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Today's video was almost uploaded from Windows 98. Even though it didn't happen, I still wanted to share the process with you.
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Ok so I got this to work! Here’s the followup video: th-cam.com/video/4cJHwhUmFhU/w-d-xo.html
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Hi
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Awesome!!
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"Oh, Windows 98, you never fail to fail"
but yt never existed..
If you succeed at failing, are you a success or a failure?
@@kernel_data_inpage_error ???
I will never fail to fail
Probably
@@john-vg9lg its Task failed successfully
On the Windows 10 computer you may want to go to "add/remove windows features" and turn on SMB/CIFS 1.0
I was going to suggest that as well. Works on XP
And then make sure to turn it back off when done. There are serious vulnerabilities in old SMB versions.
The machines can see each other because of NetBios, but File Shares for Windows 9x only support SMB 1, which is disabled in newer Versions of Windows 10. But there are further problems, because Window 9x also uses old NTLM-Logins with very weak encryption, which are also blocked by default. The easiest way would be to just use a FTP-Server like FileZilla Server or just use the Raspberry Pi. (Windows never had a modern/secure FTP-Client/-Server, even Windows 10 doesn't support encrypted connections. So there are no compatibility issues.) TFTP would also be a good alternative solution.
This is correct; I still transfer files between my Windows 3.11 and 95 machines over SMB 1.0 to Windows 10. Also, I find it easier to just set static IPs and refer to those on the network rather than relying on netbios to find the host names.
This!
lol why didnt you just copy it into floppy's? Yeah it might take an extra 1.5 years, but at least you'll have the file on the machine.
Great idea lol
Why didn't mjd just use a different user agent
Or over serial cable! :)
cds exist
Wow you got pinned
Back 11 years ago my ex was runninv windows 95 still on her pc, I was like wtf is this?
@제온 LOL
I'm very sure an aunt of mine had a Windows 95 machine back in 2010, and I do vividly remember playing some Scooby Doo game.
Anyways how do you manage to be basically everywhere?
Lol hey proto
I've never even seen 95 in person. 98 was on my first pc. Used it till about 2012 when it stopped working
Runninv
"Device does not exist on the network"
"BUT IT'S RIGHT THERE! YOU'RE LITERALLY CONNECTING TO IT!"
"Did I stutter?"
lol
Windows file sharing is so laughable it's not even funny anymore.
Yes
Pretty sure it happens because of NT protections. The way to do it however was to get into the shared 98 folder from the Win 10 PC. Thats what usually worked for me tbh.
@@jackedup447 that's correct.
Windows 98 PC: Kill me.
MJD: Later.
Underrated
(TF2 meet the medic Spy and Medic)
Ya
This is one of those tales of "Everything that can go wrong does go wrong"
Yes.
Murphy's Law.
Krazy Kens law also but it's Murphys Law
@Kryštof Píštěk Damn ima go watch some of his videos
Murphy law yes..... I hate it
Network plan was an easy fix. Use the additional features installer on Windows 10 and install SMB 1.0
I’ve been seeing that a lot, good to know there’s a fix for it. I still found the error message hilarious though
I had that SAME thought. Great Minds think alike :)
@@MichaelMJD Reason is that SMB1 is old and insecure
Hiiiiiii Gear Seekers!
@@MichaelMJD That error message is pretty rude lol 🤣
Michael breaking a cd for our entertainment, ah yes.
This is Druaga1 levels of things going wrong.
The internet would break.
Easiest way to do file sharing is just setting up an FTP server, that's what I do for my W2k and W95 computers.
I do that (in the form of SFTP) for transferring files from my Linux PC to my Android mobile, as USB transfers seem to be borked on my mobile
do you mean file transfer on the PC itself (like showing the mobile storage as a drive) or do you mean connecting thumbdrive / external hard disk?
if it's the latter, it might be that your thumbdrive / external hard disk is in format that android don't recognize, like NTFS
there's third party android app out there that can help you to connect those NTFS or other formats to your phone (the phone will not recognize it when plugged in but that app will pick it up and create some kind of bridge to your android file explorer), but it's software based and not that stable... those formats are just not natively supported
source: I actually used that app back then when my laptop was broken, to continue watching anime off my 1TB NTFS hard disk on my phone... but I don't use it anymore when I have a PC so I don't remember the actual name of the app
Agreed. In my experience FTP is the most reliable way to share files between PCs of different OSes and even different generations.
@ haha i had broken but now it works cause i hacked my phone
FTP never failed me in 25 years
I really like the mix of jokes, abrupt cuts, flustered confusion, silly title card, elevator music etc mixed with clear information in this video. It's a really fun balance.
I enjoy your more dry informational videos a lot too, but this one was fantastic.
On the control panel, you probably need to switch to the old encryption used for the network shares.
Also, the printer probably didn't recognize the card because it is formatted in ex-FAT by default.
If you try to format in FAT32, it should probably show on the network share.
the FAT format would on USB drives, it's backward compatible with the USB1 interface too.
He need to learn skills, but needs hits, a JOB!!!
Whoa, I never knew I wanted this but know I absolutely need more of this.
I love your profile picture
@@someboringnerd what is it? i forgot but i think i know
@@enoc4562 it's the bisexual pride flag
@@joshrod9008 ok
Bi powerrrr
I think it’s a really amazing idea to look back at old machines and computers that’s why I love this channel 👍
Thank you!
About that network transfer stuff: the version of file sharing used by Windows 98 is a bit crap.
Following limitations apply: It is SMBv1 only, whereas latest version of SMB is 3. Also all usernames and passwords must be set to the current user on the 98 system.
Unfortunately Microsoft removes SMBv1 support in the latest versions of Windows 10. Remember WannaCry? That was a bug in SMBv1.
So how can you transfer files via Windows File Sharing to/from a 98 PC? Use either Linux/BSD or Windows 7 at the other end. Or make an FTP server instead.
Smb versions, wanna cry was the reason smb1 was turned off
my 3ds is not able to sign in to my youtube account for "security reasons"
but signing into it via google search works
you should try logging in through your main pc, copying the cookie to a pen drive and doing the whole file transition process again, it probably would work
Your "Steps" editing was superb
Could it be, that you'd have to activate smb 1.0 in Windows features on windows 10 to make the 98's drive visible?
This. But smb v1 is turned off by default in newer systems for a reason. An EternalBlue one, namely
Exactly my thought.
I forgot this but ya
Your network issues reminded me of the days of playing C&C red alert 2 over LAN and the bizarre problems getting everyone to see each other.
Alternate title - Michael breaking his head and losing hope for 7:44 minutes.
3:20 wow such fast
1:44 install a nusb driver and it should work
The fact that this was 15 seconds away from midroll ads...
You know you're watching a high quality tech video when the title cards for each new plan are indistinguishable from the MS paint memes from 2018 and progressively get more convoluted
I would've definitely tried setting up an FTP Server and connecting with an FTP client on the Windows 98 PC, but the router idea was very clever - I wouldn't have ever thought of that.
Im surprised something so nieche like UPnP had such good backwards capability, but hey thats something to be expected, fuck propriatery software.
To quote the scientists from half life
"What in the blazes is going on with our Equipment?" "It... was never supposed to do this in the first place"
The voice crack in 'Yes it does', I'm dying.
I think we've all sounded like that thanks to a computer at one point
As someone whos still using 90s hardware and software on a daily basis all I could do was watch and laugh as I saw you encounter all the problems that I've had to work around for the last 5 years of my Windows 2000 journey. I forget all too often that most people don't know how to use old tech practically and productively like I do.
The reason you are not able to browse the newer pc on the network is because a SMB version difference, you can actually allow older SMB protocols in Windows 10 trough add/remove features. That way you should be allowed to browse the computer from the Windows 98 pc.
This should be in the "but everything goes wrong" series
Accessing Win98 network shares on Win10 works absolutely fine! However, you have to manually enable samba version 1.0 in Win10 again for it to show up. They disabled this per default for security reasons. This is my main way of moving files to and from my old Win98 box. Good video! I have to tinker around with Browservice now! :D
Networking on Windows 9x has always been hit or miss for me. Usually I would be able to access a shared file from a Windows XP box from the network. But then it would cut off copying a file seeminlgly random or just not be able to access the XP machine the next day. Frustrating 😂
I love seeing people doing modern things with old OSes. This video inspired me to try using windows 2000 to write a program with java for the hell of it. Turns out you still can if you install openjdk 6 and netbeans 6.5.1!
I was going to dislike for clickbaiting, but I saw the “Almost” in the title and watched more and now i’m really interested in the process lol
Got this in my recommendations, not really my thing but I respect the mans diligence. All I can say is keep it up man l, you’ve got my support.
Why would you torture yourself like that?!?
For our entertainment
For money
@@HeenaPatel253 Hey! Why Are You controversial?
@@Alex-cn1xt Hey! You Are Being Controversial By Typing Like this.
@@ArisWorld2008 O
This was a fun journey! Thank you for an another interesting video!
"yes the compact disc, easily the most reliable storage medium to ever exist that has never failed anyone, ever"
*proceeds to destroy millions of what is literally plastic*
editing and humor on point as always!
Your Main PC did not recognize the old PC because Windows 20 has the network transfer functionality, I think it's called SMB 1.0, disabled by default due to ransomware attacks, can be turned on over the Windows-Features wizard
Wow the editing was awesome keep up this style
Should've tried FTP. Windows file sharing probably wasn't working because compatibility issues with different versions of SMB. I think you can also enable SMB 1.0 on Windows which might allow you to connect to the 98 pc.
I run my Win98 PC off a Compact Flash card IDE adaptor. No HD noise, more speed and copying files is a breeze!
What a tragic ending! By the time you got to Plan E, I was quietly chuckling to myself
@2:43 oh those errors and frustrations in setting up a local network with some indications it work and some it does not takes me back to the old lan days. Nostalgic and I can even feel your frustration XD
Retro networking tip: Windows 98's version of SMB is 1.0, and that was deprecated and disabled by default in the latest versions of Windows because it is insecure. Getting Filezilla and creating a little FTP server that you can start on demand is just much easier, and you can even transfer files to/from a DOS machine with packet drivers and mTCP painlessly.
ofc if ur gonna transfer anything to old hardware then use old software.. ftp for the win.
This video was edited so well and very funny. More of this please!
Windows 10 doesn’t by default use the older file sharing protocol for security reasons. You have to enable The legacy file sharing protocol for it to work
Druaga1: SSD
Michael MJD : Hold my USB
Michael, what I used before for this situation is a FTP server using Bulletproof FTP client on the Windows 98 machine. Works very well. NAS or samba shares also work ok.
If you install python on your main computer you could have started a simple webserver with the command "python -m SimpleHTTPServer 8000
" It's sort of like an FTP. It's the main way I transfer files to my vintage macs over the network
I love these kinds of videos where you use old tech to do stuff :D Thanks for sharing!
I was kind of hoping you were going to edit the video in windows 98, lol.
i have never heard michael as angry as he was on the network part
and i cant blame him
Modern Windows needs SMP enabled in the 'add remove optional features' in order to interact with pre-Vista Windows PCs on a LAN.
Windows file sharing works when it wants to. I'd go with FTP since its easy to find old versions of filezilla, and you don't have to worry about the Eternalblue vulnerability with leaving SMBv1 enabled.
6:25 you could have write the cookies of your youtube account session directly so you would have been able to use your account without signing in
I had to use *Plan D* in my early days to install Ubuntu without using the CD Drive and unable to use via USB.
1:59 Usb on 98 SE this brings back some painful memories.
please, consider making long, druaga1-style videos and upload it on mjdextras! the long, mostly unedited, mostly unresearched messing around with computers videos are pretty relaxing and fun to watch.
you know
almost doesn't count
Newer windowses use SMBv2 and above, you should be adding SMBv1 through "Add or remove Windows Features" secondly change your network share settings on the newer machine to "Enable file sharing for devices use 40- or 56bit encryption".
The reason that it worked on your router because somehow manufacturers delay the switch to new standards on SMB
I used to watch and rate TH-cam videos on a Win 98 SE computer (because I was slow to update to Win XP). The only reason why it wouldn't work to upload directly from the Windows 98 computer (without Browservice) is that browsers for Win 98 haven't been updated in years. However, I wouldn't be surprised if some clever person found a way around that and managed to upload a video.
So, from my personal experience as I have a Windows 98 machine on my local network as well, you have to actually type in the IP address of the computer instead of the name as viewed by the network. I've also found that sometimes Windows 10 doesn't like the connection and will refuse to make it, but if you ping it, Windows 10 will then allow you to connect. You can't connect to Windows 10 from 98, but you can connect to 98 from 10...for file transfer that is, even if both folders are open for public read/write.
You need KernelEX - With that you can use Opera and actually display TH-cam and upload it. It patched the 98SE Kernel to run newer Windows Applications such as XP or 7
I've been doing a lot of physical media digitizing for work and I 100% feel your frustration with dealing with old tech :)
You can thank WannaCry for networking drives not working. WannaCry resulted in Microsoft blocking SMB1 protocols from modern Windows in both directions.
There's an unofficial USB driver for Win98 that lets you plug in any USB flash drive into your PC. It works with my modern USB 3.0 flash drive.
And when you share folders between Windows 10 and Windows XP or older, you should enable SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support in Windows 10 for client and server.
To do networking between win9x and win10, you will run "optionalfeatures.exe" and enable "SMB 1.0/CIFS file sharing support". Only then you could access your win9x share folder from your win10 machine. This does not work the other way around since win9x fails to prompt user login window, thus win10 doesn't allow access.
someone might have commented this already, but there might, I repeat MIGHT, a workaround to the blockade of embedded networks. if Goggle blocked you the same way they did all non-google signed apps, then there is a setting in account security that goes something like "less secure app access" that you can enable and might allow you access
Probably my favourite video from you so far!
this is what I did once to copy large files to a w98 machine (like 10k of ripped mp3s and an old radio automation software): I copied the desired files on an Android device then used an app called ES file explorer and his ftp server function to share the sd card; typed the ftp address on a super old build of firefox... and it didn't work, so I used an old version of Filezilla to get it done. You may think it's slow because the Android device is over wifi but this machine had ethernet speed connection, not even fast ethernet and it was maxed most of the time which sorta falls into a class 4 sd card's speed
My second PC had windows 98 on it, I remember playing mortal kombat on it
Plan G:
Lay down to the ground and cry
Yo its been 84 years since youtube recomended me a video from you
2:50
when the speakers are sus
Easiest way for me to transfer files between modern and legacy machines is with FTP. Serve an FTP service on the modern PC and connect to it on legacy machine either using the web browser or an FTP client. Used this to transfer Printshop Deluxe pictures from Mac OS 7 to Windows 10.
This video has such a different style, and it's great. I'd love to see more of this style keep this up!
I remember my uncle using Windows 98 in 2016. It was amazing.
The network issues are probably because Win98 uses SMB1.0 as its sharing protocol, which is disabled by default in Win10 due to security concerns. This will cause issues regardless of which OS hosts the share. Enabling SMB1.0 in Win10 has solved the same issue for me.
Super Mario Brothers 1.0
Man idk how, but your videos are getting even better over time. Keep doing what you're doing lmao
Should’ve included trance dreamscape
File sharing has always been cranky. I use an FTP site hosted with IIS to transfer files between computers. It was a bit finicky to get anonymous sign-on enabled and firewall stuff figured out but I haven't had a problem since I got it setup.
The network thing is weird, at work we have an old 98 PC, and we access it's shared folders from Windows 10 without issues. But Windows 10 does't support such an old protocol by default and it had to be enabled manually.
You beat that CD like my dad beats me
Windows home networking often has issue. Often because of netbios names.
You can often instantly connect using the ip address instead of the name.
Except in newer windows, you get blocked of by security stuff.
Michael is Turning into another Krazy Ken
what a lovely classic mjd video :D
When accessing shared folders on the 98 PC or vice versa, make sure its set to 48bit without a password and instead of clicking the computer through the network list, directly put the full path in.
Example: \\98-pc\share
or
\\10-pc\share
It only seems to work that way for some reason, dunno why
Trying to use old machines in 2020 in a nutshell
finding a thumb drive that works on usb 1.1, 2GB in size and format in FAT32 that also has native driver in win98 Good luck getting one new.
1:38 - I have this issue on my Win98 RetroPC. What i do is either continually insert different usb drives... if that does not work, then just delete the USB drivers in device manager and then click "Refresh". This seems to work 95% of the time.
All you had to do is enable SMB1, this is disabled by default on Windows 10 as it's a huge security hole.
2:33 the first time when michael gets pissed ever :p
The new transitions seem awesome! also...that cd was definitely....not broken....
Well done! As a reward for your hard work, I'm subbing.
Thanks so much for subscribing!
Last I checked the 3ds couldn't get through the dialog but got close enough to upload a private video.