⏱️ Timestamps by TimeSkip ⏱️ 00:00:00 - Introduction to TYT Discussion 00:03:03 - Criticism of TYT's Approach 00:06:12 - Navigating Right-Wing Engagements 00:09:45 - Class as a Unifying Force 00:11:36 - Defining Political Labels 00:19:43 - Addressing the Trans Issue 00:22:00 - Trans Rights and Constitutional Equality 00:23:30 - Electoral Strategy and Policy Positions 00:24:20 - Progressive Ideals and Political Identity 00:35:10 - Disagreement in Political Discourse 00:37:10 - Audience Capture and Political Dynamics 00:39:30 - Right-Wing Reactions and Leftist Unity 00:40:13 - Responding to Personal Attacks 00:40:58 - Closing Thoughts and Gratitude
Cenk, I love you bro but I have to push back…. You announced your 3 rules recently one being when we disagree we fight…. Why not accept the invite to majority report? You guys need to come together
Why....Both Sam and Emma have lost so much credebility concerning good faith arguments, so they can only bring on guests that are a part of their choir
Charlie Kirk made Cenk look like a fool. Cenk had praise for right wing grifters and nothing but criticism for the left and center dems. I am past done with this grift.
TYT has not meaningfully engaged with the criticisms raised. They bluster and they strawman, but they never actually properly engage with the criticism. I have lost faith in Cenk and Ana. I see them (Ana, in particular) being nicer to right wingers (who are genuinely dangerous) than they are to left wingers with whom they might have small differences. Cenk wants disagreement, just not with left-wingers who disagree with him. I see Cenk deciding that right wingers can be allies because they might have identified some of the same problems as the left wing, while ignoring that the ways the right wing wants to address those problems and the reasons they feel those problems need to be addressed will cause harm to us all. If a guy wanting to get home finds the bridge over the river is down and meets a second guy who wants to get across the river to burn the first guy's house down, they can both agree that the bridge being down is a problem, but the first guy happily working with the second to repair the bridge is probably not the way to go. If TYT wants to prove they are good faith they should probably debate and discuss with their critics. If you are willing to debate Tim Pool and Glen Beck, you can talk to Sam Seder and other left-wingers who are critical of your approach.
Yeah, I think this is my issue, too. It's us on the left that have smaller disagreements and are being told we're the downfall of the party and need to be called something else who are being pushed out/not tolerated.
@@jamespearson7871 their characteristion of the left is ridiculous. If people with the perspective crime doesn't exist in America exist in the wild I'll eat my shoe.
@@Carnival_wilson191 I think Sam Seder is part of the issue. I hear what you are saying but Sam Seder thinks he is holier than thou!! If you don’t agree with him while you are just not as committed and need to step away.
@@hellanicefella9820except that's not how it is. Sam has usually debated with people who were just plain wrong. Sam just made it clearer. In this case, it just looks like Cenk isn't as secure in his argument as Sam is. Why not?
@hellanicefella9820 lol that's so funny that you think Sam is holier than thou, but Cenk is not? Also, if you have disagreements, you should be able to defend your position. Cenk doesn't want to do that. He prefers softball interviews where he has more control of the narrative.
Yeah, Jordan is trying, but he doesn't have enough to combat Cenk's gishgallop, obfuscation, dodges & pivots. But even more-so, this channel does a disservice by ignoring, and failing to educate, on the international & historical contexts of politics. If the viewers/voters knew the truth, then they would know that Cenk is a RWer, whether or not he is willing, or smart enough to admit it.
@@matthewingerson This is a silly take, if you think Cenk is right win then you are so lost in the sauce that you are politically irrelevant. The issue with the left has always been this purity testing and race to "out-left" each other. Just because Cenk doesn't agree with you on like 2% of the issues doesn't make him RW. if Cenk is RW then 99.9% of this country is fascist because they are much more to the right of Cenk
They have both stood their ground and they haven't had a conversation with either Cenk or Ana since. They can't and won't do it. Both J and F work for them but they won't sell out, hence Cenk and Ana going to the most extreme right wingers to kiss up.
As a European, it's always interesting to see how some Americans think of "radical" as your regular socialdemocrat in my Continent. Cenk, come to Europe, and touch some grass. You will see with your own eyes, how much of a sellout you are. Some causes are baseline policies for any first world country.
To be a sellout you would need to gain something. Cenk has not personally gained anything by doing this. If anything he is losing subscribers by the day and he has not pumped the breaks at all. Usually grifters adjust their rhetoric once they see its losing them money. Cenk hasnt done that
I turn to TYT because I want to hear different perspectives. I can't even stand thinking about watching some of the right wing ppl. TYT gives interviews and goes on right-wing media outlets, and I'm 💯 for it. It helps me understand " the other side" perspective. It's not about changing your own opinions. It's about understanding other's opinions and why they feel the way they do. It's an opportunity to open dialog, share facts, and possibly get them to see the other sides' opinions, too.
You are not getting the nuanced opinions you think you're getting here. Widen your horizons- there are plenty of other more reputable news sources that offer different perspectives without the subtle propaganda tyt has been lacing all their stories with. Democracy NOW, the Majority Report, Secular Talk and Krystal, Kyle and Friends, Breaking Points (hell i cant stand Sagar but Krystal never fails to defend the left points against his right wing), the David Pakman Show, Luke Beasley's recent project with some wild right winger does an excellent job of addressing the most outrageous right wing beliefs without sacrifice his own principles.. I believe it's called the Grudge. SO MUCH out there if you want to see real, non-spin/staged debates than what this channel has to offer now sadly. Tyt used to be great, but they sold out, sorry!
@@asterrisk36 Try Democracy at Work for wisdom, both Economic Update and Capital'ism Hits Home -- skip Luke B until he gets older&wiser. If you see this suggestion, maybe throw a lil response so I know I"m not being SB'd. :)
The only people that talk about it anymore are Republicans. 💯 The Fox News website has 2 stories about trans people right now. 💯 It's all they talk about on right-wing radio, it's crazy...💯💯💯
People are not idiots. People understand the differences between peoples positions. I think the issue is what you choose to get worked up about and where you spend your energy. When you start heavily highlighting issues that don't really affect a lot of people and then picking fights with people who are mostly on your side but take a slightly softer approach to people who are the opps. People starts to question which side are you on.
It's like hard tackling your team mate in practice to break their leg and in the game you barely put in a challenge on the on the opponent. More Anna than Cenk but it's most def there.
@@connorevery5451 they were Biden no matter what for a long time….don’t trust them. At least TYT has been honest even if it’s not what we’ve wanted to hear.
Softball interview. Until you have the "stones" to have this conversation with Seder, Mondale, Dixon, Emma, or someone who will REALLY challenge you, don't waste our time brother.
What is there to debate ? We have plenty of examples of trans women going into female sports and dominating. Sam Seder is a far leftist with zero nuanced opinions. He’ll just say that trans women should be allowed to go into any female spaces because it’s right and everyone who disagrees is a Nazi. Like it or not when it comes to sports or bathrooms the overwhelming majority of the country is against it.
I've been following TYT since 2007 and I must say that throughout all these years Cenk has been very consistent in keeping his eyes on the prize. I agree with him from a strategic standpoint even though I'm to the left of him on many issues (probably because of being scandinavian). I don't believe that TYT is right wing, on the contrary I believe that Cenk is where the centre left of the US should be. His position on most issues will resonate with some working class voters that voted for Trump in hope of a more affordable America.
exactly, both sides have forgot how to appeal to the other to bring about change, instead content to argue in circles about everything. and the new left turns on anyone who is not bought in 100% to their identity politics which doesn’t help
@@MagnusJespersen I agree with you 100% I’ve been watching TYT since 2009. l’m American but I’m also to the left of Cenk and that’s ok. This idea that we have to agree with each other on everything is toxic and it’s hurting the party.. if I’m being honest with myself Cenk views is more aligned with the country than mines are. America isn’t a far left country. As a party we have to stop the litmus testing and allow nuance policy views. The right disagree on a lot of issues but they stick together.
@MagnusJespersen Yes. The Party (meaning the establishment goons who control it) has shifted right, and with it a melange of followers who seem to have taken the bait. It doesn't help that MSM creates a bubble, all the while pretending to support the constituents, spreading a dreadful message of complicity and canceling any who oppose. It's telling when you hear how in 2016 Drumpf and Clinton got millions of dollars of free press while Sanders got as little as 7 seconds of coverage from MSM.
Cenk for the last few years spent most of his time engaging in shallow Trump Derangement Syndrome-like antics that sidelined discussion of economic issues.
As a European this is so funny to watch. You both called yourself left and radical left LOL, and as a matter of fact, none of you resemble anything left. Cenk defends a social speech that the European centre-right economic liberal party would buy any day, and Jordan would be considered a centre-left social democrat.
@ or is that just your perspective? you can't possibly know what everyone categorizes certain people as. which was the point of my comment... its a very broad generalization and not very fact based...
@@MickeyA-s3w don't think it's just my perspective. The word progressive has changed to become what they most loudly support. The same way Gay has changed the meaning due to a loud group....so has progressivism. Like the word freedom fighter....or Woke ..it never means what the words say.... because the groups actions have changed the word in the public sphere
I think its a fair question if TYT wants to continue being a progressive news source or if that's intentionally changing now. I wish Ana and Cenk would directly answer that. Because its pretty easy to believe they're just after right wing audiences and dollars.
I love Emma, but she's been throwing shade at Ana for a long time now. Sam is my #1 ❤. When the left's cancel culture club manages to get even him to weigh in on the TYT hate, you know it has been going on for a long time. Now Cenk is beginning to address the hate.
@@faerykat She hasn't. Whenever Ana or TYT gets brought up she has been relatively soft spoken and taken care not to be overtly critical. She didn't go much further than expressing that she disagreed not throwing shade.
@@faerykat No sorry, I respectfully disagree with you. Ana has been attacking everyone and her behaviour is burning bridges with allies. Emma V did not deserve her treatment by Ana in anyway. And Cenk calling Sam a grifter from nowhere is the biggest case of projection I've ever seen.
Sad to see TYT turn to a moderate left. I remember the time when they condemned this point of view. Moderate viwes has put this country in the position we are in today. Bye TYT!😢
Cenk, TYT is the very first online you tube channel I ever subscribed to. Money has been tigh the past few since y surgery so I don't do the level I used to. But here's the thing- you went to Amerifest and interviewed with Kirk? Really? Is hanging out with bufoons the new direction for TYT? Go get your balls back and stand up for what's right.
This is so childish. In the real world you will work with people who are trump supporters. It's okay to talk to people. Instead of being a snobby elitist.
I would love for you guys to invite Kyle Kulinski from Secular Talk on your show in order to have a discussion/debate with him on this topic. Imo he is by far the most eloquent, sharp witted, reasonable, down to earth, authentic and good natured spokesperson for left wing "resistance" progressivism on all of TH-cam, and I think that a discussion with him would be very much appreciated by people on all sides of the leftie spectrum. Make it happen, guys. 🙏🙏🙏
I am so disappointed and disgusted with you Cenk, All of that bluster, all of the comments about the right and about the antisematism and about Charlie Kirk being a Nazi and you go on there and shake his hand what are you thinking? I'm out. Unsubsidized I used to trust you now.I see you as a trader.You take your millions of dollars and blow it up your...
@@ajatathemu by having him be able to openly criticize, disagree, & call out what he views as some of his issues/disagreement live on air? Did you even watch or did you just see "owner, employee=propaganda 😎"
@ I watched and it was a fluff piece. Cynk gets asked a question then filibusters without a follow up. Reminds me of the sentence internal investigation and we found no wrongdoing on the part of….
@Justin-wj4yc i did watch it...I have also watched the other stuff he has done like calling Sam seder a grifter or strawmanning positions of those critical of him.. Also I saw Ana go on Glen Becks show and say she was maybe wrong about Dave Rubin.. Come on..
@@mattwhitely1067I watched it too, and I got it. He sees those other liberal hosts as coming after him as turning right just after finding 1 or 2 disagreements on issues while he still is liberal on all others and never supported trump. This legitimately gives him the impression that people like Sam seder are doing so just to hurt him and tyt on a personal level or to get streams, thus "grifters". Whether cenk misread their intentions is open for debate. About ana, why should cenk here be her spokesman?
I'm confused. Cenk and Ana spent the last month of the election cycle complaining that Kamala spent too much time campaigning with the center right and Liz Cheney, yet they're arguing that's the strategy they're pursuing by going on Right Wing talk shows?
Speaking for myself, Cenk you are very mistaken about my thoughts on the progressive left. When I hear progressive left, I think of single payer healthcare, accountability for dangerous banking practices, corporate guardrails for executive compensation, and cracking down on large firms buying up private residences for the purpose of rent gouging.
This was a good conversation, and I am really glad you guys had it. I am trans, but I believe that Cenk & Ana are right on this. Social progress follows economic progress - everything is downstream of economics. When people are doing well and feel secure about their futures, they are a lot less likely to fall for scapegoating tactics. That's why the 1% work so hard to divide us along racial, ethnic, gender and sexuality, because they know that if we unite on class issues, they are done. I just finished reading a broad historical overview of the 19th century, from the French Revolution to the beginning of WWI, and it is striking how much that hundred year period is defined by the struggle to foster and expand class consciousness, and use that solidarity to FORCE the elites of Europe to give up more and more power to the masses. That's why the rich and powerful have worked so incredibly hard since the end of WWII to destroy that sense of working class solidarity by breaking us up into more easily managed groups. No. We are the working class, the proletariat, and we need to recognize that core fact.
Then tell Ana that she doesn t get every right she is entitled too as a human being and one little loss of a right is okay to make things comfortable for the majority. How about telling her she can't wear makeup. It's just a tiny little thing and it's no big deal. Tell her that she should have less than every other right.
Nope! Never settle for less than full equality and don't accept crumbs. On a global scale. all women and indigenous people have been labelled crazy radicals in the fight! Do you have any idea how WW11 helped with indigenous rights because some countries were so stunned and disgusted with American soldiers thinking our black and brown soldiers shouldn't be allowed to be in their bars?
I have to say, this conversation turned me off even more. I would have a lot more respect for Cenk if he could admit he made some mistakes, rather then condescend to the audience for their quote-unquote mis-understanding and mis-interprtations.
Can you explain the drama? The only thing im hearing from this is some people are mad at Cenk for talking to magatards and not supporting sex change surgery for illegals.
What mistakes? Don't see any on cenk's side, only other liberal hosts from other shows attacking him and saying he turned right just because disagreeing on little issues🙄
What mistake? All I see are mistakes made by those other show hosts labeling him as turning right just because they disagree on certain issues and because he didn't choose to take the hostile stance towards the other side
@@weihanwang One mistake is engaging in right-wing rhetoric (e.g. radical leftist) in discussions with actual radical right-wingers (i.e. Glenn Beck). If you are giving people like Glenn Beck ammunition then you are on the wrong side of the argument.
@@herbertlang3934 when did he ever take corporate money before and promote gambling? This is new stuff he won’t address. Corruption comes from money sources. That’s what Cenk has taught us. You can’t gas light us all now…
@@brandynmayo I understand your concern with poly market. I've got the same concerns but it hasn't changed his overall positions on most issues. Guys like dore and Rubin took the corp cash and completely changed their entire ideologies. THATS the difference and what is most important
@@rpena0899 Cenk's a Capitalist. Capitalism is a RW-system. Thus, Cenk is a RWer, whether or not he's (a)intelligent enough to comprehend it or (b)honorable enough to admit it. He's not someone to take seriously.
This is channel is pretty much dying. Look at the view it gets compared to other progressive channels. Cenk had to figure out someway to try to stay in business, so they moved more towards the center and embraced non-progressive positions. Cenk and Ana thought this would lead to the same type of windfall that others like Dave Ruben and Jimmy Dore have gotten. However, they were not well received because they were perceived as insincere. Now, TYT is is much worse shape than before.
Well 80%+ are moderates in the US. Its not a political party war, its a class war, and having spent 25+ years living in 6 countries that were dictatorships, until Americans realize that its about class, they will sink into the fascist black hole with almost no chance on getting out. Trust me, Ive lived and breathed what you guys have coming.
You may be right, I'm not sure, but I'll acknowledge that I now watch them a lot more than I used to and I think their "movement toward the center" is a big part of it. So their strategy seems to have worked on me. However I don't know if it is a movement towards the center that has drawn me in, or if it is their rejection of left-wing puritanism. Probably both, but only the latter is necessary.
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What non progressive positions have they embraced?
Cenk's a Capitalist. Capitalism is a RW-system. Thus, Cenk is a RWer, whether or not he's (a)intelligent enough to comprehend it or (b)honorable enough to admit it. Corporatism & Fascism are farther RW-systems, and Cenk is getting cozy with Corporatists & Fascists. Kamala, Biden, Obama, Pelosi & Schumer are Capitalists/Coprporatists. Cheney, Trump, McConnell, Johnson, & BushJr are a Corporatists/Fascists. Nooo. 🙄 Thanks. 😒 🤮
Cenk's a Capitalist. Capitalism is a RW-system. Thus, Cenk is a RWer, whether or not he's (a)intelligent enough to comprehend it or (b)honorable enough to admit it. Corporatism & Fascism are farther RW-systems, and Cenk is getting cozy with Corporatists & Fascists. Kamala, Biden, Obama, Pelosi & Schumer are Capitalists/Coprporatists. Cheney, Trump, McConnell, Johnson, & BushJr are a Corporatists/Fascists. Nooo. 🙄 Thanks. 😒 🤮
But not with his real critics, which at this point is all the independent left media echo system (in addition to everyone at TYT except for Ana). Looks like it’s a “me” (i.e., Cenk and Ana) problem more than a “you” (everyone else) problem.
I would say debate those who voiced concern about TYT's pivot like John and Fran. That way, Cenk couldn't strawman anyone. But still, a punk move from Cenk.
I ended my subscription after the “Venezuela gang” story. I didn’t mind not agreeing with you guys 100% of the time, but propagating an outright lie is something different, Cenk and Ana. When will you issue a correction on this story?
Exactly this! I still watched and shit talked Ana half the time lol but once they propagated that story- the line was crossed. Lost my respect completely with that one. It's been proven to be a hoax story and STILL no redaction and I heard Kasparian just doubled down not long ago on it? To at the same time shame Fox for the propagating the Eating Cats and Dogs story and not see their own hypocrisy- just cringe, man. What are they even doing??
From AP News: "Updated 1:04 AM GMT, December 21, 2024 DENVER (AP) - Eleven people, including some members of a Venezuelan gang, are facing potential criminal charges in connection with the violent abduction and beating of a couple this week at an apartment complex in a Denver suburb, police said Friday.
From USA Today: "Nineteen individuals have been detained for allegedly torturing two people during a home invasion at an Aurora, Colorado apartment complex that received national attention when President-elect Donald Trump claimed it was being taken over by a Veneuzlen gang. Police's preliminary investigation indicates a man and woman were approached by 13 to 15 armed individuals around 8:45 p.m. on Monday, Chief Todd Chamberlain said during a news conference on Tuesday. The two individuals were taken "against their will" to an adjoining apartment at Edge at Lowry where they were bounded, pistol-whipped, beaten and "terrorized," according to the chief. On Tuesday, Chamberlain said his department was in the process of writing search warrants for all the locations involved, particularly at the Edge at Lowry Apartments. Police are also trying to identify the suspects and "what actions they were involved in," according to the chief. Chamberlain said it appears that the victims and detained individuals are immigrants from Venezuela and that this was a "gang incident." He applauded the victims' courage for not fearing the gang and for coming forward and calling the police.
@tompriceusmc it's interesting you're quoting from an ABC article and not from AP coverage of this directly because if you DID quote from AP you would read yourself that claims relating the Venezuelan gang are "unsubstantiated allegations" at this time.
@@Independent365 getting 1% views is not a good thing if you know anything about you tube. They have been getting g 20k views in a regular basis which is even worse. So don’t be surprised if TYT tanks in the near future
I’m Republican. Cenk Uygur, I applaud you for the last eight years I believe that we can disagree and have a beer afterwards, we can disagree totally, and still shake hands. I was a democrat and I guess in my heart maybe I still am but the party that I could see on TV deserted me called me a racist and said I was deplorable garbage. Watching you on Amfest 2024 with Charlie Kirk to me was the beginning of a new era an era of acceptance of fighting for what we both believe in and still having a beer for the things we don’t!!Congratulations I applaud you and I now follow you!! my mother always told me that we should have different avenues of input and that’s what freedom of speech is all about, and I have always lived by it since I was very young!!
Cenk's a Capitalist. Capitalism is a RW-system. Thus, Cenk is a RWer, whether or not he's (a)intelligent enough to comprehend it or (b)honorable enough to admit it. Corporatism & Fascism are farther RW-systems, and Cenk is getting cozy with Corporatists & Fascists. Kamala, Biden, Obama, Pelosi & Schumer are Capitalists/Coprporatists. Cheney, Trump, McConnell, Johnson, & BushJr are a Corporatists/Fascists. Nooo. 🙄 Thanks. 😒 🤮
@@ivnarc6430 Yup. Cenk's a Capitalist. Capitalism is a RW-system. Thus, Cenk is a RWer, whether or not he's (a)intelligent enough to comprehend it or (b)honorable enough to admit it. Corporatism & Fascism are farther RW-systems, and Cenk is getting cozy with Corporatists & Fascists. Kamala, Biden, Obama, Pelosi & Schumer are Capitalists/Coprporatists. Cheney, Trump, McConnell, Johnson, & BushJr are a Corporatists/Fascists. OP would cozy up to corporatists and fascists, too, just like Cenk. Nooo. 🙄 Thanks. 😒 🤮
I like the direction you’re going. I’m on the left and everything you said was facts. I don’t agree with many positions of others under our tent either and I’m so tired of the most unpopular ideas being the purity test for our party. It’s so annoying because I’ve had so many ppl calling me right wing under my own tent for having day 1 progressive ideas. It’s the twilight zone, and it’s so weird that for some reason people cannot see it for themselves. Like wake up.
same here. This election has been eye popping for me. I always thought the left was accepting and inclusive but it turns out they are just one big entitled circle jerk filled with anger and hatred looking down on everyone else. And they cant seem to get it through their head that they have scared everyone away with their bs moral high ground. South park really hit the nail on the head with the liberals smelling their own farts
@@Diana-si5xn Not everyone is radical. For example, lot of people in my local Green Party that don’t want restrictions on guns besides federal background checks.
@@JosephWolfson I’m pro gun and I’ve always been on the left. Cenk and I would disagree with each other but are both still progressives. I don’t understand why people can’t recognize that. Progressives are not a monolith.
Political parties are put in place to divide us from what the real commonality is between us, class. If we’re fighting each other, then we’re not paying attention or fighting the real corruption and top 1%.
@@FreeloaderTVyou can’t allow them to push you out of the party though and re write what it means to be progressive. That’s why I respect what they are doing here because I’m glad that someone is FINALLY starting to speak out that actually has a megaphone. Most of us average free thinking progressives on the left do not support the direction that many under our tent have been headed( but we aren’t ppl that comment all the time I know I don’t) and they try to push us all out by calling us right wing. I’m a progressive I’m not going anywhere they will move out of the party before I do. And I think distinctions are necessary and Cenk is correct, the progressive brand needs to be reclaimed.
Cenk, debate Frannie and/or John. Jordan was paid a lot as a consultant by your campaign for office. Frannie revealed that you turned her offer down, which seems to contradict your "3 rules of the internet"
I liked the talk, but have a bit of feedback on how you could improve still. Cenk NAILS it when he argues that many people now misconstrue what "progressive" means - this is exactly what I've experienced as well. Jordan then says "Well ok, I disagree." and doesn't bother to even explain what part of that he disagrees with or why. This seems a little unreasonable, like it was based on a feeling rather than analytical reasoning. Jordan makes a great point about the words Cenk uses to describe people who basically have a tribal bias toward what they perceive as leftist ideology. Cenk defends and explains what his thought process was, but doesn't concede at all that Jordan is right and that he might consider his point. I think this is a product of the habit of argumentation, but that learning to give a little bit of consideration to the points of others would make you seem more reasonable to more people. It can help you because you will then be using this constructive feedback as a way to improve yourself. Jordan, while his argumentation is generally improving, tries to do a "gotcha" argument about gender-affirming care being covered if we had Medicare for all, which is based on a false premise. No insurance company would cover an elective or non-mandatory procedure. I didn't like that argument, or that Cenk didn't push back. For the terminology, what about something like "pragmatic progressives" (like Jordan seems to identify as) vs "ideological progressives" (which may have more rigid ideological positions), or if you want to emphasize the differences in groups on the left maybe "left populists" (for populist economic reform) vs "left culturalists" (cultural or identity focused progressives), or if you really want to drive the point home, "policy-first left" vs "identity-first left" (this gets to the heart of the distinction, as the former prioritizes structural policies that benefit the masses vs the later keeping identity centered policies top of mind, like trans atheletes in sports). With regard to the "haters", you guys are 100% correct that they are trying to farm views. It's pathetic; you know it, I know it, everybody knows it. Ana and Cenk, I hope you can take these things with less intensity because you are truly great people. This stuff is going to happen, especially as you grow. Keep doing exactly what you're doing, you guys are on the right track.
And how does that explain Cenk calling Sam Seder a grifter, refusing to explain how he is a grifter, and refusing to debate their differences with Sam?
What for? It’s crystal clear that Cenk will not give more support fringe niche zo-zial issues for sex/race/gender groups anymore because most American voters rejected those issues to such an extreme that it could cost Dems the next 2 upcoming elections. Cenk supports M4A, paid family leave, higher wages, etc. but that’s not enough for some people. It’s a matter of priorities and Sam and Cenk have very different priorities.
@@Structura-c5x I've been seeing videos of both talking about one another and maybe they could set aside their priorities to talk about their differences in strategies, etc
More specifically, he's pretty left on fiscal policy -- the issues that tend to broadly poll well in the left's favor -- while more moderated on social policy, which tends to be much more divisive. So he's the GOOD center left, as opposed to the corporate types.
@@billiardbob618 you know why that is? Because the left has taken a drastic turn leftward and it's alienated even some of the most staunch progressives, you guys refuse to see the problem.
Not even close to a credible exchange of differences. All I saw in this video was Cenk dominating a conversation with an employee of his and offering it up as an “honest debate.”
TYT originally helped turn me towards progressive views, its sad to see the hosts spouting the same bigotry and self centered ideologies as the far right, but refusing to acknowledge how far they have fallen.
@@laurentbergeronmusic Just off the top of my head, him agreeing with "transgender surgeries for illegal immigrants" or "surges of Guatamalan criminals taking over apartments" both of which where fox news hoaxes.
No group is going to agree 100% on all policies no matter what party they’re in…so you don’t need to call people extreme left to distinguish yourself, it only creates divide where it isn’t necessary
Let’s talk to Glen Beck, but Sam Seder is a grifter, and I won’t talk to him… Gimme a break! I think Cenk is still a progressive, but Ana?… At this point, after she said on Piers Morgan that maybe she was to tough on Rubin, I wouldn’t be surprised if she cozied up with Tulsi!
I used to believe this but I honestly think it just doesn’t change anyone’s mind because the viewers are there for confirmation bias. They’re not interested in changing perspective.
Agree. Engage the right. Support populist ideas. I'm in. But don't refuse to engage some on the left including Sam Seder. It makes no sense. Also a longtime fan of TYT and don't intend to leave just because the hosts are willing to debate and challenge right wing hosts.
My favorite moments with Cenk and Ana were hearing them talk about the contrast of ideals and not accepting "both sides" or "agree to disagree" when it comes to fascism, white supremacy, and anti-democracy. Is that all gone?
There are countless viewers, such as myself, that have been admirers of your and your network’s work for years Cenk. We stand with you and the TYT family.
100%! Cenk needs to debate Sam Seder! Also - thank you for being a fellow vegan. Vegan for the animals!
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@@MonkeyPlantain Nobody needs to debate Sam Seder. The word "grifter" is so very over used now days, and there's very few people who it actually applies to. There are some actual grifters on the left and right, Sam is one of them. We've all seen his debates before, it's impossible for him to have honest discussion.
It's not that you are speaking to the right,it's what you guys are saying against the left. Mainly Ana. She is the reason why I stopped being a paid member.
I had been feeling gaslit by a lot of TYT coverage for many months before I first canceled my membership and then immediately after the Venezuelan gang propaganda, I had no choice but to unsubcribe and tune out for good. I never thought id see such blatant propaganda on this channel but there it was! It was after all this I came across the Vanguards coverage on TYT's pivot. All I can say is THANK YOU, THE VANGUARD!!- they broke down everything i had experienced as a viewer so perfectly and I think it's great that they are a channel specifically taking on the task of holding media accountable and calling BS out when needed. Calling the Vanguard "a grift" is just projection from this network. Those boys are fighting the good fight. ✊️
@@asterrisk36the Vanguard are the most toxic TH-camrs on the left, their whole business model is to focus on and enhance drama within "The Left", they make money by fanning the flames. Also I haven't forgotten when they were kissing Dore's feet when it was already clear what that grifter was doing
As an Aussie it's fascinating that what the Americans call the "radical left" is what most developed western nations already are. We have a decent minimum wage (with an automatic increase every year), socialised healthcare and education, social security etc. We get good benefits in relation to medical time, family time and annual holidays etc as a standard thing. These benefits are not tied to a job, they are provided through the government and have been for decades. Our systems are struggling not because they're bad but because they're badly managed. They aren't funded enough or in the correct way. Other countries do it better and some worse but it is the norm to have this your if society -- even when we have our version of a right wing government, which is nothing like your gop it's more like the old style Dems. I would live to have a system thats along the lines of some Nordic countries but thats a way off for us, we do still have some classism here. One good thing here is that while some struggle and live in shelters or on the streets, it is a very, very small percentage of our society.
"Radical left" means different things to different people, even in the US. Some people think it's referring to social economic policies, but that's typically the uninformed and people of bad faith. The real definition seems to have more to do with social issues, e.g. third wave feminism, anti-gun policy, an extremely soft stance on low-level crime, pro-trans and pro-lgbtq+ policies. The second group represents the one Cenk is fine with not defending vehemently
@MarkZielonko maybe because it's so normal here I didn't even think to mention the social issues that you did. Yes in a lot of western countries the lgbtqia community still has a ways to go and very few countries have worked out the prevention (lessening) of crime and how to reverse a person to not reoffend. Australia is not good on the crime and punishment thing but is doing a little better in regards recividism. Our main issues now are more on domestic matters like abuse of women and doing better by our first nation people. The point being that while we're not a patch on the Nordic countries, we are much further along the progressive path than the US. Because there is so far for your country to go and with everything I've spoken of is lumped under the title of "radical" and associated with communism and marxism. It's quite saddening because it's holding you back from having the basics of a left society let alone what your country sees as "progressive".
@@kasahadragon9499 Yeah... The right wing has been incredibly effective at lumping the commonly held values and socially far-left content together, and it's driven such a wedge... The common right winger has basically been trained to bulk ignore any left wing policy. I think that's what Cenk is trying to chip away at with his new strategy.
Jordan says he “doesn’t agree”, but doesn’t explain why and doesn’t answer to any of Cenk’s points (very common sense stuff). People like Jordan have really damaged and continue to damage the leftist movement with their unreasonable, disingenuous, and all-or-nothing attitude with policy positions they know are unpopular. He said trans issues were not central, but they were. Every other republican and every conservative host would talk about it. To deny it as a large part of why democrats lost is a bad attempt at gaslighting. yes trans people ARE valid and deserve the same rights afforded to anyone else, most people do agree with that. most will never agree anyone deserves free cosmetic surgery (especially detained illegal immigrants), but the fact that Jordan is standing by that is just telling, he is willing to let democrats and leftists lose (along with all of our desperately needed economic policy, and any chance at all for progressive social policy) if it means we’ll all be fighting in vain for an issue that will never be won on. It’s not only self-defeating and stupid, but incredibly selfish.
Because he argues like most id politics proponents do - in bad faith and with a focus on non-issues most people find irritating to hear about, let alone waste time discussing. All to the detriment or legitimate progressive issues - healthcare, fair wages, anti-imperialism etc.
The fact that both Cenk and Ana are still tap dancing around the accusations and doing so in a condescending, "we don't see our viewers as wise enough to the game" tone is disappointing Their downfall is of their own making and instead of taking some form of accountability they just act like there is nothing to see and cry victim
@@peaceandllovlmao! I love a dumb fuck who thinks just because Trump won, this means that the majority have conservative views. Half the country doesn't vote, and dems lost because they ran to the right. The base didn't show up. Republican light doesn't sell to the base.
@@peaceandllov you’re not sick of dumbass white men billionaires bending you over though, huh?? Just so your eggs can be $0.50 and you can get your stock returns.
Yeah… I find Cenk and Ana mostly reasonable and progressive but the comments are always 70% spewing hate at them as far right grifters or some such ludicrous hysterics, and 10% are right wingers saying ‘Mwahaha come over to our side’, just because they actually talk to the right and have any nuance at all
My biggest problem is that you have a Co host who says she's afraid to talk to people of color then when when Mondale left and explained his reasons why, she plays the typical right wing card of let me find a black person who agrees with me and post it on my substack for cover. My issue is that you see that the overwhelming majority of African Americans voted for Kamala Harris and instead of looking into the reason why, it seems like you on the main show chalked it up to "well we just voted for her because she's black" and instead focused on the small group of African Americans who voted for Trump. Another issue is that any time there's a story regarding something a republican did, you will go out of your way to both sides it. For example when that comedian at the Trump rally said what he said about Puerto Rico, some how the discussion became about Kamala Harris (well Ana made it about Kamala Harris) With regards to going on right wing media, to Cenk's credit he does fight back. Ana as of late does not. All she does is go on those shows and criticize the left. Of course a right wing audience is going to find agreement with that.
I agree with almost everything you said accept the African Americans Voting for Kamala she was equally bad as Trump just in different ways. I 100% agree with your comment about Ana she gets more excited and is always so anxious to condemn Democrats and I am an Independent and I see this.. Ana’s reporting is unfair because it’s imbalanced.
@@jt9096let's see how equal bad they are when those taxes go up. When you have to pay more for things because of tariffs. When protection for workers get removed. When outward racism is increase
She’s entitled to her view points, that’s human nature, we’re not going to see eye to eye on every situation and that’s ok! Focus on the prize, winning on economic progressive policies.
If you want progressives to still like TYT: Stop angrily talking about things you disagree with the left on and sweetly talking about things you agree with the right on. Not complicated.
@@mcmcmcm6520 unfortunately a lot of people have been attacking them for a few years now. They did a good job ignoring it at first but it's definitely gotten under their skin in a shitty way so they feel like they need to address it.
Cenk has an employee to baby him through these arguments instead of someone who will challenge him. Sam Seder, anyone? Are you scared to debate him, cenk?
Staring down the barrel of the camera doesnt make it any less ridiculous to tell ppl who are marginalized By their identity WITHIN THE MARGINALIZATION OF CLASS ALREADY, to ignore their identity!! You dont get to jump between macfo and micro as it suits your argument.
Thank you Cenk! Common Sense Progressive Populist Rationalist! Really grateful for this clarifying conversation. Keep expanding the tent for wins for working class Americans
⏱️ Timestamps by TimeSkip ⏱️
00:00:00 - Introduction to TYT Discussion
00:03:03 - Criticism of TYT's Approach
00:06:12 - Navigating Right-Wing Engagements
00:09:45 - Class as a Unifying Force
00:11:36 - Defining Political Labels
00:19:43 - Addressing the Trans Issue
00:22:00 - Trans Rights and Constitutional Equality
00:23:30 - Electoral Strategy and Policy Positions
00:24:20 - Progressive Ideals and Political Identity
00:35:10 - Disagreement in Political Discourse
00:37:10 - Audience Capture and Political Dynamics
00:39:30 - Right-Wing Reactions and Leftist Unity
00:40:13 - Responding to Personal Attacks
00:40:58 - Closing Thoughts and Gratitude
You a real one
Thanks, that makes it much easier to navigate this long video!
Cenk, I love you bro but I have to push back…. You announced your 3 rules recently one being when we disagree we fight…. Why not accept the invite to majority report?
You guys need to come together
Why....Both Sam and Emma have lost so much credebility concerning good faith arguments, so they can only bring on guests that are a part of their choir
Charlie Kirk made Cenk look like a fool. Cenk had praise for right wing grifters and nothing but criticism for the left and center dems. I am past done with this grift.
“Talk to the other side” but not Sam Seder? You’re not fooling anyone Cenk
There's nothing wrong with disagreement until you disagree with Cenk.
TYT has not meaningfully engaged with the criticisms raised. They bluster and they strawman, but they never actually properly engage with the criticism. I have lost faith in Cenk and Ana. I see them (Ana, in particular) being nicer to right wingers (who are genuinely dangerous) than they are to left wingers with whom they might have small differences. Cenk wants disagreement, just not with left-wingers who disagree with him. I see Cenk deciding that right wingers can be allies because they might have identified some of the same problems as the left wing, while ignoring that the ways the right wing wants to address those problems and the reasons they feel those problems need to be addressed will cause harm to us all. If a guy wanting to get home finds the bridge over the river is down and meets a second guy who wants to get across the river to burn the first guy's house down, they can both agree that the bridge being down is a problem, but the first guy happily working with the second to repair the bridge is probably not the way to go. If TYT wants to prove they are good faith they should probably debate and discuss with their critics. If you are willing to debate Tim Pool and Glen Beck, you can talk to Sam Seder and other left-wingers who are critical of your approach.
Yeah, I think this is my issue, too. It's us on the left that have smaller disagreements and are being told we're the downfall of the party and need to be called something else who are being pushed out/not tolerated.
@@jamespearson7871 their characteristion of the left is ridiculous. If people with the perspective crime doesn't exist in America exist in the wild I'll eat my shoe.
Interesting how Cenk will go on all these right wing shows and podcast, but when he's given an invitation to debate Sam Seder its crickets.
@@Carnival_wilson191 I think Sam Seder is part of the issue. I hear what you are saying but Sam Seder thinks he is holier than thou!! If you don’t agree with him while you are just not as committed and need to step away.
@@hellanicefella9820except that's not how it is. Sam has usually debated with people who were just plain wrong. Sam just made it clearer. In this case, it just looks like Cenk isn't as secure in his argument as Sam is. Why not?
@hellanicefella9820 lol that's so funny that you think Sam is holier than thou, but Cenk is not? Also, if you have disagreements, you should be able to defend your position. Cenk doesn't want to do that. He prefers softball interviews where he has more control of the narrative.
@@soccjock7434 He finally did a right wing interview with Marc Lamont and he couldn't hold his own.
CENK ITS TIME TO GO ON LEFT LEANING SHOWS.
yes like Sam seder.. or the vanguard
@@norbertjarvis3680 He's too much of a coward and a blowhard.
Now where's the conversation with John and Francesca
Yeah, Jordan is trying, but he doesn't have enough to combat Cenk's gishgallop, obfuscation, dodges & pivots. But even more-so, this channel does a disservice by ignoring, and failing to educate, on the international & historical contexts of politics. If the viewers/voters knew the truth, then they would know that Cenk is a RWer, whether or not he is willing, or smart enough to admit it.
@@matthewingerson This is a silly take, if you think Cenk is right win then you are so lost in the sauce that you are politically irrelevant. The issue with the left has always been this purity testing and race to "out-left" each other. Just because Cenk doesn't agree with you on like 2% of the issues doesn't make him RW. if Cenk is RW then 99.9% of this country is fascist because they are much more to the right of Cenk
They have both stood their ground and they haven't had a conversation with either Cenk or Ana since. They can't and won't do it. Both J and F work for them but they won't sell out, hence Cenk and Ana going to the most extreme right wingers to kiss up.
As a European, it's always interesting to see how some Americans think of "radical" as your regular socialdemocrat in my Continent. Cenk, come to Europe, and touch some grass. You will see with your own eyes, how much of a sellout you are. Some causes are baseline policies for any first world country.
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Cenk is a sell out! How could you go on Charlie Kirk’s show and be like that? Disgusting. You’ve been removed.
To be a sellout you would need to gain something. Cenk has not personally gained anything by doing this. If anything he is losing subscribers by the day and he has not pumped the breaks at all. Usually grifters adjust their rhetoric once they see its losing them money. Cenk hasnt done that
I turn to TYT because I want to hear different perspectives. I can't even stand thinking about watching some of the right wing ppl. TYT gives interviews and goes on right-wing media outlets, and I'm 💯 for it. It helps me understand " the other side" perspective. It's not about changing your own opinions. It's about understanding other's opinions and why they feel the way they do. It's an opportunity to open dialog, share facts, and possibly get them to see the other sides' opinions, too.
FACTS. People act like hearing others opinions is like a disease you catch or something lol. Progressive is not a monolith.
You are not getting the nuanced opinions you think you're getting here. Widen your horizons- there are plenty of other more reputable news sources that offer different perspectives without the subtle propaganda tyt has been lacing all their stories with. Democracy NOW, the Majority Report, Secular Talk and Krystal, Kyle and Friends, Breaking Points (hell i cant stand Sagar but Krystal never fails to defend the left points against his right wing), the David Pakman Show, Luke Beasley's recent project with some wild right winger does an excellent job of addressing the most outrageous right wing beliefs without sacrifice his own principles.. I believe it's called the Grudge. SO MUCH out there if you want to see real, non-spin/staged debates than what this channel has to offer now sadly. Tyt used to be great, but they sold out, sorry!
@@asterrisk36 Try Democracy at Work for wisdom, both Economic Update and Capital'ism Hits Home -- skip Luke B until he gets older&wiser.
If you see this suggestion, maybe throw a lil response so I know I"m not being SB'd. :)
This isn't a debate when the interviewer is mostly just defending Cenk. Should have had Franchesca interviewing instead.
I don't understand why trans agenda is so important?!? Just give them basic rights and call it a day so we can move on to more important issues...
They already have basic rights.
They just don't have the right to use women's restrooms or beat up women in sports.
It won’t go away because people like you use the term “trans” as though it is a real thing. Stop doing that and it’ll go away
The only people that talk about it anymore are Republicans. 💯 The Fox News website has 2 stories about trans people right now. 💯 It's all they talk about on right-wing radio, it's crazy...💯💯💯
What basic rights don't they have?
THANK YOU I AGREE 100000000%%%
People are not idiots. People understand the differences between peoples positions. I think the issue is what you choose to get worked up about and where you spend your energy. When you start heavily highlighting issues that don't really affect a lot of people and then picking fights with people who are mostly on your side but take a slightly softer approach to people who are the opps. People starts to question which side are you on.
It's like hard tackling your team mate in practice to break their leg and in the game you barely put in a challenge on the on the opponent. More Anna than Cenk but it's most def there.
Perhaps a visit on Krystal and Kyle and Friends for a conversation about how best to go forward to win on economic populist progressive issues
He already talked to Krystal like a week ago about this
Their grifters, the sellouts only go on right wing platforms now, they’re scared to be called out to their face obvious grifting
@@connorevery5451 they were Biden no matter what for a long time….don’t trust them. At least TYT has been honest even if it’s not what we’ve wanted to hear.
Krystal and Kyle are corpo Democrats now.
@@connorevery5451 TYT is deleting comments now how pathetic
Softball interview. Until you have the "stones" to have this conversation with Seder, Mondale, Dixon, Emma, or someone who will REALLY challenge you, don't waste our time brother.
If you like conflict and challenge, go discuss our issues with Sam Seder.
What is there to debate ?
We have plenty of examples of trans women going into female sports and dominating. Sam Seder is a far leftist with zero nuanced opinions. He’ll just say that trans women should be allowed to go into any female spaces because it’s right and everyone who disagrees is a Nazi.
Like it or not when it comes to sports or bathrooms the overwhelming majority of the country is against it.
@mainecoonmami ahhh... gotcha. And yes! 💯
I've been following TYT since 2007 and I must say that throughout all these years Cenk has been very consistent in keeping his eyes on the prize. I agree with him from a strategic standpoint even though I'm to the left of him on many issues (probably because of being scandinavian). I don't believe that TYT is right wing, on the contrary I believe that Cenk is where the centre left of the US should be. His position on most issues will resonate with some working class voters that voted for Trump in hope of a more affordable America.
exactly, both sides have forgot how to appeal to the other to bring about change, instead content to argue in circles about everything. and the new left turns on anyone who is not bought in 100% to their identity politics which doesn’t help
@@MagnusJespersen I agree with you 100%
I’ve been watching TYT since 2009. l’m American but I’m also to the left of Cenk and that’s ok. This idea that we have to agree with each other on everything is toxic and it’s hurting the party.. if I’m being honest with myself Cenk views is more aligned with the country than mines are. America isn’t a far left country. As a party we have to stop the litmus testing and allow nuance policy views. The right disagree on a lot of issues but they stick together.
@MagnusJespersen Yes. The Party (meaning the establishment goons who control it) has shifted right, and with it a melange of followers who seem to have taken the bait. It doesn't help that MSM creates a bubble, all the while pretending to support the constituents, spreading a dreadful message of complicity and canceling any who oppose. It's telling when you hear how in 2016 Drumpf and Clinton got millions of dollars of free press while Sanders got as little as 7 seconds of coverage from MSM.
Cenk for the last few years spent most of his time engaging in shallow Trump Derangement Syndrome-like antics that sidelined discussion of economic issues.
If the party had the same mindset as cenk a lot more would get done, he's always been a populist through and through
So why don't you go on left wing shows also.
He was on David Pakman a little bit ago, David does things in good faith.
@@douglaspagan4525
And who exactly doesn't?
@peterporkeresq.2817 Who doesn't what specifically? Go on Pakman or act on good faith?
@@douglaspagan4525
What do you think?
@@peterporkeresq.2817 I ask because I do not assume.
Never thought this platform would sellout and start griffting, sad.
Because Trump is in charge doofus
As a European this is so funny to watch. You both called yourself left and radical left LOL, and as a matter of fact, none of you resemble anything left. Cenk defends a social speech that the European centre-right economic liberal party would buy any day, and Jordan would be considered a centre-left social democrat.
Don't you guys have racist and Islamophobic political discuss in Europe?
Speak, man! Speak! 👏
Europeans have one of the WORST track records in terms of human morality. Sit this one out champ lol
That is absolutely not what I think when I hear progressive...
because these guys are not progressives. They're opportunists
Everyone else does tho...
@ or is that just your perspective? you can't possibly know what everyone categorizes certain people as. which was the point of my comment... its a very broad generalization and not very fact based...
@@MickeyA-s3w don't think it's just my perspective. The word progressive has changed to become what they most loudly support. The same way Gay has changed the meaning due to a loud group....so has progressivism. Like the word freedom fighter....or Woke ..it never means what the words say.... because the groups actions have changed the word in the public sphere
TYT bends the knee!
I think its a fair question if TYT wants to continue being a progressive news source or if that's intentionally changing now.
I wish Ana and Cenk would directly answer that. Because its pretty easy to believe they're just after right wing audiences and dollars.
I guess you missed the 50 times he answered your question. 🙄
@@faerykat No. They just know what they hear Cenk and Ana saying and they're sick of the gaslighting.
Cenk is incapable of addressing the actual criticisms… why does he always feel the need to straw man everyone’s arguments is such an absurd way to
"I wouldn't go and lash out at left wing hosts." I think Sam Seder and Emma Vigeland might have something to say about that.....
I love Emma, but she's been throwing shade at Ana for a long time now. Sam is my #1 ❤. When the left's cancel culture club manages to get even him to weigh in on the TYT hate, you know it has been going on for a long time. Now Cenk is beginning to address the hate.
@@faerykat
Nope, you're wrong. They've held their tougues for a loooong time.
@@faerykat She hasn't. Whenever Ana or TYT gets brought up she has been relatively soft spoken and taken care not to be overtly critical. She didn't go much further than expressing that she disagreed not throwing shade.
@@faerykat No sorry, I respectfully disagree with you. Ana has been attacking everyone and her behaviour is burning bridges with allies. Emma V did not deserve her treatment by Ana in anyway. And Cenk calling Sam a grifter from nowhere is the biggest case of projection I've ever seen.
He said unless they've done it 12 times before to him.
Cenk you lost your clout a long time ago.Ana is a clown
Sad to see TYT turn to a moderate left. I remember the time when they condemned this point of view. Moderate viwes has put this country in the position we are in today. Bye TYT!😢
Cenk and Ana, can you please sit down with Sam Seder and discuss what is happening with TYT?
Basically, that was 40 minutes of Cenk either saying, "No, YOU'RE wrong!" or "Disagreement is okay as long as I'm always right."
"And if there is no disagreement within a party, you're not in a party: you're in an authoritarian cult."
Damn.
@@spaghettiking7312 so, why is he intolerant of the disagreements so many are having with him?
@@no-one-o1o1
Because authoritarians always engage in projection.
That's not as deep as you think it is.
Someone thought it was deep?
@@no-one-o1o1
Ask the cultist.
Cenk, TYT is the very first online you tube channel I ever subscribed to. Money has been tigh the past few since y surgery so I don't do the level I used to. But here's the thing- you went to Amerifest and interviewed with Kirk? Really?
Is hanging out with bufoons the new direction for TYT? Go get your balls back and stand up for what's right.
Right let's all stay divided like it's a sports team keep America divided Great idea stay an echo chambers
You don’t run TYT and Cenk will do what Trump says or get rolled over.
This is so childish. In the real world you will work with people who are trump supporters. It's okay to talk to people. Instead of being a snobby elitist.
I would love for you guys to invite Kyle Kulinski from Secular Talk on your show in order to have a discussion/debate with him on this topic. Imo he is by far the most eloquent, sharp witted, reasonable, down to earth, authentic and good natured spokesperson for left wing "resistance" progressivism on all of TH-cam, and I think that a discussion with him would be very much appreciated by people on all sides of the leftie spectrum.
Make it happen, guys. 🙏🙏🙏
Woke people aren’t secular.
Secular refers to religion and spiritually not political views
@nonyabusiness366 that's just the name of the channel. TYT aren't exactly young anymore, are they?
Shout outs to Kyle!
I am so disappointed and disgusted with you Cenk, All of that bluster, all of the comments about the right and about the antisematism and about Charlie Kirk being a Nazi and you go on there and shake his hand what are you thinking?
I'm out. Unsubsidized
I used to trust you now.I see you as a trader.You take your millions of dollars and blow it up your...
Cenk and Ana are repositioning away from the alt right (You, Biden, Kamala) and becoming more populist/progressive (Trump)
Cenk is going to be inviting Matt Walsh and Charlie Kirk to join TYT for a “right wing” perspective.
I could not take this seriously, where are Francesca, John, and Mondale? Debate them!
Your new slogan should be "TYT home of radical centrists"
This was some TYT propaganda like a mofo!
Propaganda in what way?
@ an interview between the owner and an employee to explain the rift with the audience?
@@ajatathemu by having him be able to openly criticize, disagree, & call out what he views as some of his issues/disagreement live on air? Did you even watch or did you just see "owner, employee=propaganda 😎"
@ I watched and it was a fluff piece. Cynk gets asked a question then filibusters without a follow up. Reminds me of the sentence internal investigation and we found no wrongdoing on the part of….
Cenk strawmanned a ton of the leftists critism of him. He hasnt addressed a single one here..
You clearly didn't watch it, lmfaoooo
@@Justin-wj4yc Did he? Be specific.
@Justin-wj4yc i did watch it...I have also watched the other stuff he has done like calling Sam seder a grifter or strawmanning positions of those critical of him.. Also I saw Ana go on Glen Becks show and say she was maybe wrong about Dave Rubin.. Come on..
@@mattwhitely1067I watched it too, and I got it. He sees those other liberal hosts as coming after him as turning right just after finding 1 or 2 disagreements on issues while he still is liberal on all others and never supported trump. This legitimately gives him the impression that people like Sam seder are doing so just to hurt him and tyt on a personal level or to get streams, thus "grifters". Whether cenk misread their intentions is open for debate. About ana, why should cenk here be her spokesman?
Why is it wrong to hear different opinions???
Its not.
Why is it wrong to listen to nazis?????
I'm confused. Cenk and Ana spent the last month of the election cycle complaining that Kamala spent too much time campaigning with the center right and Liz Cheney, yet they're arguing that's the strategy they're pursuing by going on Right Wing talk shows?
Because its no longer Dem vs Rep.
What’s wrong with going on right wing shows?
What’s wrong with TALKING to the opposition ?
@@chillie000 I'm just pointing out their hypocrisy since it was apparently bad when Kamala was reaching across the aisle
@@martinfishersings that’s a false equivalency. It’s not the same thing and you know it.
@@chillie000 why isn't it the same thing?
I agree with Cenk that healthy debate is the path forward. Debate Sam Seder and let’s rally the left together!
Speaking for myself, Cenk you are very mistaken about my thoughts on the progressive left. When I hear progressive left, I think of single payer healthcare, accountability for dangerous banking practices, corporate guardrails for executive compensation, and cracking down on large firms buying up private residences for the purpose of rent gouging.
So Cenk and Anna are against that stuff now lol?
@Independent365 that's not what I'm saying
Bye, Cenk..After 9 straight years...YOU gave up. I hope Bernie is proud of you.
I lost all support for TYT
Silly and Billy have opened my eyes!
SHOUTOUT SILLY AND BILLYYYY
You play both sides, and that comes across as what ever party is doing well you side with. That’s what makes you come across as fake.
This was a good conversation, and I am really glad you guys had it. I am trans, but I believe that Cenk & Ana are right on this. Social progress follows economic progress - everything is downstream of economics. When people are doing well and feel secure about their futures, they are a lot less likely to fall for scapegoating tactics. That's why the 1% work so hard to divide us along racial, ethnic, gender and sexuality, because they know that if we unite on class issues, they are done. I just finished reading a broad historical overview of the 19th century, from the French Revolution to the beginning of WWI, and it is striking how much that hundred year period is defined by the struggle to foster and expand class consciousness, and use that solidarity to FORCE the elites of Europe to give up more and more power to the masses. That's why the rich and powerful have worked so incredibly hard since the end of WWII to destroy that sense of working class solidarity by breaking us up into more easily managed groups. No. We are the working class, the proletariat, and we need to recognize that core fact.
Cenk has moved to the right because of ONE issue: trans rights.
Then tell Ana that she doesn
t get every right she is entitled too as a human being and one little loss of a right is okay to make things comfortable for the majority. How about telling her she can't wear makeup. It's just a tiny little thing and it's no big deal. Tell her that she should have less than every other right.
Nope! Never settle for less than full equality and don't accept crumbs. On a global scale. all women and indigenous people have been labelled crazy radicals in the fight! Do you have any idea how WW11 helped with indigenous rights because some countries were so stunned and disgusted with American soldiers thinking our black and brown soldiers shouldn't be allowed to be in their bars?
LEAVE TYT, DON'T SUPPORT THEM AS THEY ARE A CENTER RIGHT TERF NETWORK!
I have to say, this conversation turned me off even more. I would have a lot more respect for Cenk if he could admit he made some mistakes, rather then condescend to the audience for their quote-unquote mis-understanding and mis-interprtations.
Can you explain the drama? The only thing im hearing from this is some people are mad at Cenk for talking to magatards and not supporting sex change surgery for illegals.
What mistakes? Don't see any on cenk's side, only other liberal hosts from other shows attacking him and saying he turned right just because disagreeing on little issues🙄
What mistake? All I see are mistakes made by those other show hosts labeling him as turning right just because they disagree on certain issues and because he didn't choose to take the hostile stance towards the other side
@@weihanwang One mistake is engaging in right-wing rhetoric (e.g. radical leftist) in discussions with actual radical right-wingers (i.e. Glenn Beck). If you are giving people like Glenn Beck ammunition then you are on the wrong side of the argument.
I used to watch tyt, but Cenk and Anna have changed so much, and i just unsubscribed. Goodbye.
Cenk makes total sense. He has been saying the same thing for years.
Decades even...
@@herbertlang3934 when did he ever take corporate money before and promote gambling? This is new stuff he won’t address.
Corruption comes from money sources. That’s what Cenk has taught us. You can’t gas light us all now…
@@brandynmayo I understand your concern with poly market. I've got the same concerns but it hasn't changed his overall positions on most issues. Guys like dore and Rubin took the corp cash and completely changed their entire ideologies. THATS the difference and what is most important
Interesting. I thought he just said Sam Seder was a grifter just recently. Never knew he was saying that for years.
@@rpena0899 Cenk's a Capitalist. Capitalism is a RW-system. Thus, Cenk is a RWer, whether or not he's (a)intelligent enough to comprehend it or (b)honorable enough to admit it. He's not someone to take seriously.
This is channel is pretty much dying. Look at the view it gets compared to other progressive channels. Cenk had to figure out someway to try to stay in business, so they moved more towards the center and embraced non-progressive positions. Cenk and Ana thought this would lead to the same type of windfall that others like Dave Ruben and Jimmy Dore have gotten. However, they were not well received because they were perceived as insincere. Now, TYT is is much worse shape than before.
Well 80%+ are moderates in the US. Its not a political party war, its a class war, and having spent 25+ years living in 6 countries that were dictatorships, until Americans realize that its about class, they will sink into the fascist black hole with almost no chance on getting out. Trust me, Ive lived and breathed what you guys have coming.
You may be right, I'm not sure, but I'll acknowledge that I now watch them a lot more than I used to and I think their "movement toward the center" is a big part of it. So their strategy seems to have worked on me. However I don't know if it is a movement towards the center that has drawn me in, or if it is their rejection of left-wing puritanism. Probably both, but only the latter is necessary.
What non progressive positions have they embraced?
Cenk's a Capitalist. Capitalism is a RW-system. Thus, Cenk is a RWer, whether or not he's (a)intelligent enough to comprehend it or (b)honorable enough to admit it. Corporatism & Fascism are farther RW-systems, and Cenk is getting cozy with Corporatists & Fascists.
Kamala, Biden, Obama, Pelosi & Schumer are Capitalists/Coprporatists.
Cheney, Trump, McConnell, Johnson, & BushJr are a Corporatists/Fascists.
Nooo. 🙄 Thanks. 😒 🤮
Cenk's a Capitalist. Capitalism is a RW-system. Thus, Cenk is a RWer, whether or not he's (a)intelligent enough to comprehend it or (b)honorable enough to admit it. Corporatism & Fascism are farther RW-systems, and Cenk is getting cozy with Corporatists & Fascists.
Kamala, Biden, Obama, Pelosi & Schumer are Capitalists/Coprporatists.
Cheney, Trump, McConnell, Johnson, & BushJr are a Corporatists/Fascists.
Nooo. 🙄 Thanks. 😒 🤮
If this was the Daily Wire Jordan would have been fired by now. Cenk is willing to converse
But not with his real critics, which at this point is all the independent left media echo system (in addition to everyone at TYT except for Ana). Looks like it’s a “me” (i.e., Cenk and Ana) problem more than a “you” (everyone else) problem.
Yeah, tell me when he and/or Ana go on the vanguard, majority report, secular talk, breaking points, etc. instead of conservative networks.
Keep blaming your audience instead of taking accountability lol, we see right through yalls new lil right wing grifty grift.
The subs are dropping! Love it!
Debating with your employee doesn't count. Actually it's a b move. Have a real left wing critic on.
Well said! They won’t have a conversation with Sam Seder but will play Patty cake with right wing extremist Glen Beck. A total betrayal of the Left.
I would say debate those who voiced concern about TYT's pivot like John and Fran. That way, Cenk couldn't strawman anyone. But still, a punk move from Cenk.
he tried that but it was mostly Cenk just screaming at his nephew
Cenk literally debated the largest leftist commentator on the internet not too long ago.
I ended my subscription after the “Venezuela gang” story. I didn’t mind not agreeing with you guys 100% of the time, but propagating an outright lie is something different, Cenk and Ana. When will you issue a correction on this story?
What did they lie about? Because in Colorado some residents were facing problems with gang violence?
Exactly this! I still watched and shit talked Ana half the time lol but once they propagated that story- the line was crossed. Lost my respect completely with that one. It's been proven to be a hoax story and STILL no redaction and I heard Kasparian just doubled down not long ago on it? To at the same time shame Fox for the propagating the Eating Cats and Dogs story and not see their own hypocrisy- just cringe, man. What are they even doing??
From AP News:
"Updated 1:04 AM GMT, December 21, 2024
DENVER (AP) - Eleven people, including some members of a Venezuelan gang, are facing potential criminal charges in connection with the violent abduction and beating of a couple this week at an apartment complex in a Denver suburb, police said Friday.
From USA Today:
"Nineteen individuals have been detained for allegedly torturing two people during a home invasion at an Aurora, Colorado apartment complex that received national attention when President-elect Donald Trump claimed it was being taken over by a Veneuzlen gang.
Police's preliminary investigation indicates a man and woman were approached by 13 to 15 armed individuals around 8:45 p.m. on Monday, Chief Todd Chamberlain said during a news conference on Tuesday. The two individuals were taken "against their will" to an adjoining apartment at Edge at Lowry where they were bounded, pistol-whipped, beaten and "terrorized," according to the chief.
On Tuesday, Chamberlain said his department was in the process of writing search warrants for all the locations involved, particularly at the Edge at Lowry Apartments. Police are also trying to identify the suspects and "what actions they were involved in," according to the chief.
Chamberlain said it appears that the victims and detained individuals are immigrants from Venezuela and that this was a "gang incident." He applauded the victims' courage for not fearing the gang and for coming forward and calling the police.
@tompriceusmc it's interesting you're quoting from an ABC article and not from AP coverage of this directly because if you DID quote from AP you would read yourself that claims relating the Venezuelan gang are "unsubstantiated allegations" at this time.
Love the vanguard. Thanks for showing me who y'all really are. So many years i watched y'all. Sad how you wasted my time supporting you.
Vanguard are grifters too😂😂😂
Ana’s birthing person tweet was not offensive but it was a non sequiter.
Ok but Ana does go on those right wing shows and play footsie she doesn’t disagree or go to push leftist ideas.. she goes and cuddles up with them..
6 million subscribers and 69k views????!! It makes sense to run to the right. So yes we get it Cenk Dore
@@luispizarro3121 Cenk Dore 😂😂
If they have THAT much subscribers, they are fine...
@@Independent365 getting 1% views is not a good thing if you know anything about you tube. They have been getting g 20k views in a regular basis which is even worse. So don’t be surprised if TYT tanks in the near future
You can hear almost in his tone that he is gone. Just like the rest of those who’ve sold out.
This was so pathetic. The guy was clearly scared of pissing off his boss too much. He was totally mealy mouthing.
Totally agreed. Fran would be better here.
The “you’re fired” joke was tired before he said it the first time.
@@daquandavis3841 I don't think so. She has even admitted she is scared of getting fired by Cenk.
It’s hilarious to see how Cenk and Ana are unwittingly following the same ‘I left the Left’ arch as Rubin and Dore. Everyone should unsubscribe.
And gain millions more.
I’m Republican. Cenk Uygur, I applaud you for the last eight years I believe that we can disagree and have a beer afterwards, we can disagree totally, and still shake hands.
I was a democrat and I guess in my heart maybe I still am but the party that I could see on TV deserted me called me a racist and said I was deplorable garbage.
Watching you on Amfest 2024 with Charlie Kirk to me was the beginning of a new era an era of acceptance of fighting for what we both believe in and still having a beer for the things we don’t!!Congratulations I applaud you and I now follow you!! my mother always told me that we should have different avenues of input and that’s what freedom of speech is all about, and I have always lived by it since I was very young!!
This is the kind of trash that tyt appeals to now
Cenk's a Capitalist. Capitalism is a RW-system. Thus, Cenk is a RWer, whether or not he's (a)intelligent enough to comprehend it or (b)honorable enough to admit it. Corporatism & Fascism are farther RW-systems, and Cenk is getting cozy with Corporatists & Fascists.
Kamala, Biden, Obama, Pelosi & Schumer are Capitalists/Coprporatists.
Cheney, Trump, McConnell, Johnson, & BushJr are a Corporatists/Fascists.
Nooo. 🙄 Thanks. 😒 🤮
@@ivnarc6430 Yup. Cenk's a Capitalist. Capitalism is a RW-system. Thus, Cenk is a RWer, whether or not he's (a)intelligent enough to comprehend it or (b)honorable enough to admit it. Corporatism & Fascism are farther RW-systems, and Cenk is getting cozy with Corporatists & Fascists.
Kamala, Biden, Obama, Pelosi & Schumer are Capitalists/Coprporatists.
Cheney, Trump, McConnell, Johnson, & BushJr are a Corporatists/Fascists.
OP would cozy up to corporatists and fascists, too, just like Cenk.
Nooo. 🙄 Thanks. 😒 🤮
Alotta bullshit and hypocrisy being spewed here by Cenk. Sad. Really sad. Yes always had the ego but the ego is clearly the problem here.
Pound sand
I like the direction you’re going. I’m on the left and everything you said was facts. I don’t agree with many positions of others under our tent either and I’m so tired of the most unpopular ideas being the purity test for our party. It’s so annoying because I’ve had so many ppl calling me right wing under my own tent for having day 1 progressive ideas. It’s the twilight zone, and it’s so weird that for some reason people cannot see it for themselves. Like wake up.
same here. This election has been eye popping for me. I always thought the left was accepting and inclusive but it turns out they are just one big entitled circle jerk filled with anger and hatred looking down on everyone else. And they cant seem to get it through their head that they have scared everyone away with their bs moral high ground. South park really hit the nail on the head with the liberals smelling their own farts
@@Diana-si5xn Not everyone is radical. For example, lot of people in my local Green Party that don’t want restrictions on guns besides federal background checks.
@@JosephWolfson I’m pro gun and I’ve always been on the left. Cenk and I would disagree with each other but are both still progressives. I don’t understand why people can’t recognize that. Progressives are not a monolith.
Political parties are put in place to divide us from what the real commonality is between us, class. If we’re fighting each other, then we’re not paying attention or fighting the real corruption and top 1%.
@@FreeloaderTVyou can’t allow them to push you out of the party though and re write what it means to be progressive. That’s why I respect what they are doing here because I’m glad that someone is FINALLY starting to speak out that actually has a megaphone. Most of us average free thinking progressives on the left do not support the direction that many under our tent have been headed( but we aren’t ppl that comment all the time I know I don’t) and they try to push us all out by calling us right wing. I’m a progressive I’m not going anywhere they will move out of the party before I do. And I think distinctions are necessary and Cenk is correct, the progressive brand needs to be reclaimed.
Cenk, debate Frannie and/or John. Jordan was paid a lot as a consultant by your campaign for office.
Frannie revealed that you turned her offer down, which seems to contradict your "3 rules of the internet"
Use to love you guys but you have gone way off course
I liked the talk, but have a bit of feedback on how you could improve still.
Cenk NAILS it when he argues that many people now misconstrue what "progressive" means - this is exactly what I've experienced as well. Jordan then says "Well ok, I disagree." and doesn't bother to even explain what part of that he disagrees with or why. This seems a little unreasonable, like it was based on a feeling rather than analytical reasoning.
Jordan makes a great point about the words Cenk uses to describe people who basically have a tribal bias toward what they perceive as leftist ideology. Cenk defends and explains what his thought process was, but doesn't concede at all that Jordan is right and that he might consider his point. I think this is a product of the habit of argumentation, but that learning to give a little bit of consideration to the points of others would make you seem more reasonable to more people. It can help you because you will then be using this constructive feedback as a way to improve yourself.
Jordan, while his argumentation is generally improving, tries to do a "gotcha" argument about gender-affirming care being covered if we had Medicare for all, which is based on a false premise. No insurance company would cover an elective or non-mandatory procedure. I didn't like that argument, or that Cenk didn't push back.
For the terminology, what about something like "pragmatic progressives" (like Jordan seems to identify as) vs "ideological progressives" (which may have more rigid ideological positions), or if you want to emphasize the differences in groups on the left maybe "left populists" (for populist economic reform) vs "left culturalists" (cultural or identity focused progressives), or if you really want to drive the point home, "policy-first left" vs "identity-first left" (this gets to the heart of the distinction, as the former prioritizes structural policies that benefit the masses vs the later keeping identity centered policies top of mind, like trans atheletes in sports).
With regard to the "haters", you guys are 100% correct that they are trying to farm views. It's pathetic; you know it, I know it, everybody knows it. Ana and Cenk, I hope you can take these things with less intensity because you are truly great people. This stuff is going to happen, especially as you grow. Keep doing exactly what you're doing, you guys are on the right track.
Exactly
Insurance companies definitely cover elective surgeries
THIS.
THIS.
THIS.
Cenk and Anna - biggest disappointments of 2024 by a county mile. Unsubscribed.
Subcribing was free so is unsubscribing. You want a medal ?
@@TaeglicheNarzisst😂😂😂
Cenk didn’t move. The movement moved
That's what Bill Maher says too.😂😂😂
@@debbiedoodiedandiIt’s true. The American left has purity spiraled into electoral irrelevance.
He's slimy
And how does that explain Cenk calling Sam Seder a grifter, refusing to explain how he is a grifter, and refusing to debate their differences with Sam?
That's what I'd call a softball interview.
LOL Genk goes on a far-right show to trsh the far-left...
😂😂😂😂😂
I want to see a debate between Cenk Uygur and Sam Seder.
What for? It’s crystal clear that Cenk will not give more support fringe niche zo-zial issues for sex/race/gender groups anymore because most American voters rejected those issues to such an extreme that it could cost Dems the next 2 upcoming elections. Cenk supports M4A, paid family leave, higher wages, etc. but that’s not enough for some people.
It’s a matter of priorities and Sam and Cenk have very different priorities.
@@Structura-c5x I've been seeing videos of both talking about one another and maybe they could set aside their priorities to talk about their differences in strategies, etc
TYT is Center Left.
Nothing wrong with that. Thank you for all the years for giving us an alternative news outlet.
More specifically, he's pretty left on fiscal policy -- the issues that tend to broadly poll well in the left's favor -- while more moderated on social policy, which tends to be much more divisive. So he's the GOOD center left, as opposed to the corporate types.
I mean they call them a progressive news channel - not center left, so that’s at the very least misleading.
@@billiardbob618 you know why that is? Because the left has taken a drastic turn leftward and it's alienated even some of the most staunch progressives, you guys refuse to see the problem.
@@billiardbob618Not misleading, they are extremely progressive on economic issues and more moderate on social issues.
@@Kingwboxing he calls himself that, but just cause he says it, doesn't make it true.
Not even close to a credible exchange of differences. All I saw in this video was Cenk dominating a conversation with an employee of his and offering it up as an “honest debate.”
Yeah I can see that. Have a conversation with Sam Sedar or the Vanguard for actual debate
Or he could have a conversation with tim pool or douche bag on the right and come off as A clear minded leftist@@maxx_thedragondominator
TYT originally helped turn me towards progressive views, its sad to see the hosts spouting the same bigotry and self centered ideologies as the far right, but refusing to acknowledge how far they have fallen.
I haven’t seen any tyt spouting bigotry videos
You are coping
Please quote the part where Cenk is being bigoted.
@@purpasmart_4831 nah, just unsubscribing
@@laurentbergeronmusic Just off the top of my head, him agreeing with "transgender surgeries for illegal immigrants" or "surges of Guatamalan criminals taking over apartments" both of which where fox news hoaxes.
You can’t be Muslim and atheist, Cenk!!!
He knows that. He saying he was born Muslim but left the religion and turned atheist
No group is going to agree 100% on all policies no matter what party they’re in…so you don’t need to call people extreme left to distinguish yourself, it only creates divide where it isn’t necessary
This “cohost” gave no pushback and let cenk craft narratives around these criticisms unimpeded . This is propaganda.
It really is
Let’s talk to Glen Beck, but Sam Seder is a grifter, and I won’t talk to him… Gimme a break! I think Cenk is still a progressive, but Ana?… At this point, after she said on Piers Morgan that maybe she was to tough on Rubin, I wouldn’t be surprised if she cozied up with Tulsi!
If you don't go on right wing shows, how can the left fight back. I don't want to be in an echo chamber. I love TYT.
I used to believe this but I honestly think it just doesn’t change anyone’s mind because the viewers are there for confirmation bias. They’re not interested in changing perspective.
Agree. Engage the right. Support populist ideas. I'm in. But don't refuse to engage some on the left including Sam Seder. It makes no sense. Also a longtime fan of TYT and don't intend to leave just because the hosts are willing to debate and challenge right wing hosts.
@@toph8298 Left wingers also want confirmation bias. Most of us want confirmation bias.
@@tcdan-c2m Don’t necessarily disagree. At this point I’m convinced it’s just entertainment.
My favorite moments with Cenk and Ana were hearing them talk about the contrast of ideals and not accepting "both sides" or "agree to disagree" when it comes to fascism, white supremacy, and anti-democracy. Is that all gone?
Well, they kind of made up all the stuff about Nazis and fascists in the first place.
@jmack8767 Not really? I saw all that myself. Nick Fuentes, Charlie Kirk, Tucker Carlson, Putin, Trump, those people do actually exist.
There are countless viewers, such as myself, that have been admirers of your and your network’s work for years Cenk. We stand with you and the TYT family.
FACTS
Cenk will "go toe to toe" with one of his employees, but he refuses to go toe to toe with Sam Seder.
He won't do it with Frannie/John (about specific topics)
100%! Cenk needs to debate Sam Seder! Also - thank you for being a fellow vegan. Vegan for the animals!
@@MonkeyPlantain Nobody needs to debate Sam Seder. The word "grifter" is so very over used now days, and there's very few people who it actually applies to. There are some actual grifters on the left and right, Sam is one of them. We've all seen his debates before, it's impossible for him to have honest discussion.
It's not that you are speaking to the right,it's what you guys are saying against the left. Mainly Ana. She is the reason why I stopped being a paid member.
Glad Jordan called out the Vanguard for their drama grift. Low life political Keamstar wanna be's.
I had been feeling gaslit by a lot of TYT coverage for many months before I first canceled my membership and then immediately after the Venezuelan gang propaganda, I had no choice but to unsubcribe and tune out for good. I never thought id see such blatant propaganda on this channel but there it was! It was after all this I came across the Vanguards coverage on TYT's pivot. All I can say is THANK YOU, THE VANGUARD!!- they broke down everything i had experienced as a viewer so perfectly and I think it's great that they are a channel specifically taking on the task of holding media accountable and calling BS out when needed. Calling the Vanguard "a grift" is just projection from this network. Those boys are fighting the good fight. ✊️
@@asterrisk36the Vanguard are the most toxic TH-camrs on the left, their whole business model is to focus on and enhance drama within "The Left", they make money by fanning the flames. Also I haven't forgotten when they were kissing Dore's feet when it was already clear what that grifter was doing
As an Aussie it's fascinating that what the Americans call the "radical left" is what most developed western nations already are. We have a decent minimum wage (with an automatic increase every year), socialised healthcare and education, social security etc. We get good benefits in relation to medical time, family time and annual holidays etc as a standard thing. These benefits are not tied to a job, they are provided through the government and have been for decades. Our systems are struggling not because they're bad but because they're badly managed. They aren't funded enough or in the correct way. Other countries do it better and some worse but it is the norm to have this your if society -- even when we have our version of a right wing government, which is nothing like your gop it's more like the old style Dems.
I would live to have a system thats along the lines of some Nordic countries but thats a way off for us, we do still have some classism here.
One good thing here is that while some struggle and live in shelters or on the streets, it is a very, very small percentage of our society.
"Radical left" means different things to different people, even in the US.
Some people think it's referring to social economic policies, but that's typically the uninformed and people of bad faith.
The real definition seems to have more to do with social issues, e.g. third wave feminism, anti-gun policy, an extremely soft stance on low-level crime, pro-trans and pro-lgbtq+ policies.
The second group represents the one Cenk is fine with not defending vehemently
None of that is radical left, thats just centrist liberal views 😂
@MarkZielonko maybe because it's so normal here I didn't even think to mention the social issues that you did. Yes in a lot of western countries the lgbtqia community still has a ways to go and very few countries have worked out the prevention (lessening) of crime and how to reverse a person to not reoffend. Australia is not good on the crime and punishment thing but is doing a little better in regards recividism. Our main issues now are more on domestic matters like abuse of women and doing better by our first nation people. The point being that while we're not a patch on the Nordic countries, we are much further along the progressive path than the US. Because there is so far for your country to go and with everything I've spoken of is lumped under the title of "radical" and associated with communism and marxism. It's quite saddening because it's holding you back from having the basics of a left society let alone what your country sees as "progressive".
@@kasahadragon9499 Yeah... The right wing has been incredibly effective at lumping the commonly held values and socially far-left content together, and it's driven such a wedge... The common right winger has basically been trained to bulk ignore any left wing policy. I think that's what Cenk is trying to chip away at with his new strategy.
@MarkZielonko
that's my theory too.
Jordan says he “doesn’t agree”, but doesn’t explain why and doesn’t answer to any of Cenk’s points (very common sense stuff). People like Jordan have really damaged and continue to damage the leftist movement with their unreasonable, disingenuous, and all-or-nothing attitude with policy positions they know are unpopular. He said trans issues were not central, but they were. Every other republican and every conservative host would talk about it. To deny it as a large part of why democrats lost is a bad attempt at gaslighting. yes trans people ARE valid and deserve the same rights afforded to anyone else, most people do agree with that. most will never agree anyone deserves free cosmetic surgery (especially detained illegal immigrants), but the fact that Jordan is standing by that is just telling, he is willing to let democrats and leftists lose (along with all of our desperately needed economic policy, and any chance at all for progressive social policy) if it means we’ll all be fighting in vain for an issue that will never be won on. It’s not only self-defeating and stupid, but incredibly selfish.
Facts !!!!!!!
Because he argues like most id politics proponents do - in bad faith and with a focus on non-issues most people find irritating to hear about, let alone waste time discussing. All to the detriment or legitimate progressive issues - healthcare, fair wages, anti-imperialism etc.
Big facts!!!
Well said, imho.
The fact that both Cenk and Ana are still tap dancing around the accusations and doing so in a condescending, "we don't see our viewers as wise enough to the game" tone is disappointing
Their downfall is of their own making and instead of taking some form of accountability they just act like there is nothing to see and cry victim
I love that Jordan touched on the “extreme left” stuff. Thats 100% Cenk, there is no such thing as extreme left.
Really, there’s no such thing as a radical left ? Hmm tell me more….
Hasan literally thinks abortions should be legal even at 9 months, WITHOUT a medical necessity.
4:25 How is someone’s (anyone’s) identity a small matter though? That’s not progressive thinking at all 😭
Liberals are sick of the woke shit.
@@peaceandllovlmao! I love a dumb fuck who thinks just because Trump won, this means that the majority have conservative views. Half the country doesn't vote, and dems lost because they ran to the right. The base didn't show up. Republican light doesn't sell to the base.
@@peaceandllov you’re not sick of dumbass white men billionaires bending you over though, huh?? Just so your eggs can be $0.50 and you can get your stock returns.
@@soccjock7434 You think people who don't vote view trans people positively?
I see a lot of personal attacks and little direct engagement in these comments.
Yeah… I find Cenk and Ana mostly reasonable and progressive but the comments are always 70% spewing hate at them as far right grifters or some such ludicrous hysterics, and 10% are right wingers saying ‘Mwahaha come over to our side’, just because they actually talk to the right and have any nuance at all
My biggest problem is that you have a Co host who says she's afraid to talk to people of color then when when Mondale left and explained his reasons why, she plays the typical right wing card of let me find a black person who agrees with me and post it on my substack for cover. My issue is that you see that the overwhelming majority of African Americans voted for Kamala Harris and instead of looking into the reason why, it seems like you on the main show chalked it up to "well we just voted for her because she's black" and instead focused on the small group of African Americans who voted for Trump. Another issue is that any time there's a story regarding something a republican did, you will go out of your way to both sides it. For example when that comedian at the Trump rally said what he said about Puerto Rico, some how the discussion became about Kamala Harris (well Ana made it about Kamala Harris)
With regards to going on right wing media, to Cenk's credit he does fight back. Ana as of late does not. All she does is go on those shows and criticize the left. Of course a right wing audience is going to find agreement with that.
I agree with almost everything you said accept the African Americans Voting for Kamala she was equally bad as Trump just in different ways. I 100% agree with your comment about Ana she gets more excited and is always so anxious to condemn Democrats and I am an Independent and I see this.. Ana’s reporting is unfair because it’s imbalanced.
@@jt9096let's see how equal bad they are when those taxes go up. When you have to pay more for things because of tariffs. When protection for workers get removed. When outward racism is increase
She’s entitled to her view points, that’s human nature, we’re not going to see eye to eye on every situation and that’s ok! Focus on the prize, winning on economic progressive policies.
If you want progressives to still like TYT: Stop angrily talking about things you disagree with the left on and sweetly talking about things you agree with the right on. Not complicated.
@@mcmcmcm6520 unfortunately a lot of people have been attacking them for a few years now. They did a good job ignoring it at first but it's definitely gotten under their skin in a shitty way so they feel like they need to address it.
Cenk has an employee to baby him through these arguments instead of someone who will challenge him. Sam Seder, anyone? Are you scared to debate him, cenk?
Debate about what?
Staring down the barrel of the camera doesnt make it any less ridiculous to tell ppl who are marginalized By their identity WITHIN THE MARGINALIZATION OF CLASS ALREADY, to ignore their identity!!
You dont get to jump between macfo and micro as it suits your argument.
Thank you Cenk! Common Sense Progressive Populist Rationalist! Really grateful for this clarifying conversation. Keep expanding the tent for wins for working class Americans