Absolutely fantastic to see the old style lathes still working and a setter operator designer who is up to the job,having been a machine tool setter for over 50 years and now retired,I would be enthralled to be able to see your workshop,just real magic watching you work sir
Great job, man, I like old machines, it`s simple, robust but functional. All my machines is 60-70's. I spent a lot of time for scraping, resurfacing and rebuilding it to return factory precision of it. Most modern of it is 1980 fully hydraulic operated 7M36 shaper. Subscribed! With best regards from Russia.
I was surprised how quickly you were able to get the pulley mounted and centered. Great job. I love seeing the old machinery being used to machine parts..... for old machinery. And that Victorian lathe is pure mechanical art. Lovely. Yours is my favorite machine shop on TH-cam. Nothing else like it.
You may never need that boring bar again but it certainly did the job this time. Things like that generally do get used more often than not. Good job good job...
There is a steam driven line shaft machine shop in Kinzer Pennsylvania. They have a lot of machines of similar vintage. I go every year in August when they have an open house. At noon all of the steam engines blow their whistles (40-50 engines) It is ear splitting. :)
That is a very impressive boring bar to go with a really quite awesome old lathe, and it sounds a whole lot quieter than the little one did Very nice job . Thanks for sharing
Definitely relaxing and mesmerising watching old belt driven machinery, that lathe should be given a listed status not only due to its age but the fact that it and many like it were the back bone of the UK's engineering history. Thanks for saving it, unlike new ones with all the modern technology, it has a soul.
What a beautiful beast of a lathe! And that cutout of the bed for large diameter parts. Brilliant! Our forefathers were not limited in their possibilities just because they did not have pushbutton DROs.
Thank you Alec for the video and for explaining what you are doing and why you are doing it. Even your bore-ing videos are not bor-ing - sorry, could not resist the pun.
Very interesting video. Beautiful vintage machinery, maintained with attention to detail. It would be interesting to view images of late 19th century workshops full of belt driven machinery. Something on a vast scale like shipbuilding or the armaments industry. Would a large concern utilize steam donkey engine to power things like cranes?
Ran maintenance on a couple of furniture workshops in the 80s that still used overhead belt drive for all their tools. Just to satisfy Health and Safety we had belt guards made out of 2inch mesh, most were just panels to stop you walking into some of the belts. They also tended to be removed after the annual H&S audit , the old hands thought they were more trouble than they were worth. Main item for maintenance was ensuring that the bearing blocks for the overhead drive shafts were greased and lubricated, also made sure to keep the “clutch” mechanisms adjusted to minimise play and make engaging drive for a drill press etc as smooth as possible. The smoother the engagement less strain and wear on the pulleys. Both workshops gone now, all scrapped and houses built on the land. Just curious, are you going to deepen the keyway in the pulley ? Also, what happened to the old narrow boat you had ?
I love hearing stories like that, wood shops are a different kettle of fish! Yes, the key way does need deepening. I forgot to mention that at the end! A job for the shaper! I am still working on the boat, but I wanted to focus on other things with the channel. Cheers!
Does that thing come in an ANC (abacus numerical control) model? Kidding aside, it was really interesting to see some line shaft machinery in actual operation. I'm going to look for more of your videos.
Being a jackass, I'd be fitting an alternator or dynamo to allow simple cnc operation. I have such a plan for my slightly newer (1905) equipment! In watching these videos, I came to understand how the back gearing works on my B&S No. 3 mill -very useful.
I cringed when I heard you move your tail stock. Your bed is dry and gritty. It should move smooth and easily on thick way oil. Apply thick way oil then move your slides and wipe down with paper towel then reapply way oil and do this over and over until parts move smoothly without the tell tail high pitched grit sound, that tells you you are wearing out your bed. Things should move silently, and glide nearly effortlessly once in motion. Develop an ear for it and it will save you and your machines in the end.
Top notch bit of work! And very poignant timing too. Have you ever had to make a wheel like this from scratch? I'm nearing the end of a restoration on an 1892 power hammer and the drive wheel is missing. It's an unusual size that I haven't been able to locate so it means I have to fabricate one. Knowing that a lot of these larger wheels are rolled plate gives me hope that I can make it work, especially doing it in two pieces like this so I can avoid the flats off a slip roller. How well balanced do these need to be? I assume the better job I do the smoother it will run. Instead of the cast hub, unless I can find one of those to use, I'll have to machine one too. Any info or things to watch out for would be greatly appreciated! This hammer is only my second excursion into belt driven tooling so there's a lot to learn!
Thanks! No, I've never made one of these from scratch, although I've often thought about it. If I were to, Id copy this one. The castings are cheap enough here so Id cast the hub in the 2 parts and probably thread in the spokes. On some pulleys the spokes were laid in the mould and the hub cast around them. A bit like traction engine wheels. But that would be a lot more work at the foundry. On this pulley, the spokes were definitely added afterwards, either threaded or pressed, I cant tell without cutting it up. Id lean toward the latter though. The spokes themselves are forgings, heavily upset on the rim end with a short tenon afterwards. This is peened after passing though the rim. In your situation, I might lean towards fabricating a 'casting' from steel, if a real casting isn't feasible. I've seen some great looking results done this way! Good luck!
@@iron_jonesy Thanks for the great info! I suppose one of the benefits of an assembly is that remaking parts that don't end up making the cut is less work overall than starting from scratch every time!
I don't know if you are aware that most flat pulleys are not flat but have a crown on them, it is to keep the belt on. Just so you know and can take it into your planning. Brings back memories.
@@FailedExpert6330 Indeed! And a new puzzle to try and figure out! I'll have to remeasure but I don't think the diameter I need will fit in the lathe, it not being a gap bed. Thanks for the info!
Wow that pulley was close to the wall, LOL. You couldn't go any larger. Good job adding the washers as spacers. That more than makes up for the 0.010" over on the 3" diameter. It will clamp up nicely.
It is interesting to closely examine the F. Pratt lathe design features and compare to 1935 South Bend model C. Fundamental changes were a transition as steam to electric drive and also, the development of various metals. The split bed feature shown as to increase workpiece OD, clearly an advantage to design. The South Bend as I mention had a very similar back gear and drive gear design, and also was a belt drive (cone type). I rather like to watch a workpiece as to this lathe type and then find a CNC machine tool post as to compare past and present cutting speeds. Thanks for the view to your shop and work flow. M.
@@iron_jonesy Before your channel I had never seen an F. Pratt of this type. I also looked up the treadle type and thought of the effort required at that job type. I installed my S. Bend to raised block leveled to wide, pine blocking, and continue to add to original tooling but where I have the modern advantage of inexpensive tool source. My shop is small and mostly as to auto repair bit I do find tractor work also, in various fitting. I find I try for simplicity in set up and best tool and as for precision, it meets my needs where in particular, I try for best finish. I did add a modern 3 jaw chuck (China) for small bits. While the S. Bend units were hand scraped to delivery, years of use (90) has seen wear at the bed way nearer the headstock and some impact marring at near workpiece sanded and cleaned , wear which can be lessened with attention to chips and travel. Basically, a 1 meter span. Absolutely enjoying your posts of various repair, and I bid you fair winds and a good season from Washington state, US. M.
The inside of the cone doesn't need lubricating when the back gears aren't in use because it locks to the spindle. When using back gears the cone spins freely on the spindle so needs oil.
She was built by F. Pratt & Co, Halifax in the 1890s. The design was very common amongst English Victorian makers and starting to get a bit old fashioned by the time this one was built. Cheers!
Your lathe bed look to be a bit dry , that important to keep the flat bed covered with clean oil to avoid wear and worth galling , apply oil with a fabric full of oil , move your carriage both way and remove the excess of oil with a dry fabric . Great to see old machine tool still working
Dear bro I love old machines this is a history of industrial revolution Lathe Machine is the mother of all machine so please keep it for the next generation. I think machine bead is dry so please before use the machine cleane and lube bead guide ways bushes Warm regards, Waseem from Pakistan
First time to your channel. I'll probably subscribe. Where are you located? I'm assuming, always dangerous, somewhere in UK, possibly Manchester . Above and left of the window is a brass something fastened to the wall. Too pointy to be a horse brass, so I'm curious as to what it is or represents. Regards from Canada's banana belt. 🤞🇨🇦🍌🥋🕊🇺🇦🕊🇬🇧🏁👍
an interesting but disappointed video, you did nt show or explain the pulley on the end of the crane, i was wondering what kind of pulley would be fixed to the forks at the end of the boom, now it's up a and running and you didn't explain it otherwise typical good interesting, informative video, thanks
What a treat to see an older machine running to keep an old piece of shafting equipment running in this new age.
Absolutely fantastic to see the old style lathes still working and a setter operator designer who is up to the job,having been a machine tool setter for over 50 years and now retired,I would be enthralled to be able to see your workshop,just real magic watching you work sir
Thank you!
I served my apprenticeship in a workshop with some machines as old over 60 years ago in New Zealand. They probably are still working.
Great job, man, I like old machines, it`s simple, robust but functional. All my machines is 60-70's. I spent a lot of time for scraping, resurfacing and rebuilding it to return factory precision of it. Most modern of it is 1980 fully hydraulic operated 7M36 shaper. Subscribed! With best regards from Russia.
I was surprised how quickly you were able to get the pulley mounted and centered. Great job. I love seeing the old machinery being used to machine parts..... for old machinery. And that Victorian lathe is pure mechanical art. Lovely. Yours is my favorite machine shop on TH-cam. Nothing else like it.
I think it took me a whole day in real time! haha. Especially when you include making the packing block, studs, straps etc. Thank you!!
You may never need that boring bar again but it certainly did the job this time. Things like that generally do get used more often than not. Good job good job...
There is a steam driven line shaft machine shop in Kinzer Pennsylvania. They have a lot of machines of similar vintage. I go every year in August when they have an open house. At noon all of the steam engines blow their whistles (40-50 engines) It is ear splitting. :)
That's a beautiful lathe. Love that old metal. Thanks for sharing.
I love seeing all this "primitive" machinery run. Thank you sir for the content and your dedication.
Awsome job, great setup, enjoyable to watch. I bet your vintage lathe has done that operation numerous times in its past life.
Love the sound of your shop there's something rest full in its retheme.
Me too! No need for the radio. I couldn't hear it anyway
Dude this is the baddest shit ever !
Just watched u cut a key way with that shaper, thanks for keeping these old beauty’s alive son,
That is a very impressive boring bar to go with a really quite awesome old lathe, and it sounds a whole lot quieter than the little one did
Very nice job .
Thanks for sharing
Thanks! It was worth making I think, I'm sure it'll get another use one day
Thanks!
Thanks Terry!
Definitely relaxing and mesmerising watching old belt driven machinery, that lathe should be given a listed status not only due to its age but the fact that it and many like it were the back bone of the UK's engineering history. Thanks for saving it, unlike new ones with all the modern technology, it has a soul.
Agreed, too much has been lost!
What a beautiful beast of a lathe! And that cutout of the bed for large diameter parts. Brilliant! Our forefathers were not limited in their possibilities just because they did not have pushbutton DROs.
They definitely weren't!
Excellent video what an amazing old lathe It runs really well thanks for showing us the machine in action
Nice work.
I really like seeing these Old machines still working.
I just subscribed to your channel.
Have a good week. 👍
pleasure to see the old stuff!!! cheers
That's sure a nice old lathe, hope someday to find something like that for my shop. great video thanks.
The algorithm reckoned I’d like this. It was right. 👍
Thanks!
Cool video . I love your shop !
Love watching the old Beauty Queen work.
Это в прямом смысле Старая школа металлообработки!!! Сколько же заложено надежности и могучести в эти станки!!!
First timer here, very impressed with what I see of your shop. Be careful of that lead screw tho’. Thanks for sharing, have subbed.
What a treat to have your video recommended by the “algorithm”. Very interesting indeed. Now to binge watch your videos from the beginning. 👏👏👍😀
Thanks for stopping by!
Thank you Alec for the video and for explaining what you are doing and why you are doing it. Even your bore-ing videos are not bor-ing - sorry, could not resist the pun.
Very interesting video. Beautiful vintage machinery, maintained with attention to detail. It would be interesting to view images of late 19th century workshops full of belt driven machinery. Something on a vast scale like shipbuilding or the armaments industry. Would a large concern utilize steam donkey engine to power things like cranes?
Thank you! It must have been a sight to behold, 100s of such machines laid out, along with shafting and lifting gear as you say.
Nice job ... memories of when I worked for ICI Nobel division (we had a section of line drive Tube Drawing equipment).... cheers
Thank you, that sounds fascinating!
You'll certainly have a lot of views and subscribers with such kinds of stuff you showing. Great insights into such far past.
Ran maintenance on a couple of furniture workshops in the 80s that still used overhead belt drive for all their tools. Just to satisfy Health and Safety we had belt guards made out of 2inch mesh, most were just panels to stop you walking into some of the belts. They also tended to be removed after the annual H&S audit , the old hands thought they were more trouble than they were worth. Main item for maintenance was ensuring that the bearing blocks for the overhead drive shafts were greased and lubricated, also made sure to keep the “clutch” mechanisms adjusted to minimise play and make engaging drive for a drill press etc as smooth as possible. The smoother the engagement less strain and wear on the pulleys. Both workshops gone now, all scrapped and houses built on the land.
Just curious, are you going to deepen the keyway in the pulley ? Also, what happened to the old narrow boat you had ?
I love hearing stories like that, wood shops are a different kettle of fish!
Yes, the key way does need deepening. I forgot to mention that at the end! A job for the shaper! I am still working on the boat, but I wanted to focus on other things with the channel. Cheers!
Does that thing come in an ANC (abacus numerical control) model? Kidding aside, it was really interesting to see some line shaft machinery in actual operation. I'm going to look for more of your videos.
Thank you!
Being a jackass, I'd be fitting an alternator or dynamo to allow simple cnc operation. I have such a plan for my slightly newer (1905) equipment! In watching these videos, I came to understand how the back gearing works on my B&S No. 3 mill -very useful.
Just found your channel, what an amazing set up. Fantastic to see. 👌😎
Have subscribed. 🙂
I cringed when I heard you move your tail stock. Your bed is dry and gritty. It should move smooth and easily on thick way oil. Apply thick way oil then move your slides and wipe down with paper towel then reapply way oil and do this over and over until parts move smoothly without the tell tail high pitched grit sound, that tells you you are wearing out your bed. Things should move silently, and glide nearly effortlessly once in motion. Develop an ear for it and it will save you and your machines in the end.
What a lovely shop!
Top notch bit of work! And very poignant timing too. Have you ever had to make a wheel like this from scratch? I'm nearing the end of a restoration on an 1892 power hammer and the drive wheel is missing. It's an unusual size that I haven't been able to locate so it means I have to fabricate one. Knowing that a lot of these larger wheels are rolled plate gives me hope that I can make it work, especially doing it in two pieces like this so I can avoid the flats off a slip roller. How well balanced do these need to be? I assume the better job I do the smoother it will run. Instead of the cast hub, unless I can find one of those to use, I'll have to machine one too. Any info or things to watch out for would be greatly appreciated! This hammer is only my second excursion into belt driven tooling so there's a lot to learn!
Thanks! No, I've never made one of these from scratch, although I've often thought about it. If I were to, Id copy this one. The castings are cheap enough here so Id cast the hub in the 2 parts and probably thread in the spokes. On some pulleys the spokes were laid in the mould and the hub cast around them. A bit like traction engine wheels. But that would be a lot more work at the foundry. On this pulley, the spokes were definitely added afterwards, either threaded or pressed, I cant tell without cutting it up. Id lean toward the latter though. The spokes themselves are forgings, heavily upset on the rim end with a short tenon afterwards. This is peened after passing though the rim.
In your situation, I might lean towards fabricating a 'casting' from steel, if a real casting isn't feasible. I've seen some great looking results done this way! Good luck!
@@iron_jonesy Thanks for the great info! I suppose one of the benefits of an assembly is that remaking parts that don't end up making the cut is less work overall than starting from scratch every time!
I don't know if you are aware that most flat pulleys are not flat but have a crown on them, it is to keep the belt on. Just so you know and can take it into your planning. Brings back memories.
@@FailedExpert6330 Indeed! And a new puzzle to try and figure out! I'll have to remeasure but I don't think the diameter I need will fit in the lathe, it not being a gap bed. Thanks for the info!
Beautiful shop you have there! Just subscribed.
Thank you!
Very difficult to get a nice smooth cut at such a low speed.
Wow that pulley was close to the wall, LOL. You couldn't go any larger. Good job adding the washers as spacers. That more than makes up for the 0.010" over on the 3" diameter. It will clamp up nicely.
No haha! It was quite satisfying to use the all of the lathes capacity! Cheers
Best thumb nail on u-tube !
What a craftsman!
Thanks!
I love this old equipment....New subscriber here..Such a massive boring bar...-John
Hi, nice work! looks like you must have an old soul
Rich 😀
I learned turning on such a belt .driven lathe in 50"s . Being low speed machine, we used plain carbon steel tools
Flat belt pullies are not actually flat, they are crowned.
It is interesting to closely examine the F. Pratt lathe design features and compare to 1935 South Bend model C. Fundamental changes were a transition as steam to electric drive and also, the development of various metals. The split bed feature shown as to increase workpiece OD, clearly an advantage to design. The South Bend as I mention had a very similar back gear and drive gear design, and also was a belt drive (cone type). I rather like to watch a workpiece as to this lathe type and then find a CNC machine tool post as to compare past and present cutting speeds. Thanks for the view to your shop and work flow. M.
I also love comparing different aged machines and looking at the changes over time, Cheers!
@@iron_jonesy Before your channel I had never seen an F. Pratt of this type. I also looked up the treadle type and thought of the effort required at that job type. I installed my S. Bend to raised block leveled to wide, pine blocking, and continue to add to original tooling but where I have the modern advantage of inexpensive tool source. My shop is small and mostly as to auto repair bit I do find tractor work also, in various fitting. I find I try for simplicity in set up and best tool and as for precision, it meets my needs where in particular, I try for best finish. I did add a modern 3 jaw chuck (China) for small bits. While the S. Bend units were hand scraped to delivery, years of use (90) has seen wear at the bed way nearer the headstock and some impact marring at near workpiece
sanded and cleaned , wear which can be lessened with attention to chips and travel. Basically, a 1 meter span.
Absolutely enjoying your posts of various repair, and I bid you fair winds and a good season from Washington state, US. M.
hello Mr Iron very good hold work !!!! very interesting video !!! please to be continue ????
I like very mutch your video !!!
Many thanks!
Enjoyed. 👍
Thats awesome!
With the iron spokes and rolled steel outer rim a fast rotational speed would create a loud harmonic ruckus.😊 AL B. In Ohio.
Nice. I guess for drastic parts you need to take drastic measures.
Good thing the pulley wasn't bigger. That would have been a real challenge :)
It really was a close fit! Never thought I'd get to use all the capacity like that!
Oil the inside of the cone when I'm running the back gears right? Not a regular thing to do like the rest of the machine?
The inside of the cone doesn't need lubricating when the back gears aren't in use because it locks to the spindle. When using back gears the cone spins freely on the spindle so needs oil.
@@iron_jonesy Gotcha. I never really understood that part. It didn't seem right to just pump the entire thing full of oil. Always learning.
Interesting tool post capstan design….
Прекрасные старинные станки!
It’s a shame that a 4 jaw chuck isn’t available.👍
love the line but where is the steam engine to power it that would be more fitting for the period
Oh yes, it would be a lot more period!
Just found your channel. Subscribed. What make and model is that lathe?
She was built by F. Pratt & Co, Halifax in the 1890s. The design was very common amongst English Victorian makers and starting to get a bit old fashioned by the time this one was built. Cheers!
Da la impresion de que el torno este semifosilizado.
Your lathe bed look to be a bit dry , that important to keep the flat bed covered with clean oil to avoid wear and worth galling , apply oil with a fabric full of oil , move your carriage both way and remove the excess of oil with a dry fabric .
Great to see old machine tool still working
Why turn so low?
Why is boring bar hanging out so far?
for clearance .. the saddle comes close to the Pulley OD.
👍👍👍!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dear bro I love old machines this is a history of industrial revolution Lathe Machine is the mother of all machine so please keep it for the next generation. I think machine bead is dry so please before use the machine cleane and lube bead guide ways bushes
Warm regards, Waseem from Pakistan
What year is the lathe from ?
@@RogerClay-g6w the mid 1890s
Please oil the bed ways
Were you hand feeding?
Nope, there is a back shaft driven from the change gears which drives the saddle and provides either sliding or surfacing feeds
@@iron_jonesy I've come across the backshaft for surfacing, but never realised it could be for sliding as well. Very interesting.
Torno bem antigo e forte.
hammer to fit file to finish
put some oil on the ways please!
If you had bored it oversize a file across the faces would have tightened it up.
That's the beauty of these, plenty of clearance between the halves.
Usually I never say this, but where is the apostrophe!?!
That was so boring😅
First time to your channel. I'll probably subscribe. Where are you located? I'm assuming, always dangerous, somewhere in UK, possibly Manchester .
Above and left of the window is a brass something fastened to the wall. Too pointy to be a horse brass, so I'm curious as to what it is or represents.
Regards from Canada's banana belt. 🤞🇨🇦🍌🥋🕊🇺🇦🕊🇬🇧🏁👍
Yep, I'm in England! Its a 'knot', made of aluminium strips. It serves no purpose, just a nick nack I made many years ago. Cheers!
an interesting but disappointed video, you did nt show or explain the pulley on the end of the crane,
i was wondering what kind of pulley would be fixed to the forks at the end of the boom, now it's up a and running and you didn't explain it otherwise typical good interesting, informative video, thanks
Ah yes, this is a temporary set up. I'll be covering the permanent solution soon, but for now I've had to jump onto other projects. Cheers.
@iron_jonesy OK thanks for the reply and explanation