The Justice League x RWBY Crossovers films are... unfortunate.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ธ.ค. 2023
- I finally get around to reviewing the Justice League x RWBY cross overs. For reasons too arcane for my TH-camr brain, these somehow exist for reasons. And it is rather unfortunate they don't quite live up to their potential.
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What did you think of the crossover films?
They were okay I guess, some good, some bad.
Honestly, who asked for these films? I feel like it just misdirects the RWBY brand and energy towards the show.
I think the writers listened to the critics after Part 1, and took their criticism to heart when making Part 2, thus improving the second movie.
Didn’t really care for either of them.
I saw both and I like them as a turn your brain off popcorn set of movies. We're they the greatest? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!! But they weren't terrible either and honestly I prefer movies that have flaws, if they were TOO PERFECT, They would never have something to strive for and become dull and boring
Honestly the reaction from both RWBY and DC fans when these movies got announced was “okay I guess? But like, why tho?-”
Eh, just for the sake of bringing fanfics that haven’t come to mind so often to life
@@fictionverse7292It did _literally_ feel like a fanfic at the start 😆
@@sweetoil2952 kinda is. Do you ever have crazy fanfic ideas like what if Fox sold Fantastic Four to Warner Bros, Super Smash Bros Cinematic universe, or something like that which is unlikely going to happen?
@@fictionverse7292 lol true😂
@@sweetoil2952That is an insult to fanfiction
No seriously
I’ll still never understand why they didn’t just have RWBY crossover with the Teen Titans. Just feels like a better fit to me.
If it was going to be any DC property, it definitely should've been either Teen Titans or Young Justice (basically the same thing). I also feel like Young Justice's tone and characters would be translated decently enough into RWBY and vice versa
Or Elmo
I’ve been saying this for a long time
This. We got Cyborg but not Robin, Beast Boy or idk........FUCKING RAVEN!?
The potential for dialogue (Raven Branwen, Yang's Mom) was there and they didn't take it!
There was a whole JL episode about the Legion of Doom thinking they could take on Batman because he's powerless and being held hostage. Then Batman got them to wipe each other out using nothing but his words. All that to say, hearing RWBY JL Batman mope about not having powers was pretty jarring.
Don't forget, he rizzed up a catgirl just to assert his dominance
Great another writer bullshitly not knowing anything about Batman writing about batman, what's for Tuesday?
Rwby staff can’t write worth Jack shit
I get that but a batman brave and the bold episode had him go to a planet and get super powers similar to that of superman, he took to them like a fish to water, point is while he knows he doesn't need powers at the same point he realizes he's human and as such can only do so much. yeah I think him not having powers does weigh on him even if fans won't admit it.
What episode was that?
You know what’s wild. Despite how bad they characterize Batman they somehow managed to not do that bad of a job with Jessica.
I remember thinking, when the first concepts came out, "Alright, how long before Superman loses his way and needs a bunch of teenagers to tell him what he should already know?" Then the Batman bit happened, and I kicked myself for holding my expectations too high.
They murdered my boy. They ruined Batman he doesn’t care about having powers. To quote Batman: I haven’t been a kid in a long time. That was when he got turned into a he was still his serious self.
realistic to comics or not seeing him flying into the ceiling an then spit on a wire to open his cell is amazing
You don't read the comics, do you?
@@Diogo85 yes yes I do.
thank you for bringing that up. Bruce is still Bruce no matter what he does through. He's been a kid before and didn't really give a damn. Hell he's had POWERS before in the comics and his personality didn't really change. Why did the RWBY crossover turn him into... whatever they turned him into
No they really didn’t murder “your” boy there are over 1000+ different versions of Batman with different personalities and altered backstories, how are we even to know if Batman is exactly the same as his Animated Series/DCAU counterparts? Besides there have been other stories touching on Batman gaining powers that have ended way differently, not the first time and certainly not the last.
The crazy part is every issue listed in this review is honestly perfectly consistent with RWBY itself as a franchise.
My problems with two movies are these:
-P1: Shipping. Look, I know everyone likes Knightlight (Jessica and Jaune) but if in order to have that, I needed Cyborg getting between Nora and Ren and Batman acting all weird towards Wonder Woman, I would prefer no shipping. Seriously, why is there romance between characters that are never going to meet one another?
-P2: Yang being concerned over Ruby and Weiss regret over the fall of Atlas. My problem isn't with the moments itself, but more where. Why are these moments in a non-canon movie and not in V9? Considering the timing of release, I can't help but feel this was intentional so that they had some sort of B plot in the movie
It's so weird that we had a Volume and two movies this year, yet I feel like we progressed nothing.
Agree with you on both points.
First off, why all the Shipping? Because despite this being a cross over movie, A portion of the RWBY fandom pretty much live-for-the-ship. This kind of thing goes on alot in RWBY as of late. Many in that part of the fandom don't know what it is to be friends, teammates, a brotherhood, sisterhood. Everyone is a potential ship, will get shipped, or be ship teased. So the writers obviously injected that stuff into the movies. I don't know what DC fans are use too in their media, but this is par for the course in RWBY.
Second, fully agree. Those concerns and regrets over the fall of Atlas should have absolutely been addressed in the main show. Perhaps they stuck into the movies as a way of not having to spend time addressing it in the regular show. Especially seeings how rushed the last few volumes have been. No time to really flesh things out. It's almost like they realized RWBY does not have much time left.
Ah, right, RT is out of money now. No green light for V10. RWBY's future is up in the air.
And your right, Nothing has progressed as for as the main plot in RWBY is concerned.
Eh, RWBY has always dragged its heels as much as possible when it comes to progressing the story, so that's not new. I mean, no one goes back to watch volume 2, and that's because nothing happens in it. The only reason people liked volume 3 so much was because it was the only time shit actually started to happen since the first few episodes of the series. And what do you know, right after that it's about everyone jacking off in the woods for an entire season. It's like getting one slice of pizza for every loaf of bread you consume. No thanks, I'll just skip to the pizza.
@@DocMicrowaveI don't think Volume 9 or 7 was rushed.
I think RWBY volume 10 will eventually get greenlit as they already started writing the scripts a while ago unless it gets cancelled, that is, which I don't happening.
@@Diogo85 I felt V7 and V9 (as well as V8) were very rushed. For V7 what I see as rushed is scenes skipped over, details left out, not to mention a few, what I call "they were there, now they are here" moments with no explanation as to the journey. Either to save time and animation resources, or just because there would have been no rational or logical way of explaining a change or movement. They needed to move the story along, and that's it.
V8 was the same thing, but much worse. I have a feeling CRWBY knew RWBY's days were numbered and moved to accelerate the story to get them out of Atlas and into Vaccuo as quickly as possible. That basically bucks, I recall, an early idea for the series in its planing stages after V1, that the show runners were putting together a basic framework of 12 volumes comprised of four 3 volume arcs. Each arc would be focused mostly on one of the four Kingdoms/Maidens/Relics. That seemed to be tracking up until the Atlas arc.
And V9 was totally rushed. In fact, they ran out of money and had to cut it short by like 2+ chapters. Forcing them to re-edit and rewrite stuff so that the story can fit into a shorter volume.
Also, take whatever RT/CRWBY says publicly with a grain of salt concerning production. They will say anything to promote (or keep) business and interest. When V8 ended, they had claimed that V9 was already written, and well into production. Then came the excuses, primary of which was delays because of Covid. Then other delays, then silence. For 2 years! Only to have the show runners admit that V9 was delayed mainly because of production on the DC movies.
So to me, saying V10 is written, or being written means little to nothing. Since RT is broke, they have no staff, animators, VAs, no green light from their corporate masters, WB. The fact that they are literally begging what's left of the fandom for money. Combine all that with the fact that they have been .......... let's say less than accurate about what they are working on.
Even if some very generous multi-millionare decided to fund RWBY, it would still be at least 2 years before you saw anything.
Yeah, them saying V10 is being written is obviously a last resort attempt to hold on to what's left of a deminishing fandom. Slow the loss of Subs. As well as trying to move stagnating merch off the shelves. Sorry to say.
Batman in most stories won’t care about powers, but it is notable that in a lot of els-world stories he goes (pun mostly certainly intended) bat shit insane when he does get powers.
That one time he got Superman powers he went bat shit insane how they stopped him by putting him in a genjutsu-ish situation which is the origin of that “don’t leave me” Batman panel.
That’s why the plan to use against him when he goes crazy is the justice league.
In P1, team RWBY not fighting as a team was an oversight for this movie. Even the DVD special feature "Justice Comes To Remnant" had to splice two shots together to show the team but the placements were out of order.
I was genuinely surprised by how well they made Jessica and John relate to one another and was very disappointed they didn't even talk on part 2
A love triangle? In a set of crossover movies whole canonicity is dubious at best? WHY? From the onset, it's obvious it's not gonna be something that carries on forward, not gonna go anywhere, matter in the long run or affect things like the status quo. It should have been obvious from the idea pitch that it was gonna be a waste of time
A couple of reasons. These might have been crossover movies, but RWBY is still at their core. So are the writing mentalities associated with the show as of the last few volumes. Ship Ship Ship! The writers are used to appeasing the 'live-for-the-ship' part of the fandom in RWBY. It's not surprising that stuff would make it into the movies.
Second, Renora has been cooled. So they obviously feel its ok to screw around with the ship. (Rest assured, this kind of thing would never happen to BB). Just one of the few ships (teases) they threw around in the movies.
Got to keep the shipping crowd well fed!
@@DocMicrowaveHonestly, I'm starting to be convinced that it's the only way these people know how to write friendly banter and dialogue. It feels like everyone in the RWBY universe is a horny sex pest trying to sleep with the next person they see as soon as possible.
@@DocMicrowave thing is, speaking as a shipper myself, I do not feel catered to. The reason I ship characters because I want them to end up together, because I think they'd be good for each other, and I want them to end up together so I can see them being cute with each other. I want to see the couple being properly formed and explored, and on a lighter tone being cute and lovey dovey. I don't want to see an annoying love triangle whose result was obvious from moment 1, making it ultimately pointless and a waste of time, and it will only accomplish is delay the two people getting together and being together, wasting precious screen time (or, God forbid, a harem where each member will ultimately lose all semblance -heh- of their original personality, making their entire character to revolve around fighting for the main lead, stepping over each other and stopping any hint of relationship progression)
@@DocMicrowaveThe last few volumes have not been just about shipping. Most of the times, it wasn't so that's not even true at all and Bumblebee was confirmed to be planned from the beginning.
@@Diogo85 I beg to differ. CRWBY knows (some of) RWBY fans love to ship. Even if a ship is not meant to come to reality. CRWBY watches and reads social media. They are under the impression that shipping, or even Ship-teasing sells. Generates interest. So what do we get?
Qrow and Clover teased for almost an entire volume. Oscar and Ruby lightly teased. (Weird but whatever. I think they gave up on Weiss). Most recently Jaune and Weiss teased.
And of course, the biggest one of them all, Blake and Yang. Teased so hard it ruined both characters, and put a fair amount of damage on the writing quality.
Now don't get me wrong. Shipping is not necessarily a bad thing. Especially if it is an essential part of a story. And that it is done right. I did not mean to say the last few volumes were ALL about shipping. But it played a big part.
But to stick it in for fanservice (and that is exactly what CRWBY is doing) to the point where it just wastes time, detracts from the main story, or worse, forces a story in illogical or ridiculous directions just to highlight the Ship or the tease, that's when it becomes a problem.
But that is just me. Mileage for others may differ. Other people may love that kind of stuff, regardless of the writing. I am not calling them out. What ever rows their boat.
I am looking at what such forced shipping does to an overal plot that is meant to be more logical or serious in nature.
Anyway, I digress.
Concerning BumbleBee being "planned from the beginning". I don't by it. In fact I buy little CRWBY has to say now a days. They will say anything to try hide mistakes, or support new directives. It's just business.
Saying something Well after the fact to try to support current narratives does not hold any water for me.
Saying that BB was planned from the beginning 10 years later is just a cheap attempt to cover the past. Most long time RWBY fans remember that it was stated back around V1-2 that the intention for RWBY was to be a sisterhood. But that the main characters would/could have relations with other people out side of the team.
Coming out with this statement after the fact has about as much weight as CRWBY revealing Ironwood's semblance in a podcast well after V8 ended, in an attempt to explain his evil turn to fans that questioned it. Or trying to explain away Oscar's sucker punch on the untouchable Neo as an animation error.
CRWBY will say anything to support current directions, or to quell controversy over such directions.
Obviously CRWBY, as well as they favorite fans, BB shippers, are still bothered by Blacksunn issues, as well as early depictions of Blake and Yang.
And we all know CRWBY is about keeping those fans happy, what ever the cost.
Well, it has cost them big..
9:00 this is one of those things that gets worse the more you think about it. one thing not mentioned here is the bat family; a long line of crimefighters all trained and inspired by batman. they aren't family in name only, they are for all intensive purposes Bruce's family. it makes no sense to abandon them for bat wings and sonar, two powers he can easily recreate with his tech.
EXACTLY
WHY are we supposed to believe he’d be willing to abandon his kids and literally everything else he’s built up in his life for wings and sonar?? That’s not Batman at all???
@@clojcloj You say that, but in those same comics, he's already fought his family multiple times over petty reasons, or dismissed them. He regularly does things that are selfish and put his own family in harm's way for his own benefit. He most recently did this in Gotham War. He's also known for ostracizing his allies (it's part of why the multiverse nearly ended in Death Metal, because he had to insist on researching strange metal in isolation), and he has more contingencies prepared against his friends than his enemies. As far as the superpower envy goes, that's ambiguous at best considering alternate versions of him have envied those with powers and then usually went full-on supervillain the moment they got them. He's also not against having them for himself and will use them when circumstances allow for it, which he did, again, in Death Metal.
Let's not insist Batman is this wholesome, family-oriented character who doesn't have a chip on his shoulder about superpowers. His own writers went out of their way to establish him as anything but those things.
@@belias360 Yeah so, that's not a point in your favor. That's a point against your because he's already had this character arc and moved on. The fact bad stories keep having him make mistakes doesn't mean he's this loner who hates family and would ditch them in an instant. Stop being disingenuous and cherry picking.
@@belias360Stop cherry picking, because those are stories where sometimes they go overboard with it. Good stories show what Batman’s character actually is. Also through all of that, his main mission was Gotham. He wouldn’t abandon all of it for one place, he wouldn’t abandon his family for an entirely new place to live in. He still loves them.
Even as a pretty big RWBY and DC fan, my thoughts on P1 (still haven’t watched P2 yet) was “it’s fine”. Like it’s a straight-to-dvd(and digital) DC crossover movie and it feels like it, like something you’d put on in the car for a road trip as a kid. (Also Jessica was the best part Frfr )
The part that got me interested in watching it in the first place was the fact Carl Riggs was Superman and the Netflix Light “Yagami” was Batman cus that’s too funny
On your thoughts on Batman:
He even had powers at some point of his life and gave them up for the greater good so for him to throw away all that characterize him in favor of having some powers was really odd and out of character. If this was like year one batman, I can see it.
Maybe a better plot point for the digital world is that Brainiac Force the hunters and the superheroes in this world to gather data on their abilities so he can recreate an army of super soldier robots with all their abilities to help conquer and take over worlds and gather more data, and after a while they figure out that's what's happening and now they are forced into a conundrum because the more they fight and defend themselves the faster Brainiac wins so they are left for the only choice to find Brainiac and take him down to get out of the world before he has all the data he needs which means they only fight if they absolutely have to
Kinda hard for it to be one big movie when part 2 seems to come after volume 9
Tbh. I figured the bad guy was Watts or a video exclusive villian. No one else could actually trap someone in a digital world. But honestly I think a better villian woulda been Brainiac for the DC villian. He's actually taken down Superman before so him being the choice would have been a no brainer.
As for the Batman with powers thing. He wouldn't have wanted to stay for powers. He actually is proud of the fact that he is one of the few members who can stand side by side with ppl like Superman and Wonder Woman, with hard work and intelligence alone.
Tbh that would be the best thing they could have done with Watts. It's been a bit so correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he get like one badass fight with Ironwood, do nothing for most of Volume 8 then die?
@connorharnage6697 he was working behind the scenes with Tyrion to put Weiss's dad in power. That led to the technological deconstruction of Atlas. But that out come was a better thing for him. In the digital world he is far more powerful.
Apparently Nat Wolff (the Batman VA) wasn’t even gonna do this until his agent convinced him to accept the role
The stakes felt either low or unknown, and I thought they handled character interactions and relationships in a muddled way. I'm also not sure the characters acted in a way that reflected who they were and their development at that point. The Leaguers certainly didn't act like themselves, in either part. And if the answer to the situation came to me as easily and quickly as it did, that may be done to predictability -- but I'm no Batman. You'd think the World's Greatest Detective would catch on pretty quick, but he was too busy behaving like an a$$.
The chad Batman vs TMNT movie, the virgin Justice League vs RWBY films.
They should've had any of dc animation teams done the movies rather than Rooster teeth.
Honestly these days fanfic writers seem to write better stories set in rwby universe
Crazy, huh..?
Yes on occasion where Bats has gotten powers he has wanted to keep them, one time he's gets Supermans powers and refuses to give them back.
If you take them as Saturday Morning cartoons they’re pretty fun. A lot of animation is gorgeous and some of my favorite action & designs of the RWBY series are here.
As far as DC… I think the characters are handled pretty well. Im not a fan of the ship teases. Part 2 I like more for seeing the DC characters proper and being more action focused.
That's how this stuff is meant to be taken but some people always treat this stuff far more seriously for some reason lol
If this becomes the last thing to ever be produced from RWBY now that Roosterteeth can't afford their own show, I will laugh so hard
Edit from the future now that Roosterteeth is shutting down: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Imagine if this movie is the ending to RWBY.
Watts is the final boss of RWBY with his two stupid robot arms. Watts. WATTS. The man that uploaded himself to WB's IP folder and accidentally tripped into the DC IP. And his weakness was being told he's stupid. This movie acts as a Vaccuo epilogue, and bookends Ruby's Volume 9 demonization arc. And all Jessica wanted to do was just chill with Jaune and laugh at his grey hair. If this is the ending this is both so damn funny and also a horrible loss to the RWBY story.
Volume 10 please become a reality save me from this place. I want a real ending so I can someday look back on this as the hilarious joke ending.
All they had to do was not fuck Batman up and they failed.
Batman never wants powers every time he has them he immediately gives them away
The biggest problem is they write littlerally every justice league character out of character, especially Batman. The idea of batman being tempted to leave the dc universe because he’d be able to “do some real good” in rwby made my skin crawl. They also imply the rwby crew had it harder because they’re child soldiers… ignoring the fact Batman started his training around the same age they would have because of the ptsd he got from having his family murderd. He went through insane levels of physical and mental training to start a one man war and he did it without a real support net or powers.
And he had to watch his parents die infront of him
Still haven’t seen part 2, keep meaning to get to it. Still I was happy to endure part 1 just for the fandom to collectively declare “this is ours now” when it came to Remnant Jessica.
Yeah Bruce caring about powers doesn't really make sense on 2 levels. First his greatest asset is his mind. He's the guy that if you let live for too long, he'll figure out a way. Which leads into the second point, he's defeated gods without powers. So why would he care about what he got in RWBY? Like one famous Batman story was when a baddy got into his computer and proceeded to use his plans to take out the Justice League. Those plans worked really well as it turned out. Plus, it's just not DC. It's rare any hero gets paralyzed by not having powers. They are heroes in part because they will rise to their duty in spite of them. Like even Superman will be up against people he normally fights with powers and even without them he doesn't flinch. So for Bats to abandon Gotham for powers really isn't a thing he would think about.
GREENLIGHT V10 DAMMIT
WARNER. DO IT. DO IT NOW.
Honestly, I could take it or leave it at this point.
@@mauriceisaac3646*insert Mr Hat grade response to this statement*
V9 sucked, I’d prefer a redo of that volume
As of announcements last week. RT is broke. They are scaling back operations.
No mention of V10 so it is likely not being green lit. (Certainly not under RT).
RWBY's future is in question.
If they thought these movies would convince the money men to give V10 a go, they were sadly mistaken.
I now kinda wanna hear that Hazel rant.
You know what would have been a great Crossover with Rwby?
INVINCBLE
I liked the design of the teen JL members in the RWBYverse...
Certainly better than the designs from the original crossover comic.
Green Lantern design anyone who trashed it or yelled it being trans or something feck off an let us adore the finger-less gloves, hair streak with the one stick up strand and short jacket @@cbhensoncbhenson5515
9:30 i am not much of a dc guy too and i know you are right about batman but he always said he doesn't need powers cause he never had any, as i always like to say: you don't know you need something until you have it
rwby is now owned by DC and theres like 5 or 6 DC x RWBY crossover comics as well as a bunch of rwby comics by DC which is why this exists
Honestly the Jessica and Jaune subplot from the first movie is probably the best part of the entire duology.
Sadly I am 1 of those people who thought of Blake as their favorite character... Then due to the mistreatment of her as a character that shifted to Weiss. I am sad about all of that because I still love the universe that is there and see huge potential with it... It's just a shame that it feels like they don't care to/want to put in the effort to make it as good as it has been shown to be. The story escalation was interesting all but it feels like it was rushed to force character growth as a side effect instead of letting the growth be natural and logical.
I honestly enjoyed both parts of the Justice League Rwby crossover films.
I finally watched part 2. It was not as enjoyable as 1, but there were a few shining moments. Honestly, it’s the little things. (Spoilers)
About 15 minutes in we see Weiss’s favorite contacts in her scroll. I saw the picture for Maria and burst out in gut busting laughter. That single little profile pictured capture that old lady Maria energy so well I just couldn’t get over it.
Later as we see the villains join in on stopping the Grimm we get a shot from behind of Harley and Joker sipping drinks watching the chaos. I got a solid chuckle out of that.
Ruby herself got some great combat moments. I liked her takedown of the king taijitu was fun. And her teleportation trick to save Flash from becoming Grimm food and simultaneously redirecting a fire blast back at the Grimm that spewed it? Chef’s kiss.
I’m a casual fan of both and while I can’t comment on the rwby side of the movies yeah part one felt really anticlimactic. even I know Batman doesn’t care about powers and he’d never just abandon his own world and city at least not without getting his replacement first.
The movie is ok but what did they do to my boy Batman?!
I don't mind the films looking at them now part one was just okay I give it a 4 out of 10 part 2 was actually better especially considering it covered some topics that fans really want to see and that we hope we see in volume 10 even though I'm not sure if we'll have time for that due to the fact that we have
like 50 something characters and there are a lot of past characters that will be in volume 10 including new characters that we're going to get and other characters
So they might not have time to fully cover everybody's arcs like they need to especially considering their characters we haven't seen in almost 3 years now who's arcs are still going on or just finally getting started like Nora's
And even ran and emeralds plus there are arcs that are at like the Middle point with Oscar and his merge
At best I think we might have a little time skip when we get back
In all honesty I don't mind these movies I just wish instead of these movies these movies have may be covered the backstories on characters we haven't had time to get to know or who's arcs need more flushing out and that we don't have enough time to spend with you know like Oscar Nora emerald maybe see a movie about oz and Salem give me more on their story it's been like three volumes and I don't think one episode really is enough to cover the full backstory and lower of this show we need a bit more
I do admit I like the character designs we got for everybody and part 2 I don't know why they didn't have John in part 2 of the movies a lot of people were disappointed he wasn't on them
And ever since we got the final movie I've been seeing a lot more people who was seemed upset and disappointed because we still don't know what going to happen with volume 10 and when we're getting it and even if it got green lit right now
We probably wouldn't get volume 10 till the beginning of 2025
Idk if I'm just a hater but these films do not even remotely interest me. As someone who sees modern Rwby action scenes as being largely mediocre with the occasional actually fun/cool one or two each volume, seeing the clips that I have from these crossovers I really don't see anything in there for me.
so action is all RWBY is to you?
if that's all you want just watch Dragon Ball forever
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 Not necessarily, but I primarily came to the show due to Monty Oum's unique signature style. I'm in no way 'just about action' but in RWBY specifically it tends to be the highlight for me. If u enjoy other aspects fine, but there's no need to get all huffy and say 'just go watch/read X thing'. That's just an unproductive argument. If u wanna sell me on why I should watch the crossover do that.
its not a point of argument its a suggestion based on the possibility that action is crack @@kag2576
@@kag2576 retardation
So they divided an already stretched studio into two during development of chapter 9 to work on these two movies with a haphazard story because Warners need to justify their purchase of RT & perhaps get some of that sweet tax money.
This is how RWBY ends...
What’s next a crossover with Scooby-Doo? I’m pretty sure that’s the only thing RT could afford funding for Vol 10 if WB forces them to do.
The best part about these movies are the character designs. I loved how their outfits looked on remnant.
Is it a little creepy that cyborg is technically still a much older adult, is flirting with Nora? A 19 year old. Also having it take place in volume 7 kind of ruins the steaks for the rwby characters, as we know they’ll end up fine, they’re in the volumes taking place afterwards.
How old would cyborg be at this point?
@@dudejoe24 he usually gets his powers while in highschool or at college at the youngest
Cyborg isn't really all that much older, usually. He's about college, age maybe mid-20s at the oldest. Not that big of a gap, but it's still a stupid ship, and the triangle stuff really doesn't help.
@@joecrazy9896I think I would've been fine with it if not for the fact that by Volume 7, Nora and Ren are a couple in all but name and officially seal the deal in the next volume. If this was earlier, we could say it was a short-lived romance when Nora started realizing her feelings for Ren
Eh not really. From the looks of it, the character have been aged down in both body and mind. So this isn't like Clark looks 18 but is actually in his mid fourties. He looks 18 and has the mindset of an 18 year old. Even if that weren't the case, the age gap between Cyborg and Nora isn't enough to raise any concerns as he's at most, in his mid-twenties
The major problem with the JLXRWBY movies is despite the questionable decisions for the characters, the movies play things safe, and playing safe is something that DC and RWBY should never do. Both properties should leave you with thought provoking ideas and scenes that would stick with you.
Say what you want about the comics that these are based off of, at least they have more interesting ideas than what is in the films.
I go into a little more detail on JLXRWBY part 1 in my review back in 2023: th-cam.com/video/dcayYEAgjbo/w-d-xo.html
(Please excuse the bad audio, I was sick)
When it comes to the canonity of the crossover movie really it feels more of a gap between volumes 8 and 10. Strangely dunno why you said volume 7 when they mentioned the death of Watts in the film which happened during volume 8 when Atlas is set on fire this crossover has me honestly wondering if in this continuity volume 9 didn't happen because it honestly doesn't really leave much room for volume 9 to have happened how it happened in volume 8 of the show proper since in part 2 there are seemingly immediately in Vacuo when in the show proper they haven't even really gotten there yet with just leaving the wonderland realm.
Maybe I wasn't clear, but the timeline comment was in regards to Part 1 only. At the end they wake up in what appears to be an Atlesian lab talking about a training mission. This would've needed to have taken place during a time of relative calm, before Watts & Tyrian made their move on the night of the election. There wouldn't have been time to take a breather to train since everything went off the rails starting at that point.
Part 2 appears to have been sometime after V9. Blake remarks that "it's been weeks," since they last saw the JL, which would've been enough time for the events of V8 and 9 to have happened. V8 was only a couple of days in terms of story chronology, and V9 to just before V10 IMO plausibly could've been a few weeks, if the deleted V9 epilogue is something to go by. Also, some of Part 2's dialogue seems to be tip-toeing around Ruby's mental health situation.
Why again isnt it just stated as non canon?
calling them unfortunate is BS when I found them I know it made no sense but having them confuse eachother an green lantern be an adorable stress ball is comfy
7:52 especially ironwood superman would've showed him what happens when one man have too much power
RWBY doesn’t deserve to be teamed up with the justice league
The few times in the show Batman indulges a little in having powers of his own and becoming arrogant in one episode of Batman brave and the bold when he basically became Superman before being brought back down to earth
I didn't watch Part 2 because RT's bullshit kind of killed my enthusiasm but I feel like Part 1 was justified sololy for putting Ruby and Superman in the same room as each other. Funny how Ruby and her foil got the best writings in Part 1.
My reaction was like okay..?
Should have just made vol 10 as well
Genuinely feel like they should have adapted the story of the original JL X RWBY comic instead. Having the Justice League characters be versions of them FROM Remnant instead of being the real Justice League. Except for Jessica, who’s basically the key to the comics plot, and her being from another dimension is important for it.
The love triangle, which is between Batman vs Cyborg over Weiss, in the comic is definitely handled better too…even while I wasn’t much of a fan of it in general.
Here few changes I would done for part 1 and 2
For part 2
I would have the character wear there uniforms they wear In part while.
Part 1
Having Batman not talking about himself being from another world. But talking to her about this world.
Having more DC villains. I feel like we should got more of scenes of DC villains.
Think about.
Harley Quinn keeping and having pet grimm.
Scarecrow mixing his fear toxic with dust.
Lex lurther studying the world of rwby while helping ironwood.
The joker literally being the joker and even using his laughing gas!
Mr freeze wanted to help save her wife with the technology.
Dark side teaming with Salam!!!
And that just few good ideas.
RWBY to me is one of those shows that the creators don't even know what they're doing anymore. Love me some Justice League though.
9:31 really in the comics Batman is scared of having superpowers because it might go to his head
And this is (one reason) why V10 is not green lit. And RWBY as a whole left with a questionable future.
Am I wrong for enjoying them? Especially the Part 2?
Nah, if you enjoyed something others didn't, that's great
I didn't know about this till just now I want to watch it badly
When the BlazBlue Cross Tag Team Battle game did it better with its crossover story.
Im only going to say this, regardless of what people think of the films. These movies are a hell of a lot better than the original source material which was the og comic story. The original comic was having the Justice League as if they always existed in Remnant. It... posed a lot of continuity issues and I think has been written out of continuity, I believe the movies might be the more canonical tale
Rwby can be great with a good writing team. Keep the voice cast, animation style, just fix the writing. I hope whoever ends up buying the IP understands what they have and allocate the correct writing team to this.
Who is the audience for these anyway, not DC fans as they are constantly mocking the series and for rwby fans it’s taking away time from the show itself.
I want these movies
They probably should have just did the comics and just have the DC characters already part of the world. Wouldn't have had to do this whole convoluted plot about digital worlds and other junk. Also wouldn't have bothered my inner DC fanboy about some of the characterization. Being an Elsworlds story gives you that much more wiggle room with that.
Are you guys doing rwby thoughts based on these films?
Either way, these crossovers event is RoosterTeeth attempt on making money. I guess RT are slowly realizing that pandering to the small groups of fanatics and toxic shippers doesn’t give them profit especially since they like to attack their general audience over any criticism of RWBY.
My issus with the films comes down to these.
#1 part 1 was more focused on RWBY that dc felt like an after thought and the dc heroes did not act like themsleves and where disrespected, along with that Killgore sucked as a villian in the first move.
#2 the dc heroes in part one looked aweful I hated the desings and they acted nothing like themselves.
#3 part 2 was better but I did not like Jessica, Vixen and Black Cannary for they where uninteresting and killgore still sucks.
#4 they really could of used a better villian like Lex, Brainiact, most evil flashes, and so on. Killgore is no Spot.
#5 In part 2 the flash's villains where dissrespected, like dude he has good villains and they act like his villains suck.
Anyways these are just my opinons.
of course they don't act the same Killgore did the most horrifying thing made you a teenager
an why get so mad people that not every Batman is the same
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 Yea they did not loose thier mind when they where turned into kids from justice league unlimited.
If anything they where just as competent as thier adult self.
Also we prefer a batman we love then a edgy teenage batman.
which is kinda lame its like branding a movie they must deal with childhood then they act like there 43 XD but in the first part it was cute Green Lantern is a queen of cute @@darknerdman9816
Now part two. THAT was Bruce.
I would've loved if these crossover movies were made in 2d animation.
Batman really be like "oh sweet, i have superpowers.... dont make me go back to my kids."
I know this is nitpicking, but I had a hard time believing "I spent my Summer Vacations training under ninjas" Bruce Wayne, and "warrior princess of ancient warrior society" Wonder Woman would get staggered in most any of the fights in the first movie.
I get that the logic was "you're an awkward teen now so your skills are nerfed," but STILL though -
idk how I feel about these films, I loved part 2 more because ruby had amazing scenes....JUST RUBY like i paid 20 dollars and it was kind of worth it LOL
First part was very meh.
The second part felt more focused; especially as it takes place in a new part of the story, and not sandwiched between a volume.
Problem with the first part is that it takes place in an area that was already covered so they cannot do too much to contradict what would happen later in the story.
Meanwhile since the second part is in a new uncovered section they don’t have to worry AS MUCH about it
Can I also say how much I did NOT LIKE the fights of the first part. They just felt pretty boring and lifeless.
how was the first one meh you have goofy versions of the cast hangout
Green Lantern being a stress ball is adorable her animations great
Why didn't we get a collab with Elmo or Grover
Why would this be a slam dunk even on paper?
Can't imagine how it must feel for RWBY fans to hear that RT is bankrupt and Vol 10 may not be released.
Especially after they spent time and money on what looks like bad fan fiction with JL OCs off DeviantArt.
Tbf batman got the teenage angst in this sode of the cross over so uhh i mean if a teen were to be hanging out with supers gets powers to then i think he would want said powers. But idk
Imma throw it out there: I kinda just threw it out there for background noise
I liked them. Nice hold over while waiting for VOL 9. Got both on disk. They are OK. I loved the action.
The only good thing to come out of this crossover was Knightlight (aka jaune x jessica) tbh. Its my favorite jaune ship. Yes, even over him and Pyrrha.
I remember watching the movie the first part, and I loved it, and I hated it at the same time. Don’t give me wrong. I love RWBY.
I do know there was an ep where batman was put in a teenage girls body amd he was realky hapoy he had powers
Batman moment
Idk why ppl arent excited for it but maybe thats because i like animation and there has been a drought in dc content on screen, but i enjoyed it but i mean iw asnt expecting to come out with some nee profound perspective on life, animation, or fictional media
Hey we already went over it in the crossover films...
That seems to be most of the answer sadly.
Vol 9 addressing the fall of Atlas, Jaune's depression, Ruby's struggle, how Weiss is dealing with it... Or most character arcs?
All of it skipped.
Movie 1 addressed Jaune's issues (before atlas fall) which was more than what vol 9 did.
He just got written off as crazy and had a bad time before the reset button was pressed on him.
Vol 9 Ruby had to address the issue of her feeling guilty about what happened before learning she was perfect all along and self reflection of her mistakes was for losers.
After all that character growth and chance for change or understanding had to be saved for the movie.
Weiss was comic relief in vol 9 not even addressing how her home, life, family, and everything she knew could be gone now.
Movie Weiss had those issues.
Yet both movie and volume ended the same... Did this effective the wider story at all? Nope.
Vol 9 was a filler arc as the only change was them thinking it was time to stop teasing a ship and to confirm or stop.
They had magic tree leaves that when burned could make someone face their issues (or lack of issues if you are team RWBY) and an immortal enemy who can't die unless she faces her issues, has the world vaporized, or the Gods of their world fixing the problem.
Seriously! Grab a branch! Make tea drinks and shove it down her throat or have the (no longer having issues) team rwby trying holding her within the mist and fight off the grim as the cloud forces the grim lady to deal with her issues!
A cannon win button right there used against an enemy even... And then just ditched because it could actually meant something!
Seriously you could have skipped volume 9 and watched these two movies instead! It would have been shorter and you would have come out with a lot more stuff happening!
Seriously! Nothing happened in volume 9! Any chance for revelation, character moments, or information was literally skipped over!
Hey I don't think they're unfortunate. I thought they were fun, just dumb fun. A strange crossover but a fun story.
Wonder Women embarrassing herself in front of some the girls by messing up in the Plane is my life
I loved it. Absolute bananas. Had such a good time. Not good films but I'm so happy it's here.
You know I wasn't that mad at the writing? I went in expecting the worst. Something like batman hushed but I got Batman the brave and the bold instead. Not the best but not as bad as I thought it would be.
I dare you to do rwby thoughts on rwby justice league movie just for the laughs
first off I think the problem with all crossovers is they know it well never be revisited, but don't do much with the fan service. Example batman and
TMNT have a cross over Good movie but Casey, April, and master splinter never meet batman which I think would have been cool especially if it was from the 2012 universe. This cross over we never see characters like, sun and crow and Oscar, and many more. That said both that problem and those listed in this vid. Could have been solved if this was a series. Imagine postpone all production on the main RWBY I mean rooster teeth is going bankrupt anyways sooooo put everything into this hail marry with DC comics and WB and maybe all three can benefit. 26-50 eps, half in remnent and half in the DC world. In the first half escape with in the first 3 eps. then explored the world. With moments including key characters that both honors who they are in canon and serves the story. Then basically the same thing in the second half just in the DC verse. I mean we could have had the story go off planet have ruby get a blue lantern ring for a bit, yang could get a red one. then the last 4-5 eps would be the final battle with increasing stakes. I'll admit I'm not a pro writer so in short I'm saying if you know you're never going to do this again go all out give fans everything. Most if not all of these problems exist because time constraint forbid them from being fully explored. Such as Blake not being a faunas if yang got hurt in a way that Blake could have prevented had she been a fanuas would have been a great pay off.
did you forget they set up the tmnt and Batman movie for a potential sequel with Shredder on Joker Toxin?
I didn't know Troy Baker was Batman! Even if the movies are bad, that alone will get me to finally watch them.
iirc He voiced him in Arkham Origins too, if you want Troy Baker Batman I'd highly recommend that instead.
@@nagger8216 Troy Baker didn't voice Batman in Arkham Origins, Arkham Origins Batman's Va is the current Sonic's va(besides LA movies that is a different guy).Troy Baker voiced Joker in Origins tho.He also voiced both Batman and Joker in Batman vs TMNT movie.
The Yang and Flash scene was by far the worst part of the movie.
It makes Flash look weak to give Yang something to do. Flash lost so much more that he can never get back. Yang lost an arm. An arm that was easily replaced. FOR FREE.
Flash lost both parents in one day. He lost his girlfriend. He lost his sidekick. That’s just scratching the surface of his suffering.
So hearing Yang act like the authority on trauma and loss because she got a war wound makes me feel like the writers either never suffered more than their coffee shop being closed or they just don’t know who the Flash is.
Let's see yang be all smug when she has to face the reverse flash who would fuck up her life any chance he can
even if bruce did want powers he only get's them when he is in the rwby universe and no way in hell is he abandoning gotham alfred gordon the robins batgirl etc the sole reason he became a hero in the first place to protect a universe he has never even been too before and seemingly did fine for god knows how long before he showed up compared to gotham which is literally cursed
LMAO I was listening to this video at work and it took me a second to realize that $40 was to buy a copy, not the budget of the films 😂😂😂😂