"Revelations" & "Lovers Walk" (3x7-3x8) | BTVS REACTION
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spike teasingly fake-biting joyce after a break-up hot chocolate just to enrage angel is such a mood 😂
"You're a _very bad man_ ."
I love Joyce and Spike - she treats him just like any other person her kid knows, and he's respected her ever since she knocked him out in 'School Hard' to protect Buffy - such an unexpectedly fantastic combo
Which makes the event sm more heart breaking and how yk who was treated during it
Spike is one of those television characters that unexpectedly hits a chord with the show's fans. Whedon intended him to be a villain that comes in for a couple of episodes and is so evil that the fans will love watching Buffy kill him. But instead the fans loved him and wanted him back. So here he is back again and more evil than ever. He actually almost kills Xander and terrorizes Willow. And the fans still love him.
there's no real mystery about that. james marsters played the character with as much charisma as he could summon. he had kids and was purportedly struggling to provide for them so he needed to make spike someone fans would demand to see on a recurring basis. and none of the show staff ever had him dial it back and play it less likeably.
The reason given for the Cordelia death fake out was to make audiences realize how much they have actually grown to like/love her as a character in contrast with most viewer’s feelings towards her in the earlier episodes of the series. Have to say, it worked pretty well.
I recall at least one reactor saying during the first episode bitterly "I hope she dies" and when they got to this episode, legitimately crying, when she thought Cordelia was actually dead.
@@Logan_Baron As a person who watches many Buffy reactors, that has happened with more than just one, and a few others are on that same path, they just haven't made it to this episode yet.
31:50 Alyson's acting is so underrated in this scene. The tears, the sniffles, the nervous moving of her hands and half listening to Spike while thinking of Xander, it's all great.
She's a great and underrated actress
She emotes really well
Spikes relationship with Joyce is always fun to watch, James Marsters of course continues to kill it in the role
So far, Spike did the most damage to the Scoobies than any other villain this season. Rode in to town, consequently crushed 3 relationships, and then left town in a happy mood.
I also wonder how much the life or death situations that Xander and Willow are constantly in contributed to them wanting a relationship. It's like a constant and persistent suspension bridge effect. I could definitely see myself get more selfish the more danger I'm in. I imagine it's even worse for a teenager.
if you count it in a specific way, he broke up 4 relationships
Spike was unhappy. So he made people he didn't like unhappy. Misery loves company. That's JW's mantra unfortunately.
Another reason to love Spike. He comes and lights every episode up, makes things more interesting. But anyway he didn't do much what wasn't there already. He just pointed it out. He is a catalyst for things that have already started without him.
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i'm sure you think you're saying something, but i'm not seeing it.
@@sirmoonslosthismind You haven't said anything of value, sport. So STFU.
I like that in the beginning, everyone was for the most part happy, and Spike rolls in all miserable. But at the end, everyone else is miserable, and Spike is happy.
Interesting point about Faith's character, Eliza Dushku confirmed at one point that she played Faith as bisexual and having a thing for Buffy. I find knowing that motivation adds something interesting to Faith's choices sometimes.
I also think Faith has never had much in the way of love or of feeling worthy, and that will play a role in how she interacts as well. One of my favourite characters in the whole show 😁
"I may be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it" is my favorite Buffyverse quote. Spike is such a cool character.
Love the Willow/Spike scene. He needs her help so he can't hurt her, but instead opens up to her about the problems he and Dru have been having in their relationship.
Correction. Actually it's understandable to expect the watchers council didn't reach out and let them know. It is in fact NOT actually what they usually seem to do. They didn't reach out about Faith. Giles contacted them, then they updated him on what to do with Faith going forward. They never informed him when Kendra showed up, either time. He didn't even know another slayer had been called. Which didn't directly affect him at the time, but it shows they aren't that big on communication.
In the Buffyverse, authoritarian figures are shown as clueless and inept while the likes of Buffy and Angel have a handle on things. Ironically, the creator of both shows has become the inept authoritarian.
They also just really don't like Giles very much. They think he's too "Americanized" for them.
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those words have actual meanings; they're not just for decorating people you dislike. whedon has "become" no more inept than he ever was, and there's nothing authoritarian about him or his work. he's certainly an asshole, but that's not the same thing by a long shot.
@@sirmoonslosthismind So I dislike him. Big deal. Why don't you stop defending/not defending him because it makes you come out as foolish, pipsqueak?
Cass you have no idea how much these reactions make me (and us buffy fans in general) happy! You're so smart and always take your time to really think about everything that happens, it's so good to see reactions like these. Cant wait for the next one!
I think there is another important watcher for Faith you skipped over; Giles. Giles is a great father figure and mentor. He’s exactly what she needs, and she knows that, and she knows he only has eyes for Buffy. That might be part of the tension between her and Buffy.
Lover's walk is a soul crushing episode, willow and Xander giving in to the temptation that is cheating and Cordelia taking the most of the emotional and physical pain. Also Giles saying you have no respect for me or the job I perform hits hard
Giles' speech _would_ hit me hard if only he didn't call Angelus"Angel". The moment he did,he lost 100% of credibility to me. You canNOT speak of Angel&Angelus as if they are the same person!ANGELUS tortured you,NOT ANGEL!You can't blame _Angel_ for what _Angelus_ did to you!X-[[[
@@Nicamon Easy for you to say when you're not the one getting tortured. Giles knows the difference intellectually, but given everything that happened to him in S2 making that separation emotionally is asking a bit much.
@@andrewcarter9649 The fact is that none of the characters EVER made the distinction for the whole S2!They always called Angelus"Angel"like there was no distinction. This is just the umpteenth example.X-[
@@Nicamon I disagree with you. It's not like Angelus and Angel are two different people, they are not. Angel remember things he did as Angelus and Angelus remember things he did as Angel. They ARE the same person, just different versions of the same person.
And everybody is concern not because they don't like Angel (everybody except Xander hahahha), but because they are the same person, it's a dangerous situation, and should be approached with care. The fact that Buffy hid that from her watcher makes him mad. And to add to that, there's aaaall the emotional trauma attached to it. The fact that he doesn't use the "correct" name doesn't affect the speech, not to me at least.
@@PauloCesarLira5 The point is not that they _remember_ what the other does,the point is that _they wouldn't do it themselves!_ Angel can REMEMBER what Angelus does,but he would never DO it and viceversa...it's literally like having 2 different people sharing 1 body.
"it's a dangerous situation"This is true,but,again,not because Angel&Angelus are the same person..just because they share the same body. If there was a spell able to split them,the problem would cease to exist. Take Pete from ep 3x04,for example..he too has a"monster version"and a"human version"but they are BOTH bad..the monster is simply physically stronger but splitting them wouldn't solve the problem because,even without the monster,Pete would _still_ be an abusive boyfriend. This is not Angel's case.
"The fact that he doesn't use the "correct" name doesn't affect the speech, not me me at least."To me it does,at least partially. I'm not saying what Giles said isn't valid,but he shouldn't blame ANGEL for something that ANGELUS did. If he used the name Angelus the meaning of the speech would have been exactly the same..actually,if I was Buffy I _could_ have replied:"ANGEL didn't torture you:ANGELUS did! He's not Angelus anymore,you can't blame HIM!"and the discussion could have gone on without a doubt,but the point is.. blaming Angel for what Angelus did IS WRONG and Buffy _could_ have taken advantage of that. The fact she didn't doesn't mean Giles was right!
It’s only 7 seasons long. I like that you pointed out that Spike sees things and points them out fully. Also I think you forgot that Spike killed 2 slayers before he came to Sunnydale.
Spike continuing to be one of my favorite characters.
41:22 Not all vampires are the same, even without a soul. In regards of Dru - don't forget that Angelus drove her insane before turning her. Of course that leaves its mark.
Not all vampires are the same,but if you behave 100% like a human either you're not a souless vampire or you're a walking plot hole. You can be _similar_ to a human,but not _identical_ otherwise what is the point in having a soul at all if you can't distinguish the 2 things?!?
@@Nicamon It varies, but most vampires are similar to the people they used to be in a lot of key ways, just minus the ability to make moral choices.
@@Talisguy "just minus the ability to make moral choices."That's the point.
SPOILER
Spike makes *a lot of those* before getting a soul.
@@Nicamon I disagree. I'll just leave it there.
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This is the greatest Buffy reaction series I have ever seen. The analysis, the attention to detail, the plot points...everything is awesome. I can't wait for every new video.
Spike making faces behind Joyce kills me
Spike the greatest character in The Buffyverse! Was great to see him back here. Lover's Walk another super episode keeping up the great quality of S3. All the relationships here are having problems Angel/Buffy, Spike/Drusilla and the Oz/Willow/Xander/Cordelia situation. Spikes monologue was very true regarding Buffy and Angel he really nailed it there. You can really see how the writing is now much more intense in that it really delves into the Psyche of each characters emotions. Season 3 is just banger after banger after banger!
You know, I agree. I love Spike so much! In every episode when he shows up he lights up the story. Without him it's just so... grey and dark. Even when he's sad and unhappy he is still more interesting than half of the rest storylines. Lot of it barely touch me, I can't even bring myself to watch some in full.
Oh, and I remember I wanted Spike to try smth with Willow after moments like that. They had couple of scenes and that would be really interesting to see more, how it can influence her and him also. She is a quiet good girl and he is a bad guy. But extremely sensitive one. Who is not like most of vamps and he actually can feel things. That's exactly what we see here. And Willow can actually notice it too, what's deep inside since she is this kind of girl who pays attention to such.
And by the way, Drusilla told him that he is not enough of a demon for her, too soft. That's again a reminder to people who want to forget it. Who only use this 'he's souless' thing over and over again. And plot sometimes forget what they did earlier too. And what does he want to do at the end by the way? He wants to show her that he can be a demon, for her to love him again. But it's not exactly him. He just really wants to bring her back. People often don't pay attention to it, they just remember that he went to find her and do things. But they don't see deeper.
Enjoyed your reactions to these episodes. I agree, the scene with Spike & Joyce is comedy gold.
I always wondered what Faith was going to say to Buffy in that moment and now reflecting maybe she was going to say “I trust you” and chose not to be vulnerable
I have the same response as you to miscommunication and secret-keeping scenarios: They get me so uncomfortable! Fortunately, we have Spike to solve it all. You have perfectly identified him as a Truth Teller. He cuts through all the frustrating crap and lets people know how things *really* are. The 'love's bitch' speech is a great example.
Spike's not really a Truth Teller so much as a very perceptive Shit Stirrer. He'll do it with truth bombs if he can, because they sting more, but it's a mistake to think he's always honest.
Wow, some of these shot in the dark predictions are... _literally_ hard to believe.... 😶
The weird friendship between Spike and Joyce in this episode is oddly sweet and wholesome.
When Giles scolds Buffy, I think his insecurities from Ms. Post are playing into his words. She questioned him and showed him up. So it's true that Angel did all that but I think it was a combination of factors leading to his harsh words.
His words may have been harsh, but deserved. An argument could be made for Angel being back not being anyone else's business if Buffy didn't want to tell it, but Giles is her Watcher. Leaving him in the dark about something so important was seriously disrespectful.
Cass, I love your observation about Post's arms often being hidden during "Revelations". That was definitely some foreshadowing and I never caught it before. Well done!
Joss Whedon and his trauma kink, wrote this for Cordelia after learning that Charisma Carpenter had survived this same injury as a child. Like, she's been impaled clean through before, I bet she'd love to act it. Lol. Her real life stomach scar is visible in a future episode, but because you weren't allowed to have flaws in this time in Hollywood, it is airbrushed out of things like her Playboy spread.
That's so horrible I didn't know that☹️
Okay. For what it's worth here is my take on Xander and Willow cheating on Cordelia and Oz. I think that both Xander and Willow are nerds. And part of them being nerds is that they are just slightly less mature in matters of relationships ... even teen relationships. Plus, both of them have suffered from very low self-esteem and both had almost no confidence in the area of love until very recently. Both of them finally having a significant other has given them a bit of a confidence boost. And that may have been enough to push their already close friendship towards something more, though decidedly temporary. I think that even if they hadn't been caught their flirtation wouldn't have lasted much longer. It's more of a delayed experimentation that was probably a long time coming. It's just very unfortunate that I happened while they were with other people. Of course they have agency and should have made better choices. But they are teenagers, and as already noted, slightly immature and inexperienced, even compared to other teens.
1) I don't think Xander's a nerd. 2) Just because you're not popular in high school, it doesn't mean you can't have mature relationships. The Xander/Willow fling comes from not appreciating what someone has when they get it.
Spike rolling back into town just to cause chaos and hang out with Joyce is iconic behaviour tbh. He's such a pathetic loser and we love him for it. 🥰
The title "Lovers Walk" is taken from the name of an Elvis Costello song. Apparently Joss Whedon is a Costello fan, since he also uses another Costello song title for a future episode, as well as quoting some of his lyrics at another point. (I'm an Elvis Costello fan, too 😎).
Angel just natrually has this innate darkness that Spike lacks. You will find out more.
i get SO excited when i see a buffy video from you!!! gonna watch rn ❤
Heads up the Mutant Enemy Logo at the end of the credits changes in funny ways for certain episodes. The first change was in Becoming Part II, the second is Season 3 episode 10, Season 3 episode 22, Season 6 episode 7, Season 7 episode 16, and Season 7 episode 22.
Your invention of the whole Giles/Post romance plotline was hilarious!
Joss Whedon has actually talked about Spike and how as a vampire, he's an anomaly. He shouldn't be able to but he is actually in love with Dru. He shouldn't be able to love at all. Yet he does.
If you listen closely to what the priest says you can hear him say "He" during the funeral speech.
the fakeout with Cordelia and the funeral is brilliant, hilarious and cruel
"You're not friends.
You'll never be friends.
You'll be in love till it kills you both.
You'll fight and you'll shag and you'll hate each other till it makes you quiver, but you'll never be friends.
Love isn't brains, children.
It's blood.
Blood screaming inside you to work its will.
*I may be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it.* "
Joss wrote it, according to credited writer Dan Vebber
Lover's Walk is one of those episodes Joss rewrote, including the love brains part.
Lover's Walk always breaks my heart. Poor Cordelia. At least there is a fantastic payoff.
I wish.
Hey we got ya back on shorter rest! Let’s go! I love your reviews
There are 7 (tv) seasons of Buffy :)
Spike shows up miserable and leaves happy. Everyone else ends up miserable lmao😂😂
I share your reaction to Cordelia's heartbreak. She tries so hard to appear unaffected and most of the time she succeeds, but here we witness her truly hurt, and it is devastating to watch. I do feel like, as much as I hated it, the cheating storyline is believable and natural. Willow and Xander have been close for so long, and there have been feelings there on both sides in the past, I can see them in a moment of weakness giving into the desire to explore that. And then realizing when the truth comes out, what a HORRIBLE mistake that was. :-/
so we all gasped when she predicted *that* one thing right? 🫢🫢🫢
I don't know what you're talking about yet,but I Liked your comment on the trust.
Faith has been trying to get Buffy to open up about Angel for a little while now but she kept putting it off only to find out that the whole time he was still alive and Buffy was harboring him so I understand why Faith feels hurt and betrayed given that she and Buffy have been doing the bonding thing lately
Willow didn't need to "realize" she wanted Oz, she always wanted Oz and she wanted to NOT want Xander. Mine is a minority opinion, but I think a lot of fans overstate the idea that Willow and Xander were deliberately cheating. Everytime they started to give in to their attraction to each other they'd pull back and want it to stop. Seventeen-year-olds are not known for their self control when faced with ongoing hormone bombs. Could they have done better at resisting temptation? Yes. Were they choosing to abandon their partners in favor of each other? No.
Have I mentioned lately how much I love it when everyone piles on Buffy like they don't know her at all? And, conversely, once you watch the next episodes, you'll see what happens when the shoe's on the other foot (ie, when Buffy has knowledge she could be mean about, aka the wrongness that is/was Willow and Xander cheating).
The fact that the show is objectively better with Spike around is hilarious given the context that Joss Whedon absolutely hated the character of Spike and hated how popular the character was with the fans. James Marsters is truly the GOAT for the franchise.
I love your “faith” in the council.
i already can't wait for the next ep
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Yeah that’s all I’m going to say. (I love your characters analysis also)
The truth about vampires, is that how 'human' they are really varies. Just because Angelus is a Grade-A sadistic psychopath, doesn't mean all vamps (or all demons for that matter) are. Most will obviously let their hunger override whatever morality they do have. But Angelus was especially 'evil' whereas Spike - eh, he's really more interested in causing chaos and doing things for his own gain than actually inflicting pain and suffering just for fun. And obviously internally, he's, shall we say, more....in touch with his emotions than most. He jumps all over the spectrum throughout time, but at his vampiric heart, especially at this point, he is Chaotic Neutral.
"This is about to be a romance." Oh, that is a prediction.
The funeral scene at the end of Lover's Walk was sooooo mean of the writers. Sadists ! I loved Spike making biting mimes behind Joyce's back to taunt Angel.
When this originally aired, it was well publicized that Charisma Carpenter wasn't going to leave the show at this point, so fans weren't really fooled by it, so it wasn't really as mean as it seems.
i love your reactions 🫶🏻🥺 can’t wait for all the things are coming in this season and the rest of the show!!!
@39:47 Xander put himself in the library prison. 🤣
"This is why you should have told him."
Go back and look at Dead Man's Party again. Can you really say it would have gone any better had she done so. Xander would have gone full poisonous, as he always does, and dragged the others with him.
Per established lore, Angel and Angelus are not the same "person." As established in the season 1 ep "Angel" and season 2 "Lie to Me." The vampire is a demon inhabiting the body of the dead human. The season 2 ep "The Dark Age" showed that the demon is essentially imprisoned inside Angel with the human soul in control.
Xander doesn't care that the human (soul) is not the same as the demon. Neither, it would appear, did the Gypsies who created the curse as it's the human soul that suffers, not the demon that actually committed the crimes.
Yes, both demon and human soul are in the same "meat suit," but do they blame Amy for the things her mother did while their bodies were switched?
So, no, there would have been no benefit to Buffy telling the others about Angel's return earlier. It would have just meant another dogpile happening that much sooner.
_Maybe_ telling Giles--the one person who didn't participate in the previous dogpile--would have worked, but considering that he's emotionally invested enough to forget what he knows about the lore (not blaming Giles, that's an understandable reaction, like not being able to stand to look at someone who merely resembles someone who abused you) then I doubt he would have behaved any more sympathetically he'd she done so.
There really was no win for Buffy regardless of what she did.
I have a little more faith in Giles. Part of his reaction was "you have no respect for me or the job I do." He probably wouldn't have been happy that Angel was back - but I think he would have set that aside for a bit in order to figure out the best thing to do about the situation. She should trust him more, he's proven in the past that he can usually deal with bad news in a way that protects or supports Buffy. And he also keeps his criticism in until it is just between the two of them.
@@ernesthakey3396 Maybe. Rven probably. But you gave to look at the information Buffy has to work with. It's not been so long since she was viciously attacked at Dead Man's Party. That's going to color her expectations. It's true that Giles wasn't part of the attacks, but her own mother was. That's not a recipe for trust.
This one had an interesting echo from S1, "Beauty and the Beasts". The ill-fated counselor, while giving advice to Buffy before his demise, used the phrase about love, "well, then you're just its dog." Rumor has it that the network insisted that they tone it down from the actual phrase. In "Lovers Walk", we get Spike letting the actual line rip! "I may be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it." The line is definitely better coming from Spike than from the kindly counselor!
revelations:
I think its important to remember that nobody knew that Angel was cursed again until Buffy tells Willow and Giles. Buffy literally left town I think, not just because she killed Angel but because of the guilt and concern for what he did to her friends and that being the case they couldn't really understand her pain/loss. I think those same feelings resurface when Angel returns from Hell. Even as Angel there's really no telling how they would react and even a strong possibility that Giles would want him gone and that Angel would leave to spare them from the risk of it happening again. Thsg being said I always understood Buffy taking her time with this particular revelation.
As for Xander...I think there's so much nuance and room for interpretation from the moment he leaves Willow in the hospital in becoming pt. 2 to now. Many people hate and/or judge him for lying and to those viewers its completely selfish. On the other hand I think we could argue that it's both. For me its not a stretch of the imagination to assume that Xander lied to protect both Buffy and Willow. Willow can't be harmed doing magics on someone that's already dead (hypothetically) and Buffy from missing her opportunities in the fight while holding out hope. But like I said many interpretations.
Then, I think it's important to consider what Passion of Nerd so kinda pointed out to us, is that Xander wasn't there for the reveal about Angel being cured. it'd possible he knew or assumed because he knew what Willow was doing and he witnessed Buffy and Angel kissing, but it's also possible he didn't know, albeit unlikely. either way he never been good about distinguishing between the two halves of Angel's character. it's also possible that what Xander is really mad about is Buffy keeping the secret and feeling hurt being excluded. People tend to forget how these things can't hurt us more than we like to admit. A lot of people just simplify a lot of Xander's self-righteous/obnoxious behavior down to jealousy, but I really think it's more than that, or at least more than just that. Even if Xander has had feelings for Buffy in prior seasons, I'd say he's pretty occupied to be overly hurt/jealous with the Buffy and Angel drama at the moment. from here though, he tells faith "only what everyone else knows" again kinda of pointing to the secret itself being a problem to him. Then unsurprisingly he wants to witness Faith kill him. which in my opinion is about Xander's moral code, sadly he's not really considering/consulting with others and that is a problem I'm on board with. IMO he hates Angel not out of jealousy but because of what he's capable of. One of the parts that I love is he doesn't let Angel take the fall for what happens to Giles he is able to use logic and reason when needed. He had the choice to not tell Buffy where Faith was going, to gatekeep to keep Buffy distracted if he really wanted Angel dusted, but he confessed, and I personally like giving him credit for at least that.
I think Giles saw or heard Xander and Willow. But it's not his place to get involved in such things. Notice the strategic removal of the glasses to help sell the "didn't see anything" act.
Lover's walk is a top 10 episode of the show in my opinion. The cordelia troll is just epic.
15:45 Faith is a Vampireslayer, Angel is a Vampire. I think it's fairly obvius who'd win in a confrontration. Some Vampires have killed Slayers but Angel never has.
@12:23 This is another scene that causes people to hate Xander. He really wound-up Faith just so he could manipulate her into slaying Angel.
leave Karma alone, she can squeak if she wants to!
The word you were looking for to describe Mrs Post was uptight.
Remember who you were before you turned vampire influences what kind of vampire you are.
I think that's a little spoilery. So far I think all we know is that the demon takes your body but it doesn't get your soul.
Karma appearances are always appreciated.
Re: the end of Revelations, I hate whenever Buffy says "I didn't have a choice." After her very important "you always have a choice" speech in season two's Lie to Me, it comes across as Buffy not believing in her own words. She for suuuuuure had a choice on whether to tell her friends, no doubt about it, and saying she doesn't have a choice sounds like such a lame excuse from her.
25:21 This isn’t the last time that Spike causes that sign to fall 😂
Spike doesn't have a soul, him not caring about eating victims is proof for that, and him and Dru are an epic duo, but Spike is pretty smart when it comes to some things, and he's very motivated by love. Whether that has to do with a soul or not, is a topic for discussion.
You mentioned the zombie from Hocus Pocus. The actor who plays that character, Doug Jones, actually will make an appearance in Buffy in a later episode! Not this season, though.
740 on the verbal was good. 800 is the highest score you can get on the SAT. At the time this was filmed. I heard they changed the scale. Best score is a 1600 combined (verbal and math). For reference, I got a 1450 on my SAT which was more than a couple hundred points higher than the avg score of a Harvard enrollee, So Buffy's score of 1430 would definitely be good enough for any college in the country. A kid in my class got a 1600. He went to Princeton.
Spike is always a good time.
I was so happy they finally hooked up ❤❤❤100
The funeral scene is the biggest troll in tv history 😛
"740? Verbal? I'm, I'm --" "Is that bad?" I believe the scoring system is different now, but I think, at the time, that was out of a maximum possible of 800. Grade equivalents might be something like 800 = A++, 700 = A, 600 = B, and 500 = C, so 740 would have been quite good. (The average score was around 500.)
Hi! This needs adding to the season 3 playlist 😊
It seems the Watcher's Council 1) got too used to thinking of Slayers as just living weapons to order around and 2) as a result has not grown with the times and considering a Slayer has to actually live in society as an adult. Yes, historically the Slayers did not have a long life span but you would think the Council in this day and age would realize that should a Slayer make it past secondary school she would need to have options as far as higher education, earning wages, etc. If they really wanted a 'full time Slayer', as an entity that has been around for centuries they certainly would have the means to support the Slayer with a salary, residence, etc.
Revelations is when you're armed with knowledge.
The reason there was no Dru and we got Spike back and Lover's Walk was that Juliet Landau was unavailable to return, so James Marsters returned for a story and to explain the no Dru the break-up was created and the rest is history. kerk
Post had a point - they take way too long to slay bog-standard vamps.
I understand Giles can't be divorced from his terrible experience with Angelus, but I wish they didn't have to gang up on her *again*. After how they treated her in Dead Man's Party, then learning that she had to kill Angel-with-a-soul, how about some benefit of the doubt. Also, to blame Angel when his choice to be good had been taken from him is awful. Xander makes me sick sometimes. It's not like harmless teenage griping; he literally wants to kill the man Buffy loves due to jealousy. I just feel like saying he trusts her afterwards, that he got a 'little crazy', isn't good enough.
Willow thinking secretly cheating on Oz is sexy. Yuck. Then instead of using willpower, strength of character or care for Oz to control her feelings, she wants to do a spell! I vote keep Oz, lose Willow.
Ah classic Joss Whedon alluding to a Character's death [the funeral misdirect] that does not actually happen
REVELATIONS is a great standard episode. The idea that a Watcher's can be evil is not something you even think about until this episode. They are human so it makes sense.
As for the "hiding Angel" thing, Buffy's wrong, at the very least she should've told Giles, simply out of respect. Xander definitely has jealousy and I often don't like him as a character but his reaction is understandable. They risk their lives with Buffy and she didn't have enough respect to tell them.
LOVERS WALK
Such a great episode. What's interesting here is how Spike introduces the idea that while Vampires have no soul there is a way they love. It's just not like our way of loving. I also love James Marsters in this episode, his comedic charm is high here.
As for the Willow/Xander thing, there was a passion and they were actively trying to stop, they still cheated but it wasn't in the way you made it out to be. They weren't having fun with it. Willow moreso already has feelings for Xander so it makes sense to see her struggling to the point of looking at a spell book.
The thing is neither Xander, Willow, or Cordelia were recruited into paranormal extermination. They volunteered or walked aimlessly into Buffy's world and stayed because their normal lives were mundane.
@@Madbandit77 which is why it's important to remember they have the right to be mad. Xanders immaturity gets the better of him a lot but he too has that right. So while I'm Team Buffy, I'm also Team Fairness and call out each member of the group when they are being unreasonable and Buffy has so far. Her arc with moving away and growing up to show she can mature is knocked down a bit here. It is a further reminder that she's still a teenager but one who has to grow up fast
Ah, they had ya for a seco0nd. Thinking that the funeral was for Cordelia. Donj't feel bad. They had me too. For a few seconds. Nice Post. 👍
Spike doesn't have a soul.
But he has lots of soul.
I wasn't able to comment when she said it, but did she say Giles didn't know Angel lost his soul when he killed Jenny? Because that's super wrong
Cass!! Glad you're back to Buffy! Missed your posts!
Always worth recalling that Angelus was seconds away from killing Xander last season until Dru intervened. It definitely didn’t improve his view of Angel
I still believe Xander's hatred has more to do with Angel than with Angelus,though. He never blamed _Oz_ for being a killer in his wolf form and the fact he aways calls Angelus"Angel" doesn't help his case.X-[
@@Nicamon Who did Oz kill?
@@jspettifer I realized there were SPOILERS in what was about to say,but it doesn't matter because I meant it more in a general way,I wasn't talking about him _actually_ killing someone,but about him being a creature that has the _instinct_ to kill and one you cannot reason with. Just like Angelus.
SPOILERS DON’T LOOK CASS
41:41 GIRLLLLL
No way someone who never watched the show would guess the slow burn enemies to lovers. The more I watch her reactions the more she comes across as someone who has either seen Buffy before or knows Spike and Buffy get together in later seasons. She’s a Spuffy shipper. Lol.
The book of the Bible is called 'Revelation' in the singular, not the plural 'Revelations', in full it is 'The Revelation of John'. Many people make this mistake.
Happy Thanksgiving to you!
An episode I struggle with combined with a favorite episode.
Xander Cheating on Cordy, has to do with his tendency to self-sabotage. He doesn't feal worthy of having good things in his life, and so he tends to sabotage those good things when they happen. Cordy was a good thing in his life, so it was inevitable that he would sabotage that. I won't say anything about Willow cheating on Oz at this time. If I remember though I will discuss it when it is appropriate to do so.
Mrs. Post and Giles love story?😀😄😆😅🤣😂🙂🙃😉😊
11:45 I'm sure Whedon is pushing those buttons intentionally.
There are 7 seasons of Buffy, and you should not make assumptions that any of these characters will survive all 7 seasons.
There were a lot of takes of Post hitting Giles over the head. The gag reel runs them all together. Oh my.
There are only 7 seasons. The 8th season is a comic book, do I don't count ut.
There was no reason for Buffy and Willow to have walked through a cemetery. Totally just to mess with the audience. I don't appreciate that.
I can finally say my Xander/Cordy theory. Xander may have always found Cordelia attractive because he has eyes, but he hated her enough to ignore it. I think Cordelia started to like Xander in Some Assembly Required when she attempted a real thank you. Then her visible reaction to Army Xander putting his jacket on her. Then after they were together and in BBB when she broke up with him, she kept his necklace on under her clothes. The big theory hinges here. He made his spell out of vengeance and never truly took the relationship seriously after that. She thought he did the spell to get her back which increased her feelings. So she was actually in love with him when she saw Xander and Willow kissing. Xandrr never truly had the motivation to stop pursuing Willow. And he has a thing for girks he can have/and/or exist. Thecfirst is Buffyvthen Willow. He doesn't find Willow attractive until she's finally off limits. The later, his instant reaction to pretty much every woman other than Willow when he first sees them (Buffy, the teacher, the Mummy, Faith).
Yay!
I'm always hoping you will post a buffy reaction, I love watching them!