Eric Weinstein: Vaccines, Ivermectin & Dark Horse
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- What does Eric Weinstein make of the current controversy around vaccines and Ivermectin, centred on the criticism of his brother Bret's podcast, the Dark Horse.
In the last days, Sam Harris and former guest Yuri Deigin have both been heavily critical of claims made by both Bret and his guests.
In this conversation with Rebel Wisdom's David Fuller, Eric talks through his concerns at what is going on, and what he thinks are the deeper currents of the problem, including a lack of effective leadership in dealing with the pandemic.
Films mentioned in this episode:
Eric Weinstein, Glitch in the Matrix 2: • Glitch in the Matrix I...
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For anyone else wondering what Eric meant by "shelling point", it's actually Schelling Point, a concept from Game Theory. "In game theory, a focal point (or Schelling point) is a solution that people tend to choose by default in the absence of communication."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal_point_(game_theory)
Thanks
@@FesteringGhoul It's always good to understand people's motivations & conflicts of interest...
But we are in a sesspool of corruption both in UK & US.
In a couple of years we will know...
Till then I thank RW for trying
Re Schelling point...Thanks.....I tried looking it up but couldn't get a clear and relevant explanation.
Festering Ghoul - excellent i mean incredible observation and well laid out. you have laid out precisely the root of all troubles in my life!
@@FesteringGhoul Very well elucidated. It is conspicuous and curious that Brett is perhaps being excluded from his own conversation in the name of “sense-making” on this channel, meanwhile he is as you say the most intellectually honest actor. Eric is supportive here, but at several points, I feel like Brett would interject with clarification to avoid a bit of straw-manning. It’s all very odd. I don’t know if this gets us closer to an answer wrt why open discourse regarding IVM is being suppressed and censored on/in SM/MSM/politics. Also, Sam is a disgrace, his limitations are on full display.
I saw Eric interview his brother about the story early in Bret’s career where he found an inconvenient truth about lab mice and naively trusted an Establishment figure to help him publish it. Eric was telling Bret to speak up for himself and put his ideas out there. Now Bret has taken that well-meant advice to heart and he’s responding to the non-science, moral vacuum and absent leadership around Covid and the vaccine. Eric wants to stick to game theory to preserve his long term credibility and that’s fine but without Bret and a few others like Robert Malone and Pierre Kory there would be no-one with any intellectual credibility holding up the other side of the argument in the face of extreme censorship and a huge psychological operation on the public mind. Eric can keep his powder dry if he likes but if there’s ever an opportunity for him to assume the leadership role he alludes to it will be because his brother helped to keep that possibility alive.
Great point!
Excellent deconstruction. Eric is playing it safe and there’s something cowardly about that.
Beautifully put.
@@playonwords55 Eric chooses his battlefields very carefully. Two Weinsteins on the Ivermectin battlefield would be like Caesar and Marc Antony both assuming command of the army at the same time.
Spot on I couldn’t put it better myself! This awakening is a spiritual one and mark my words…….Everybody is exactly where they are supposed to be.
Where is the discussion on treatment (early) to avoid hospitalization. What are the outpatient treatment protocols? What about those who have recovered? Why are vaccines being pushed on them? What about multiple drug therapies instead of just ivermectin. In the beginning when you have a week or 2 of cold like symptoms why not drugs to suppress viral replication? Then when your immune system overreacts and your lungs become fluid filled and you can't breath, why not suppression of the immune overactive response? Then when followed by blood clotting issues, why not a drug combo to keep,this from killing you? Instead, they tell you we cannot treat you, go home, unless you are in dire straits and nearing death.
Finally! Thank you. This is the discussion that has been mysteriously -- and tragically -- avoided. Frontline clinical information was available very early on and was provided to "the generals". Forces from both sides suffocated it. Or, were emotionally, intellectually blocked for some reason. History will ultimately shatter the confines of these so far narrow discussions.
The other unasked question is Who profits?
Look up Pierre Kory and the FLCCC. They have a comprehensive document with explicit protocol for both hospitalized patients and Outpatients. And then share it with everyone you care about.
@@bronyagorney2149 thank you Dr. for sharing your direct experience. Unfortunately many folks do not understand how such steroids work. I have heard similar to what you describe from the diabetes patients I have worked with.
Have you been able to utilize ivermectin with any of your patients or have your colleagues? Curious to know the observed outcomes there....
What a thoughtful comment. Thank you and thank you for being on the front lines.
Eric is super-articulate but skirts around every issue and leaves you wondering what his position is on anything.
Both these guys dance around the elephant in the room. This whole “sense-making” podcast is based upon that delicate dance.
Because public intellectuals talk in circles and dance to save their own skin from backlash.
Because there is no position to have. Eric admits he doesnt know the answers. The whole point he tried to push was that we often dont have the answers but we must act anyway. And we dont have the leaders that would admit that we dont have the answer, we have some good clues and we must fight and sacrifice. But we must be honest about why we do sacrifices. I am not american, my kids werent drafted to fight Hitler, but I can imagine the parents back in the day were told why their life was sacrificed for a greater good. Nowadays we are told to do something, being lied about what it might cost us, and if we defy we are ostracized.
@@Aston1sh Your reply sadly at 2 likes while Adam Smiths at 32. Well said anyway.
The "just asking questions" business model where he generates doubts where there isn't really any, is brilliant for someone like to him to get more subscribers.
Brett Weinstein is a true "general", his character was revealed to us during the Evergreen events and I trust him and admire him for standing up and fighting for what he truly believes in.
I see Brett talking to leading physicians, immunologists, vaccinologists, cardiologists, respiratory consultants etc…key people whose opinions are likely to be valuable in the effort to form as clear a picture as possible of the situation we find ourselves in. After careful deliberation he considers that ivermectin is a useful tool to have in the box and is concerned as to why it is being disallowed in any way into the arena, given that, to use Eric’s analogy, we are in a war. I think his own upstanding nature and the nature of his profession as an evolutionary biologist is driving his passion and relentless determination to do the very best job he can at uncovering the truth From my point of view Brett remains as meticulous and measured as ever, and this talk of ‘concern’ for him makes me feel uncomfortable.
And what happens if your view is wrong?
BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT BRETT TO GET KILLARIED
@@omram566 what happens if the vaccines have terrible unforeseen consequences? There are risk ethier way.
@@elijahhope4581 yes , what if. Except that ‘what if’ is a 1 in 100000 ‘what if’ . So definitely worth it
@@omram566 haha what a clownish question. Ivermectin has 25 years of safe use in humans. Remind me how much evidence of testing and safety exists for these "vaccines" that don't work? There isn't any. WAKE THE HELL UP.
"The dissenter is every human being who temporarily resigns from the herd and thinks for himself." ~Archibald MacLeish
@Scarsdale Vibe That cringe didn't sound human.
"The dissenter is every human being at those moments of his life when he resigns momentarily from the herd and thinks for himself" Archibald MacLeish
@@gwynneveireland I took it from a speech by Lewis Lapham. I prefer his edited version. ;)
@Scarsdale Vibe I do wonder what it might mean to "cringe" at the idea of thinking for yourself
@Scarsdale Vibe So... what is your point again?
This was the most high brow fence sitting ever heard.
That was succinct and I had a good chuckle. Thanks.
Great comment!
I don't disagree that we're facing nothing but bad options with uncertain outcomes
but is it worth talking about for an hour if you've nothing else to add?
@@chrisc7265 definitely agree. Eric got spooked last year and went silent. His bother decided to stick his neck out.
@@nicholasfevelo3041 that was my reaction from this video --- Eric sounds scared beneath the bravado. Stark contrast to a couple years back.
Eric is soooo full of himself. That doesn’t make him wrong, but it likely means he’s not a candidate to help fill the leadership void he speaks of.
I think he has wisdom too, but he is an intellectual force of nature and you need confidence, vision and hyper-assessment capabilities if you're going to be the wartime general. He can put ego aside, I'm sure, but he weilds it like a fierce weapon.
Let's not crab in a bucket him. Let him take a crack at being the people's champ. Lord knows we can't do worse than the current "leadership class"
The man is a coward.
@@CosmicRay111 How is he a coward?
Meanwhile this big brain and his brother stood by and did nothing. And watched this country fall. Now they want to cry about it
@@CosmicRay111 too reductive. I don't think we know what Eric is up to. I get the sense he has a plan not revealed to the public and has a part to play he's not fully explaining
All because we look to this man for some type of wisdom or educational insight does not mean we have lost our own capacity, free will or agency, if you don’t want to be treated like cattle then stop acting like cattle.
On this topic, Bret makes more sense than Eric.
i know Eric has been part of the "IDW" for some years now, but I never understand exactly what he adds to the group. 'I have many followers' he says himself in this video. What's his appeal? I see why Harris and Peterson have entered iconic status, and even Brett is somewhat of an interesting figure given his Evergeen story. But what battle(s) is Eric fighting specifically?
@@vic.1234 At this point Eric seems to be forever chasing ghosts. Just look through his Twitter where he is trying to make sense of the UFO thing... Not once does he seem to appreciate that saying nothing more than required is a strategy the DOD makes use of. So "we can't identify these because it's not worth our time" becomes "we can't identify these... Wink wink".
The world doesn't have time to give him the spotlight. He had his chance, he hid, he talked about his thesis using word salad then hid, he formally released his thesis and hid again. He may not be a snake oil salesman but his behavior is largely that of a snake oil salesman.
I say this as someone who listened through all of his podcasts and gained a significant amount of respect for him.. Which was quickly flushed down the toilet as hes just kind of flopped around for the last year.
This is the first I ever heard of either of them. Can someone point me directly to the podcast his brother did that caused a stir so that I can see it next and round out my understanding?
@@beautyintheeyeoflarissa5889 “rightfully fearfully rumored to cause infertility”? Not only has that not happened but there is no reasonable mechanism by which it could hypothetically happen.
@@Kandralla I'm asking how Eric gained the popularity he has. It's probably well deserved but I never followed the guy specifically. Guys like Harris and Peterson have had specific fields of interest through which they gained notoriety and drive millions of JRE views when they visit. What's Eric claim to fame exactly?
I can admit that I've been on the side of conspiracy. I'm also self-aware enough to know that I have holes in my own thinking on this. I believe that as we're all looking through our own perceptual framework, we have to get ourselves straight first. I've grown up with an autoimmune disease where I was at the hands of very well-meaning mainstream docs for the first part of my life. Of course nothing offered any 'cure' and instead left incredible side-effects that had to be dealt with. So I go into this pandemic with an already curated lens that says, "authorities, especially medical authorities, promise much more than what is delivered. That is something I have to deal with and get out of my own way. I do agree with Eric that our current public health authorities can't be trusted. So it comes down to getting very clear within oneself and - if we can continue to make our own decisions without force from our governments on the vaccine - feel into what would work for our own bodies. The days of "all for one and one for all" just doesn't make any sense to me. The thought of anyone having to put something into their bodies that really, deeply, does not feel right, is simply not right. I believe this issue is ushering us into a higher state of consciousness. Well played, Universe.
Well said, I have the exact same experience as you Ann. Many years of my life I've spent struggling with an autoimmune disease to which supposedly there was no cure - only expensive, prescription drugs for a lifetime. This is what the best expert on the subjects claimed. It gets even more hilarious when I realized that the actual cure to my problem can be found in natural plants that the authorities called dangerous drugs and then made illegal. So I just smile bitterly hearing all these announcements from our government about closing the parks and forest for our protection so that we won't get infected there, mandating wearing masks outside and all other recycled pseudo-scientific crap. ;)
@@panborsuk8671 Yes! I love the natural 'dangerous' plants too :-) They've been lifesavers for me!
Instinct - Trust it.
You don't need to know all the information to know the truth. Reputable logical people are being censored by big pharma. The truth does not mind being questioned. Period
I like Eric's point about how Covid can be both a serious disease and it can also be an overblown panic that is being used by people with questionable motives. Sometimes contradictory views can both be valid.
The way Bret was treated by his peers is despicable but not surprising. Sad times when a man can't search for the truth!
Yeah he cam search for the truth...but he made a mess of his search
@@warbler1984 he has made no such mess, in my opinion. You go too far. He has fumbled a bit perhaps, but as Eric says above, no less than the elected officials in legitimate leadership roles.
@@warbler1984 Who ever said the search for the truth isn't messy?
Eric is in no position to talk about the truth, with his past direct and personal dealings with Jeffrey Epstein, which after a spate of trying to cover his ass with special interviews, questions still remain unanswered. Rather, he will blind you with super symmetry, instead of revealing his hegelian dialectics around IVM.
@@cathalsurfs Could you please explain what Hegelian dialectics means? I know I can google but its better to get it from someone direct. If you don’t mind. And is he again IVM? I didn’t know that.
I love Eric’s work, and he is an incredibly brilliant man, but I wish he would tame his braggadocious attitude in conversations like this.
I agree. I haven't seen this side from Bret, who is the one I usually listen to, so I was bit surprised by his brother
Kim Eriksson Bret is FAR more humble than Eric. Nonetheless, I appreciate Eric’s work, but I’d like the see him check his own ego.
Totally concur. It switches people off.
Eric is a Scorpio and Bret is a Pisces, which explains some of their natural personal presentation.
I don't. It's who he is. He'd be far less if he pretended. I loved the moment where he said "just admit it" He's not being a dick, he values truth.
tbh, this conversation reminds me of many of the conversations i have with people that are in clear denial and a state of refusal to let themselves believe that the emperor has no clothes. sorry guys, he does not. this convo, like many of the ones coming from rebel, is bordering on incoherent. like some of the other commentors, i see them as just beating around the bush, trying to figure out reasons to believe that there's something more forgivable going on than the bizarre situation we find ourselves in, where we've put gigantic pharmaceutical-corporate entities in charge of saving the world; entities that may in fact have had everything to do with starting this crisis in the first place. at this point it's like bloody occam's razor duhness. these entities are corrupt, are making billions, don't want ivermectin, bret, malone or anything else to disrupt that flow of billions. the sooner we all admit it to ourselves the sooner we can begin to clean up the mess, if there is any chance of doing so.
Well-said. The pseudo-intellectualism, posturing, false modesty and silliness are off the charts. Boot lickers, masochists and conformists pretending to be cutting edge thinkers as they fall in line lock-step following their big Pharma and Government masters. The emperor has no clothes. That's why he beats around the bush. Want some actual explanation for this mass madness? I recommend this excellent video: th-cam.com/video/09maaUaRT4M/w-d-xo.html
Praise God I found someone who I can relate to. I’m 20 mins in to this dribble and I have to switch off!
Yup. I got bad vibes from this host some months ago. I don't trust him.
Well said.
39:15 - "I believe there is a lot of residual wisdom in institutions..." Yes, but the problem with the COVID pandemic is that the institutional wisdom was immediately thrown out. Nobody ever even considered locking down a whole society to battle a viral infection before. The established plan in every jurisdiction I'm aware of was to protect the vulnerable, make sure the supply chains remain intact, and cause as little disruption to the economy and society as possible. Neither the Swedish model nor the Great Barrington Declaration were innovative or risky; they were the institutional wisdom when dealing with a viral pandemic. If you believe in institutional wisdom, then you should have opposed the radical new experiment of taking away everyone's civil liberties holus bolus to deal with a virus that was known very early on to be a threat to only a small segment of the population.
Great comment. Annoyed I didn't at least think of it myself!
The whole point of this video is that there's unguided forces at play that explain what is going on rather than a global wide conspiracy, which, at this point, I couldn't disagree with more. At this point, that is a tired, pseudo intellectual point that doesn't explain how all this seems so coordinated, nor how we could predict as early as April 2020 things that would take place in September 2021 with 100% accuracy. Fact is, this IS a global takeover, it isn't the blind forces of social dynamics, which means Eric hasn't offered anything of substance to combat this current crisis.
THIS!
This is something Eric is missing. This unbalances his ex ante position bellow Bret’s
Agreed
I couldn’t click on this fast enough...
I am a 45 year old lifelong conservative. Politically and socially, they are very few things I agree with the Weinstein brothers about. But if I had to pick two people to lead this culture and country out of this grave threat to our very existence, I would pick them. Why would I pick them? Bc I trust them. I trust them to both be honest about what’s going on and about their own limitations. That’s so important these days when you have political figures and social media who have no business speaking on medical and pharmacological issues being perhaps the main source of information to people. It’s absurd.
When Eric said that we need war time generals to lead us, my initial thought went to battlefields and military uniforms. But the wars of 2021 aren’t fought on battlefields with weapons(yet). They are fought ideologically, socially, and morally within institutions, political establishments, social media, and universities. And the courage to walk into those institutions to fight this battle is just as impactful and consequential as it was in the 1940s when Allied powers fought against an existential threat to their entire way of life. This situation we find ourselves in in 2021 is just as grave, if not more so, as it was in 1941 when this country entered World War II.
You should understand that as a lifelong conservative, prior to the Evergreen incident, Bret and Eric would view you with absolute disdain. Their brand of "Liberalism" is what lead us to this crisis of competence (and/or malevolence) with the leadership class they so pretend to despise.
Not to mention, if it were up to them, or perhaps just Bret, he would have stopped the vaccine campaign and instead distributed an antiviral not at all proven to be effective as a prophylactic and even less so in comparison to the Covid vaccines currently available.
You probably don’t realize this because you like what they have to say on culture war issues but their failures would more than likely have led to needless death in this country on an unfathomable scale due to their unquenchable appetite for fame and notoriety.
@@dannnnydannnn5201 You see the latest data out of Israel? Over half the people catching COVID are vaccinated.
@@RK-yu7mp yes I have and what you didn’t take into account is that Israel is among the most vaccinated countries in the world and if I’m not mistaken they were the first country to reach such high percentages. Surely this factors into your equation no?
@@dannnnydannnn5201 It would if the vaccination rate was closer to 90 percent or more. But its at around 60. So with 40 percent still unvaccinated, its a major red flag that over half the people who’ve caught it are vaccinated.
As a healthcare worker since the 1990s and a public health professional for nearly a decade, I 💯 agree with Eric's comments on our institutions of public health and the general state of affairs. I am thoroughly disappointed and incredibly embarrassed at how this whole thing has been handled. It's atrocious and truly beyond comprehension.
It's amazing how a person can talk so much, but say so little.
Agree
It takes focus and attentiveness to follow him. His points are elusive and fractured FOR SURE.
Too funny ... I am still trying to figure out what they're talking about - maybe over my head:)
Was going to say the same thing
How certain are you that you understood him correctly?
"The public health community does not believe that truth is their primary goal".
Kind of all you need to know.
If you say “that is all you need to know” you can not possibly have heard what Eric said here. This is complicated. The whole point is that it is complicated.
And it's so evident that it's the case. Many of the current "leaders" are clearly egomaniacs with a reeking disdain for the average citizen. Result is the patronizing attitude they display. They clearly think the public can't handle the truth.
@@Badabinger Well, think about the fact, if what Robert Malone says it’s true and the vaccines make people more vulnerable to the virus, you’ll have millions of people that will want to see these people hanged.
@@alexandrustan2462 it doesn't matter if ADE is real they will and are blaming it on the unvaccinated. And since most vax didn't go through the thought process and just did what they were told, they will believe it's the unvaccinated.
@@haveaniceday7950 already happening. I am seeing more and more influential people here in my part of Europe completely ignoring statistics and data coming from nations like Israel, Britain, Iceland etc. and instead are hellbent on making the unvaxxed suffer for them not showing "solidarity" with the rest and taking the jab. We have doctors, academics and researchers being actively supressed and censored if they are criticial of the vax or even just have some valid concerns. Society is not based on reason and logic that much is clear, and the efficiency of the government to get the majority to do whatever they want is scary.
This is the best layout of the sensemaking landscape I've yet seen. David thank you for basically letting Eric go free-form on this - I strongly believe it was 100% the right call. He put into words what I believe millions of people are feeling but can't articulate.
His sensemaking probably probably failed on the most crucial subject though. According to Vanden Bossche, the vaccine-mediated immune escape mutants of SC2 will be more dangerous for vaccinees, as their vaccinal antibodies will outcompete their innate immune response - which would be able to effectively neutralise the new thread, instead of just binding to it. We will see soon.
As one of those millions you just articulated my perception very well.
@@johannakunze3300 I'm guessing Eric is probably a believer in Vanden Bossche's hypothesis, but is reluctant to say so. I've noticed that DarkHorse does not talk about Dr. Vanden Bossche nearly enough, considering that the podcast was where many of us first heard about him. Everything I do or see re: COVID is measured using Dr. VDB's yardstick.
I dont like this 'sensemaking' term! Its very exclusive. Some have sensemaking & others don't. Why have we adopted sensemaking, but seemingly discarded the pursuit of Truth.
They are not the same are they? Truth is just that! But 'sensemaking' sounds more like something you would have to do a 3 year old to help them understand a value system & about the world around them, surely this is not the same for a grown adult. I dont need or want someone making sense of things for me these days, there is so little sense out there, I want the Truth & then let me make my own decision. Seems to me that the only time problems arise, is when the Truth is hidden, & the sensemaking begins.
@@seanandginaadventures7511
Dunno. Truth and Sensemaking might differ in a few ways
(1) What makes sense is not always true - it makes sense to deduce that the Sun goes round the earth people managed just fine thinking this way for thousands of years. I'd imagine there are plenty who still do.
(2) Necessary Fictions
I'd say there *is* such a thing as a necessary fiction, in fact they may be essential/foundational. Heterodox "Thinkers" often expose these necessary fictions as fictions, and are hailed for their Revelation of "The Truth". The way I see it, problems arising may include
a) one fiction is replaced by another
or
b) by nothing at all, and if that Fiction is/was necessary that's a problem. From what I can tell this is (in part) the landscape which JBP wanders.
(3) The Truth is sometimes inaccessible (this may be temporary or permanent) but we may well still need to make sense of the world in order to operate in it.
I'd imagine there are other differences :-)
And, yes, it can sound patronising.
For a smart guy he sure said some naive stuff. I think Bret’s the critical thinker in the family.
So what he is saying is trust the people that are lying to you and just take the dam jab. He is a sellout and his James O'Keefe interview made that very clear.
Bret is just as naive about social justice. Because what happened at evergreen is not true social justice.
I think both of you are thinking too narrowly and drawing conclusions prematurely and, quite frankly, out of your current capacity.
Eric is not a sellout, he's thinking from far above and looking far off in the distance. His carefulness, viewed here merely/solely as trepidation, is warranted and necessary given his goals and concerns.
You hear "take the jab," but that isn't what he is saying. He is pointing out that you might need to take actions or draw conclusions that you aren't entirely comfortable with given the context. We all want the truth, but sometimes the truth is not available and sometimes the truth contradicts itself or is in conflict with other truths. Remember he said he wants you to work your ass off, not just to look to him for what to think.
I also disagree that somehow Bret is "wrong about social justice"
(whatever that is supposed to mean, as if he has a singular conclusion that he has illustrated for you)
or doesn't understand that what happened to him at Evergreen is not representative of the best aspects of what "social justice" can be or achieve. I think he is dealing in the real world and he knows first hand what some of this messaging can manifest when not properly parented.
For example, critical race theory is a tool. A tool can be used according to well developed instructions and produce an advantage, a benefit, or even just a measurement... or it can be used improperly to disastrous effect, and it can even be wielded as a weapon. Acknowledging the potential good use of a tool should not preclude the acknowledgement of it's dangers, and vice versa.
There is enough mainstream narrative singing the praises of what is currently regarded as "social justice" that it would seem reasonable for him to focus more on the potential perils.
@@Rineocerous A thinking man's assessment of the arguments. Nice to see.
critical thinking for the sake of it = Eric…
Meanwhile this big brain and his brother stood by and did nothing. And watched this country fall. Now they want to cry about it
I have been listening to E. Weinstein for some time with interest. From what I can see, though, is that if I were looking for guidance in picking the right persons for leadership positions, Eric would be about that last person I would consult.
Absolutely agree
Bang on dude,bang fucking on!
I'm actually relieved to know that these conversations are happening, I've been so concerned lately. Hopeful that conversations like these continue in order to help us commoners with our sense making in this new and complicated world.
Hear hear. We all need to be able to discuss anything and everything.
Sadly, conversations like these are rare and censored
The number of "commoners" who would sit thru this AND understand it is insignificant.
Brave "New" world?
I thought the best part was at the end where Eric says more clearly what he thinks is the best thing to do (get the vaccine), but recognizes that the fears his brother (and half the country) has are fears he also shares. He is weighing the risks, while at the same time Wondering if he has judged correctly. This is the place I have been in for a while. I can never get on board with the conspiracy stories, even though I am certain there is a little truth mixed in. I just can't group whole segments of people together and claim that they're all evil because I have never seen that in real life.
I am extremely concerned with the fact that Adrian Hill, for example, who directed the development of Astrazeneca, has lots of ties to the UK eugenics movement. It's not just lack of trust, there is some downright scary shit going on in the upper echelons
Whyyyyyyy? Hasn't everyone here made it clear that if you can't come to the conclusion that no one is trying to hurt you, then you're not thinking. Everyone knows the truth lies in the middle. Everyone knows the truth lies in the middle. Everyone knows the truth lies in the middle. Everyone knows the truth lies in the middle. Everyone knows the truth lies in the middle. Everyone knows the truth lies in the middle. Everyone knows the truth lies in the middle. Everyone knows the truth lies in the middle. Everyone knows the truth lies in the middle. Everyone knows the truth lies in the middle. Everyone knows the truth lies in the middle. Everyone knows the truth lies in the middle.
If true that is scary I'd agree but (and this is a genuine question), how likely is it that someone even of his level could influence the creation of a vaccine which is: effective against Covid-19, somewhat safe (so far) and somehow meets one of his eugenics' goals, all whilst under the watchful eye of the government, other specialists/ Oxford etc. and such a small time period?
@@samuelpoulston2964 watchful eye? 🤔
@@alharrison1038 It goes back to what Eric was saying about some wisdom still existing in the mechanisms of institutions, rather than those who run them, I suppose.
@@samuelpoulston2964 can you clarify? He said it, but how does it apply to what I said (which was tongue in cheek)? He seems unwilling to say what seems obvious at this point: the vaccines are not safe, they are not effective, and some times the most extreme explanation is the correct one- that they intend to harm us, possibly just for research, or possibly for another end goal. Gatekeepers, acceptable dialogue, and partial truths all seem to apply to this episode.
I know he’s not naïve so I’m not sure why he’s speaking as though these “leaders” simply want the benevolent outcome. His trust in the motives of the leadership is almost childlike. As if they aren’t behaving with their own alternate and nefarious agenda. Is that lost on him?
Someone gets it
Well he’s not leadership material that’s for sure.
"Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.” - That's Pat Buchanan being remarkably honest for a change.
TOPICS: New Eric: check. Ivermectin: check. Vaccines: check. Tech censorship: check. Government incompetence: check. Sign me up!
Wasteman: check
no mention of timothy nguyen in this vid?
LFG!
Meanwhile this big brain and his brother stood by and did nothing. Watched this country fall. Now they want to cry about it
“We have Peacetime careerists where we need Wartime Generals”
We need everyone to read FDA § 360bbb-3 and § 312.320 then think how they can influence recent events. Then we can pick Wartime Generals wisely.
Perfectly articulated.
Protectors of residual wisdom of institutions.
This statement applies 100% to the climate issue too
They're *our* peacetime careerists. Take responsibility folks. This is not someone else's fault.
I’m glad Eric admitted that he’s not anti-establishment, only anti-this-establishment. I had long suspected this.
Hard to respect anyone on the sidelines with what's happening right now
But he says that with every election.
44:50 I again don´t get the argument of Ivermectin having little data and the vaccine somehow being such a data-rich subject.
The vaccines have well designed, very large studies showing high efficacy against COVID19 (at least on the short term).
Ivermectin studies are significantly smaller, many are observational, dosing varies, measurements don’t align, etc.
While there is a long history of ivermectin safety (in certain doses) there is little conclusive pointing to effective against COVID19 specifically. More data is needed to gauge the effect (if any) on COVID-19.
It is a red herring to distract you form the elephant in the room of who and why they paid for gain of function research.
@@risadoobie but the risk was small enough to go ahead and use widely much earlier. Orange man bad TDS killed a lot of people....
@@risadoobie I'd take it if I got sick in a heartbeat
SO WHERE ARE THEY?! People can only say “there’s not enough data” during a PANDEMIC for so long until I start wondering why something so promising in ivermectin isn’t studied to the degree everyone who questions it wants it to be. The vaccine is being held at a lower standard than a drug that’s been around and used en masse for 40 years? Oh wait that’s right if ivermectin is determined to work like it looks like it does by whatever nebulous authority you defer to, the emergency use goes out the window for the non-fda approved “vaccine”. Not to mention the fact you’d have to give people with covid placebos in ivermectin trials which seems insane during A PANDEMIC. If you can “warp-speed” a vaccine you should be able to do the same with a Nobel prize winning 40 year old drug that has extraordinarily low side-effects.
Both Weinstein’s have been ‘weining’ about YT monetisation of late. But at least Bret is actually standing up for something.
Eric and David make me realise how many serious people are out there in the world doing serious work. Very inspiring.
is this sarcasm
@@susugam3004 I truly hope so
@@sinatra222 why so?
And many more in leading positions in the world doing serious harm
@@epictetus9221 low-intelligence people employ cynicism to appear insightful
A lot of this interview consists of Eric rambling on about his Bona fides while not providing concrete examples of lines of agreement and disagreement with Brett. Perhaps this is because Brett has buttressed his stance with scientific findings and not with intellectual gobbledygook.
mmmm. he also compliments the interviewer a few times at the start, and it smacks of clever narcissistic tactics. something about this feels disingenuous.
So insufferable isn’t it?!
@@iamisaid2295 ... espacially if it doesn't ring true, which it doesn't, given the drama that has already ensued.
I like Eric in generally, but I can't shake the feeling he's really full of himself. Being really smart can sometimes be a downfall. You can talk yourself into just about anything with enough intellectualizing.
Maybe he lacks empathy. Really smart people usually do and they consider that being intelligent.
True, but someone's gotta do it
All of these guys are pompous asses. They're all lovers of self. Otherwise, they would leave the academy and do real stuff.
Too much tip-toeing. Brett manages to address both sides while still weighing in, and when needed crying "Bunk!"
He most likely is full of himself. He’s interesting to listen to nonetheless.
36:00 Eric I disagree strongly that there is a "Public Health Campaign". Public Control Campaign perhaps.
Eric's blunders on the topic of covid are total pizdets. But in other respects he is very intelligent guy. Some mathematicians are just going crazy, they don't see or interpret numbers and magnitudes, just driveling over their ideas. Not all of them, fortunately.
@@aSfuLk Eric is not some ivory tower math-head. He is very, very savvy, otherwise he wouldn't be working for Peter 'Paypal' Thiel.
100% how is it "health" advice to tell us to mask up and stay indoors? not one mention of Vit D, sunshine and quitting smoking/drinking/junk food.
I like and respect Eric. This discussion illustrated his point of not expecting leaders, or "celebrities", to have easy answers to every question.
Eric has gaps. Everyone has gaps. There are many legitimate experts that have first-hand knowledge of the effectiveness of Ivermectin and other drugs in the treatment of covid. Brett has spoken with some of those experts, and came away with grave concerns about how the "pandemic" is being handled, and what the motivations are of various government, media, and pharmaceutical leaders.
I think Brett is asking the right questions.
Agreed, and at the end of this we may find that Bret was also incorrect or operating from gaps in his understanding that he didn't recognize. Glad David and Rebel Wisdom had Eric on to give their viewers more food for thought on this complicated issue.
i know Eric has been part of the "IDW" for some years now, but I never understand exactly what he adds to the group. 'I have many followers' he says himself in this video. What's his appeal? I see why Harris and Peterson have entered iconic status, and even Brett is somewhat of an interesting figure given his Evergeen story. But what battle(s) is Eric fighting specifically?
@@vic.1234 Apart from having a different specialty than the other members of the group?
@@DDeCicco I'm asking how Eric gained the popularity he has. It's probably well deserved but I never followed the guy specifically. Guys like Harris and Peterson have had specific fields of interest through which they gained notoriety and drive millions of JRE views when they visit. What's Eric claim to fame exactly?
@@vic.1234 I know he's worked for Peter Thiel for a number of years so he would be in the orbit of the silicon valley guys. Don't recall precisely what helped him rise to prominence online though.
The issue is that many people still don't realize how dangerous institutional capture by corporations is. It is much more dangerous than any one disease can be.
The part about the Ivermectin conversation that gets lost is the immediate need for a therapeutic for the large portion of the world who do not have access to vaccines. In the have part of the world we are having an academic debate about vaccines versus Ivermectin while people in the have not part of the world are dying.
The Prophet
Eric came as close to convincing me to get a "Covid vaccine" as anyone could. If he were in Fauci's chair, it might have been enough.
Eric doesn’t need to be in that chair. You’re already there. Go get your shot. It’s ok to be smart. Live and let live. Literally.
Imagine not be well read enough on the topic a year plus into the pandemic and still looking for the right influencer to finalize your decision 🤔 Get it or don't, but based on evidence, not authority or emotional resonance with Weinstein Bros.
@@alireid5874 My intention was to compliment Eric. I have no intention of taking a vaccine. But if someone were to press me, I'd simply ask, "Why?" I think Eric's angle is the best I've heard, though I consider it a hypothetical.
@@jacobcochrane9069 Respect. I love Eric's sense making. Actually quite a bit more than Brett's, though he's no slouch.
he didn't say anything convincing on that topic, imo. In fact, these "vaccines" have FAR less testing and evidence of safety and efficacy than Ivermectin which he clearly stated the opposite - and he should know better if he ever talks with his bro.
He seems to be spin doctoring at least a significant portion of the time here. Why so concerned about being right?
Yes, sometimes just cannot answer a simple question, simply....
It’s worth keeping in mind Eric has autism and he’s a little more emotional than what you may be used to. Eric won’t give you clear answers most of the time. That’s not why i watch him. He gives me motivation to research things from a new angle.
@@ymwo97679 I do understand this,but most folks do not know why he can be tiresome at times....
he's a wannabe politician/bureaucrat. needs to maintain "credibility" at all costs so his ascension plan can succeed.
Ivermectin has a decades old record. Eric chose a company he doesn’t trust for an experimental therapy because it was the lesser of three evil choices. Hummmm. Bret wins in the common sense department.
Science isn’t common sense, it’s based on facts. The makers of ivermectin say it shows no data as a treatment, Kory was asked for his data for analysis and refused to hand over anything, in science, we cannot prove or disprove if you make a claim but don’t hand over data for analysis. You may as well say you’re getting phone calls from aliens but refuse to give credible proof to the event.
@@xylemrays671 same for masks.
@@xylemrays671 there is no single 'maker' of ivermectin, its off patent, there is 'a' maker, and one of the makers said something about it not yet being approved for covid, but why would they? There is zero money in an off patent drug that a thousand other companies can also make for pennies a dose.. The person who discovered ivermectin actually believes it has good efficacy in fighting covid.
@@xylemrays671 Check out the latest Ivermectin meta-analysis.
@@xylemrays671 Rationalizing at best. Doctors have always relied on evidential experience in the face of imminent death. If it works, save the patient. The gene therapy on the other hand, has neither experience nor tested science on its side.
My instinct tells me this is a brother doing his part to help his brother who might've spoken an unspeakable truth. Their own prisoners dilemma.
"Sam has a residual feeling that the system works."
The average American with a GED know that be a LIE...
@@tenetgg I've never read that. Such a silly expectation.
@@Clifton100 It is probably just emergency use authorization conditions which how the vaccines came to be.
The smartest dogs are the easiest to train.
That said, people with GEDs are never going to have much trust for any system, regardless of how well it works for everyone else, because they either won't understand how it works...or realize that it doesn't have much use for them.
@@TristanPinnock "Everything's alright with somebody."
David Mamet
Depends on what your baseline is. For the immigrants who fled violence and crime and poverty in Central America reveille and embrace their, say, first cars tricking them up and living Hollywood memes. For the old guy who’s job got shipped overseas decades ago all his options have run out and joining the PTSD vet at the homeless camp, and turning anti-everything in frustration. For instance. All is moot before the climate catastrophe, but our leadership has abandoned us, and even stim our fight responses at each other, while they dig their underground arcs.
Hope and techno-fixes are so-o-o XXth. Only courage moves forward now.
Nice, I have been wanting to hear Erics take, although it is clear from his twitter but always more context in a conversation. Thanks for doing this!
Eric didn’t begin to explain why he thought it worthwhile to take a vaccine that he simultaneously admitted is not without risk.
He seemed to swallow the line that the benefits outweigh the risk….but didn’t describe the benefits.
It doesn’t stop infection or transmission.
One’s immune system can do all the the vaccine purports to do, & probably better.
Plus, he's like a smaht guy. Can't question that.
What data do you have that supports this? Vaccines help, we have over 100 years of data which supports that. What do you have which goes against that?
@@devilsadvocate7389 Simply that the mRNA vaccine is not a vaccine as you are conflating here. A traditional vaccine takes a weakened bit of the viral strain and uses that to build antibody response, in your immune system. The COVID mRNA vaccines are a first in that it's got no weakened corona virus proteins in it at all, it is instead edited to elicit an antibody response in a unique way. In short, this does not compare to any previous working vaccines like that of the successful Polio, Small Pox, vaccines that actually vaccinate you against deadly viruses. You cannot conflate traditional vaccines contained weakened versions of the viral particle/proteins with this entirely brand new mRNA serum that attempts to elicit immune response in the body without using the actual strain.
@@zach5708 please stop embarrassing yourself.
@@devilsadvocate7389 Dear, are you living under a rock. That vaccine was the first one to use DNA in it. It was experimental. It was a mRNA vaccine.
I enjoy Eric in conversation, to a point. From the start I haven't been able to shake the vibe that everything he says, even the seemingly authentic stuff, is delivered with a "holier than thou New England academic" undercurrent. I wonder his opinion on the idea that explaining a topic simply is a sign of true expertise. I like my geniuses with less fluff, if I can be picky
I am much more concerned about those trying to silence information
"I don't even think platform is a verb." -- Thank you Eric Weinstein.
Except for the fact that It is very clearly a verb when used in certain contexts. It’s a newer use of the word, but valid nonetheless.
@@facesmelt9903 Take it up with Mr. Weinstein. These are quite clearly his words, not mine.
@@Lulubelle.III. he's taking it up with anyone who might be considering the argument and also reading TH-cam comments :)
@@pseudonymous8702 the argument was put forward in response to a joke..Eric knows the word is a verb, he was trying to be funny not trigger an argument. Ita not even a new verb, shoes in Venice were platformed in the 15th century
Wow. Eric brings a clarity to this situation that is sorely needed... Unfortunately it's not a convenient or comfortable clarity, but it's appreciated nonetheless.
Having worked in medicine and dealt directly with 1000s of patients. There are 2 types of patients those that want information and those that don't. Both types are not served properly being forced into one or the other types. It is far too dangerous especially in the current system to disallow the former.
Whenever I see a headline showing "Eric Weinstein", I click. I disagee with him on some, but I heavily agree on many.
oh why dont you marry him then?
Yes, good to see Eric slowly awaken to the conspiracies and soon he will realize that the disinfo to marginalize conspiracy was the main true conspiracy. How many conspiracies must he uncover before he realizes their validity and their nature.
@@666goats I haven't heard that one since kindergarten.
Hes been awake to the concussions for a while the trick is navigating such a rocky landscape.
Great claims require great evidence and the evidence is pulling up
@@colinvaliton6392 Praying that it keeps piling up faster & faster; no time to waste.
Still no interview with Bret and Heather themselves?
Chris Harper because he doesn’t want youtube to strike his channel
"The most prudent and effective method of dealing with the world around us is to assume that it is a complete fiction" - JG Ballard, 1974
"You'll notice that I almost always wear a jacket because I'm the establishment in waiting not the rebels in the trees calling themselves freedom fighters." What an unbearable egotist.
Yes, an unbearable egotist who seems to be taunting the host of the show.
@@ArtieTurner yes! And props to the host for having the self-control and lack of ego to keep things going.
He really can be so utterly obnoxious and/or tone deaf.
Like using his time on Rogan to talk about his academic career, congratulating and martyring himself, and mostly alluding to his grand idea. Took him multiple episodes to even begin to explain it. Seemed he was just loving the attention.
What I hear this time is, "I think the best thing for me is fuck you money."
So don't expect this guy to do anything useful.
@@ArtieTurner I have heard him say this on a number of shows...lol
EW: “I expect my audience to work their asses off.”
Audience: “...shit!”
Na, people need to figure things out on their own not just follow people . Studying reality is not easy, but no study, no learn
@@ethimself5064 exactly right!
Me on the couch with a mouthful of chips "OK Eric..Will do!"
@@christinalaw3375 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@christinalaw3375 not many people aren't trying then, that's good
I love your show, but I really dislike what you've been doing where you preview the interview at the beginning of the video. I'd rather not see chunks of the interview I'm about to watch, it's a waste of time and also a weirdly out of context spoiler. I don't like it when traditional TV programs do it, but I like it even less when it's done on youtube. The whole "coming up on Mythbusters" vibe is very old-media and designed to keep you watching through the commercials. Have faith in your content. You don't need teasers.
I don't mind it if it is just a 10-second clip. This was inordinately long and contrived.
Yeah I’ve gotten into the habit of skipping the beginning highlights on a lot of TH-cam videos. I think TH-camrs started doing this to prove that the title is not clickbait, but I agree, DONT SPOIL IT!!! Hahaha
@@GriffinPearson Did it also feel like there was editing which left out the raw material too, to you?
Thanks for the feedback. Unfortunately only around 20% of people watch to the end of any video, so that's why we put some of the most important sections up top. There's also some pretty important context for people who haven't been following the story. Perhaps we can put a timecode for when the interview proper starts, for anyone who wants to skip the intro
@@RebelWisdom You also risk alienating people like me. The only reason I stomach through the otherwise painful associations I get as I feel I will be sold some "controversial" bite size clips is because I know you are trying to enhance the message rather than distort.
But I don't think it's working; I agree with @neuralsimulation , I think it's a mistake. What we need right now is someone willing to put up more or less un edited content which where you know the hands are off the steering wheel and you can make your own judgement of the conversation, rather then someone pushing parts of it in your face.
This way, you show a certain level of respect to the viewers, and I think over time that'll be beneficial because it's an honest signal.
I dunno what the customs are, but 20% watching everything seems pretty good for a ~1 hour video; people have complicated lives, maybe they watch parts here and there - and in discussions people have otherwise the important parts will come out and be clarified.
Perhaps the greatest difficulty with extremely clever people is that the confidence it engenders sometimes discourages any curiosity about our own biases.
Wanting "FU" money is disqualifying to lead the establishment in a way that already having it isn't.
It's hard to get much of true value out of Eric when he is in testy form. You did your best, thanks.
Testy form?
Eric Weinstein: "Hold on. I'm gonna stop you right there. Let me help you understand 'testy form' correctly. It's not about getting true value out of me. It's about getting value out of institutions run by rent-seeking careerists."
Principled Uncertainty: "Um, okay then... Maybe I'll check if LockPickingLawyer has a new video out."
@@deeantler1350 Lockpickinglawyer?: You went with that?
I would love to understand the mind that created that link.
@@flor.7797 Eric and Bret, whose content I have gorged myself on, have floundered when faced with serious criticism.
@@PrincipledUncertainty Ahahaha. I figure Eric Weinstein and the LPL each occupy fairly obscure and slightly nerdy areas of the TH-cam universe compared to heavy hitters like PewDiePie. The IDW might even find some moments of Zen over at the LPL's channel. Keeps me happy, at least. Cheers, mate!
This interview was just ok. You need to follow up and not let Eric give extended lectures, if this is to be an actual interview/discussion. It was more of a one sided RANT and he avoided the questions and rambled off topic.
OK is being generous. Eric's rambling rant is so self-indulgent.
What was the question?
Agreed.
Was most disappointed. He seemed to avoid the most crucial points whilst repeatedly praising his own position - too much, in the circumstances.
@@marionhoe1367 You guys really missed the message here. The way you guys are hearing this is similar to some who hates Hates Trump so much they couldn’t recognize if he actually did something good. Yes Eric rambles, yes Eric doesn’t answer every question directly. So what. Try to see what he did say, that was so profound and needing to be said.
Jack, what hard position did he actually land on?
Wow, that was good. Makes me realize how long it’s been since I heard any talk from the center. So refreshing & hope-inspiring
Where can we find ivermectin if our doctors won’t prescribe it?
What is so difficult about the words like: experimental, not tested , not FDA approved, understand?
24:51 It is not lack of leadership that we're experiencing this. It is intentional malficence.
It's the blind leading the blind.
It is interesting how no one here wants to discuss the gain of function research. It is all a red herring. It is more Kay Fabe.
Why is it with Ivermectin that people can't seem to see that the time to do serious studies was a year ago and that now time is getting short. I think that even Eric misses this
There are serious studies in progress.
Eric does not have the testicular fortitude to go up against the establishment that Bret has.
Wow, pure sophistry. EW has a real talent for cleverly saying nothing. When the chips are down, he clowned. As they say in Texas, only two things in the middle of the road, yellow lines and dead armadillos.
Thank you! I’ve read the thread of comments looking for people who actually listened to the podcast and didn’t just jump reflexively at his cheap sound bytes.
so you weren’t listening
@@Dadecorban Were you?
@@philosopher2king When Yoda is asked by Luke what is in the cave, Yoda responds, “Only what you take with you.” It's the same with our biases and previously held beliefs. It's hard to listen without searching for confirmation.
@@Dadecorban Indeed.
is it true that if Ivermectin works as well as claimed, that it invalidates the emergency use clauses for the vax?
I think that would be true normally, but not according to the contracts as written by Pfizer et al.
That is how I understand it.
Yes.
However the bigger question should be why a previously over the counter drug was basically blocked for use.
Where I live they removed all stocks from pharmacies and changed the status from over the counter to prescription only and made sure not a single script was written.
All about the waxing.
Where I live in the Netherlands, doctors get fined €150,000.00 if they prescibe it. Yes, really.
@@alaia-awakened Elitest oligarchies in America, EU, Russia, China and Australia trying to facilitate 1984 and A Brave New World!
Using that revolver analogy near the end was the stupidest thing I've heard him say in some time, and I like the guy....what a stupid thing to say,.assuming it was comparing to Brett exposing/discussing ivermectin, when there is now TONNES of credible real time data and studies on the drug!
Eric demonstrated such cautiousness that it was almost caustic. Take a stand man. Being wishy-washy cannot help you, it can only hurt you. People want clarity. Bret and Heather are the champions of bringing clarity to the Sars-Cov-2 issue. I have total respect for them. If Bret and Heather are proven correct, the ramifications are stunning both on a medical perspective but also a governmental/bureaucracy perspective. Personally, I think they are right where no one else even dares to venture. I have been a follower of their podcast from the beginning along with Chris Martenson would also deserves much credit. Wake up Eric. We do not need cautious followers we need brave leadership in the intellectual space.
“We don’t have a culture of adult communication with the public.” BINGO!
Which begs the question: did we ever? Eric likes soundbites but has no substance behind them.
At least Brett makes some sense........
Eric is good at expressing concern and suggesting things like meetings to iron things out.....
@@anonymissed3611 He seems a bit insufferable.....
@@charlotteruse8718 True. Here he exhibits more humility than usual.
"Bret is thinking out loud in a room so quiet you could hear a pin drop."
This is one of the most coherent, rational, and compassionate discussions of Covid-19 that I have heard. Thank you, from an old, Christian anarchist registered nurse, working in pediatric home health… not on the front lines but still working. I appreciate your nuanced wisdom.
As Bret would say, "welcome to complex systems"!!!!!
~ 14:30 Here Eric is being honest about something that irritates me about him and Jordan and a few others, including increasingly Joe Rogan, and that's their tendency to over-calculate what they say and how they say it with the understandable motivation of strategizing amidst a confused public sense-making apparatus and manipulative/deceptive media - they want to remain a "valid voice" on the stage. When you look at the quote about the importance of being as "Wise as serpents and innocent as doves" - think about how difficult that actually is - I see them leaning into the "wise as serpents" side for their own personal protection and using the rationalization that it will "keep me in the game" for that long-term win. I think Bret doesn't do that - of all of the IDW crowd he seems to me to calculate cynically for his own status/protection the least and likely surpasses Dr. Peterson in the honesty of his speech.
Brett wants to be first in the line of dissenters in history to claim the prize.
He may have some truths.
He likes being in the spotlight. I mistrust that
@@69birdboy He told you all of that, or are you reading his mind?
Calculating for one's own protection is not "cynical", mind you. Especially if you're a parent.
@@tmcleanful it's called drawing an opinion based on prior experience of a person.
I saw him saying he was irked by another academic garnering acclaim for " his" findings on the Wuhan lab leak. Thought this was about truth.
He's shit himself now his platform on TH-cam has been taken down.
He's also a very bad communicator.
Pompous academic waffle.
Heather is by far a better speaker.
I'm glad he's doing some much needed dissent but it's done with a vainglorious, shit eating attitude..just let heather talk
@@epictetus9221 I disagree. A nation of parents compromising because they're worried about the short-term or even long-term consequences of dissent for themselves AND their family is the key behavior that enables the development of an oppressive, fascist, totalitarian state. I understand the instinct - there are plenty of instincts we've learned to overcome. This is one we should overcome.
Erics a bright guy. But can you imagine having to be around him for more than an hour.
Nothx
Eric Weinstein: "Hold on. I'm gonna stop you right there. You are not imagining being around me for an hour correctly."
Indeed, Eris is an intelligent man, but unlike his brother and Heather, he comes across as superior and a know it all. But he knows a hell of a lot more than I do.
You should try it. May light your mind up.
@@kenwoodbury1888 you just need to listen to him more. His speech is like music, just enjoy it until you understand it.
Spot on
What's important about this conversation is that it puts front and centre two questions. (1). Who controls our public squares? (2) How do we deal with the crisis of trust in institutions and democratic decline in Western societies? This has to be primary, and the particular claims made by Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying are secondary. This should be agreeable to all parties concerned, including those who think that the DHP content on vaccines has been grossly irresponsible. And yet, this emphasis is starkly absent from most discussion of the controversy. It's as though we suspended all laws inside supermarkets, except for erratic, non transparent interventions by the supermarket owners - and in the face of the ensuing chaos all we could talk about it the individual responsibility of citizens and how they conducted themselves inside the supermarket.
Eric should stop joking around so much, you've got to be serious sometimes
Perhaps Eric should factor in front line physicians on board with Ivermectin at great personal risk.
Somehow Erick managed not to say much in the course of an hour. He repeats himself and this episode could be 10 minutes long.
That's his schtick. He says absolutely nothing in the most loquacious way possible.
Agreed. But, at least he didn't roam about someone else's terrain and pretend expertise where he has none. That demonstrates more intellectual integrity than most public figures can muster.
So basically, Eric is scared to speak up clearly because he's scared to ruin his income and reputation? Okay cool, didn't need an hour for this.
Why are people so prone to assign intentions and judging others? Is it so hard to hold ambiguity in your minds without judging?
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@@22424 He literally said it. He said that he's kept quiet because it'd effect his bottom line if he gets bans. I'm not judging the entireity of who he is, i'm just passing comment on something he said.
Because he legitimately doesn't know the answers.
@@Jaikay1 You are judging. Instead of listening and feel his struggles you went to the place he is too scared. Would he be vulnerable and talking about it at all if he is scared? He has to juggle the pieces. Things are often not black and white and he is allowed to have conflicts and struggles. Maybe he didn't speak clearly because he is not clear yet. Is it that allowed? I can wish for him to take a stronger stand but no one owes it to me. He doesn't owe it to you either.
The vast leadership vacuum was exactly what Bret Weinstein was attempting to address with his Unity 2020 presidential campain project. Patriots with balls and backbone are needed.
I sincerely hope we haven't seen the end of that.
That was a complete waste of time, and nothing but a last minute effort to clear his conscience.
Are they working on it for 2024. No. Case and point
The wealth of sensemaking the Weinsteins engage inclusive of objective language moves toward human potential. These are important discussiona and there are many, many of us who were in leadership positions that have been rendered irrelevant by the regressive efforts of those placed in positions of stagnation. Thank you for these discussions.
I generally value the heterodox thinking that Eric provides, but this was an unforced error by him at the time and it has not aged well at all (either as a brother or an intellectual). He captures himself as an audience frequently but remains unaware of it and he still seems like he wants to virtue signal and is looking for validation for some past slight or weakness.
He will manifest his purported values and be a better light for others to do the same if he would get over himself. Brett undoubtedly benefited from seeing and compensating for these weaknesses of his brother.
Happy to see this, thank you Rebel Wisdom team and Eric Weinstein for posting this conversation.
5:46 With all due respect to this very accomplished man Mr. Weinstein , every time I try and listen to him he immediately strikes me negatively . I take offense to his continuous presumption that he’s just right about all of these things he spews out as though they are simple truths that one would not question. He comes off as intellectually arrogant which bothers me. This whole “people who question the main stream with a negative for anything that they say are also being completely controlled by the main stream” I don’t know if I agree with that ? It’s very debatable. This is an example of what I’m talking about, he just starts spewing out these really deep ,important points as though they’re just true but they’re all debatable, they aren’t just simply true.
Example: How is it that this big ,all knowing ,main stream ,government, doctors, institutions, corporations we’re completely wrong about the cholesterol issue? If they’re so right about everything ? and beyond reproach? by all of us simple cattle, how could they possibly have made a mistake That cost millions of peoples lives by having them eating margarine and vegetable oils causing heart attacks ? all of this huge machinery was completely wrong about this?
Science, government and business
Have become so intertwined and corrupt that none of us can tell what’s true and what’s not.
I digress, I wish Mr. Weinstein would be a more cautious and humble with his casual pronouncements of the obvious.
100% agree
I agree, and I hope to see the day when both Eric and Bret get down on both knees and apologize to the people that were kicked out of Academia ahead of them, while they remained silent. Captains Hindsight. They need to learn that Institutions needed to be protected, and that ideologies that reject freedom can be denied access.
Or that 25% of the population should be on psych meds etc…
Good post, check out the Decoding the Guru's Podcast. Weinstein is featured there.... a lot.
@@JeffreySchwinghammer Is that the DTG TH-cam channel?
Right when I needed something to wrap my mind around. Rebel Wisdom never fails to deliver right on time. Right on 🤙
The last bit from Eric: please if you have never heard someone say this.... gave me chills. It didnt help my existential dilemmas though. The wilderness of modernity is getting increasingly heavy on my heart.
Eric decided to take the poke from people he doesnt trust because he trusts the institutions. I have decided not to take the poke from the people I don't trust because I dont trust the institutions.
Thanks for your sensemaking, Eric. I appreciate your voice in this dark forest at this strange and uncertain time. Respect.
@@1just2confused3 I must be missing something here with what he said. Institutions are run by people. If a person doesn’t trust the people, how can you trust the institution? The only thing remaining to possibly trust would be the process, assuming it isn’t circumvented by the people you don’t trust.
I don't know if he is right that this is merely a problem of absence of leadership and perverse incentives. But it doesn't matter for my life decisions. Every single measure taken by the complex system able to authoritatively make decisions for the whole world has made the pandemic worse. Lack of trust doesn't even begin to cover what I'm feeling.
30:00 cf. “choice-supportive bias.”
Arguably a better choice would have been to study the available treatment and preventative medicines available and compare that to the vaccine and make an informed choice between the options. By saying he didn’t know about the “I” medicine when he got the jab, he’s demonstrating that he didn’t make an informed choice, he was relying on the data from people and institutions he has explicitly said he doesn’t trust to tell the truth. That’s not showing “leadership” or “being a good citizen in them of war,” that’s low-quality decision-making by someone who was scared. No amount of rhetoric can obscure can that.
@BobWidlefish
Well said Bob, I completely agree! Poor decision-making by someone who should've known much better!
Once again Eric spends an entire hour saying absolutely nothing. What has he ever done?
Get 'em Dillon!
This couldn't have came at a better time. Excited to watch this.
This is why I like Brett's sense making more than his older brother's. Eric's argument sounds cowardly my ears. To sum it up: I know I'm being lied to by people who should not be in power but I'm going to do what they say anyway because institutional wisdom. Nope, nope, nope. I'll keep being a black sheep and seek truth outside the gated narrative thank you very much.
Eric is seeking truth - he's just saying that after weighing the info from all sides he made the call that he thought best and it just happened to be on the side of the establishment. his whole point is that it's not sufficient to just be anti-establishment. if you are pro-truth you will find it sometimes on the establishment side and others on the anti-establishment side and others on neither side.
Eric has his foot in both worlds unfortunately, I feel he is torn.
the medical tyranny highlights the problem of utilitarian ethics vs deontological ethics. utilitarian ethics is the chosen philosophy of every movie villain ever. to make an unspeakable moral transgression for an *imagined* greater good. problem is the utilitarian calculus is always an abstract projection susceptible to confirmation bias. when you stray from a deontological ethic of foundational moral rules, you begin to corrupt the moral foundation. 1 moral exception for the imagined greater good turns into 2, then 20, and so on. Before you know it, violating the moral rule is the default decision as long as you can imagine something good coming from it.
Deontology entails deciding on the moral valence before learning of the consequences of implementing that moral value.
Wow powerful. I felt this was too short of an episode to cover all that was said. Would need a part 2 and maybe 3.
"Bret is thinking out loud."
"Bret doesn't understand he's a celebrity".
Yep.
i know Eric has been part of the "IDW" for some years now, but I never understand exactly what he adds to the group. 'I have many followers' he says himself in this video. What's his appeal? I see why Harris and Peterson have entered iconic status, and even Brett is somewhat of an interesting figure given his Evergeen story. But what battle(s) is Eric fighting specifically?
Bret isn't even thinking out loud though. He's making large claims. He's going on the biggest podcast in the world with an "emergency" podcast.
Bret is trying to make a living as an entertainer. The podcast is Bret's sole source of income as he has stated on Twitter.
Eric already appears to be in the top 1% for net worth separate from his podcast.
It takes Eric 20 minutes to say nothing
This is great. Makes me feel more comfortable about my own approach which is - PLEASE let me figure this out. Please pursuade me with leadership. Please don't talk about force and don't lie. Just be a straight shooter.
I feel bad for Bret and Heather because no matter how much they bring up facts and alternative examples of things like treatments, there's always this underlying vibe that they haven't left Evergreen. They're still trapped in that trauma and it reads through on every podcast.
They're fighting when they should keep talking.
I got the vaccine yesterday. I listened to Bret on Joe Rogan. Then I tried asking Bret a question on Twitter. I rarely use Twitter and maybe did not ask the question correctly. I got no answer. Then I posted the question in a comment on Bret's Dark Horse podcast. I got no response. I got the impression that perhaps only people who are 'patrons' (sp?) can ask questions. As a result of this experience I decided perhaps I should not weigh Bret's opinion as highly as I had been doing and decided to just go get the vaccine. I am in Florida where a record number of daily cases was set just last week. Bret might be correct about everything. I do not know.