egregious. But I really think this books gets better with your age, as you get older you experience new and different things so your perspective on things change. I read the book originally when I was 18 years, and I picked it up again in my early 30s. I enjoyed and understood the book better the second time around. It's a book that you really have to sit down and embrace the questions, I think anyway.
Yeah the fact that the author is gay leads to a lot of coded themes (and Elphaba and Glinda's relationship) and it's really important context in my opinion
I might have to reread it because that really does add a lot of important context!
THE SCHOOL FOR GOOD AND EVIL COMPARISON IS SO ACCURATE
The nicknames “Elphie” and “Aggie” too like 😭
the way every single one of my favorite youtubers is doing a wicked video rn, I am so fed and I‘m still eating it up
As somebody who’s seen the musical a couple of times, is so hype for the movie and yet hasn’t read the book, I’m so sat for this
yeah Elphie's mom was so worried about her second baby possibly having green skin like Elphie, that she dran a pink potion from Granny and then Nessa was born with pink skin and no arms
the potion was from Nanny and it was given to her by a old woman the Grimmoire made to help Elphaba during her life (don't see how they helped her though...). Nessa got her skin from her dad Turtle heart
The green elixir that produced Elphie's green skin was used on Melena by the date raping Oscar Diggs aka The Wizard. Yes, The Wizard is Elphie's biological dad in _Wicked_ canon, yet he has Dororthy & her 3 misfit friends (brainless Scarecrow, heartless Tin Man, and Cowardly Lion) KILL his illegitimate daughter, despite his claims of being "a Sentimental Man, who has always longed to be a father". In the Baum book, it was also the booze which The Wizard told The Cowardly Lion was "liquid courage" (in contrast to the 1939 MGM film giving him the Triple Cross bronze medal).
@@Marinlss no she didnt, Melena drank another potion to prevent Nessa from having green skin, resulting in her being being born with pink skin
@@rue...whenwasthis I think you're getting confused.
You're talking about a drink Melena had supposedly taken to help prevent Nessa from turning out green like Elphie (in actually, it was an overabundance of milkflowers Frex had told Melena to take that he said would hopefully result in a normal child for the thruple of marrieds Frex X Melena & their shared lover, Turtleheart, of Quadling county [more than likely where the red brick road goes in the 1939 MGM film, if the original lands of OZ are still canon to that specific movie & thus, also remain canon to the maps in the _Wicked_ iterations], but ingesting too many milkflowers proved fatal, which partially led to Melena's premature death).
It's the green elixir (given to a wasted Melena during her illicit affair with/getting date raped while drunk by The Wizard) that made Elphie's skin turn green in the first place (while The Great Humbug was having his way with Melena, Melena's minister husband Frex was away doing mission conversions due to his occupation as a roving preacher, alongside his position as acting governor of Munchkinland, a status which he later passed down onto his favorite child, Nessa; Indeed, although Frex played favorites by doting on Nessa while simutaneously casting aside Elphie whenever he wasn't outright blaming her for every misfortune the broken family ever had, Nessa isn't Frex's child no more than Elphie is, for whereas Elphie's biological father is The Wizard, Nessa's biological father is actually the shared Quadling county lover of both Melena & Frex, Turtleheart, who suddenly dies soon after the threesome occurs, no doubt as a spiritual blowback consequence of Frex sinfully going against his own strict religious dogma when actively engaging in the threesome he had with his wife & Turtleheart, yet even with the fact that religious kharma basically killed Turtleheart, the fact that Nessa was actually a Melena X Turtleheart offspring & not his own didn't bother Frex as much as something like that should, given the fact that most preists generally tend to take a sacred vow of celibacy before being ordained, although in the _Wicked_ book, Frex & Melena actually do have a 3rd child before Melena's death, who is actually their own actual child for once & not the biological offspring of other men having their way with the roaming preacher's promiscuous wife, but the witch half-sister's kid brother Shell [named after Turtleheart posthumously, for obvious reasons] doesn't factor at all into the story's many overarching plot threads whatsoever, so his life is completely glossed over).
It's the green vial which had caused Elphie's green skin pigmentation and was the "liquid courage" given to the Cowardly Lion in the original L. Frank Baum book (Recall that the placebos The Great Humbug gave to the trio of misfits in the original story were considerably different than the diploma, medal & ticking clock heart which Frank Mogan's version of The Wizard [also cast as The Doorman, The Cabby & The Guard along with his Kansas counterpart of Professor Marvel] gave to Ray Bolger's Scarecrow [Hunk in Kansas], Bert Lahr's Cowardly Lion [Zeke in Kansas] & Jack Hayley's Tin Man [Hickory in Kansas] in the 1939 MGM film, because the original tale saw cheap magician & carnival balllonist Oscar Diggs open up the Scarecrow's burlap sack head to subsequently fill it with bran & bobby pins to symbolize bran-new brains full of sharp intellect, present the Tin Woodsman, a former woodcarver named Nick Chopper [Boq becoming the Tin Man remains exclusive to the _Wicked_ musical, at least for the time being], with a plush stuffed heart made out of sawdust stuffing & red velvet, and putting the green vial in front of the wary Cowardly Lion, who asked him what the contents of the vial signifies, to which The Wizard tells the feline Animal that, if the leftover liquid remaining in the vial was drank, it would exist within him as "liquid courage"; In other words, The Wizard gave the Cowardly Lion alcohol to make him braver, although the contents of the vial didn't turn the Cowardly Lion's fur green like it had made Elphie's skin green).
Last I checked, the reasons why Melena died while giving birth are two fold:
1. Frex made his wife subsist on a diet predominately consisting of milkflowers, which were said to be fatal if too many were ingested. Melena obviously ate too many.
2. Nessa in the 1995 novel was born without arms (how her life was lived sans arms is never really explored, since both the "Boq's unrequited crush on Glinda, who only loves Fiyero & Elphie, so she fobs him off to Elphie's half-sister Nessarose out of some ableist pitty for Nessa being born disabled" subplot & really, anything having to do with Elphie's former schoolmates who aren't her two love interests [Fiyero, who is secretly murdered off-page by the OZian milita servicing the corrupt regime in charge and Glinda, whose casting aside her true feelings for Fiyero & Elphie in exchange for stable popularity with OZ's elite led to dire consequences for Fiyero & Elphie that, in turn, resulted in Glinda finding herself stuck in an empty, loveless marriage to a boring dullard she has no romantic inclinations for, which later leads to her basically formally separating from her disinterested husband Sir Chuffery & ruling a kingdom entirely comprised of herself being catered to by "a harem of the most beautiful women in all of OZ" who aren't named OZma or Dorothy Gale] stays completely ignored until the stakes become noticeably higher once _The Wizard of OZ_ baseline plot takes full effect in the 2nd half of the story), however the 2003 musical (and the recent first part of the two-part film that came out earlier today [following earlier screenings for those helping to promote the film]) instead made Nessa a wheelchair-bound paraplegic, whose legs were terribly entangled together during the birthing process, hence why she later needed a wheelchair to get around (that is, until the famous enchanted footwear [Silver Shoes in L. Frank Baum's book, Ruby Slippers in the 1939 MGM film as a visual means to take advantage of the 3-strip technicolor process, or silver slippers with ruby accents in the teaser trailers for the _Wicked_ film cut into two halves, much like the long-running musical adaptation] come into play, as they would give Nessa the power to walk unassisted & also allow her to further continue her religiously oppressive reign over the small-minded Munchkins, although this limited power boost doesn't last for very long, due to the fact that _The Wizard of OZ_ plotline already shows us the ill fate that befalls both wicked witch half-sisters by the end [Nessa gets flattened by the flying Gale farmhouse dropped on top of her by the dissipating tornado conjured out of thin air by Madame Morrible to lure Elphie out of hiding by actively threatening her sister & Elphie receives a mercy kill via innocent child Dorothy Gale melting her with a bucket of water when Elphie accidentally sets fire to her highly flammable black dress & blissfully ignorant Dorothy throws water on Elphie in an attempt put out the fire, unwittingly killing Elphie in the process due to her severe water allergy [Elphie feigning her iconic melting to get a bittersweet happy ending with Fiyero reincarnated as the Scarecrow is exclusive to the stage musical adaptation of _Wickeed_ at least for the time being, as we don't know if Elphie's melting will be real or staged in the 2nd _Wicked_ movie, because although the two-parter film is taking the songs from the long-running musical, it is also taking aspects from Gregory Macguire's novel that the musical either completely left out altogether or had otherwise been condensed [the musical turned loafing lothario & resident Vinkus prince Fiyero into the brainless Scarecrow even though the 1939 MGM film that the promotional adverts for _Wicked_ try to assimmulate the prequel/midquel/continuation with had The Wicked Witch of the West repeatedly threaten to set the Scarecrow on fire, making Boq the Munchkin into the Tin Man when the Tin Woodsman already had the well-established Nick Chopper tragic backstory for most retellings of his origin & the fact that, according to the L. Frank Baum book, Boq is the Munchkin at whose house Dorothy & Toto sleep in for their first night's stay in OZ before Dorothy even meets up with the rest of her other traveling companions, combining Nick Chopper's tragic love story about his forgotten Munchkin maiden Aimee from the original literary OZ lore with the _Wicked_ soap opera drama that is Nessarose's ill-returned obsession for Boq, Boq's unrequited feelings for Galinda & Glinda only having romantic feelings for both Fiyero and Elphie only further muddies things & overcomplicates the narrative a bit]).
They should've gone full Highschool Musical the Musical the Series with it and been like, "Bringing you the epic movie based on the musical based on the book based on the movie based on the book you love, WICKED! Lol
i just started this video but lemme just say: i cannot believe how the movie was so well paced tbh. it felt shorter than the run time with extremely minimal changes, the scenes just really needed the room to breathe!!! i only watched the broadway show a couple weeks ago so i don't have nostalgia for it but the movie was so good imo
That's one of the things I was so amazed by--the pacing was so well done!!
I remember going to see the musical at age 13, and then finding out there were books! And then picking up the first book and becoming absolutely scarred
Yall my high school did not realize that this was an ADULT book so i read this book when i was like 14. And like schools are out here banning harry potter but gonna let me get traumatized by wicked
Yeah, the books are definitely for adults. I've read Wicked and Son of a Witch. Not for kids. 😂
I knew the movie was based off the broadway but now knowing it’s has a book series. Now I want to read it since I am an adult
I legit saw the books next to Wicked movie merch in Barnes and Noble, and I was just like…
Have any of the employees actually read it????
I haven’t, but I have Wikipedia.
@@littlesparrow303 Gregory Maguire has written another book called Confessions of an Ugly Stepsister that takes a relook in the Cinderella story too. It's another good one.
20:54 Spoilers but Tibbett is very important. He’s not just Tweedledum. The Philosophy Club is an example of the Pleasure Faiths and Yibbett catches what is basically the Oz’s equivalent to HIV/AIDS. His death helps to bring Elphaba out of her mourning.
This series is so weird… I was talking to my partner and mentioned how I have no attachment to the Wizard of Oz/The Wiz/Wicked series but obviously know about them because pop culture and this movie being everywhere. So hearing what the BOOKS were like did not go how I expected 🫠 Great recap ❤
you should look at return to OZ, it's straight up derranged and came out in a time a lot of kids movies tend to traumatise them with weird scary imagery
As someone who just read the first book, is currently on the second one and plan on wrapping up the series before the month is up, and someone who loves your videos, I KNOW I'M IN FOR A WILD RIDE!
Yeah, even giving you the plot like she did, SO MUCH HAPPENS IN THOSE BOOKS!
I’m at 29:40 and personally think that is in line with Elphabas character! She stays hung up in very little things, she grows to love Fiyero bc he was just nice to her at Shiz and bc they were both different, she grows to love Glinda bc of one nice gesture in the hat scene, she even stays bitter in her grown age at Shiz over the fact that she uses to have, well, typical male parts when she was born. That’s the kind of person that Elphaba is, she has a huge heart, she just doesn’t show it, and she loved her father so much, and her father loved her, he was the only one that treated her kindly when she was a kid, but he really resented her, not having a gift that time means a lot, bc him and Turtle heart were her everything
Wait so Elphaba is canonical intersex or trans in the books? Wicked.
@@adrinalinekid2320yes the book states at the beginning she’s born a hermaphrodite
@ yes!! She is! She is canonically intersex! And the trans one is ambiguous, she does state that she is a girl not by choice and that she isn’t happy about it, and that she understands Boq, she understands boys but that she isn’t a man either, I do see her as trans, but that one isn’t fully canon
u look so freakin pretty with glasses !!
She is!! But she's always pretty also without ❤
I love Wicked the musical and The Wizard of Oz film (even though the behind the scenes is actually insane and sad), but I cannot begin to wrap my head around the lore of both series. There is just so much going on.
I definitely agree about the books being uncomfortably sexual
Believe it or not, the Tip/Ozma stuff was in the original Oz books
I love the frequent uploads. Your yapping is very addictive
Elphaba and Glinda are scissorsisters
When I was like 11 years old and I didn’t even really know that theatre bootlegs were a thing but I still really wanted to experience Wicked, I walked into my local Barnes and Nobel with a pocket full of leaf raking money and bought a copy of the musical soundtrack… and a copy of the book, should be the same thing as watching the musical right? Right??
Oh man, I needed that laugh! You must have been SO confused.
Did the songs from the musical soundtrack at least sort of line up with plot points from the book? 🤔
When I was in high school and found out there was a Wicked book I was so excited... until I read it. I don't think I made it past the Wizard's first appearance
that fact that the first of the two ads i got before this video was a wicked trailer is kinda funny
They even advertised it on jeopardy and made the show run out of time for the questions😭😭
Wait, for real? 🤯😭
@ yeah
I was in high school when I read Wicked. I liked the dark juxtaposition of what Oz was “really” like compared to the childish view that the original Oz books and movie showed.
Gregory Maguire does this frequently in his books. I always assumed that the evil nature of his Oz world would put into perspective how someone like Elphaba, who was fighting a just cause, could be seen as Wicked. In comparison to what is seen as “normal” in this world she would be seen as disruptive to the mob mindset of the the inhabitants of Oz.
Imagine my surprise when Wicked the Musical came out the next year and it was nothing like the tone of the book I enjoyed. I feel like the bite of examining who is seen as wicked, why they’re seen that way, and the environment that made them that way was all washed away. I like the music of the musical but I can’t say that I enjoy it. It just always felt so saccharine in comparison.
A lot of the confusing bit with the Ozmas and Mambie all come from the original Oz books. The musical really took most of the book reference out (which makes the musical and the musical movie a copyright anomaly). It will be interesting to see if they put more book references back in so they don’t get sued for copyright by MGM.
at 0:23 I thought u were gonna say “ it was indeed green”
So did I. 😂
Just watched Wicked and it’s absolutely 10/10
29:48 I think the reason the obsession feels weird is probably because Elfaba needs to be obsessed with the shoes by the time Dorothy shows up because the shoes are silver in the book.
When I attempted to read Wicked in HS I remember being really bored, and my friend having a grand time and reading them all lol
I found the book in my local library when I was WAYYY to young to read it. I don't remember exactly but I think I stopped reading it when Elphana&Fiyero were sleeping together. Thank god I didn't continue, though it might have been a little too late and it definitely scarred me a little. I only found out about the musical AFTER reading the book and I remember thinking "how the fuck can they adapt this book with the amount of sex in it?!" I still don't know bc I never bothered to even read a summary of the musical lol
Edit: ok I just read one, it's a totally different story?? They changed the whole plot!
Someone PLEASE check in on this writer😭😭😭😭 NOBODY thinks like this😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@theparrisjuray He's very much alive. He's even done interviews in the wake of the upcoming film.
I saw it last night and it was actually very very good. I was skeptical too but it really was very good.
The book scarred me. I was WAY too young to read the 1st wicked book… forever changed me💀
@@eden_jensen Fr 😣
For good....or wicked? XD
Wait they're STILL DOING 2 PARTS?!? I thought they had abandoned that idea bc I have seen zero hints from the marketing that it's just part 1. Making this a 2-parter is a BAAAAADDDD IDEAAA
Watched the movie last night and it's perfect as a complete movie and there was absolutely no space for what happened in the musical's second act. You'll leave the movie both satisfied with part 1 and looking forward to part 2.
I couldn't finish the book but I'm still very obsessed with the lore, so watching all this videos telling the story is almost like I managed to finish reading it. And i just watched the movie yesterday, it's amazing!
Wake up babe new Amanda video dropped! 🗣
Me: hmm i wonder if i should reread Wicked i didnt get it the first time and may enjoy it now as im older
You: posts this
Me: ykow what ill just listen to the musical Greggory what the FU-
these glasses are very joana ceddia coded
i miss joana
same
Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one who genuinely loves this book series, especially the first one, like it's definitely in my top 10 favourite books of all time!
But my favourite tag on AO3 is Dead Dove so maybe there's that!
Good video, you jave an amazing voice!
Thank you for doing this. I sometimes wonder why on earth they wanted to make a musical out of that book Wicked: The Life & Times of The Wicked Witch of The West! Some no MOST have absolutely no idea what this musical is so call based on because the musical ( and now movie ) , The original Wizard of Oz and book all have really absolutely nothing to do with each other. It has already been stated they are all different worlds and they just share the same characters & let’s say extreme loosely based plot lines. You have to see all of them as completely different entities.
it's crazy how many creators released videos on the wicked past few days
I said HUH???? Like at least 7 times in this video especially 35:40 because WHAT???? also A School for Good and Evil for the win
No cause i thought the philospher club part was bad. like dude really needs some help.
14:56 the word you're looking for is sapient. All goats are sentient, only Goats are sapient.
thank you for thissss i’ve been waiting for a wicked book deep dive
wait all this summary you gave is from ONE BOOK? or did I misundertand cause there's no wayy
she summarized 3 books
It’s the first book until about 35:10 and then the rest is the other two books
Thank you for doing this. There is literally no way I’d ever read these myself 😂
The amount of ideas this dude Gregory had...gosh. Like, the 4 books are FULL of info, FULL of lore!!!!
And a bunch of other books that twist other fairy tales etc.
Love seeing how many of us read this way too young, especially if you didnt already know about the musical.
10/10 highly recommended watching before going to see the movie, this vid really helped. also does anyone else think amanda is super fun and fresh and cool????? also i think she has a really amazing sister
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I saw the musical and bought the book afterwards. I never finished it after I finally acknowledged I wasn’t enjoying it. It was the first book I never finished lol.
Thank you for your service because I just started this book and I am NOT finishing it now. SA is a huge nope for me, especially so casually and frequently.
Ok but as a big fan of the musical, the movie did a really good job! I really enjoyed it!
LMAO I read this at 12 years old and this description is wildly validating💀Thought I fever dreamt that shit
First of all: Glad to know I’m not the only one who thinks Gregory is too obsessed with putting SA in these books.
I never made it past book 2. I just got BORED. It should’ve been one-and-done. Especially considering it seems to only further deviate from Baum’s canon (LIKE HOW OZMA IS SUPPOSED TO BE DOROTHY’S GIRLFRIEND!).
OZma being Dorothy's girlfriend is in OG OZ canon too. Once "Dorothy of OZ" was written, Dorothy permanently relocates to OZ & although her Aunt Em and Uncle Henry live on a farm homestead outside The Emerald City, Dorothy moves into The Emerald City palace, with her being the ONLY ONE to OZma's PRIVATE BEDCHAMBERS. Make of that what you wish.
I've never read the Wicked books but I HAVE incidentally read the first several Oz books by L. Frank Baum and can confirm that some elements mentioned are actually from the original books (mainly Ozma, Mombi, "tik tok" people, how Oz is connected to the real world via desert... & kind of sentient animals but not the same way) And these books are... also very very weird?? They are (roughly) child-friendly, but the further you go into the series, the more surreal and unsettling it becomes 😭
One part I never forgot is this bizarre one-off villain who has cabinets full of disembodied heads that she "wears" depending on her mood ... and I think she steals women's heads to add to her collection or something?? And she barely has an impact on the main plot of the book, which is basically how most of the books go plot-wise.
Side note: I've also heard theories that Baum intended the original book(s?) to be an allegory about the American western frontier to justify genocide of Indigenous people?! (But I read these books as a kid so I don't personally remember much to back that up)
I remember my mom downloaded the audible book for me when I was in middle school and I got to one of the sex scenes and stopped. I was too embarrassed to ever tell my mom why I didn’t finish it and even as a 30 year old I’m worried my mom is going to find out how sexual and weird this book she told me to listen to was 😂
i adored the book at 11 as i adore it today
also read the rest of the series into age 14, but it was never as good as the first imo
I started reading Wicked and BROTHER... I do want to go finish it but the first time around it was. WEIRD. It makes me curious as to what they're bringing into the films from the books and I think it'd be lovely to see backstory and the aspects that really explain Elphie's motivations.
I’ve been down the Wicked books rabbit hole. First I didn’t know there was a book, turns out there’s 7?! And they are the most raunchy, explicit, out match Stephen King, books ever. *14 in the series, I’m dead
7?! I only know of 4...
There are 14 books in the original series by Baum and 8 books by McGuire (including the upcoming prequel).
Well, guess what? The movie is GOOD. Its easily top 3-2 musical movie.
I read the book way back as a teen, and it definitely left a strong impression on me. I had little iterest in reading the sequels.
That being said, based on your summary, I still forgot so many of these details. Even forgot some of the plot points, which I'm usually good at remembering.
I remember really liking the way this book, I read it before ever seeing the musical and was kinda disappointed that the show felt a bit flat and surface-level in comparison. But I was also 16 years old and still teaching myself the English language, so I think the non-con parts just went over my head.
I think Elphaba's struggles of being an outcast with a strong sense of justice really resonated with me. Also much preferred book-Fiyero and the Elphie-Glinda situation revolving around their values and the way they deal with being inside this fascist regime, while the musical (for digestible entertainment reasons) turns it into a love triangle drama. Though if I re-read it now with a fully developed brain and more comprehension of the english language, I bet I'd also be disturbed by the sex scenes.
I was confused before but after this I’m even more confused 😂😂😂😂
I live for these according to the books videos
I WENT TO SEE WICKED YESTERDAY AND IT WAS SO GOOD 😍
go see it if u havent ‼️
34:50 I literally thought that was the whole series already wdym that was JUST book 1😭😭
This is such a weird story. I've never read the books or seen the musical so I'm glad someone can explain it to me!
Just got out of the film and I'm so serious, hype aside; that was one of the best movies I've ever seen and THE best musical I've ever seen (and I've seen a lot).
no bc why was i reading this at 12 years old 😭
I zoned out for like. 4 minutes. That was a terrible mistake
Amanda: I’m going to force Wicked down your throat.
Me a theater kid: Oh no! That’s horrible! (Mwahahahaha!)
I sure did attempt to read this when I was maybe 10. I got to the first mention of boobs and I was like “I’m out of here” and put it right back on my mom’s shelf 😂
I was wondering how you read all 4 books because after the first one I was like I need at least a 3 month break before I continue 😂 but totally fair to not continue
thank you for your service!
Everyone is making Wicked videos, and I love it 💕
now that’s wicked
Thank you so much for this video! I’ve been looking all over for someone just to explain the books lol they all want to go off on these crazy tangents to make videos that are way too long to serve their own egos
“If they spent so much on the marketing, then how much did they spend on the movie?” Did you not see any of the marketing/ stuff with the cast and directors and how much of the set was a physical set and the talent in the movie? Please tell us you really didn’t see any of the marketing without telling us
literally anything and everything happens in those books huh
The word for the human like animals is anthropomorphic I hope this helps 🤓
Wow. They worked really hard to get a good musical out of that, huh 💀
GREGORY!!!
Unpopular Opinion based on just vibes: Moana 2 is coming next week and it's gonna blow the entire box office opportunities for "Wicked" with minimal marketing outside of already 'Disney' things
Moana 2 is definitely gonna take the money from families with kids, at least
I read this and presented for my book project in the 5th grade and she made me stop halfway 😢
Omg the movie is actually incredible 🥲
oh wow, I'd much rather have that book made into a series than the movie we are gonna get xD
I was really excited about the movie but tbh I am already so annoyed by it without it even being out I probably won't be watching it anytime soon 😅
I clicked on this video because I was literally just thinking about how I read the second book shortly after the first in 6th grade, but didn't know that there were 2 more. I wasn't expecting the first few seconds to crack me up in the way that it did, so thank you for that. I couldn't stop laughing about it, which ended up in me having to try to explain it to my mother, who I'm sure doesn't find it nearly as amusing as someone who doesn't really watch TH-cam 🫠 But I'm hooked now, so. Successful opener, in my opinion 😂