ABH Subculture Review & Demo
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Time Stamps
Where to find 6:42
Packaging 7:24
Made In 7:49
Shipping 9:16
Shadow Finishes 9:26
Vegan/CF 11:06
Formula vs MR 11:16
Oxidize Question 16:13
Cost Breakdown 17:08
Demo 17:32
Wear 25:42
Swatches 26:26
ABH Palette Comparisons 29:15
Shadow Blending Comparison 29:51
Pressing 32:20
Final Thoughts 33:35
Products Shown
ABH Subculture
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In case you were wondering, in short: Stephanie enjoys the palette, but she would not exactly recommend because the reviews are so polarizing. She recommends you go to the store and test!
tank you girl for real some comments are stating that Stephanie hates it and i´am gonna quote `` if you blend the shades gonna turn grey`` and i was like WTF did we saw the same video ???
Morte Faery thanks you've saved me for having to watch the whole video
With the palette you cannot blend out the colors but if you layer and pack on the colors they aren't so bad.
the reviews shouldn't affect her opinion though x I mean, its obvious that lots of them were for views and to ironically develop 'honesty' in their channels
Thank you for this suggestion. It is about 3 hrs to get to Ulta, and about the same to get to Sephora in the opposite direction. But, I do like the colors you showed, and may try it.
I honestly could not love you anymore ... you are just perfection and your reviews are amazing xxxx
Wayne Goss - Stephanie educates and never does this ' you must have blah blah blah' never tries to 'sell' a product or EVER makes false claims about herself or what she is talking about. Also has a moderator to ensure no bullying goes on and for that, i commend her 😘
Wayne I've been looking for your channel for ages and finally found you through your comment! :D
I love you both.
This is like the gold stamp of approval. WG in the flesh!!!
Well said Wayne!! I’ve learnt a lot from you both. And am very appreciative of that.
THANK YOU for pointing out what happens to complimentary colors when you mix them. I was yelling at my screen when I saw youtubers mix purple and yellow and then complain when they turn brown.
This especially is gonna happen with almost pure pigment!
I saw the red turn purple when mixed with gold or yellow though to be fair
meepmoopmeep1 I know right?! Especially when a makeup artist doesnt know why two complementary colors turn gray (or muddy) when blended together 🙈! I guess, as someone who grew up in art, I assumed artists in general knew basic color theory. My bad I guess?? 😂
meepmoopmeep1 I know right ! It's like they never play with water color when they were young..
lot of these beauty influencers need to take an art class thats for sure.
I watched all 38mins of this and I dont even wear eyeshadow.
lmao you da real mvp.
camille medina girl me too
Right?! I've been a pro for over 20 yrs and love Steph!
I'm not sure I ever even heard of the brand until this palette took over Reddit (which basically is right around the time I joined to join the makeup subs, it seems) but I like this girl's review style
camille medina same lol 😂
How many people were waiting for this? Damn.
T LK A LOT
T LK since freakin last night !!!
YES!
since she posted about it on instagram
Me
Yassssssss. The video TH-cam's beauty community has been waiting for! Explain this palette, cause we have no idea what's happening.
Christine Anderson LOL, right?! I keep seeing people who are very adamant about their stances, though; I've been waiting for this to simply link because trying to explain something just is not that easy in this community, as you probably know! 😹😹
at least the emotionally mature community... the drama seeking one has plenty of material..
This gonna be the real review
Katy Kalyptra Also an educated review 👏
Katy Kalyptra you know it 😍
I agree!!!!!!
Comment of the day.
lmao the shade towards other yters is so PIGMENTEDDD!!
In my opinion, ABH made a mistake when they marketed this as the "sister palette" of Modern Renaissance. People immediately would assume the formula and application to be the same. They should have used other colours that were less "temperamental", and save these shades for a new palette, not related to MR, with a new ultra-soft formula and ultra-intense pigments, and prepare customers beforehand about how to apply them to get the best results. In any case, thank you so, so much for giving such a detailed explanation of how to properly use shadows as soft as these and about product manufacturing. As usual, it's incredibly helpful hearing opinions as honest and knowledgable as yours :)
I Agree! This whole drama could have been avoided it the pallet was marketed correctly!
PlugInKali first negative comment I've agreed with all day lol
PlugInKali sisters aren't the same, twins are. They said SISTERS. Doesn't mean the same!
SISTER does not mean TWIN, simply that they're related. :)
Sisters are generally SIMILAR to each other, thus why the majority of people had assumed that the application and formula would at least be similar. They literally said that it was just supposed to be the night version of the Modern Renaissance which at very least insinuates that it is supposed to be similar. Which it definitely is not, it's an entirely different formula. The only thing that could even be similar is the god damn packaging.
Guess there is such a thing as "TOO PIGMENTED" Never thought the day would come when people would be disappointed with a product for being too pigmented.
Unfair & Lovely I agree. Too much of a good thing sometimes
I imagine this palette being like pure pigments. They are usually harder to use, but if you know how to use them, they are beautiful.
Unfair & Lovely lol, right? Be careful what you ask for lol. Not everyone is always happy...
Everyone was waiting for this video to come through 😂😂
MrsCurioCheerio I know! You know her review will be good!
MrsCurioCheerio i haven't watched anyone's...i was waiting for hers. Actually was looking for it last night.
I only watched Alyssa Ashley and Too much Mouth. But i really wanted to see Stephanies
MrsCurioCheerio HONESTLY
yeah now i know it IS the beauty gurus and their lack of skills x
All gurus are ripping into subculture when giving their opinions and saying how much they dislike it but many reviewing the KKW contour sticks mention subpar qualities about it but justify them and still say they recommend it... hmmm
Nicole Caravella but isn't that what SN just did in this video too?
No hate just a question. I think that different gurus are going to try to justify a bad product for whatever reason that may be.
Nicole Caravella i love you for that comment 😂
Nicole Caravella epic!! That is the end all statement there!
Nicole Caravella Right?!! Amen!!
Nicole Caravella "gurus"
Some of you just crack me up. You say you trust Stephanie and her opinion until it's not what you agree with. Just because your favorite youtubers hated it, doesn't mean they're right and everyone else is lying. She always gives the most informative and honest reviews on products and she even said she doesn't recommend you buy it until you go in and try it yourself. Thank you Stephanie for another great review.
Girl exactly. just because I like a youtuber doesn't not mean I blindly follow everything they say. Everyone's skin and application is different, what works for a youtuber may not work for them.
I also notice that people prefer youtubers to trash products instead of liking them, it's like they get a kick out of them bashing a product. They also think any good reviews are fake. It could be fake, but on the other hand some youtubers make really negative reviews on popular/trending products just to get views. It's a mess.
Karen Franco THANK YOU! I would've been better off saying I hated it, but I'm not going to lie. I knew I was going to get shit, but it's ok. Can't please everyone. I don't even want to try. It's exhausting 😂
People are idiots.
Karen Franco exactly my thoughts
Karen Franco 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
My purchase is literally hanging on the results of this video. I watch with anticipation 😂
Holly Cockerham what are you thinking now on the purchase? I'm just so curious at this point I want to try it especially after SN's review.
Holly Cockerham yes or no ???
Holly Cockerham this is how I feel with most of her videos lmao
So what's your conclusion?
I'm dying to know.
I feel this comment
AHHHH!!! I've never clicked so fast in my life!! Who else has been waiting for this with such anticipation?! 🙋🏽
Perfectly You Beauty yup! Me
Perfectly You Beauty ✋️
Did the same thing! Clicked so fast, I don't even know how long this would be.
It seems like you have to really go with an extremely light hand and watch which colors you combine... definitely not for a quick look. Seems like you have to slow down and take a lot of time.
Hannah Zoé , SAME!!💖💖💖
I love your reviews because they are very detailed and balanced, you point out good and bad points, down to price comparison and ingredients. We all know you are very honest and appreciate it, thanks for all you do.
At the end of the day, the Subculture palette isn't user friendly enough for the majority of people buying it. The majority of people don't know colour theory, they don't have experience to blend it and that's why there's a problem. People want to be able to pick up a palette and create a look with not much hassle, and they can't do it with Subculture. That's why everyone is upset. ABH have really missed the mark with this one.
blackglittercandy then the average consumer should stay away.
Spot on
Cat K to be fair Subculture was marketed to the average consumer.
blackglittercandy agree. an eyeshadow doesn't need to be complicated, or else it must have any warning at least. some already destroyed the palette.
blackglittercandy I think the name "subculture" really suits this palette. Its only for a "subculture" of experienced makeup lovers who love this kind of makeup. The colors alone should be enough to detract the average person from buying it, as they don't really fit the aesthetic that is popular right now. Its very editorial. Its more of a novelty than a staple compared to its counterpart, which is not "missing the mark." The biggest thing I would criticize about this is the advertising. Anastasia advertised it the same as modern renaissance in terms of quality and type of product. They should have told consumers how it really is.
YES THE ONE REVIEW OF THIS PALLET I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR
I love that note about mixing complementary colors! I'm and artist and watching influencers put on opposite colors together and say "ugh it's getting so muddy, this palette is bad!" is so frustrating.
Kasi Precisely! I, too, do painting in canvass. Mixing complementary colors is the basic of color mixing. I wonder why some people who are using makeup don't know about this.
Kasi
Right? And then they tell their subscribers not to buy it because they don't know basic color theory.
It's so frustrating that people who don't understand (or pretend they don't understand) basic color principles are influencers.
i think it's because some colors on opposites of color wheel can look good together in other pallet and the muddy effect can be avoided easier. in subculture it gets muddy quickly
that and they don't even try different application techniques. seems like the only ones who can make "bad" palettes work are those with a background in art.
I feel like the whole TH-cam world has been waiting for your review! Living for the indept review got my snacks ready!
Can always count on Stephanie for an educated and unbiased review.Since watching her channel I no longer waste money on products that don't perform.Her "drama free" approach is so refreshing.Thank you Stephanie,I so appreciate you!!!
Do you actually think I'm gonna watch a 39 minute Stephanie Nicole video? Damn right I will!
finally, a review we know is 100% genuine.
Exactly! And vintageortacky was also 100% honest.
Joe Gacek genuine but SUBJECTIVE as she pointed out
I know thats kind of rude to say about people considering Stephanie just said that other people's experiences or views on the palette are valid too.
literally, appreciate her channel so much
Joe Gacek you can watch vintageortacky too :)
the amount of times someone has told me "wait for stephanie nicole's review" when i mentioned wanting the subculture palette is rly outstanding (i heard it definitely more than 8 times) and now i'm excited to finally watch it 😂
also i am definitely the "leader of the asshole brigade" 😭😭😂
People are expecting SN to bash this palette and because she isn't apparently she's being disingenuous?? This was the most thorough review I've seen on TH-cam stating both the pros and cons whilst also sharing the best techniques on how to apply these shadows. I don't see why there's so much hate? With the information given you choose for yourself if the palette is right for you or not. I don't understand why people are so upset ....? This was the best review I've seen thus far.
Brittany Harden mob mentality. I knew I'd be better off "hating" it. But that wasn't honest. I'll never apologize for my honest opinions ❤️ thank you Brittany
I LITERALLY COULD NOT TRUST ANYONE LIKE I KNOW I FEEL THE SAME AS EVERYONE ELSE BUT I HAVE JUST BEEN SITTING HERE WAITING FOR YOU TO DEBUNK THIS WHOLE SITUATION
although I have watched a million reviews of this, yours is the ONLY one I've been waiting for. I trust your reviews so much
I love and depend on your reviews. They're everything I need and want in a review. Thank you Steph!
Watching this video actually made me WANT to buy this palette and that's the VERY FIRST TIME I have ever felt persuaded by a youtuber's take on an eyeshadow palette. I always feel extremely frustrated with having to brush my goddamn eyelids' skin away with most shadows + not getting a good amount of color by just touching the eyeshadow, so this is beautiful to see! I'm aware that this is likely not the way most people feel but it sounds like heaven to have a "responsive" eyeshadow as opposed to having to swirl the shit out of it + brush the shit out of my eyelids.
"At last my love has come along..." :)
Vintage Summers life! 🙌🏼😂
Vintage Summers
Vintage Summers when whas that part?
calleeka huh? Etta James😂
Even in the first 3 minutes you are so practical and lay it out how makeup is subjective! And not every product can be applied the same way. Love you and your channel so much!
It seems to be too much work to make the palette work. It's full of pigment and it's high quality but if a person has to change the way they've been doing their makeup for years to accomodate to the product, it's not worth it in my opinion, specially for people who are always on a rush doing their makeup like I do. Great review as always!
Agree. Some of us are constantly on the go, and don't have more then 15-20 minutes to do our make up. It's unrealistic for ppl who have shit to do lol. Smh
Melanie Padua Soto agreed! It looks like a lot of work and the colors are too militant for my taste, but I was still waiting on the edge of my seat for this review lol
This is quicker anyway lol since its more pigmented
I don't care for the palette much and don't plan on buying it, but as a makeup artist I always adapt my technique to different formulas... I have some eyeshadows that are ultra soft and pigmented and I pick up a tiny amount on my brush and then pat it on gently, build it up slowly. Some eyeshadows I can use a fluffy brush and pick up plenty of product and sweep it onto the lid with no issues. It's the same for a foundation. My Illamasqua skin base foundations require only a tiny amount of product for full coverage and I like to apply with a buffer brush, but with NARS sheer glow foundation I tend to use more of it with a damp beauty blender. Every product is different and I thought that it wasn't strange or new to adapt your technique depending on formula.
sa x Not really. You put too much on accident then you mess up the whole thing. If you're in a hurry, you are not attentive to how delicate you put your brushes in and don't have time to do all the things you have to do to make the product work.
Personally I think it was a marketing flaw. Norvina even states in the video subculture is like the sister of modern renaissance and that the palette is creamy and blendable. She should have marketed towards makeup artists who know about complementary colors and pure** pressed pigments, because the way it was portrayed, like an average consumer myself I would think it would be easy to blend and use like the modern renaissance palette (which I own and adore).
Day and Night are not the same. The sun is up in day and the moon is up at night. I think some people think "sisters" mean they should be the same. NO. If you have a sister, you would know what I mean. My sisters and I are very different from each other in look and style and attitude. I don't get why some would think sisters mean "the same" - very distinctly different.
I have to disagree with you. Sister palette at least means it is related in some way. And since it's not the colors, it's kinda expected to be the formula. I agree with you edwardlovrr, that it was a marketing issue. Make people aware of how this is supposed to be used and they will not complain that it's not working.
@@ressydm1 then if they are supposed to be distinctly different, why even call it a sister pallet? What does sister pallet even mean in this case? It seems as though you're implying that term means nothing.
You know she's gonna go IN when it's 40 minutes long. Love how thorough you are stef I'm excited for this. I was gonna order on the Sephora release saw but I realized I need ur opinion in combination with a few other bloggers I trust before I spend my money.
She didn't kept us waiting. Steph is spoiling us.
I 100% agree that is it just a preference thing. I like to go in LIGHTLY and sparingly with my shadows, so I treated this palette the same way I treat my MR Palette, and I had zero issues.
I've seen at least 5 demos and reviews on this palette ..but your the first one who has applied the shadows this way and picking up the colors from the brush to the eye..thank you for your expertise...very good review...your very detailed Idk why you don't have surpassed into the millions in subs ..you are so goood!!!much deserved for sure
Maria Casella thanks for watching Maria!
I'm not a makeup artist, but I love makeup and ABH it didn't take a brain scientist to understand that this palette is a little different. I love the shades. I just didn't understand that Norvina would compare it to MR because it's totally different, the only thing the same is the packaging. Thank you for your thoughts on this. I'm so glad someone like you takes the time to give better information on this.💜
I've seen them all, but this is the one I've been waiting to watch.
YES the only review that matters 😩👏🏼🙌🏼
Also Kylie Jenner's commercial for her new show played as the ad and i thought it was sooo ironic.
haley street the review we have all been waiting for!! 😈
Most people complaining and hating the pallet are people who will spray their brush with setting spray to get the best colour payout for shimmers. But won't lighten the pressure they use to apply shadows to get the best payout from the Subculture pallet. Not every product is made to be used to same way! What is so hard to understand?
Great review as always Stef. I think the reason many find you trustworthy is not only because of your definitive opinion but also because you have first hand knowledge of the process from working in the beauty industry. Everytime I watch your reviews, I learn something new and that makes all the difference.
The way she schools us tho 😭🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Thank you, Stephanie for your honest, unbiased review. Your knowledge is rarely matched in the TH-cam community. Love, love, love, your honesty and your inability to be " bought" by PR freebies. Keep on with yo bad self! Love you!
when u have no intention of buying this but you watch it just for the read
Liana Reilly same here. I just like the education I get from her!
SAME
Literally me right now.
liana r same ❤️
This is the first review I've ever watched of yours. It was so awesome to see you give such a thorough review. Lots of times, influencers will talk about ingredients, formula, and color theory and not know what they're talking about. Your videos are a breath of fresh air, and I will definitely be subscribing!!
Monet Washington agreed
I do my makeup the same way.
I have had bitches tell me I was wrong, but my eyes are hooded too and i can't do crazy shit like these TH-cam MUAs.
Also, I am 100% salty that you have the master palette. Ugh.
Sue Z I agree on everything you said!!! Lol. I sooo want the Mario palette!!!!!
Sue Z I wish I could give you my master palette. I don't like it. And I hit pan on the 'Kim' shade within two weeks 😩
i do the same technique too and people who don't even use makeup or wear it so sloppily trying to tell me what to do like BYE.
Sue Z Hooded eye girls unite! Such limited space up there.
I really appreciate that you are advising your viewers to go try the palette them self in stores before purchasing instead of completely shunning it.
It looks like I am first one here. I love your professional, honest and informative videos. I have been waiting for this review but I am glad that you don't jump out there with first impressions but take time to be thorough. I love ABH and own every pallet but despite all the info I think you have to try it yourself and purchase from somewhere you can return. I am light handed with touch and very skilled in application but I also don't believe you should have to have an advanced degree to use some damn eyeshadow
Lorraine Johnson-Coleman Completely agree! However I live in Switzerland and while yes, we get testers, also from foundation shades, we can't return cosmetics once opened 😔 I have wasted so much money and am so thankful for videos like this ❤️
Lorraine Johnson-Coleman exactly. I think the looseness and high level of pigment requires a very light hand and a lot of time and patience. I don't think the average consumer really operates that way. It seems like this palette would be for special occasions only. But if you are selling to the masses you need to take all of that into consideration.
Thats exactly what I was saying. I'm not holding this pallets hand just to get it to perform correctly. It should have come with a big disclaimer: Too soft to apply with a fluffy brush. Must be gentle or risk hitting pan.
I know everyone said that this was the review they were waiting for but I dont think they actually watched the video before commenting. She said exactly what everyone who hated the pallet said, "The pallet has a ton of fallout, the shadows are soft and dont blend well, if blended they will turn grey on the eye, and they cannot be touched hard." So based on that this pallet is still a no for me.
Completely agree. People are too quick to say that the ones that didn't like it are just hating or can't do makeup, but I honestly do believe there were some batch problems or something. And like you said it's just eyeshadow, so we shouldn't have to treat it like it's a nuclear bomb that we have to be super careful with. No one should act like the ones who didn't like this palette don't have valid reasons for disliking it. That's just my opinion though.
I really don't like the fact that Norvina gave, what I think was a snarky response to Alissa for her review, then turned around & thanked Jeffree (who had a similar opinion to Alissa) for his honesty. Her blaming the customers doesn't sit right with me. Even after she admitted there might be an issue with the palette, she's still retweeting & liking tweets from people who are throwing those who don't like it under the bus. If Morphe behaved like this, there would be an uproar. I don't understand why Norvina seems to be getting a pass from everyone. ABH was one of my favorite brands & she's turned me off the company as a whole.
vanessa ray TOTALLY AGREE
vanessa ray
Perhaps I haven't seen the comment that you're talking about, but the one that Stephanie showed in the video didn't seem snarky at all.
vanessa ray lmao oh gosh why are people so sensitive??? This is just makeup 👏🏼 makeup is the vainest thing as vain can go 🙄
vanessa ray it was kinda rude of Alissa to dig into a palette after Norvina said it was super soft pressed. Idk i see why both would be mad at each other
Kufre Akpan Alissa's review was the one that started it all. Norvina was still saying it was a sister to Modern Renaissance before Alissa's review. Norvina didn't say it was basically a pressed pigment until the bad reviews started rolling in.
To be honest, I'm still not sure how I feel about it.
There are well pigmented shadows that are not so sensitive to even very light use, that don't break down so easily. I've seen reviews by people who really enjoyed using ABH products and would have no reason to lie about them, using them in a careful way but still not being happy with the results...this doesn't seem like a coincidence to me.
There are well pigmented shadows that don't drag.
As far as I'm concerned, for the kind of price you will pay for ABH products, this kind of shadow breakdown is not worth the money - yet no one seems to be asking that question, is a fancy name worth having to treat a product with kid gloves? Not for my money. Not to mention that I fail to see the point of a universal product like eyeshadow, that requires its own special method of use. Soft is fine, but no matter how much money people have to throw away on more repeated purchases of expensive products, I feel there must be am even balance of pigment and longevity and stability...other brands do this far better.
The video from Norvena shows her claiming 'These are the only palletes (this and MR) that I would ever need if I were traveling'. Really?! Who would ever risk taking this expensive pallete with them while traveling knowing how overly soft it is? Not me for sure, it'd take only the lightest knock or drop to break these things apart. Drop tests be damned - I'm not taking that risk. Nor am I happy with The company's responce to certain reviews - it would be far easier for her to just link people to a video explaining how the shadows are used so people can try again if they think they need to, or return it they feel they used them as instructed but still aren't happy. Responding as if everyone who was not happy with them must be new to ABH and were digging their brushes in (and thus they are at fault themselves), sorry, but that reply was condecending.
I seriously was considering trying the MH pallete as it contained a lot colours I really like (more than many palletes usualy do)...I won't be trying anything by ABH now - this kind weakness for that kind of price is not worth it for me.
hamstercom23 Has anyone done a drop test in one of their Subculture reviews? That would be interesting to see!
Why would anyone aggressively swirl their brush into an eyeshadow? That's a great way to ruin any eyeshadow. I heard of people constantly doing that and complaining about the shadows being powdery.
MakeupArtistme!
Because that's what you have to do with a lot of those YT popular brands that have referral codes etc...
MakeupArtistme! they would have kick back and to show they did a quick swirl
Yassss ! I have literally been waiting for this review. 🙌🏽
Ok can I just say I love you for dropping in the color theory knowledge? I'm by no means a makeup artist but I am a painter and I was screaming "CHROMATIC GREY" at some of the reviews.
That's why they say if you're a makeup artist and you know what you're doing, you can make anything work !! Love you❤️
Jenna Hernandez thank you. But I'm no makeup artist ❤️
Jenna Hernandez there are some make-up artist who don't like this palette, doesn't mean their bad at makeup
Stephanie Nicole With how educated you sounded about color theory and pigments, as well as your technique with making different types of shadows work, whether it is your profession or not, I would consider you a makeup artist, because you truly showed us art with this palette when it couldn't work for others. This palette worked for me so well that I couldn't understand why people were having issues with it, but this review/demo was so helpful it even helped me understand the palette even more. Thank you! ♡
Jenna Hernandez shouldnt have to make it work. Maybe dollar tree makeup .. Yeah make that work. .. But abh? No shouldnt have to make it work. Another thing. Its missing many important ingredients.
i think all those people or beauty gurus are not true makeup artist glad this palette is exposing them hehe
So I tweeted "why is everyone taking Stephanie Nicole's word as end all be all" and you replied "because I'm the most amazing person that ever lived.... duh 😬 totally joking" lmao. And now I see why ppl come to ur videos. U were sooooo thorough. I enjoyed this video. I can't wait until my store (I work at ulta) gets this so I can try the tester before I make a purchase.
Anisha Renee I was jk being a smart ass. But thank you for watching & giving me a chance 😉❤️
I love how you mentioned the color theory aspect and how when you mix the complimenting colors then it turns to a shadowy gray. I also love how you mentioned that it's a matter of preference in how you apply shadows.
The only review that is worth watching😊
Hana
I also watched A.Asley her review
Hana I feel the same way
So incredibly accurate! I was returning mine but not anymore. Its worth it to me! I just need to blend lighter. I'm loving this girl!
Hana idk about that. Wayne Goss had a good review...
Many viewers look to your videos not just for a review, but for the breakdown of costs and explaination of the formula and the "science" behind the cosmetics. We trust you for more than just a like/dislike point of view. You're probably one of the most respected reviewers on TH-cam.
Dee totally agree!
Dee thanks Dee ❤️
Stephanie Nicole Dee's comment is spot on. I was watching Jamie Gs tut yesterday and your name was on there. Then today, Steph Lang had a liquid lipstick tut, yet in the comments people mentioning hooded eyes, and there you are, recommended. I find wherever I go, I see your name as someone everybody recommends as honest, truthful and not a "sell out". It's a shame you've received some flack for this review, but, unfortunately, I think a lot of people want to see you "drag" everything from a drama point of view. However, the majority of us, appreciate your honesty and THIS is what makes you A*, that you don't jump on the "bashing it for the sake of it' bandwagon. Don't let the bastards get you down. Lots of love xxx
lol Science? Seeing this as a chemE is pretty cringy when and MUA tries to explain chemical composition or process design. Bottom line, if the consumer cant use it then whats the point.
Savannah Rodriguez you do realize she has a BSC in chemistry? She's never claimed to be an MUA.
34:14 "Would I recommend this? Honestly no"
DAMN. Okay. Thank you 🙌🏽
IMD I think you took this out of context. She said that she's not recommending it simply because she wants you to play with the formula yourself before you get it
she meant she can't recommend this to everyone x not that the palette is bad.
IMD
But did you listen to the reason why?
I was going to buy this palette because it's more my style than the modern renaissance, so thank you for explaining the best way to apply it.
So, I was waiting to hear your views on this to formulate an already pretty informed option on this palette. I really feel like Norvina feel into the trap of wanting to provide the MOST pigmented palette EVER because for some reason, we have come to believe that super pigmented = best quality or best application experience.
I've stated more than once that some of the issues were more about color theory and application than the actual product. I think it would be a great idea if she did go back and reformulated this palette to be a big more consumer friendly in terms of application.
Also, I think that it would probably benefit them as well as any other smaller company to have a panel of people whom they test their products with from all different types of people with different levels of experience. At the end of the day, ABH is a retail product sold to the everyday woman who enjoys / loves make-up. Ridiculously pigmented shadows are remarkable for editorial looks but let's face it, I don't want to have to gently tap and then with a feather like precision softly blend the color so that I don't look like bozo the clown.
I love ABH, I love the colors and concept of the palette but do feel that it was a misstep in the formula. Will pass on the palette but I think that the backlash from certain influencers happen to be more sensationalism because it draws views than informed and unbiased criticism.
Stephanie Nicole.... I'm very impressed with how you handled the review of this palette. Very professional and mature. I feel your point is accurate that people apply shadows differently and enjoy different degrees and variations of pigment, color, and softness. I have been annoyed so many times watching reviews from people who do not understand this concept and call palettes bad due to preference. I'm personally not purchasing the palette because the colors aren't my preference. Your business sensibilities ( as I can see how you answer commenters without inserting your own feelings,as well as answering with respect even when it's not given on the commenters side)and logical thinking are commendable. I can see why so many trust you with such evaluations. Good job girl!
I don't understand why people are just expecting her to go in and rip this palette to shreds. She is really not a bad person who loves giving negative reviews. She is just honest and real.
I was REALLY waiting for this video with all the drama going around. I completely trust you
Stephanie, I always appreciate your reviews!
I think I know where ABH messed up. It wasn't in product, but in expectations.
I own a business, and the biggest thing I can do to prevent disappointed customers is to manage expectations for the products and experience.
ABH decided to sale the idea of the Subculture palette as a "sister" to Modern Renaissance. People got the the palette expecting it to work and act similarly to MR, and it doesn't. That doesn't mean it is bad, but they are not the same.
You made a point that you can't build color with this like you do with other palettes. I regularly build color with the MR, and have no issues. Had I purchased this palette on launch (which I considered doing, but forgot), I would have assumed, based on MR, that I could do the same. I think that has lead a lot of people to not know how to use this palette.
(Though, not sure why anyone would swirl a ABH palette. I find touching works fine.)
I digress, ABH should have released videos discussing the very soft packing and color payout, since it is different than MR. They should have had plenty of videos showing the best way to blend/diffuse colors. As you pointed out, they muddy when they are mixed. That is something else ABH could have explained to prepared customers to have a better, more educated experience. Getting that information across platforms, so that as many people as possible would have known, may have helped with the issues they are having now.
I do think, even if it lessens pigment, packing the shadows harder will help the average makeup user enjoy the experience more and create a more mainstream-friendly palette.
At the end of the day, even if a product is good, a client not knowing how to use it can ruin the experience.
88freedomwriter yes, well said. 🙌🏼
Finally someone that speak with intelligence 👏🏼
88freedomwriter I agree, they probably should have explained that it's not a twin type sister, just a sister and people wouldn't have had these expectations.. that being said, this is one palette I absolutely wanted to get when it launched, but I have to wait til the holidays and I'm super disappointed that they're appeasing the masses to make it a more average / mainstream friendly palette. I don't get to splurge a lot, so every single palette takes experimenting to figure out how best to work them, but if these shadows aren't made to be hard pressed, they shouldn't be. Everything is changed when the masses aren't happy on IG these days, when the original product IS good it's just not made for the average bear.
88freedomwriter thank you so fucking much
oh man the bit about ABH releasing how this one differs with its formulation, pigmentation, and how it works, etc. etc. would have been such a good idea....
had it been done at the start! :(
but unfortunately (as the comments on this video suggests) if they do that now, they'll only receive even more backlash. since people take it as an insult on their makeup application and skills.
I must say that Stephanie's review is totally honest. No BS at all.
I'm chemist, got my hands on this palette and tested it before Stephani's review. So, I already had my own opinion about the palette and it totally matched with Stephani's. I think some people should appreciate her knowledge on cosmetics and remember that she is one of the most honest professionals I've ever seen in this TH-cam world. I really believe she does not care about PR, pissing of any brand or whatever... if something is good in her opinion, is good... if something is bad, is bad... if something is shady she will show you. Against facts there are no arguments. That is it. Let us learn to appreciate who is really on our side, okie? Okie! :)
yes. thank you. loooove this fantastic comment & could not have said it better myself
Physically couldn't have clicked on a video faster 😂
If this worries you, every single color has been duped by several gurus with makeup geek and her colors are pigmented, blend easily and are many many people favorites. Check out other videos if you want dupes
Lorraine Johnson-Coleman there are lots listed on Temptalia's review on her blog as well. I think hers are the best because she has tried so many & gives a match % ❤️
Stephanie Nicole thanks again. You are the best. I will check these out for sure
I know jeffree stars androgeny pallete has some of those interesting colours
I think this is the best review I've seen on Subculture yet. I appreciate all of the thought, time and reference material that you put into this. I'm not an artist (makeup or otherwise), so learning just a bit about the color wheel and theory was fascinating. Your knowledge about talc vs mica, cost break down and everything else proves to me that you did your research. I had no idea how pigments work, about the use of binders, etc and how that will effect performance. I think you're right, that it's impossible to give a responsible recommendation, it will come down to the individual and their preferences. I won't be purchasing this palette simply because I don't feel that I am experienced enough in makeup application to not make a mess of it. Again, thank you Stephanie for putting the time and effort into this review.
Jacqueline Cooper you should also check out jkissa and atteely (i know i mispelt that) they do more than one look and they looked gorgeous!!!
I always feel so much smarter about makeup after watching her videos. Greatest teacher❤️
considering i'm paying $42 for this palette, i just think that it's ridiculous to have so many rules and guidelines to follow just to make it work lol. that's what i got out of this video- is that it could be a great palette if lay it flat, don't mix the colors, use a gentle hand with a soft brush, etc, etc, etc 😕 like yeah you could make it work, but are you getting back what you're putting in?
r depends, she make her makeup like that before the pallet so for her yeah, no problem. I don't think is a lot of work, personally I think the pallet worth the price and the color selection
pretty much. It's like a china doll
r i legit just wrote a summary of what you said to someone else who thought it was dumb that gurus didnt give it a chance. If you're spending almost fifty dollars on a pallete you want it to perform
r that's why she does reviews because for you it may not be worth it, however a lot of us already do that with most palettes and/or switch up our techniques depending on the formula or type of shadow that's what they taught me at beauty school but not everyone will like these and that's okay that's why reviews exist and so do return policies.
r
If you can't slightly adjust your technique with each palette you use, you're going to be very limited in the formulas and brands that you can use. Just a thought.
I used the palette last night and I went in with a light tap and it worked just fine. The only issue i had was with electric blending away. But i still liked the palette!! And I'm glad it worked for you!!
I did the same - 2nd look I created with this palette, but I WILL say because I was purposely going in so light handed, it took me about 20 times to get the color just right on my lid. This is not a palette that is good for a quick look. It's unfortunate though because I have about 40 palettes and I don't have to treat any of them any differently in the way I put my brush in the shadows and they blend out perfectly. Many of these shades cannot be blended and that's a huge issue whether or not the fallout is an issue. Such a disappointment overall though.
Electric is just one of those shadows that needs a finger application. It is gorgeous if you dampen your finger with water or fix plus and just tap it on. So worth the little extra effort.
Yesss i was waiting for this!! Your reviews and Alissa Ashley's are the only one I trust. 🙏🏾❤️
Just another reason I love Stephanie so much, everyone else is sporting headlines like "ABH IS CANCELLED. BYE" but she just keeps herself so calm and professional. It's just makeup, and I really appreciate how she goes about making videos on her channel. It's very refreshing to see :)
Queen Stephanie is here to spill the tea!!! Looking absolutely beautiful, lady! I love your hair like that.
yes her hair looks awesome!
Thank you for explaining the color spectrum/wheel. Some you-tubers didn't understand why their shadows blended grey.
The ABH review everyone was REALLY checkin' for!
Stephanie, thank you so much for the passion and time you invest in educating your subscribers. I am 36, and just recently overhauled my makeup routine, and your channel has been a tremendous resource for me. I now feel so much more comfortable in my skin and confident and love what I see when I look in the mirror.
I'm also a scientist in an industry where there is a lot of controversy and confusion about simple facts among the general public. I know how frustrating it can be when people just believe whatever they hear rather than taking the time to research and make their own decisions. I love that you are encouraging that practice here. ❤️
Finally someone with common sense 😍 You're so classy and mature, and obviously it should be a given for a person to be like that, but in this community some people aren't like that. And it affects the audience SO MUCH it's scary...
imissmyoldchannel right she's the only one I'm aware of that doesn't dumb down her common sense just to act surprised. Over reactive reviews are getting old!
FINALLY!!! LOVE U STEPHANIE ❤
girllll id trust you with my life
I am a person in the marketing and advertising field with an arts background, so I understand *NOW* that you have to threat this eye shadow palette as if you were working with actual pigments. But honestly why would you release a palette aimed at the general public that requires specific knowledge and product usage guidance in a format everyone is used to already? If the Subculture had been released with said instructions and disclaimers people wouldn't be so mad. Had the subculture been released as a PRO ARTIST shadow palette I would understand the brand coming for people not knowing how to use it. But the company has been doing a really poor job managing this, their PR people is missing out the point their costumers are making. Instead of coming off preachy and hammering people for not 'doing it right' and basically making their customers feel dumb, a simple acknowledgment of the problem and concerns would have been better.
Also people complaining, more pigment and color payoff =/= better. You can like this palette because you know how to work it and know color theory, but honestly the average person don't have time for that. To me the biggest issue is how the company is managing this tbh.
littlemisstoes my biggest issue as well.
littlemisstoes boohoo
littlemisstoes I have to agree. From a PR stand point the handling of the situation has been awful. I've seen the snarky comments from ABH employees and they are condescending and unprofessional. They should've made a statement, explained the palette better and offered refunds to those who disliked it. And they should have advised all ABH employees to not comment on the matter. First it was you don't know how to use this palette then it was a pressing issue then a batch issue and it's just like ok so what is the REAL issue here? I get that the owner is emotionally attached to their brand and products but it is simply just not how you handle complaints from your customers.
So TOTALLY agree. I am really surprised by Stephanie's review, tbth. She keeps talking about preference, etc--but she put a clip in this video of Norvina saying "super easy to blend, of course".
The handling of this is repulsive to me. I'm genuinely sad. I guess it's good I only do neon purple/pink brows now, because I'll never be buying Dipbrow again!
littlemisstoes it was intended for social media "people" aka beauty gurus, and even though most of them haven't been certified professionally, they certainly act like "pros." unfortunately skills using filters isn't the same thing as talent. #bye
Thank you! I make matte Eyeshadows and you have it spot on. Making matte Eyeshadows work is HARD! Pressing them too much won't make it blend, the binder will make it patchy and it won't swatch well.
The review everyone has been waiting for honestly.
I love this palette. The texture mimics modern rennaisance don't know whats up with the recent trend in dragging new releases. It's beautiful and the colors are actually interesting unlike all these burned out warm palettes.
I don’t swirl my modern renaissance either , I tap it I feel like the modern renaissance does the same thing people are complaining this palette does but I’ve never heard anyone complain about m.r. I love ABH and supporting a Romanian owner
I think someone needs to share the whole opposites on the color wheel "technology" with ole Jeffree Star bc he acted like he had absolutely NO IDEA why his colors were going gray when they were blending together.
Heidi
Omg, yes!!! I was screaming at my screen when he tried blending complimentary colors together. Like boy, did you not take any art classes in school? Of course they look grey when blended together--they would with ANY brand.
Heidi Instead of talking bad of the consumer (even if he is Jeffreey Star), don't you think that ABH should put it in their package that you have to resort to science to use their palette? Just asking 😂
If there's drama about a brand/product that I'm considering purchasing,i come here to listen to your honest review.You're never rude,never looking for extra PR from a review!Through all the commotion you still give a real,non-biased review.👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I have never clicked on a video notification so fast
I seriously wish you would review other things besides makeup/skincare because you would totally be the person I would turn to. "Hey I'm looking for a toaster, let me go see Stephanie's review." " I need a new bathrobe better go see Stephanie's review."
Funny, I know. But I love that you're so truthful and honest. I don't care what anyone says I would rather listen to a 30 minute REAL review then listen to a 5 minute video of someone telling me they love something because they got invited to the launch party.
Yaasss!! I've been waiting for this!!! Can't watch it yet because I'm at work, but I already liked the video!!
THE QUEEN OF REVIEWS👑😍
I was working on my psychology paper, but everything must stop for Queen Stephanie.
I've been watching you for some time now, and I would just like to tell you that I appreciate how knowledgeable you are when it comes to cosmetics. You give the best most in depth reviews I have ever seen and it really helps the viewer understand what they're paying for. Thank you for that !! 💗 in my eyes you explained what abh was going for instead of blindly bashing the palette due to the fall out.
Every time I watch a video by Stephanie... I leave feeling more educated... thanks alot for all the effort you put in for us!
sam bill what a great compliment
I've seen tutorials where the shadow is packed on, then lightly blended... and when they do that, almost ALL the pigment falls off the lid! Even with primer. Then it just leaves a patchy, weird look. Especially AXIS seems to do this.
Pale Peach not sure. Doesn't happen for me as you can see in the demo
Pale Peach - I used the UD eden primer and applied it the way Stephanie Nicole showed and it was great, no fall out at all.
I have also seen at least 5 tutorials where the colours oxidise before my very eyes, even just the first shadow on the lid changes, so I'm not talking about "muddying" of colours being blended together. Just straight out oxidisation.
I know you're saying that's not the case for you, but I find it very hard to believe that this issue people are having is all a matter of "application preference".
Either way, out of all the first impressions I've watched, if 1 in 10 tells me it works for them, that's really not enough for me to trust that it's going to work for me.
Pale Peach as someone who's not a beauty influencer, and someone who used every different technique I know ... this palette just isn't good. The colors do oxidize, they easily are patchy, cube and electric barely show up, and the darker shadows skip and do not blend no matter how little you use. Don't waste your money.
Not all of the shadows oxidase, the yellow shade was the only one that seemed to do that. Just like with certain foundations, for example the maybelline fit me (a yt beauty guru cult favorite) will oxidase on me but i have a coworker who loves it, does that mean her or the hundreds of youtubers who love it, their opinion isn't credible and that the product is shit? No, it just proves that everyone has different experiences and that not everyone is gonna have the same results with certain products. As for this palette working for her and not for the rest of the youtubers you watch, well ultimately she didn't recommend the palette to her viewers BECAUSE of all the polarized reviews, she advised we go try the palette ourselves and make our own educated decisions.
Your reviews should be everyone's "go to". I watched a couple of "reviews" and saw people really aggressively using their brushes and mixing colors that like you said WOULD be muddy if combined.
It's CRAZY how little i can tell you used of the product and how much it showed up. It's definitely a very pigmented shadow palette.
This isn't a palette I'd buy because the colors aren't my style but I definitely appreciated a thorough and knowledgeable review of a product!!
You are the only youtuber that reviews products and doesn't let other people opinions change your mind! THANK YOU!!!!
This video was very informative and I agree depending on your preference is whether or not you will like the pallet..Im definately going to get this pallet!
Watch wayne goss's video...he basically says the same thing!
Thank you for stating that they are complimentary colours and that if you mix them they will turn grey!! I don't understand why this is such a surprise to some people?