War Thunder F-86F-2 | F-86 vs Mig-19 Spam
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- Ammo:
-20mm: Default
Convergence: 400m
Manual Engine Control settings:
1440p!
My most interesting F2 match while I was researching the F100. Stay fast and alert and Migs will struggle to hit you.
A key thing to remember is that subsonic performance decreases with altitude while supersonic performance increases with altitude. The smallest performance gap is at low altitude, so as a subsonic you want to bring the fight lower. The clouds at 2km probably helped keep the fight low in this match.
What can outnumbered Mig19s do?
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Maneuvering Energy Retention spreadsheet:
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Link to the Discord of my squadron:
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What kind of thumbnail do you prefer?
Screenshot of the actual video.
No HUD screenshot taken from the replay.
@@AdamTheEnginerd the second one for sure :)
This one.
second one 100%
MiG 17s & MiG 19s: Enjoying the scenery
Adam: *Good Afternoon*
Lmao.
That last Mig-19: see all the subsonic American jets overhead
"Guess I'll die" *crashes plane*
Lmao yeah most likely its last thoughts.
Manual Engine Control Settings:
*1440p*
Lmao advanced MEC ;).
I can confirm it increases the performance way too much.
The only time I go afk like that is if I have to really pee from drinking too much beer and I passed out in the bathroom.
Lol oddly specific.
@@AdamTheEnginerd I had to give that guy an excuse because saying he was on tinder wouldnt be good enough
Holy shit noice thumbnail!
My production team thanks you!
Is production team literally Adam late night on his pc working on the video instead of his assignments? 😉
Anyways, my poor Tas got shafted by heavy repair costs. But man the H1 is addictive to play. Btw any video/tips on how to take on spits in a relatively slower plane with high roll rates? I'm struggling against later spits in a rolly polly fighter. I decimate them in 109s but 190s/152..im not that confident
Haha I don't possess the skills to make that kind of thumbnail.
H1 vs Spits you mean?
@@AdamTheEnginerd H1 vs spits, please!
You are faster than the 5.7 Spitfires at sea level. I wouldn't dogfight them, but use combat and takeoff flaps when you're forced to dogfight.
That thumbnail is beautiful! MiG-17 anytime soon?
It's on my list, but I did a lot of jets in December-January so prob not any time soon.
That thumbnail is nuts
Haha I agree!
I love spraying 50 cals from sabre on extending migs. I dont think its feasible due to ammo count with F2 though
Yeah can't really spray.
Adam i dare you to play in this tier with the g91 r/1😁
Lol that doesn't sound fun.
OMG, you Landed without dying. What a positieve change :))))))))))
Lol I usually don't die when landing.
@@AdamTheEnginerd
You sure about that???
Adam, thanks for encouraging more min fuel sabre gameplay. Just more free kills for the rest of us who took enough fuel to last the match.
My KD won't pad itself
Where's the encouragement?
@@thekspguy4421 you said 'if you're carrying'. Shouldn't you always assume to be carrying the team though with the current meta? The advantages of a min fuel sabre do not outweigh the main disadvantage, ESPECIALLY with supersonics now in game.
Min fuel is enjoyable on maps like Korea due to its small size.
stop copying me adam! lol
Haha if it works...
Adam can you open a custom server where you teach people how to aim good? We would all of that! Especially Green! (But also me cuz I suck!)
Haha how do you teach aim in a custom server? I can teach pain.
After intercepting 2 mig 19s and getting an ace: Gotta pretend i have bad aim.
Well i dont think they are falling for it.
Nice vid as always
Haha thanks!
Why is the F-86F-2 and Mig-17 facing the supersonic jets it’s unbalanced
They do sufficiently well against F100 and Mig19. T2 should probably be at 10.3.
Adam514 it would be cancer to face an t2 good gameplay btw
Thanks!
Just wanted to say I love the way you do your vids. No bullshit and just pure information.
Thanks for the feedback, glad you like them!
The F86 F2 cannons are the best in the game. Change my mind.
I'd say the Mig19 30mm if we're just comparing guns.
lmao we all know the po2 has the best armament for a plane in game
@@n1hilanth314 im pretty sure it does have a jet kill to its name making it the only biplane with such a title but dont quote me there
F-100D's M39s. Comparable to the F2's guns but with double the ammo. The Mig-19's NR-30s are great but the ammo count is horrible.
@@colin.k6263 it was a maneuver kill on an f94
So you actually fight with a team, that does survive and is not completely brain dead... Well, since I had 10 games in a row where the team died within 7min of the game start, I would not say, that this is an accurate representation of how to deal with the Mig19 spam. Any competent Mig19 would just let you squirm on the deck and run out of fuel, since it is almost universal, that F86 always carries 8min of fuel....
Nice kills but does not show any tactic how to deal with enemy supersonics...
Eh it's much more often the supersonics that run out of fuel and get strafed.
This is the match where I saw the most Mig19s, and it wasn't mixed. It was clear to see that the F86 can't keep up with its accel, but can catch it with a smart dive. I think the footage showed a few examples of Mig19 encounters, and way more than I've had in other F86 matches in any case.
I also talk about how it's better to stay low against supersonics. Perhaps I'll do a performance video showing that.
@@AdamTheEnginerd Well, playing low is a nice sentiment. But as it only functions when the enemy makes a mistake, it is not a good approach tbh. Same reason why I dismiss the argument:"It turns better, it is better" (Not saying you use it)
Again, not sure what kind of games you play but most of the time, I just end up in a situation, that we have 2-3 subsonics getting dunked on by Mig19s with more fuel, because my 8min F86 cant land and repair, because AAA does not work at this Tier. And if the answer will be "git gud", I will lose my shit, because of course, you can influence your stupid teammates dying in a headon or due to general incompetence.
@@AdamTheEnginerd And yes, you detect a "substantial" frustration with the fact that somehow, Russians always have the allowed technology knife edge.. (T80U anybody?)
Turn is one big metric to say what is better, along with speed and climb.
I get many different matches. Do you really run out of fuel in most games? You should be loading 20 min then.
@@AdamTheEnginerd Its interesting that you are not commenting on the fact, that Mig19s can choose, when they engage, while everybody else is reactionary to them... Interesting that it does not bother more people
oh you are so awesome :D
Thanks!
we should ban Adam..... since he makes the game look so easy and encourages new players to buy premium jets thus making the matchmaking messed up. but its just a theory....a game theory 🤙
Lmao I don't think there are that many new players watching my vids though.
9,9k! almost there!
Almost famous!
Do you use vertical targeting? It's been months since I play air battles and going back is always a shock, learning how to aim again
Nope I don't use VT.
"mostly subsonic vs 50% subsonic"
I don't think this is how math works
What do you mean?
Our team is mostly subsonic while the enemy team is half-half.
we're not just talking about any math, we're talking about gaijin math
How do you get those stats in the upper left corner?thrust ,power deg,etc?
It's called the "local host".
How to access the "local host":
You need to be running War Thunder or it won't work!
Option 1: on the same computer that is running WT:
-Type localhost:8111/ in the address bar and press enter and voila.
Option 2 (which also works on the computer that runs WT):
-Type Your_IP_Address:8111/ where you replace "Your_IP_Address" by your IP Address (192.168.X.XXX) in the address bar and press enter and voila, you can look at the characteristics on another device while flying.
adam i have a question .u can prevent fuel tank explode with less fuel?
Depends. You will stop burning when there's no fuel.
Kinda what causes fires are the fuel gas inside the tank and oxygen, so if you don't have a full tank you can catch fire. But as Adam said if you get empty the fire will likely cease.
I'm not sure how Gaijin models fuel tanks, maybe carrying less fuel will completely empty some of the fuel tanks on the plane, that would prevent fires
Can you make a video playing the Meteor?
It's on my list!
not a fan of the outromusic ;)
You aren't a 9 year old?
@@AdamTheEnginerd or maybe he's just Indian
hey, where can i get that mod or whatever that you have on the upper left corner?
It's called the "local host".
How to access the "local host":
You need to be running War Thunder or it won't work!
Option 1: on the same computer that is running WT:
-Type localhost:8111/ in the address bar and press enter and voila.
Option 2 (which also works on the computer that runs WT):
-Type Your_IP_Address:8111/ where you replace "Your_IP_Address" by your IP Address (192.168.X.XXX) in the address bar and press enter and voila, you can look at the characteristics on another device while flying.
do mutsubishi t2 next
Lol you're making a request prior to its introduction?
Adam514 yes, he’s pre-ordering a video from you lol
I also want a cool thumbnail as a pre-order bonus!
Remember, no pre-orders.
Why do you spam the "attack enemy" and "I'm attacking this enemy" so much, it's quite annoying to listen to nevermind play with during a match
I call targets that I'm going for so that we don't all go for the same one which is inefficient.
Now you could add the J-35 Draken to the mix. It would be appropriate, as the planes were contemporaries. IRL, the J-35 first flew in 1953, and entered service in 1955, well before the F-4, and MiG-21, about the same time as the F-100.
Looks funky atm haha.
Did you know sputnik_8a91 and semyorka(mig19 player) are popular warthunder streamer?
Expected very tough battle but finished it very easy. Impressive fight
Nope I did not.
Hey Adam, did you noticed that Gaijin raised american early jets and some props repair costs? The B29 that was last week 39k sl is now 41k, while the Tu 4 (which is a 8.0) is 31k!
The P80 (which is the jet im playing right now) got raised from 12k to 14k. The problem is: most of the players at 7.0 are still getting used to jet battle stuff, such as aiming, studying enemy planes and getting discipline with reduced ammo load and time to aim, which is my example. We still dont have that skill to make our early jets battles flow relaxing, so its common for us to accidentaly crash our planes on the ground or on an enemy plane. The frustating part is that they only raised the P80 costs, because the F84, Sabres and the Supersabre (even if they were raised too, its still ok the cost). But why only raise this way the P80? The Mig 9 is costing something around 7k and 10k, I dont remember...
B29 players are now, more than ever, sentenced to bankruptcy...
Why only American planes? Why not also German and Soviet jets?
I don't look or care about repair costs.
Perhaps it's to reduce the overcrowding in US queues.
How do you make F-2 look formidable against 10.0 Russian jets? I always end up getting blacked out and dying lol. Also, does gun convergence matter on nose mounted guns?
Haha I'm not that good in the F2 compared to props though. You need slightly better crew, patience, and strategy. Look at what the enemy is doing and what your teammates are doing, and position yourself appropriately to capitalize on distracted enemies.
Convergence still changes where the reticle is on the screen, and that matters for close up shots.
Can u make a Spitfire Mk14 vs Ta152H MER video?
I did a video on the LF Mk IX vs Ta152H. LF Mk IX has slightly better MER than Mk14 at low altitude at least, and Ta152H beats them both. You can look at my spreadsheet in the description.
@@AdamTheEnginerd ahh...i see thanks
Do you play against bots? Something they do not even resist. You don't even really attack, at 3:30 the enemy just flew past, although he could easily swoop down, why show such a record where you bot with noobies?
No lol, I play against average pilots. What I usually show on TH-cam is in fact my team getting recked by their team, and me carrying.
At 3:30 I don't see what you mean.
These accurate small bursts tho
Ye boi.
Adam what are your thoughts on the Do 335 B-2? I'm currently using the Me 410 B-6/R3 and am wondering how they would compare in terms of characteristics.
It's for tank RB so lots of pulling up to avoid crashing into the ground haha.
Do335 is fine for bomber hunting, but that's not what I do. It's better than Me410 though. 410 is prob better in tank RB though, top speed isn't very useful.
Ok thanks Adam, shame the Germans didn't decide that they needed more mk 103s in a plane.
Those stats you give at the top are badass. Ima follow you now for that lmao
Haha thanks, welcome!
wow I thought I was good at playing jets, thanks for showing me what the next level is like.
Haha there's room for a level above me.
Hey Adam I just wanted to say I love your vids and I hope to catch you in the skies one day so I can be finessed and utterly destroyed
Thanks!
Haha even if we are on the same team?
"Mostly sub sonics vs 50% supersonics" that math doesn't add up dog
Haha how? You aren't the first person to say that either.
My team: mostly subsonics
Enemy team: 50% supersonics
Where is the issue?
Well, most of the kills were done over an already engaged enemy! Nevertheless, I like your videos for their best visual impact. No bs, good reason and you can see not only How but Why as well. Bravo, Adam.
Yeah that's the reality of jet matches.
Thanks!
It's always kind of funny when a plane loses the game by crashing on landing. Gotta learn those basic flight skills.
Freak accidents happen to the best of us ;).
Sorry mate but if anyone can make it work it's you. Fly out the Hunter F1 stock please
Haha I feel like the Hunter struggles in the new meta.
it's sad when you're the sabre a5 of the game
Lmao indeed.
@@AdamTheEnginerd yes, it is quite unfair
Takes a gd pilot to fly mig bis correctly it's those damn 86guns op
They are good yes.
Looked like a teammate tried to kill you on the runway. Typical for war thunder.
Really? Didn't notice.
can you another vid on the k4 as it got its br nerfed this patch
It's on my list!
You should make a vid on the german mig 15
Haha Russian Mig15 isn't enough?
No we need germany mig 15:)))))
What side is Japan on usually in this matchup?
They aren't usually in supersonic matches, I don't know.
@@AdamTheEnginerd But they will be very soon. That is why i am asking
Your aim is insane mate. Great video!
Thanks mate!
Stop changing camera angles every 3 seconds. Horrible video.
Hahaha sorry, it's how I play.
Made myself a head tracking thing with 3 regular LED's i had from some toys, stamped some tape over them to difuse the light, brought the web cam contrast to 0 so it doesn't see anything but the LED's. i got the facetracknoIR for 2 bucks, bought a 10 bucks stick, and never went back to any game mode than sim. Its amazing ! Amazing I say ! And it only took me 10-20 minutes to set up and build the head track LED's. You should all try it.
Yeah I know someone who did something similar.
Sim is tough on my eyes though.
Yeah, it is hard to spot things and so on, but radars are comming in the next patch ! First jets, and then I think ww2 planes in the following patches will have radars.
Ayo this game was so different then, im sad I didn't catch it like this I joined a week before the C phantom came
Oof yeah very different.
You still answer comments lmao
@@lambsaucy69 Of course.
@@AdamTheEnginerd sheesh
@@AdamTheEnginerd hey what about u make a video about the f2 sabre cuz the t-2 is 9.7,and harriers, and mig 21s holy shit. I just realized it gets very power crept
Too bad I fucking suck and will never be good with jets
Lol well you'll improve with time.
I think you already start practicing for incoming mig 19s spam. I call it, the cl 13 2.0...
Lol yeah there's gonna be massive spam.
I remember when the f2 was by far the worst jet. Times change.
Huh I must have not been in jets at that time.
How do you get that little info box you have, with the TAS, IAS and everything?
It's called the "local host".
How to access the "local host":
You need to be running War Thunder or it won't work!
Option 1: on the same computer that is running WT:
-Type localhost:8111/ in the address bar and press enter and voila.
Option 2 (which also works on the computer that runs WT):
-Type Your_IP_Address:8111/ where you replace "Your_IP_Address" by your IP Address (192.168.X.XXX) in the address bar and press enter and voila, you can look at the characteristics on another device while flying.
@@AdamTheEnginerd Thanks! Is there a way to get it overlayed in-game like yours? Or is that an edited effect for your videos?
Love your videos! What is your name on STEAM it would be really nice if we could play some rounds War Thunder :D
Same name as on here, but your best bet is to join the Discord.
Adam514 can you send the discord link please
It's in the description of my videos.
could you do a take 2 of this against the current match maker... it's like vs MiG-21's & stuff... pretty cancerous
Wouldn't that be a max uptier for the F86?
@@AdamTheEnginerd nah 9.7... MiG-21F-13 & F-100D's
for the 86F-2 specifically it's a 9.0 to .7 uptier
it certainly been a while since i saw the normandy air battles map
Now that I think about it, me too.
Hey! This might be a little late but i have gotten the venom and have played 30 or 40 games in it and have a pretty shitty kd... I was wondering if you had any tips to help me get better :)
Not for that jet, I don't think I've even flown it. I recommend checking out DEFYN (another TH-camr), he reviews jets.
@@AdamTheEnginerd thanks for the reply :) I will be sure to check him out thanks!
well done,keep up the good job Adam
Thanks, I will!
Hey man! Nice Vid. How does one get a hud with the TAS and AoA information?
Thanks!
It's called the "local host".
How to access the "local host":
You need to be running War Thunder or it won't work!
Option 1: on the same computer that is running WT:
-Type localhost:8111/ in the address bar and press enter and voila.
Option 2 (which also works on the computer that runs WT):
-Type Your_IP_Address:8111/ where you replace "Your_IP_Address" by your IP Address (192.168.X.XXX) in the address bar and press enter and voila, you can look at the characteristics on another device while flying.
adam, do you uninstall the booster of saber?
Nope, but was stock here.
Hey Adam, IK u probably get asked this question all the time but how do I get the bar with all the info?
It's called the "local host".
How to access the "local host":
You need to be running War Thunder or it won't work!
Option 1: on the same computer that is running WT:
-Type localhost:8111/ in the address bar and press enter and voila.
Option 2 (which also works on the computer that runs WT):
-Type Your_IP_Address:8111/ where you replace "Your_IP_Address" by your IP Address (192.168.X.XXX) in the address bar and press enter and voila, you can look at the characteristics on another device while flying.
@@AdamTheEnginerd Thank You! o7 ))
Do you have the "New boosters" upgrade installed? Or did you remove it?
'cause That thing causes my wings rip off
Even I tried with the minimum fuel (7min) and still ripping my wings.
I don't think I had them researched yet. Need to be careful when rolling and turning with boosters indeed.
@@AdamTheEnginerd uggh, with that installed, I can not longer do my crazy moves at high speed
You can uninstall them if you like.
F2 is a nightmare for the MiG 19PT
Yeah, trash rudder.
Adam514 yup all the cancerous rolls and asspulling energy. Most of my kills on Sabre’s in my MiG 19 came from just energy trapping and afk’ers. So much easier for me to kill a F100
Can the f86 with mgs be played the same?
Yup.
Nice vid. Where did you find the instant thrust value ? It's quite useful to understand an aticraft
Thanks!
It's called the "local host".
How to access the "local host":
You need to be running War Thunder or it won't work!
Option 1: on the same computer that is running WT:
-Type localhost:8111/ in the address bar and press enter and voila.
Option 2 (which also works on the computer that runs WT):
-Type Your_IP_Address:8111/ where you replace "Your_IP_Address" by your IP Address (192.168.X.XXX) in the address bar and press enter and voila, you can look at the characteristics on another device while flying.
Adam514 thank you very much !
As a Mig player, i always say that the F2 guns...are sooooooooo ez to aim...getting shots like that with 23..37 and 30mm (russian ones ofc) is impossible 6:45
Not impossible, but certainly qay harder.
He just meant "gay harder" :P
@@WigglyWings lelz
Is Adam this good or am I completely terrible? I’ve been playing on Xbox for a year and can’t even hit the computer il2’s with these guns. Yes mouse aim
Practice and patience! Also watch my videos and see what I do.
I watch every vid bud- I guess we all fall short of the pro. Thanks for all the great videos man, I’ve learned so much
My pleasure!
Do217 vs P61c maybe?
Haha dogfight?
@@AdamTheEnginerd yes i want to see it happen
that landing made me not want to play WT ever again...the fact that its possible
You're not feeling the drift?
@@AdamTheEnginerd not really so much in a mig
Adam, do you use boosters on the Sabres?
I don't have them unlocked, so no.
How long did you wait for jet RB?
It's usually not too bad at the time I played this (December).
Oi Adam
He 162 A2 Is now decent/good at 6.3 (as you said before).
The only problem are the b29s (because they keep space climbing).
And jet games at 7.0/7.3 (for balance is ok for me).
A lot of running thought.
Haven't found it so fun to play back when it was 6.7
Now is a joy to fly and relaxing.
Yeah it's fine at 6.3 BR. I haven't had issue with spaceclimbing B29s though, yet.
lol i remember this match, im Skellenator, did legit nothing that match, just flew back and forth while u killed everything lol
Lol everyone has a use! Except bombers.
Adam, more jets gameplay please 👍 and ofc pretty nice thumbnail
Eh I did a lot of top tier jets in the recent past, I showed the main ones already.
What's the point of having 7 min of fuel if you can have like 20
Turn and accelerate better with less fuel, you are also less likely to rip in maneuvers with less fuel.
@@AdamTheEnginerd deja vu
I just came back to WT after a 3 week brake.
Gets my ass kicked by a g91 inside a g91 lmao
Haha fitting!
@@AdamTheEnginerd To add insult to injury, I had an injured left thumb. But your videos motivate me to play like a pro. I hope I will be like you one day...
@@ynwafanmrks1817 You have an excuse then.
Awesome gameplay and great flying, nice kills on the 4th and 5th, can't wait till next week
Thanks!
Friday is the best day of the week eh?
Yup! Friday is my favorite day
Attempt No.3 - Kikka!!!
It's on my team!
Spam thunder
Didn't know you could jet
Also wyvern plz
Tried Wyvern recently, its engine temperature got nerfed. You can't abuse WEP anymore, because if you do eventually you can't even go over 80% THR without instantly getting flashing red temperatures. It's pretty challenging now.
@@AdamTheEnginerd that sucks
It was too good for 5.0 back when it was faster, better engine thermals and Hispanos weren't that much worse than everything else.
I wish you would come back but I understand life happens so have a great rest of your day Mr Adam the enginerd.
Hey Adam. Would you mind flying out the F2h?. See it as a Challenge ;)
Haha sorry I doubt I'll fly that at 8.0.
Adam514 why not ? you scared to get clubbed ? what can Adam514 do ?
Not much indeed.
Grate vid but sadly it’s soon going to be the mig 19 spam sins it’s going to have a lead indicator. Grate fucking job war thunder you just made air rb at top tear more cancer then it already is
Would love to see you play the Hunter and show us how it's done, I only have a stock one and even with 5 min fuel its not exactly viable.
That probably won't happen any time soon haha, Hunter doesn't seem very good these days.
@@AdamTheEnginerd When one of the better pilots out there even acknowledges how non-competitive the late UK tech tree is, just sort of says a'lot.
Supersonic UK when?
@@AdamTheEnginerd Gaijin: BuT tHe hUnTeR cAn AlReAdY gO sUpErSoNiC
We should play together sometime.
Best bet is to join the Discord!
Why don't you extend airbrake to slow down .it's more effective than cutting throttle
It's visible to the enemy, and cutting throttle saves fuel.
@@AdamTheEnginerd yeah I was about to say it saves the fuel. But it's almost invisible to me. Whenever enemy in front of me extends airbrake, I ram him from behind before I realize what's happening
You can see it if you don't focus on aiming and shooting.
@@武田信玄-n8s You the MVP Lol.
Zero throttling is a bad idea in jets. Reduce to 30% at most, but going all the way to zero introduces throttle lag, as you can see with your thrust meter. Airbrakes still more effective. Just don't leave the barn doors open forever, you get too slow and mig is going to own you.
Adam can you open a custom server where you teach people how to aim good? We would all of that! Especially Green! (But also me cuz I suck!)
Haha how do you teach aim though?
try to play the stock Mystere IIC against mig 19 and cl13 ))))
Lol I'm not close to getting French jets.
@@AdamTheEnginerd well good luck lol
Hey adam thanks to you im two planes away of getting this f2, im a ps4 user and even i cant believe it. Im able to get this far with the help of you. Thankk youu so muchh and keep up the great work sirr!!💫🔥🙌🏻
Thanks for the praise! I will!
Why is it when i fly every single player on the enemy team is a god and i usually dont even get a kill, but when i watch other people flying the kills are always so easy. Like they want you to kill them but no matter what i do i always get killed
Edit: typo
It does seem that way.
6:18 I don't think I've ever paid attention to base AA shooting an enemy plane, but I must say, the amount of fire being sent up is impressive.
Yeah noticed that too, I think they are more visible because of the clouds.
how to do gradual turning?
Move your cursor just ahead of the aircraft instead of far in front, you'll turn slower.
You are probably the best shot that I have seen in this game. One question: do you have your boosters turned off?
Thanks!
I didn't have boosters researched, so I didn't have them.
Yak-30?
I have no idea how to use it, i need this
It's on my list! I'm no Yak30 expert though.
@@AdamTheEnginerd YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
Do you plan on flying the G91-YS?
One day I suppose.
@@AdamTheEnginerd cheers! thanks for answering