"From the Courage Of Combatants, From the Blood Of the Slaughter, From the Suffering Of the Bereaved, From the Sacrificial Deeds Of the People, Spirit Fruit Will Grow, Will Guide Souls Towards Awareness Of the Spirit, To Find Their Purpose In the Spirit Realm." Rudolf Steiner, taken from "The Lies Of Modern Man" Lecture, Rudolf Steiner Press YT. Dr. Steiners resurgence lately has been incredible to watch. His work imo, is even more relevant in modernity, then perhaps even his own era. I feel a special affinity for the heart of this man and a I feel a strong mysterious familiarity with him, almost as if I knew him prior to discovering his work (I am not a New Age wacko lol). It is the strangest thing, nothing surprises me anymore, except the fact that today, people can have a rigid Atheistic world view and harbor a Materialist ideology, during this era, the time of the Great Unveiling. From my observations, the 1920's Spiritist movement was am extremely important step to the modern human condition and the events which we are all facing. Minds like Tesla, Manly Hall, Jung, Edgar Casey, amongst countless others, I'm seeing a renewed interest and influence as the counter to the Materialistic lack of Spirituality in society today. Introspection is key in this time, he who knows himself, can thus begin to understand others and effect a positive change. Be a part of this crucial time, you were selected to be here right here, right now. Be well
Actually, Steiner encouraged people to question and find out for themselves anything he said. His aim was to make free the individual and their thought life.
he has completely changed my life. it’s astonishing how much progress ive made from his work compared to most others. he was truly a highly enlightened being, hundreds of years ahead of his time
marko m. they ARE less evolved at living in Europe where we are at home. Blacks are perfectly adapted at living in Africa, we are perfectly evolved at living in Europe. There is nothing racist about seing our differences.
marko m. There's nothing inherently wrong about the acknowledgement that not all things and beings are in the exact same state. No one feels any antagonism when it is said that one chemical element is slightly more refined than another, why would it suddenly be so when the implication is made that the subraces of mankind aren't enterily equal in every regard.
Love for humans? Even his claim that we should eliminate the soul from the human through vaccination? slowerase.com/2021/01/eliminate-the-soul-with-medicine/
Thank you very much Matt. It is an entirely different experience to hear his lectures read by another than to read them oneself. I really enjoyed this fresh delivery.
excelent reading matt, very interesting and thought provoking. I feel as if it cast light on my long standing direct perception of these forces throughout my life.
Nice, I am considering going to the Waldorf training program here in San Fran. It is sort of my backup plan if I can't teach at the university level. Maybe I'll teach your (future) kids!
Really? How'd you like it? One of my professors (Robert McDermott, author of "The Essential Steiner") turned me onto his work about a year ago. He's definitely shifted my perspective on a number of things.
Steiner was a contemplator of the Biblical scriptures and had much to say about the Christ, and the 4 gospels, particularly the first chapter of John. The scriptures make the astounding (to me) assertion that the lamb was slain from the foundation of the world (the revelation 13:8). I'm not putting forth a theory on evil here, just saying that this scripture presented itself to my consciousness in steinerian fashion, as I listened to this lecture, as something to ponder.
Pertinent to the title of this video, I believe, is the Rudolf Steiner Audio series of lectures titled "From Jesus to Christ", most specifically (and pointing to that portion of content about which could be cautioned: "spoiler alert"), the last 10 minutes of the last lecture (lecture 10). However, I don't consider this an actual "spoiler", because such concepts must be arrived at "line upon line, precept upon precept" (as the Bible says) and by allowing such thoughts and feelings "to work upon one" over days, weeks, months, years, lifetimes..." (as Steiner says).
If there were not evil, we would all be angels on clouds. I suppose evil could be justified if it was all part of a plan. Rumi talked of us being stone, then vegetable, then animal, then human. He said he would progress from human to angel, to something greater than angel. If everybody's evolution is predestined, evil would eventually just be a bad memory (probably not a memory at all) and wouldn't ''matter.'' Traditional Christianity does poor job of ''justifying'' suffering, to my mind.
Great to hear this. Steiner's is one sharp mind. The evil as a "natural method" view resonates with Aurobindo. I'm wondering if this has shaped your personal views on Evil. Thanks Matt.
Rudolf Steiner's ideas and philosophy have planned a major part in shaping who I am as a human being.Anthroposophy has been such a force for good in my life,not through controlling me,or by becoming a set of beliefs and dictates by which I have to live,but by showing me how to live as a free person.Thanks for the video Matt.(weemarkey's partner)
The idea to record this read was good. However the background noise makes one quickly tired and hinders to concentrate on the words. Would be nice to record the voice without any additional sound. Look forward to listening to the text with just your voice on. Please, let me know when you’ve done that. Kind regards, Yuriy
Steiner was a great spiritual teacher, & had only love to all humans. He once met with Herzl & had jewish friends too he wasnt racist at all, you should read some of his wonderful books & learn his open & very tolerant & containing views.He believed that in 1 life you can be jewish, in other life german, arab, etc.... so it doesnt really make sense to hate on a racial basis...
" in the light of truth " by abdrushin gives clear explanation on the topic of how evil came into material worlds. İ understood that evil came into material worlds as humanity started gradually to rely purely on his intellect and slowly moved away from relying on his spiritual insight. İn time he set the intellect above his living spirit. Relying only on intellect and allowing the intellect to decide all his actions. His spirit became cut- off from the living light. This estrangment led to imbalance and creation of all the evils on earth. Evil is the work of the intellect,the over reliance on intellect which made the neglected spirit weak. Mamkind abandon his spirit and became an intellectual earth bound creature generally unable to understand anything spiritual. The spirit in itself is pure and knows no darkness.The weak spirit that is dominated by the intellect is the source of all evils on earth. This is how i understood it and i believe this to be correct because one could easily see this happening everwhere here on earth right now.
@davidevanstoledo Steiner was in all likelihood poisoned by Nazis in 1925 because his political vision was so opposite their own. Read a bit about the man before you defame him.
Evil is not riddling it is but god's multiple qualities trying to understand how the fractal constituents in the a divine being is not based on the complex of logic. Evil or what the tongue thinks it is not a hindrance it is but a physical stimulation the lost of source. Love is not an emotion it is a state of being of worship of wisdom. How does one get rid of evil one does not conceptualize thought patterns regulaing what is poision or what is good. The chaotic order is an evolving frequency.
Also this bit from Jacob Boehme seems to resonate: "When thou art gone forth wholly from the creature [human], and art become nothing to all that is nature and creature, then thou art in that eternal one, which is God himself, and then thou shalt perceive and feel the highest virtue of love." More on Jacob's wikipedia page.
“In order to have a feeling for what is good, we must also have a feeling for what is bad... Without evil, we would have no free choice for the good. No freedom. The good could have become reality without Lucifer, but not freedom. In order to choose the good, we must also have evil before us. It must exist within us as self love. When the sense of self love has widened and become love of all, evil will be overcome. Evil and freedom stem from the same original source. Lucifer kindled human enthusiasm for the divine... Lucifer brought light to human beings by kindling in them the light of wisdom, mingled within them, albeit, the black shadow of evil. The evil Lucifer brings is shrunken and blemished, but it penetrates into mortals. He brings external science that triggers egoism. That is why selflessness, in regards to knowledge, is demanded of the esoteric student. Lucifer comes from the old planet. His task on this one is comparable to what the leaven of the old dough means to the new bread. Evil is a good removed from its proper place. What was good on the old planet is no longer so when transferred to ours. The absolute good on one planet brings part of itself as evil to a new planet. Evil is a necessary part of evolution. One ought not to say that the world is imperfect or incomplete because it contains evil. Rather, it is complete for that very reason. When a painting depicts wonderful beings of light together with dark devils, the picture would be spoiled if the devils were removed. The world creator needed evil in order that good could evolve. A good is only good if has stood the test of evil. For love to reach its highest goal - the love of all -it must pass through the love of self. In “Faust,” Goethe causes Metastopheles to say , ‘I am an aspect of the power that always intends evil and always creates good.’” - Philosopher Rudolf Steiner, “The Origin of Evil.” From "Supersensible Knowledge 13 lectures in Berlin and Cologne, Oct. 11, 1906 - Apr. 26, 1907 by Rudolf Steiner. (CW 55)" th-cam.com/video/6ixJpyZ-AlA/w-d-xo.html
It's humans who bring evil,which is the lack of feeling and compassion.We've got 10 Commandments and the sayings of the prophets and Jesus but we'd rather disregard them and make up our own values.That's relativism leading to solipsism to cynicism .It ends up as Raskolnikov philosophy=the right to do whatever you want barring nothing.I'm with Leibniz.Some people here will be telling me there's no just God next-shock,horror,you're too clever.If you can't see the sea,does that mean there's no sea?
Apparemment il est plus difficile de faire le bien que le mal et c'est déjà une question intéressante voir une méditation universelle. Malheureusement la grande conscience humaine est comme un vase de cristal éclaté sur un sol de marbre, légion sont les morceaux et gigantesque sinon impossible sera le travail pour recréer la forme original. Mais de voir le mal comme l'ennemi de l'unanimité sans approfondir le sens du mal serait aussi une illusion. La conscience en devenir de l'homme dans sa globalité sans le mal a ses côtés serais comme marcher dans un désert sans fin
Steiner gives me the creeps a little, as he was buried in O.T.O. ceremonial regalia (O.T.O. are occult ). There are 2 creation stories in Genesis. The first teaches (by implication) that the world was made out of pre-existent evil matter; the second teaches the Fall of Adam and Eve. If Boehme is right that evil is necessary, could the first Gen. story be teaching that? Two sides of the same coin? I know little about Boehme and should learn more about his ideas.
That is a very interesting text! What is the source? Many others in the comments ask for the source, why don't you give it? I'd like to read the text, please give me the source! By the way, the sound in the background is terrible.
I can't hear it, my computer is not powerful, and with the traffic outside, I have no idea what text you are reading :( Shame because I was curious to learn about this person, who seem to have inspired Demeter. I am trying to assess if Demeter is rational enough for me to buy their products.
Um, spoke to a Steiner expert on here months ago who said he was NOT in the O.T.O., but Picknett and Prince (''The Templar Revelation'', p.232) claim he was buried in O.T.O. regalia. Problem is the only evidence they give is a footnote that is by someone called Frater U.D. and his book ''Secrets of the German sex magicians' , pp3-4, published by Llewellyn, St. Paul, 1991.
It's not Evil it's truma from Humen evolution stopped on as we're in the womb-I space between vale of spirts or bring stopped on in a vessel... conioius is I mind is you and me I and them
Christian ? Do not go that way. Steiner's Philosophy [his school] sooner or later it will point you in the direction of openness to the forces which does not know or understand. Dedication and opening-up is tantamount to apostasy. However, the same knowledge and understanding - in my humble opinion - is not a negative and a man can develop. However, if development in this direction is needed for us here on earth? ...There is something [we know], but no key or way to a successful life it is...
Evil is fundamentally a disconnection to humanity, Life, and therefore the Source of All Life. In such a state, the evil consciousness has no Grace, and must therefore rely only upon its own power, which leads naturally to the ruthlessness and competition destroying the world today. Iniquity is not mysterious, but it is a mystery.
Well spoken. But there's always been evil. I've just started listening to Rudolf Steiner and am beginning to understand Luciferian and Ahrimanic sources of evil.
There is no such thing as good or bad, only thinking makes it so. Words like good, evil, sin, are just nouns, a way of speaking and nothing more. There are no nouns in the physical world, and as seeing that which is in heaven is as it is on earth, then there are no nouns in the heaven either, no nouns in the spirit world.
@galimir I'll go check the facts. I had read in 'Fortean Times' that he was buried in O.T.O. regalia, so I was repeating what I'd read there. The author of the piece was maybe misinformed (can't remember which issue it was, I can find out). But if you've been studying Steiner that long, I guess you know for sure ? Are you positive about that ?
Oh I can visualize it, but what I mean is, because I take a ''God'' or Higher Power as a given, it is obvious to me that suffering must have a purpose precisely because we are not on clouds, and COULD BE hypothetically. Because that's NOT how it is, there must be a reason, because if it was, there'd be no suffering.No Rumi wasn't saying plants, animals, and humans are evil.If anything he was a pantheist who thought they were manifestations of God.
I wonder... is it plausible that some ideas are just impossible to read out loud? Others are? Is that a qualitative difference? Just thinking what a loon I'd sound reading Hegel to someone. lol
evil is rather a badly timed Good from steiner's point of view as he puts it ... evil doesnt exist in Eternity .. it does in time has 2 or rather 2 faces .. the yet untimed and untimed .. too far in the future he called it lucifer =warm evil = negative feminity .. and reaches too far in the past .. ahirman = cold evil = negative masculinity ... Steiner declared the asuras as well as a thrid way way ancient form of evil .. as spiritis of pure destruction initiativeforanthroposophy.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/GA130-Asura-fig-Eng-400.jpg and where they exist in creation in sub - human levels lucifer lives in magnetism ... ahriman in electricity ... and asuras are probably in nukes
Good to hear you read this there young man as I read him a long time ago and still come back to him now and then. Watch out for Boehme it is German and you pronunciation is not correct but that is ok you can take some German and clear that up and learn to read Steiner his own language.
there is no evil. the idea of evil is an illusion. and the illusion arises when one forgets or disconnects or SEPARATES oneself from the source. the source maybe experienced when the one loses the self. to lose the self one has to stop thinking, gradually.
Jedi Mind i agree. Evil only exists on a polarity reality which is trancended by stilling the mind and reconciliation of opposites. Alchemy/transmutation. The world is perfect. If you try to change it you will ruin it. (Not really ruin, it stir shit up).
It is easy to take refuge in relativism, but I don't think the optimal path lies through denial. Though illusion is not what it seems, the illusion itself still exists as illusion. And the path from unconsciousness to the conscious experience of the infinite reality still lies through illusion. Ultimately what we call evil or good are things that accordingly hinder or advance the progression. Evil does exist in this sense.
Evil comes in two parts: 1) Accidental (or incidental) evil. Any action performed in the material world consists of both "good" and "evil" as they are tied to a paradigm. In this circumstance, one would not necessarily know when s/he has committed evil. For example, you eat an apple and you have deprived a worm of that same apple. That might seem "evil" to the worm, or allies of worms. The worm might die, depriving the robin, depriving the cat, etc. 2) Intentional evil is when one is aware of the paradigm in which one is operating and deliberately performs an act with the intention (stress on "intention") to commit harm or go against the good within that defined paradigm. That is true evil.
@EyesofNeurosis Whoah there!! ! O.K. ,I used to go to evangelical churches so I was told there that the 'occult' is bad, whether it's Hebrew or Swahili or Chinese, so I think it's unfair to call me anti-Semitic ! Jewish Christians are anti-Kabbalah. Maybe you're just a hater of Christians ? I don't 'hate' occultists. I watch the vid because I'm not satisfied with tradition Christian explanations of suffering.I'm trying to consider many viewpoints. Sorry if my remarks caused any offence.
I think the media is a lot to blame for ideas being a ''contest.'' It's that yes or no right or wrong debate in politics, religion, everything ! Personally I wouldn't trust someone who had come up with ''answers'' just thinking on their own.Like the mind of ''God'' is gonna be discerned thru the cut and thrust of debate or Socratic dialogue. Nah ! Like I say, Sufis and the Upanishads of Hinduism have always seemed very cheery to me, even tho I use 'Christian' as label for myself.
There's no such thing as good and evil in reality. There's positive and negative that's what holds all of Creation in perfect balance. Good and evil exist in the mind of the dead. Did you know you are dead? Who are the Builder's that toil to build the Kingdom for the Father of lies in this world? By what wisdom have the symbols and images and the Idols of stone been brought into this world? Who has declared that darkness is the true light? By what name is the GOD of the dead called the GOD of good and evil? God is the God of the living not the dead. It's amazing listening to how wrong the Builder's of Freemasonry understanding truly is and how they taught it one to another making it up as they went to cover up the facts and present new claims about how they are the Superior Mind ruling over the animal body which is the meaning of the Sphinx. And here you thought I was going to say the Chosen People and Manifest Destiny. It's the same claim. It's nothing new look how long they've been milking the golden cash cow. They love money like no other. Where's your brother Cain?
morality is subjective. What I deem evil and what many of us deem evil is typically an accepted norm throughout most of society. It is not a religious issue because each religion has a subjective guide for morality. Atheists, like myself, are no different than the average person who accepts religion as we all share a common moral ground. But again it is subjective. A drug addict may view their habit as morally right or wrong depending on their circumstances, but to most of us it is wrong.
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"From the Courage Of Combatants, From the Blood Of the Slaughter, From the Suffering Of the Bereaved, From the Sacrificial Deeds Of the People, Spirit Fruit Will Grow, Will Guide Souls Towards Awareness Of the Spirit, To Find Their Purpose In the Spirit Realm."
Rudolf Steiner, taken from "The Lies Of Modern Man" Lecture, Rudolf Steiner Press YT.
Dr. Steiners resurgence lately has been incredible to watch. His work imo, is even more relevant in modernity, then perhaps even his own era.
I feel a special affinity for the heart of this man and a I feel a strong mysterious familiarity with him, almost as if I knew him prior to discovering his work (I am not a New Age wacko lol). It is the strangest thing, nothing surprises me anymore, except the fact that today, people can have a rigid Atheistic world view and harbor a Materialist ideology, during this era, the time of the Great Unveiling. From my observations, the 1920's Spiritist movement was am extremely important step to the modern human condition and the events which we are all facing. Minds like Tesla, Manly Hall, Jung, Edgar Casey, amongst countless others, I'm seeing a renewed interest and influence as the counter to the Materialistic lack of Spirituality in society today. Introspection is key in this time, he who knows himself, can thus begin to understand others and effect a positive change.
Be a part of this crucial time, you were selected to be here right here, right now. Be well
Hi please more writing needed from your side
For a person with hearing limitations the sound in the background distracting. The content is very enlightening
Actually, Steiner encouraged people to question and find out for themselves anything he said. His aim was to make free the individual and their thought life.
Yes . He encouraged a very wide range of thought and individual self-improvement.
he has completely changed my life. it’s astonishing how much progress ive made from his work compared to most others.
he was truly a highly enlightened being, hundreds of years ahead of his time
i have been reading his lectures for 20 years now & found only love for humans there, not even bit of racism or hate.
What about the claim that people with darker skin are less evolved?
marko m. they ARE less evolved at living in Europe where we are at home. Blacks are perfectly adapted at living in Africa, we are perfectly evolved at living in Europe. There is nothing racist about seing our differences.
marko m. There's nothing inherently wrong about the acknowledgement that not all things and beings are in the exact same state. No one feels any antagonism when it is said that one chemical element is slightly more refined than another, why would it suddenly be so when the implication is made that the subraces of mankind aren't enterily equal in every regard.
@@markom.8958 Very strange statement, indeed?????
Love for humans? Even his claim that we should eliminate the soul from the human through vaccination? slowerase.com/2021/01/eliminate-the-soul-with-medicine/
See through yourself and you will see through everything else
Thank you very much Matt.
It is an entirely different experience to hear his lectures read by another than to read them oneself. I really enjoyed this fresh delivery.
excelent reading matt, very interesting and thought provoking. I feel as if it cast light on my long standing direct perception of these forces throughout my life.
Es lebe der Rudolf Steiner!
This piece really does justice, can listen to it again and again.
Danke.
Glad I could be of service!
Nice, I am considering going to the Waldorf training program here in San Fran. It is sort of my backup plan if I can't teach at the university level. Maybe I'll teach your (future) kids!
I when to a Waldorf school🙏 best thing that has ever happened to me
Thanks for the reading. Very nice
We can grasp how (due to free will) some will choose evil.
But why is their will more potent than their innocent victims?
thawt crossed my mind'evil is the ans.2 an older question that preceded it'
cant hear over the background noize
Great info, did not enjoy background frequency playing the whole time
Really? How'd you like it? One of my professors (Robert McDermott, author of "The Essential Steiner") turned me onto his work about a year ago. He's definitely shifted my perspective on a number of things.
Steiner was a contemplator of the Biblical scriptures and had much to say about the Christ, and the 4 gospels, particularly the first chapter of John. The scriptures make the astounding (to me) assertion that the lamb was slain from the foundation of the world (the revelation 13:8). I'm not putting forth a theory on evil here, just saying that this scripture presented itself to my consciousness in steinerian fashion, as I listened to this lecture, as something to ponder.
Pertinent to the title of this video, I believe, is the Rudolf Steiner Audio series of lectures titled "From Jesus to Christ", most specifically (and pointing to that portion of content about which could be cautioned: "spoiler alert"), the last 10 minutes of the last lecture (lecture 10). However, I don't consider this an actual "spoiler", because such concepts must be arrived at "line upon line, precept upon precept" (as the Bible says) and by allowing such thoughts and feelings "to work upon one" over days, weeks, months, years, lifetimes..." (as Steiner says).
If there were not evil, we would all be angels on clouds. I suppose evil could be justified if it was all part of a plan. Rumi talked of us being stone, then vegetable, then animal, then human. He said he would progress from human to angel, to something greater than angel. If everybody's evolution is predestined, evil would eventually just be a bad memory (probably not a memory at all) and wouldn't ''matter.'' Traditional Christianity does poor job of ''justifying'' suffering, to my mind.
WHAT'S WITH THE BACKGROUND NOISE???
Great to hear this. Steiner's is one sharp mind. The evil as a "natural method" view resonates with Aurobindo. I'm wondering if this has shaped your personal views on Evil. Thanks Matt.
Great Matt, thanks!
Rudolf Steiner's ideas and philosophy have planned a major part in shaping who I am as a human being.Anthroposophy has been such a force for good in my life,not through controlling me,or by becoming a set of beliefs and dictates by which I have to live,but by showing me how to live as a free person.Thanks for the video Matt.(weemarkey's partner)
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Thanks for the reading, it's very Interesting, but I find the music in the background really annoying...makes it hard for me to concentrate.
It's more to be listen In a Meditation state with headphones on! Trust me it works! It's for it can be engraved in the subconscious level of mind!
The idea to record this read was good. However the background noise makes one quickly tired and hinders to concentrate on the words.
Would be nice to record the voice without any additional sound. Look forward to listening to the text with just your voice on.
Please, let me know when you’ve done that. Kind regards, Yuriy
It's more to be listen with headphones on in a Meditation state so it can be engraved in the subconscious level! Trust me!
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Thank you, really interesting! Also liked your stuff about whitehead. Any chance i can find the script for this video? thanks
Evil is ignorance of the good.
Steiner was a great spiritual teacher, & had only love to all humans.
He once met with Herzl & had jewish friends too
he wasnt racist at all, you should read some of his wonderful books & learn his open & very tolerant & containing views.He believed that in 1 life you can be jewish, in other life german, arab, etc....
so it doesnt really make sense to hate on a racial basis...
Why this annoying music on the background ?
Thank you so much! What is the exact source of the text?
background static noise sounds like a low budget 30's thriller...any better choice to make RS a cheesy vampire?
The background noise is very distracting and annoying., I would almost say, Luciferic...
That music interferes
" in the light of truth " by abdrushin gives clear explanation on the topic of how evil came into material worlds. İ understood that evil came into material worlds as humanity started gradually to rely purely on his intellect and slowly moved away from relying on his spiritual insight. İn time he set the intellect above his living spirit. Relying only on intellect and allowing the intellect to decide all his actions. His spirit became cut- off from the living light. This estrangment led to imbalance and creation of all the evils on earth. Evil is the work of the intellect,the over reliance on intellect which made the neglected spirit weak. Mamkind abandon his spirit and became an intellectual earth bound creature generally unable to understand anything spiritual. The spirit in itself is pure and knows no darkness.The weak spirit that is dominated by the intellect is the source of all evils on earth. This is how i understood it and i believe this to be correct because one could easily see this happening everwhere here on earth right now.
yeah, all of em : ) they are either from Washington state or off the coast of Colombia.
@davidevanstoledo Steiner was in all likelihood poisoned by Nazis in 1925 because his political vision was so opposite their own. Read a bit about the man before you defame him.
Great video! Is there a part two to this?
THank you~!! :)
Evil is not riddling it is but god's multiple qualities trying to understand how the fractal constituents in the a divine being is not based on the complex of logic. Evil or what the tongue thinks it is not a hindrance it is but a physical stimulation the lost of source. Love is not an emotion it is a state of being of worship of wisdom. How does one get rid of evil one does not conceptualize thought patterns regulaing what is poision or what is good. The chaotic order is an evolving frequency.
what lecture is this from?
I can not find this lecture in the archives
Are there any recordings of Steiner's voice?
I dont think he ever said that...
Thank you 0ThouArtThat0. Tatt Vam Asi :)
Also this bit from Jacob Boehme seems to resonate:
"When thou art gone forth wholly from the creature [human], and art become nothing to all that is nature and creature, then thou art in that eternal one, which is God himself, and then thou shalt perceive and feel the highest virtue of love." More on Jacob's wikipedia page.
Aloha thanks for sharing 🌝🌕
Great music for this video thanks for the depth s and the height s
Why that sound on the background??
where did all the Steiner lectures go??? I know I heard Steiner speak and these vids were avail here on YT- all vanished! OMG
Google Rudolf Steiner audio
Evil is known so that Good may be recognised. And vice versa. The play of opposites
Am i the only one or does Steve Via (the prodigy musician) resemble Steiner to a degree? Curious if any connection.
“In order to have a feeling for what is good, we must also have a feeling for what is bad... Without evil, we would have no free choice for the good. No freedom. The good could have become reality without Lucifer, but not freedom.
In order to choose the good, we must also have evil before us. It must exist within us as self love. When the sense of self love has widened and become love of all, evil will be overcome. Evil and freedom stem from the same original source. Lucifer kindled human enthusiasm for the divine... Lucifer brought light to human beings by kindling in them the light of wisdom, mingled within them, albeit, the black shadow of evil. The evil Lucifer brings is shrunken and blemished, but it penetrates into mortals. He brings external science that triggers egoism. That is why selflessness, in regards to knowledge, is demanded of the esoteric student.
Lucifer comes from the old planet. His task on this one is comparable to what the leaven of the old dough means to the new bread.
Evil is a good removed from its proper place. What was good on the old planet is no longer so when transferred to ours. The absolute good on one planet brings part of itself as evil to a new planet.
Evil is a necessary part of evolution. One ought not to say that the world is imperfect or incomplete because it contains evil. Rather, it is complete for that very reason.
When a painting depicts wonderful beings of light together with dark devils, the picture would be spoiled if the devils were removed.
The world creator needed evil in order that good could evolve. A good is only good if has stood the test of evil. For love to reach its highest goal - the love of all -it must pass through the love of self.
In “Faust,” Goethe causes Metastopheles to say , ‘I am an aspect of the power that always intends evil and always creates good.’”
- Philosopher Rudolf Steiner, “The Origin of Evil.” From "Supersensible Knowledge 13 lectures in Berlin and Cologne, Oct. 11, 1906 - Apr. 26, 1907 by Rudolf Steiner. (CW 55)"
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It's humans who bring evil,which is the lack of feeling and compassion.We've got 10 Commandments and the sayings of the prophets and Jesus but we'd rather disregard them and make up our own values.That's relativism leading to solipsism to cynicism .It ends up as Raskolnikov philosophy=the right to do whatever you want barring nothing.I'm with Leibniz.Some people here will be telling me there's no just God next-shock,horror,you're too clever.If you can't see the sea,does that mean there's no sea?
Apparemment il est plus difficile de faire le bien que le mal et c'est déjà une question intéressante voir une méditation universelle. Malheureusement la grande conscience humaine est comme un vase de cristal éclaté sur un sol de marbre, légion sont les morceaux et gigantesque sinon impossible sera le travail pour recréer la forme original. Mais de voir le mal comme l'ennemi de l'unanimité sans approfondir le sens du mal serait aussi une illusion. La conscience en devenir de l'homme dans sa globalité sans le mal a ses côtés serais comme marcher dans un désert sans fin
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where can I find the written version of this lecture?
Luiz Pizano
Possibly here: www.rsarchive.org/?gclid=CLily9Wb24cCFTxSQgodr2Rfpw
Steiner gives me the creeps a little, as he was buried in O.T.O. ceremonial regalia (O.T.O. are occult ).
There are 2 creation stories in Genesis. The first teaches (by implication) that the world was made out of pre-existent evil matter; the second teaches the Fall of Adam and Eve. If Boehme is right that evil is necessary, could the first Gen. story be teaching that? Two sides of the same coin? I know little about Boehme and should learn more about his ideas.
TAKE AWAY THIS MUSIC!!!
Um, I KNOW nothing, anyway. I kinda find Rumi and the Sufi views attractive, but your guess is as good as mine buddy :)
You know how to write comments on yt
You know Rumi is good reading. That's nothing to look down on.
That is a very interesting text! What is the source? Many others in the comments ask for the source, why don't you give it? I'd like to read the text, please give me the source! By the way, the sound in the background is terrible.
wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/Dates/19140115p01.html
Thanks!
I can't hear it, my computer is not powerful, and with the traffic outside, I have no idea what text you are reading :(
Shame because I was curious to learn about this person, who seem to have inspired Demeter. I am trying to assess if Demeter is rational enough for me to buy their products.
Um, spoke to a Steiner expert on here months ago who said he was NOT in the O.T.O., but Picknett and Prince (''The Templar Revelation'', p.232) claim he was buried in O.T.O. regalia. Problem is the only evidence they give is a footnote that is by someone called Frater U.D. and his book ''Secrets of the German sex magicians' , pp3-4, published by Llewellyn, St. Paul, 1991.
WE MUST ALL REALIZE THE KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS WITHIN
It's not Evil it's truma from Humen evolution stopped on as we're in the womb-I space between vale of spirts or bring stopped on in a vessel... conioius is I mind is you and me I and them
Christian ? Do not go that way. Steiner's Philosophy [his school] sooner or later it will point you in the direction of openness to the forces which does not know or understand. Dedication and opening-up is tantamount to apostasy. However, the same knowledge and understanding - in my humble opinion - is not a negative and a man can develop. However, if development in this direction is needed for us here on earth? ...There is something [we know], but no key or way to a successful life it is...
Evil is fundamentally a disconnection to humanity, Life, and therefore the Source of All Life. In such a state, the evil consciousness has no Grace, and must therefore rely only upon its own power, which leads naturally to the ruthlessness and competition destroying the world today.
Iniquity is not mysterious, but it is a mystery.
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Well spoken. But there's always been evil. I've just started listening to Rudolf Steiner and am beginning to understand Luciferian and Ahrimanic sources of evil.
Life itself is evil. Every thing in creation is eating everything else.
There is no such thing as good or bad, only thinking makes it so.
Words like good, evil, sin, are just nouns, a way of speaking and nothing more. There are no nouns in the physical world, and as seeing that which is in heaven is as it is on earth, then there are no nouns in the heaven either, no nouns in the spirit world.
i couldnt get rid of them all. but my approach was lame~
@galimir I'll go check the facts. I had read in 'Fortean Times' that he was buried in O.T.O. regalia, so I was repeating what I'd read there. The author of the piece was maybe misinformed (can't remember which issue it was, I can find out). But if you've been studying Steiner that long, I guess you know for sure ? Are you positive about that ?
@Brafmah where are you from ?
the long long intro is from hell..music and all
That sustained suspended chord in the background is unnecessary and distracting... couldn't get past it to listen to the video
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1/15/1914: Lecture date.
Where there is evil there is good, and vs. Nothing new. Yin yang thing I guess.
Oh I can visualize it, but what I mean is, because I take a ''God'' or Higher Power as a given, it is obvious to me that suffering must have a purpose precisely because we are not on clouds, and COULD BE hypothetically. Because that's NOT how it is, there must be a reason, because if it was, there'd be no suffering.No Rumi wasn't saying plants, animals, and humans are evil.If anything he was a pantheist who thought they were manifestations of God.
I wonder... is it plausible that some ideas are just impossible to read out loud? Others are? Is that a qualitative difference? Just thinking what a loon I'd sound reading Hegel to someone.
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evil is the condition necessary for the divine to perceive itself, dang
evil is rather a badly timed Good from steiner's point of view as he puts it ...
evil doesnt exist in Eternity .. it does in time
has 2 or rather 2 faces .. the yet untimed and untimed .. too far in the future
he called it lucifer =warm evil = negative feminity .. and reaches too far in the past .. ahirman = cold evil = negative masculinity ...
Steiner declared the asuras as well as a thrid way way ancient form of evil ..
as spiritis of pure destruction
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and where they exist in creation
in sub - human levels
lucifer lives in magnetism ... ahriman in electricity ... and asuras are probably in nukes
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Are you feeling alright?
Good to hear you read this there young man as I read him a long time ago and still come back to him now and then. Watch out for Boehme it is German and you pronunciation is not correct but that is ok you can take some German and clear that up and learn to read Steiner his own language.
A film would be boring with just good guys so are we in a film that needs the duality.
I don't care about your speculations.
I care about facts.
Steiner had nothing against jews by the way.
there is no evil. the idea of evil is an illusion. and the illusion arises when one forgets or disconnects or SEPARATES oneself from the source. the source maybe experienced when the one loses the self. to lose the self one has to stop thinking, gradually.
Jedi Mind i agree. Evil only exists on a polarity reality which is trancended by stilling the mind and reconciliation of opposites. Alchemy/transmutation. The world is perfect. If you try to change it you will ruin it. (Not really ruin, it stir shit up).
It is easy to take refuge in relativism, but I don't think the optimal path lies through denial. Though illusion is not what it seems, the illusion itself still exists as illusion.
And the path from unconsciousness to the conscious experience of the infinite reality still lies through illusion.
Ultimately what we call evil or good are things that accordingly hinder or advance the progression.
Evil does exist in this sense.
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Evil comes in two parts: 1) Accidental (or incidental) evil. Any action performed in the material world consists of both "good" and "evil" as they are tied to a paradigm. In this circumstance, one would not necessarily know when s/he has committed evil. For example, you eat an apple and you have deprived a worm of that same apple. That might seem "evil" to the worm, or allies of worms. The worm might die, depriving the robin, depriving the cat, etc. 2) Intentional evil is when one is aware of the paradigm in which one is operating and deliberately performs an act with the intention (stress on "intention") to commit harm or go against the good within that defined paradigm. That is true evil.
I have prove of this.
Where is yours?
@EyesofNeurosis Whoah there!! ! O.K. ,I used to go to evangelical churches so I was told there that the 'occult' is bad, whether it's Hebrew or Swahili or Chinese, so I think it's unfair to call me anti-Semitic ! Jewish Christians are anti-Kabbalah. Maybe you're just a hater of Christians ? I don't 'hate' occultists. I watch the vid because I'm not satisfied with tradition Christian explanations of suffering.I'm trying to consider many viewpoints. Sorry if my remarks caused any offence.
this evolution make...any one can b batman.. ? .. this is less instructions, but ideas..att elsewhere... next time...
My favorite people are German intelligent right! people create all this negative situation right
Humans are not evil.
I think the media is a lot to blame for ideas being a ''contest.'' It's that yes or no right or wrong debate in politics, religion, everything ! Personally I wouldn't trust someone who had come up with ''answers'' just thinking on their own.Like the mind of ''God'' is gonna be discerned thru the cut and thrust of debate or Socratic dialogue. Nah ! Like I say, Sufis and the Upanishads of Hinduism have always seemed very cheery to me, even tho I use 'Christian' as label for myself.
There's no such thing as good and evil in reality. There's positive and negative that's what holds all of Creation in perfect balance. Good and evil exist in the mind of the dead. Did you know you are dead?
Who are the Builder's that toil to build the Kingdom for the Father of lies in this world? By what wisdom have the symbols and images and the Idols of stone been brought into this world? Who has declared that darkness is the true light? By what name is the GOD of the dead called the GOD of good and evil?
God is the God of the living not the dead.
It's amazing listening to how wrong the Builder's of Freemasonry understanding truly is and how they taught it one to another making it up as they went to cover up the facts and present new claims about how they are the Superior Mind ruling over the animal body which is the meaning of the Sphinx. And here you thought I was going to say the Chosen People and Manifest Destiny. It's the same claim. It's nothing new look how long they've been milking the golden cash cow. They love money like no other. Where's your brother Cain?
damm Good Job !!!
So you mean this is partly a superstition... what a desappointment.
My mum spat at me during my awaking experience Phill punch the spirt .. Glass hitting the spirt I don't want to be them in there if there birthed
evil just has to do with dicisions. a star is a star.
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Nope.
If you know nothing about panarabism, propaganda against succesful groups in society etcetera, it's better to keep your clap shut.
morality is subjective. What I deem evil and what many of us deem evil is typically an accepted norm throughout most of society. It is not a religious issue because each religion has a subjective guide for morality. Atheists, like myself, are no different than the average person who accepts religion as we all share a common moral ground. But again it is subjective. A drug addict may view their habit as morally right or wrong depending on their circumstances, but to most of us it is wrong.
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