Is Hammerhead the KING of Machine Guns? (Damage Test) | Destiny 2 Into the Light
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With the recent release of Hammerhead, we decided to do a damage test to see how it stacks up against some of our other Machine Guns.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
2:18 Retrofit Escapade
2:48 Hammerhead (Fourth Time's the Charm / Surrounded)
3:22 Hammerhead (Rampage / Onslaught)
5:28 Thunderlord
6:23 Deterministic Chaos
7:39 Xenophage
8:18 Avalanche
8:54 Commemoration
10:03 Heir Apparent
10:36 Grand Overture
11:08 Outro
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Deterministic Chaos needs FTTC. 4 is literally it's entire cadence, so getting ammo for using it to the rhythm would be perfect
if they want to get creative with the catalyst think they should increase the mag size by 20 and continue the pattern and make it so the 64th bullet does massive damage (like equal to 5 shots from xenophase)
It would fit the gun really well but it's so holy asscheeks and needs a lot more than FTTC
@@mazinhussein4297 16 is a better num for than, good idea tho
I think the weaken percentage needs to increase by like 5% with each weakening bullet up to a max of 45% or something. Giving you a lay on the trigger ramp up but ending with a higher debuff than other options.
IT JUST NEEDS TO BE A RAPID FIRE FRAME FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. It takes WAY too long to process its effects. If you could just let loose and rapidly apply void debuffs it would be such a good utility weapon.
Please no more fell off comments brothers
3 likes in 4 minutes user-pr4ki3hd4l fell off
I hope this stays as the top comment
shit was never funny idk why it started in the first place
Agreed, please no more.
I already did mine so I'm all in for it to stop lmao
I wish they buffed Deterministic Chaos ngl… it has potential to be good especially against Anti-Berriers
Well except, the volatile proc doesn't actually GIVE it Volatile Rounds, it just makes one round of the weapon Volatile, which I think they should either change or just give it Anti-Barrier intrinsiclly. Also, give it Precision Instrument on the catalyst, or have a new perk that gives more damage, like +25%, for each proc of Heavy Metal.
Yeah it's another collection exotic at this point,
they need to buff like 80% of the exotics int he game. most of them are dogshit and not worth using
Yeah, it's so very meh. I wish it hit a bit harder
They should just buff it’s rare if fire tbh
Deterministic Chaos really needs some sort of Buff
with the way they made the volatile shot sound effect, i really want it to deal like Leviathan's Breath level of precision damage
It needs an archetype change. 360s are hot ass.
@@Akfourtysvnthat's gotta be the worst take of all time.
360 are the best at what machines guns are good for which is ad clear.
They have the best ammo economy out of all machine guns.
900s have the highest dps but that is useless for a machine gun becuase that's not their use.
Edit: with that said I would say it being a 900 would help as its perk trigger off shots fired.
It needs a damage buff and ammo buff. Make it a true dps support weapon for bosses. It's like Bungie doesn't know what we want in weapons.
Needs a flat damage buff or a beefy catalyst. Watch bungie give it vorpal lmao
Every part of me wanted this to be sponsored by evolve😂😂
I swear, I was thinking that shit.
Holy cow good to know it’s not just me with that line of thought🤣
100% same bro
na the pc looks good. but the logo from a distance tho💀
@@The-difference-exterminator I think they were going for a logo that was simultaneously a Joy-stick controller from video games of old, to a hammer made from a star like Mjolnir. Hence the name, StarForge. But yeah, you’re right, it’s kinda phallic-esque looking from afar.
The gojo intro was limitless
Domain expansion: Infinite Void
Throughout heaven and earth, I alone am the honored one
Gojo? You mean the guy who gets one shot by the mc gaurdian?
I'm still mad that Onslaught debuted as a perk on Breakneck, and was paired with Rampage, then they reissued Breakneck, gave it Onslaught and Rampage but they're in the same column so you can't even get that OG Rampage/Onslaught combo on it, but they gave it to Hammerhead.
However with breakneck, the damage went down as the fire rate went up. Rampage was just balancing it out. It's basically the same thing now
Rampage doesn’t even roll on the new Breakneck….
@shinyvegeta1315 good that shit sux now
Like the other guy said, the Rampage on the OG Breakneck literally only served to negate the decrease in damage per stack that OG Onslaught did. Otherwise, it would have just been The Huckleberry, except in the form of a legendary auto rifle.
Modern Onslaught does NOT decrease the damage of the bullets per-stack, making the Rampage that the OG came with unnecessary. Functionally, a modern Breakneck with just Onslaught (as in, completely disregarding whatever it may randomly roll with in the third slot) is just as effective as the OG Breakneck. A modern Breakneck with Onslaught and practically *anything* in the third slot is gonna be, functionally, more effective than the OG Breakneck. A modern Breakneck with both the current iteration of Onslaught alongside today's Rampage would be starting to border on Exotic levels of powerful. (Again- see the Huckleberry.)
Of course, you can get Rampage+Onslaught on the Brave Hammerhead. It's even the same RPM as Breakneck, but obviously with the damage profile of a Machine Gun.
It would have been too broken to put that on a kinetic Primary lol. The only reason the OG roll had it was to compensate for the damage loss of old Onslaught.
Back when I first play Destiny 2 during the first of the month of season of the black armory, Hammerhead was my very first heavy machine gun weapon ever and it was my favorite weapon to use in the game and I'm so happy that it has returned.
There were only 2 machines guns back then: Hammerhead and Thunderlord. It's not surprising that Hammerhead was your MG because it was most people's first back then.
@@subdemon.most people’s? Maybe new players, but not old players.
@@subdemon. yeah. it's like "wow no way!"
@@subdemon. thunderlord was not available for me back then as it was locked out for everyone until the exotic mission for that machine gun came back
@@subdemon. I could be wrong, but I thought Avalanche was also available when the machine guns came back to D2.
Finally the hammerhead vid I been waiting for llleeetttsss gooooo!!!
Don't forget about the Rampage/Killing Tally combo for Hammerhead
Legit got off work looking for a video to see if it’s worth it and this was right on time
Hammerhead was my first ever machine gun and it will always be my favorite. It will always be a damn good one
'That no one kept'
*cries in favorite solar MG*
dude same. I have an incand/subsist roll on the 2022 avalanche and it has 6k kills. feels like an exotic with how it tears the room apart in fire
@@mystikad3I have that same roll and it is so nice to clear everything out with only a couple of bullets in a near bottomless magazine.
I have a rewind/auto vorpal/incan roll and ever since I got it commemoration been gathering dust in the vault. Especially when I'm running a solar build with 2x restoration. The LMG is an easy way to keep the buff going.
I feel the fomo rn cuz no good solar 450
Unwavering duty is my fav solar MG dynamic sway/killing tally
I think the design of deterministic chaos is great, they just need to give it a catalyst that either leads into its support roll OR damage.
The single biggest problem for that thing is the miserable rate of fire killing any chance of actually utilizing its perks effectively. For add clear, most enemies die before either the weaken or volatile activate, and for bosses the combination of awful damage and slow activation of the perks completely counteract any utility it might've had. At the end of the day, a Hunter running Gyrfalcon, weakening grenades, and literally any other Void MG is going to crank out far more utility and damage without burning an exotic weapon slot.
@@griffinfaulkner3514 Yeah weaken is not hard to come by. If DC had a higer % weaken it might be better, buts its currently only as good as a melee/grenade.
360's are the best add clear machine guns, but only when they have a damage perk or aoe effect.
@@xPureAndTheTaintedx Imo considering every 4th shot is supposed to be a "heavy" shot it should deal like 25% more on every 4th shot and 50% more on the 16th shot. I'd also say increase the weaken effect to 20% this probably wouldn't push it much higher than it is now but at the very least this plays into the perks it has.
Edit: Another thing they could do is remove the increased recoil from the 4th shot since the 4th shot has 10x higher recoil than the regular shots
Bringing Hammerhead back but not putting the Great White ornament in Eververse is crazy
Maybe in the next few weeks?
It will be soon
It's coming
I already have it so 😂
I don't even care about Hammerhead bro, Linears still hit double those numbers...like, nostalgia doesn't necessarily mean good. Same shit goes for Mountaintop, would you rather use that or a sliding blinding ignition code that's been in the game since fuccin Season 14...
Especially for onslaught, I felt like rewind rounds with killing tally on void hunter with gyrfalcons felt really nice. Shot the tether and got killing tally on the adds and didn’t ever have to reload.
Im fairly sure target lock triggers off of magazine size, so if we're being extra, theres no reason you shouldnt be running the smallest magazine when using actium, would love to know if that beats out hammerhead
True, bit realistically in the realm of machine guns the difference would be minimal.
Nice test. Thanks.
damage test and build battles! peak content!
thanks to onslaught I now have 8 hammerheads with strong perks. thanks destiny
Literally just looking for a DPS video thank you for dropping this
I did not see the GOATjo reference coming. You the king for that.
Commemoration and song of ir yut are my top two, reconstruction is just that godly
Yess my gyrfalcon has a new addition to his collection
Grand overture is crazy used that thing for rhulk pantheon was insane
Hammerhead, Gambit - lots of good memories 😜 it's nice that he's back 💪
I'm kind of excited to try out my rewind/target lock and envious/onslaught roll
Envious is cracked on it. I've managed to get 211 rounds loaded with it. Its not Comm but its a great fucking LMG.
@@MrWiggz69 That's insane and I'm doing it lol
Duality is in rotation this week!!!! Get those reds!
Hammerhead w/ Rewind Rounds and High Impact Reserves is slept on
He is doing gods work out here
Im glad to see the Colossus slug launcher still up in its rightful place. 😊
thanx man
I don't think this is competing for the top dps spot, but it surely is a competition for the best ad clearing mg vs commemoration
Exactly, i don’t understand the sentiment that hammerhead will low commemoration out of the water, reconstruction is what makes it top tier, not having to reload your HMG and having killing tally in unbeatable.
@@generaal007 no hate i just want to say destiny does not have heavy machine guns. they are all lmgs. hmg are mounted u cant even pick them up
@@G1nSan3It doesn't have Sniper Rifles either. There are Scouts and Long Range Scouts. Moving while firing a Sniper Rifle yea right.
@@AnthonyMartinez-fx8pr but the game calls it sniper rifle. The game never called any mg heavy mg
@@G1nSan3 Name one Machine gun that isn't a heavy. Naming something a Sniper doesn't make it one. By definition a Sniper rifle is a stationary weapon meant to be fired from cover. Something you very rarely see happen in Destiny.
Hammerhead was my go to back in the day
Rewund rounds and onslaught on Hammerhead is my go to
I have been loving the world drop Marcato-45 strand LMG for onslaught. I have been using a demo-hatchling roll. I also have a triple tap+hatchling roll and demo+onslaught. This is definitely not a damage LMG but for add clear on strand titan that first roll is great.
Man I was using that too, love Demo/ hatchling with warlock strand build. Either necro grips/thorn or the Aztecross Fellwinters helm with the new void dungeon sidearm. Wanna use it with the strand exotic sidearm & a warmers next too. Or with the wish keeper bow.
@@EchoDoctrine Its a somewhat slept on LMG. I didn't hear anyone talk about it when it came out. I think everyone kinda looked at it, maybe saved a roll or 2 in the vault but hasn't tried it. Yes there are far better LMGs of other elements but if you need strand this is far better than the neomuna one.
@@x9x9x9x9x9 I'd love to try it out but the only halfway decent roll I've gotten is over-under demo which is still very average. Wish you could target it somehow
I’ve been using my demo/onslaught roll in Onslaught and it’s been so much fun. You’re right, never hear anyone talk about it.
@@tysmith1967 I wasn't a huge fan on my onslaught roll. If the mag was larger then I would probably love it but I am loving my hatchling roll. It might be the only weapon with hatchling I really like.
Rampage with killing talley is my godroll🎉
8:26 i kept mine lol, it has subsistence and over under with incandescent and one for all, i absolutely some it and often use it in all tiers of content, from at level to GMs and master dungeons. 10/10 LMG
Main issue I have is the low reserves. I have a Tally/Rewind rounds roll. It allows you to shoot forever, but the reserves are crap and you run out of ammo fast.
I actually kept that exact same Avalanche
8:19 I literally kept that exact roll, never used it, *knew* it wasn't going to do any worthwhile damage, and deleted it.
Thank god I was right, that's one less vault space taken up, and I get to keep my auto-incandescent roll.
For the Hammerhead breakdown, what rolls did you want to test with Gryfalcons?
I still have my masterworked Avalanced for years back. Never deleted it.
I use an ALH+Incan/Vorpal Avalanche all the time. I love it
My guy, vorpal on heavy is a 10% damage buff lol
I wonder how Cascade point stacks up here. If you got some really fast handling with another weapon that you can quickly then swap back to it after getting an ad, then I wonder how it'd do comparatively.
Gotta use the Gyrfalcons build with the void ones imo.
I like Deterministic Chaos a lot Id certainly like to see it get a buff.
Hammerhead and commemoration are really good in high ad environments ngl.
Should've tried rewind rounds with high impact rounds on hammer head, I have it on my machine gun from VOG and that thing hits pretty hard and I can shoot it for a really long time aswell!
Xeno been my number one machine gun since I got it, even when it got nerfed then buffed again
Deterministic applied neither weaken nor volatile during the test - it breaks when you get anti-barrier effect from Well or Volatile rounds.
It honestly needs to have Volatile and Weakening rounds flipped as well as make it apply a debuff equal to Tractor - it will deal less damage than Tractor anyway, but will be a ranged debuff option. Right now you can have Div give the same debuff, but also give crit multiplier and do just as much damage by itself.
i got a roll that I think would be really good for boss dps.. rewind rounds/target lock. I tested it in a well of radiance and just kept on shooting.. i think it reloaded like three times before the damage phase ended in the blind well.. i put back up mag on it.. but if it came with appended/extended mag.. then a boss spec mod would go as well.. just shoot forever until you run out of ammo or the damage phase ends
I got a nasty shiny roll with rampage and 4th times in the 3rd column and target lock and surrounded it's so spicy 🔥🔥🔥🥵
Enhanced 4th time Enhanced target lock retrofit will always be my non exotic favorite. The power.
If you get someone running divinity on a tormentor retrofit absolutely melts them
@@oxsila exactly. The tormentor & nezerac shredder.
Should have tried the Adept Swarm. That thing slaps!
Damn avalanche catching strays. I love using my incandescent one.
I got a Rewind Rounds and Target Lock roll that I haven’t tried yet, hoping it holds up well
Edit: I just finished doing dps on Akelous (I can't manage to do it on templar since no one i know raids or has a checkpoint so the damage numbers may be different), and it clocked in at 827,268 damage while radiant for roughly 7 seconds with actium war rig equipped.
So it’s good but a bit situational; if there’s plenty of ads to get the rampage timing right it’ll be good but that takes a decent amount of effort (to get 6) going
I am taking grand overture outta my vault now!
I got a rampage desperate measures and good lord does it slap
@AztecrossGaming I have like 6-7 different rolls. The one I have that's the big damage for Hammerhead is Fourth Time/Target Lock.
I’ve been running fourth times and killing tally. Get the 3 and it’s there forever with actium and fourth times. Did 4.19M damage against final boss of warlords ruin with 0 heavy for the final stand
So calculating out total damage based on total ammo plus free ammo given by Fourth Times:
Retrofit Escapade - 2.3~ million total (2693 - 3908 per bullet * 646 ammo)
Hammerhead - 2.9 million total (6487 per bullet * 450 ammo)
Just takes hammerhead longer to use all the ammo so in a single damage phase it is less, but for solo boss fight in legend campaign it may be better.
So Rampage + Onslaught is the way to go with Hammerhead? I was thinking Rewind Rounds + Target Lock would do better for boss DPS?
What about target lock fourth times on the hammerhead? Im curious if that is good or not just got a shiny one last night
You have to try Shattered Cipher with field prep/ surounded
so since proccing surrounded and rampage sucks for these the go to is retrofit on boss and commemoration in general, noice.
Although I know Rampage is nice in that 3rd slot, isn't this like the 2nd ever Heavy MG with Envious Assassin (first is Circular Logic)? I used Appended and back up to hit 75 rounds but I can get 225 rounds with Envious in my mag ready for a boss when I've got add phases to fill it with (like Onslaught).
I'm sure Rampage or even FTTC/Rewind Rounds would be a better pick, but I definitely appreciate throwing all my reserves into my mag then just holding down the trigger. Have it paired with Onslaught and man, it's a wild beast.
Is it judt the shinys that are gonna be abke to upgrade your perks or the regulars aswell
Correct Measure until the end
I feel like a lot of weopons got out way ahead of others because of the war rig. If you had to reload zeno or other lmgs, their damage would be more on par with the legendary lmgs that dont have to reload lime commemoration.
I wish he did the 4th times+ Target Lock Hammerhead cause that's the roll I'm going for and I was really hoping for those numbers, not some niche, situational damage perks
I haven’t done the math on it but rewind tl should be a very similar roll, and he did test one of those (the avalanche). Ik that’s not exactly what you’re looking for but just if you want an idea yknow
Got a hammerhead with onslaught and destabilising rounds, what a fun combo. Really mice damage but even with a backup mag ammo is gone in seconds 😄
Mice Damage....you need something more powerful than that...
Please test Circular Logic with Envious and Target Lock, I really want to know how it does against Retro and can't find testing with it anywhere.
fourth time's with killing tally feels really strong on hammerhead
Testing before the enhanced traits come out. Good for base numbers I guess.
I got a shiny with (Column 3) Rampage / Rewind Rounds and (Column 4) Surrounded / High-Impact Reserves. Don't know how I feel about it yet. Gonna pair it with gyrfalcon and see.
Avalanche can proc ignitions very easily tho, wich buff its numbers significantly, and it also does not need war rigs to keep shooting for that dmg fase. i use it for warlords and never reload it in dmg fases
With heir apparents fire rate, wouldn’t it cause a bunch of ignitions with the seasonal artifact? (I know he didn’t have any artifact mods for testing, just curious)
Dropped and Envious / Taget Lock last night and I'm happy thats all I need. When I switch to it for boss time its got 200+ rounds in the chamber.
I like the idea of that. Don't need a Titan chest piece for endless bullets!
What boss are you fighting where that's even worth using though? I feel like people just want this LMG to be good but it's outclassed by retrofit for dps and commemoration for ad clear
So glad to see hammerhead being meta now
I'm not sure what you do with your Avalanche Cross but I constantly out DPS Retrofit and Thunderlord with it. We're 1-phasing Legendary bosses in Onsaulght within a single tether and well, so I have no idea why your DPS is so low.
Also, you need to try these void weapons out with Gyflk, the extra damage from Volatile is a great little bump and the dodge gives you a full reload.
Heir apparent is my favourite gun in all of destiny it’s easily one of the most fun things to use in this game
Missing Circular logic with envious/target lock. Does work this season with the strand/origin trait artifact mods.
YOU SHOULD TRY EYES OF TOMORROW IN ONSLAUGHT ITS A BANGER CROSS!!!
At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what the DPS is for any of these guns because you don't use MG's for DPS anyway.
determanistic needs a catalist and it needs to reduce the shots to proc its effects by half, maybe also add on 4th tiems because man does it suck, doesnt matter about the debuffs it applys if they happen so infrequently that you mayaswell use a primary sidearm at max damage falloff range -.-
Idk how good it is but the trials one with cascade and auto loading holster, off swap to lucky pants malfeasance( I know it’s supposed to be machine gun only but the swap makes this I think at least A tier for machine gun dps) plus you can reproc cascade
all that work finally got the hand cannon from into the light i got say it's a beast good lord makes my other hand cannons look like small potatoes LOL
Aztercrooss, use rewind rounds and target lock. It should do more damage. Get target lock to 3x and you get 7k-8k per a shot from hammer head. It works very well.
Got envious assassin and target lock and its pretty nasty for boss damage. Highest ive got in the mag was like 170 ish but im sure you can get 200+ which would just be dank af.
I've got an envious + rewind shiny, sadly with surrounded and not Target Lock. Would've been so nice just to dump my entire reserves without needing to play on titan.
Frenzy or desperate measures would be another good role for the hammerhead
Xeno was a beast in onslaught
Hope we get to see the rewind rounds killing tally roll, drastically a better roll than rampage onslaught. Maybe not for templar testing but overall passively just far superior than anything else, again not for burst, but LMGs arent really burst dps weapons.
What was the titan chestpkate you were first using?
So target lock is better than Vorpal for boss damage?
Rampage killing tally is awsome I just shot three adds in the head one shot them then unload on the boss it's easy to proc
Cross, did you know sticky nades + deconstruct is basically fttc on an GL?
Cross you should have tested Song of Ir Yut
Reconstruction+Target Lock
Does a lot of damage
I have a rewind rounds killing tall roll, is that considered good?