I am happy with my QNAPs, not planning to upgrade, not looking for anything from competition. I was excited about running various apps on the NAS. Not anymore. NAS is a file storage, that is it. MiniPCs can run all my VMs and containers. Now NAS expansions through mini SAS connectors is something interesting. I liked SAS storage when I worked with it.
This is now my approach, NAS is primarily used for storage, I have Jellyfin running, SearXNG, Unifi Controller, PiHole (but I wanna migrate that) Librespeed, and Invidious, everything else in now running on a Dell Optiplex 7070 Intel 9500T, Home Assistant, BookStack, Proxy Manager, an RTMP server, a load of VMs, and I'm definitely pleased I decided to go down the Proxmox on mini PC route. But I do think it's good to get started with containers on a NAS if you already have a NAS or considering buying one.
Love your channel mate but when you're interviewing, perhaps a small suggestion to let the other party speak more than you so we get their perspective too. You took over that interview a smidge too much. Just brought a Nas after watching your channel, so saying purely as feedback rather than trolling. Cheers dude.
I worries man. And genuinely thank you for the feedback. Tbh alot of the time in this zoom/call style vids, I do the structure/framework for it (we both do our own cluing up within that structure independently). So it's mostly a knee jerk reaction on my part to steer the chat to he structure..but I know I totally overshoot and/or end up hurting the chat because of this. Will do better bud.
I got the impression my forum post asking whether the TS-464 is still a good buy in 2025, seen its aging hardware, got you guys thinking ;-) Thanks for your extensive answer. Looking forward to a new model, hopefully soon!
I've been considering getting a NAS but everywhere I look I see awful hardware, CPUs that barely do the job, a lack of 10GbE and no ECC memory. The only NAS that looks okay has been the TERRAMASTER F6-424 Max and I can't import or get a hold of that NAS, so it looks like I'll be making my own at this point.
Hey guys - I purchased my Synology DS1019+ based on Robbie's video. I've outgrown it and will be replacing with a QNAP TVS-H874 i7 after watching other videos and the email advice I've been getting from Ed. Your shared knowledge and reviews sell these products, and I, for one, really appreciate that. Now I need to watch your tutorials on setting up the new TVS-H874. Keep the great videos coming guys - thank you both!!!
IMO Synology apps isn't better than QNAPS - but a NAS is a NAS and not an app-server etc.. I love the ZFS Filesystem on the QNAPS - It just works out of the box and is easy to maintain. Would always choose a QNAP (QuTS Hero) over Synology!
I can see a NAS as more than just a safe haven for my files for my PC and phone, but also a collection robot for all my demotica, and overviews of gas and electricity. Also for my internet tracker blocking application. I want to be able to see how much electricity and gas I have used per month, and what my solar panels have yielded. It is nice to be able to have things arranged centrally and to be able to call them up via your PC or phone. AI can also mean a lot here when it comes to sorting photos in an efficient way. I can then make the distinction myself that I only want to be able to manage things locally or not. Finally, I need a powerful processor for this with enough memory or not. So I would like a sustainable machine that runs like a diesel. Where I can trust the application and stability 100%. And know that this is a safe vault in my house.
I bought a QNAP TS-435XeU a few months ago, been very happy with it. Doesn't have all the features/apps as a Synology, but the 2x10G SFP and SSD cache capability sold me. I was holding out for a Unifi NAS, but God knows if they'll ever be released here in the UK.
Agree - QNAP have too many models (complicated to navigate to best model for specific needs). Are people still worried about QNAP’s security weaknesses with operating system (ransomware, etc.)!
I actually like the QNAP software and turnkey experience as opposed to rolling my own NAS - I'd love to see a 12 drive nvme with a more modern processor model to replace my TS-464.
What are the options for SHR and Active Backup outside of Synology? My needs are very low powered but those two matter greatly. Migrating off the platform is not something I want to do but feel like I’m being forced to.
@Bob_Smith19 i would stick on it. For such simple needs you'll be fine. If needs change then reevaluate. I never was fond of shr. To much of a performance hit for my taste.
@@Nasguy-b7qActive backup appears to be moving towards a subscription service so there is that as well. I do not want to buy new hardware now and be forced into a subscription service six months from now.
@Bob_Smith19 if you want flexible raids, it's slim pickings for what to move to. Qnaps hybrid backup is darn good and you can do anything with it if you are willing to live without shr. Zfs is a huge bonus, much better than btrfs, a big win...
I called QNAP and asked them why you can’t tunnel into QuMague via a cloudflare tunnel like you can with with Synology photos because remotely you have to use Qnap’s mycloud relay which is HELLA slow when not local. He didn’t know. I asked if that would ever change and he said. No. That being said, now a question as well, was he wrong? Is it possible? If so how?
Both QNAP and Synology are very quiet on their hardware refreshes. With the other vendors knocking on the doors, is there a delay to try and invoate something that seperates them for the "pack"? As you say, are both QNAP and Synology moving out of the pro-sumer sector.. They're no EMC etc. So what market segment do they want to fill. January 2025, QNAP or Synology :)
I would like to see QNAP upgrade their models with newer CPUs; especially, if they are moving towards QUTS. It would be nice if they could bring Qtier to zfs but I am not sure if that would be possible.
Why don't one of these companies come out with an intel 14th gen processor based nas. I ended up just building my own nas cause i wanted a 14th gen processor for my nas to run plex and jellyfin.
I have a QNAP and I cannot figure out how to get it reset to factory defaults. Ive tried the little reset button, and it says resetting, but when I try to login I still cannot login. The default login/pass will not work, even after a hard factory reset.
Sounds like you only reset login credentials. There are a few different 'factory' reset modes (on mine depending on how long you hold the reset button down). Check your manual for details on ways to do a full reset.
They switched the default password for each nas to its unique cloud key after a certain firmware version. It’s on the sticker, if the sticker is gone you may be able to find it with qfinder.
I think we all agree that Synology and QNAP are moving away from SMB models but any thoughts as why? Are theu simply surrendering that space to other brands or is there more money to be made in enterprise and they're just moving toward the big money?
Storage vendors inevitably either go under or move further up the value-add chain until they reach enterprise. QNAP/Synology are just moving up to take up the position of the last "affordable" enterprise vendors, and soon enough they too will be _unaffordable_ in their own turn :)
@SocialWorkProfessor I don't think qnap is leaving smb at all. A 464 or 453e are still overkill for most smb needs. They are great total solutions. If you go to the h874 it won't see a replacement for 5 years at least. No need. They cleaned house with the software, added zfs for smaller cases, and have used the time wisely. Hardware isn't needed in 25 for qnap.
Dig harder into intel. They used to support the small device integrators with engineering of the motherboards and when they screwed the pooch they pivoted to fix their enterprise problems and lowered the resources for low power small server board makers. This along with synology and qnap needing investor growth drove both toward enterprise also. The overages of cheap low power powerful intel processors dried up. They can’t hit the old price points for SMB.
The NAS providers don't seem to look at their devices as SERVERS that run VMs and they absolutely should! I would love to see an all M.2 NAS with a REAL processor like a 13th gen Intel i9 with 128GBs of ECC memory and multiple 10GB nics. That would be a gamer changer.
I would also like to centralize everything in a single device that has between 125 and 253W TDP with a processor that has hardware design issues, and put all my data there.
For hyperconverged systems I'd go to companies making servers. Coming to think of that, your i9 is not a "real" processor there, you'll need many more cores and even more ram.
They put their money into software and security. Celerons, lol think Synology bought them out. The z74 is way beyond everyone. QNAP software is well beyond the chicom offerings. No one is perfect but QNAP offers the best total solution for smb and prosumer.
I feel 2022 nd 23 were hit extremely badly with hardware shortages, but the cyber attacks have been a major problem both trust from clients and customers, so have been mainly enterprise and software development focus than small businesses
Did you get the i5, i7, or i9 version? I'm ready to pull the trigger on one of these too, but can't decide between the i7 and i9. The price increase from i7 to i9 is quite steep.
@@nascompares There have been 3 OS Firmware updates but yes there have been MANY individual QNAP application updates (probably around 15) or so in the past 6 months.
My qnaps are circa 2018; these two machines are the same model and are both receiving updates. The important thing is that these older machines are still receiving updates.
They seem ot have abandoned the entire 43x series. I can't even find another three bay 430 series except on e-bay. I liked it because it was pProsumer. Its stable and works well but I simply have no upgrade path.
You are discussing issues from the point of view of the companies, not the users. Whose side are you on? If these things are adequate already, why need to buy anything else? These companies may need to broaden their product lines if they want to stay in business.
I've been wanting to replay my TS-131 which was my first go at a NAS. Would like Synology but still probably getting qnap. Synology has amazing software but still feels the worst bang for your buck and only holding themselves up with software.
I'm new to the home NAS world and the first thing I noticed was the pre mature end of life policies for the pre built proprietary hardware/software makers. Just like pre built router manufacturers, when the software end of life comes, the same fate is set for the hardware. So I decided to go the diy path to avoid that. Seems a N100 or almost any old Intel x86 base with Truenas, Unraid, etc, I should be able to run and update indefinitely without an end of life being forced upon me. If I were king of qnap or Synology, I'd want to see them use x86 and allow users to transition from the proprietary software to Truenas, etc after they stop supporting it. Ewaste is a huge problem and artificially ending a product's life should be stopped.
Similar dilema for me. I like that there are silent no fan n100 systems that can do a lot and use little electricity. On the other hand you could get a ugreen NAS with interesting AI functionality in their software and that is on a core ultra processor. Add to that what others report that you could run a different OS on Ugreen hardware (Synology OS, TrueNAS, Unraid etc) and then maybe there is some value there outside of diy route. I wrote all that and yet I have to say its not at all clear. I think it depends on the use case - I want to self host and move away from cloud storage, email and web hosting at data centers. I have this 1gbps fibre broadband at home which feels waisted or underutilised - I think thats a perspective that might be lost on some of the manufacturers even though I see innovation here and there.
I've tried Unraid , Truenas and Proxmox just to see how they compare to my QNAP and Synology. From my experience, Unraid et al are simply not for the casual home or small business users. They are for the 1% who have more of a strong networking background or are keen to learn and have the time, interest, and patience. I wish that was not the case because I would love to build my own. I would say that I'm pretty good at home networking but just not at that next level that's needed.
@@nikitaredko2348 I'm so jealous of your 1gbps fiber connection. I'm stuck with Xfinity and their pathetic 24mbps upload speed. I was also interested in the ugreen solutions and almost pulled the trigger to but in the end I cheaped out and built my diy with N100 for a few hundred bucks plus drives. It serves me well and is good to learn on. Maybe once I get more versed on all the features of Truenas and proxmox, I may take the plunge on better hardware such as the ugreen or Zimacube.
Most manufacturers of anything tech related are NOT concerned about e-waste not even in the slightest; sure they'll give the notion lip-service, but reality is if the manufacturers could get their customers to buy and replace their hardware once a year, they'd be all for it. I'd aim higher than the N100/N305 type of system given that the number of PCIE lanes is limited by the architecture; it's good however for a smaller NAS... But I'd want to be able to turn the NAS into MORE, so going a bit bigger is an advantage. Now let me surprise you: I have two QNAP NAS's both originally purchased in 2018. As of even a few months ago, both are still receiving updates. Business purchasers I'd think are the meat & potatoes for any major NAS manufacturer as the devices can be quite expensive, and that pushes most home users towards DIY with platforms like TrueNAS.
I have found their support to be very lacking. I had an issue backing up my NAS to Dropbox and they never resolved it so I switched to google drive. It’s worked fine for 2 years then in sept last year started having issues. I opened a ticket and it is still not resolved. A NAS should be able to store my data and back that data up elsewhere - that’s the bare essentials of any NAS. They seem more interested in new features than assuring base functionality. I have a 2nd backup NAS which is a Synology. If my QNAP dies I’ll never buy a QNAP again.
@ Not sure why I would ? They don’t advertise that they work with QNAP whereas QNAP advertise that they work with Dropbox and Google drive. My point is almost 4 months they have barely replied and no solution. If they seemed interested in the fault id give them slightly more credit. As it is I don’t see why I should. Also, today they responded to me telling me the command they asked me to run was incorrect - I'd already told them that a week ago when I corrected the command they had clearly got wrong and sent the output (which was nothing). Is this the level of support you'd expect ?!
That's a hack or a gear shift. Not saying it's a bad idea, but can you hold out a couple of days for my video this Friday? It's very, VERY much going to be for you!
@ThBraveBraveSirRobin I went with QNAP to replace my QNAP. Most recently the 874 and extremely happy. Also have a few other qnaps in production. If you need basic file server functions, unify is perfect... for Plex, media, dockers, and sophisticated backup and apps Qnap is a solid choice.
Expos are a waste of time. They just make money for the show owners. I see this in my industry. In regard to my older 2 bay QNAP has done a great job keeping the software up to date and the hardware has held up well. But it is now 6years old and plex no longer works and it’s slow. I’m looking at possible replacements and am unimpressed with the hardware options being offered. Terramaster and others have nailed the hardware, but QNAP is behind and at the bottom of the list.
The CPUs are getting old in the tooth. ts-x64's need love in the CPU / memory department especially if it trying to run QuTS hero. The bog standard intel in the TVS-hx74 much less the TVS-hx72 are at least two cycles old.
I acknowledge this in the vid, saying that they focus on the software was what I wanted for years. But as you say, they have overswung, and this is not a happy medium. Having improved software only goes so when you don't have new units in the market when it's getting really busy with new brands undercutting everything. They need to make a confident hardware move this year. It's not the age of the HW, as much as it is that their flagship £500-1000 solutions are now a degree behind the rest of the market..and the current range is the same price it's been for years. The CPUs are end of life in some cases and That's a big deal to some buyers in 2025, when there is a 2020/2021 solution. Also, they HAVE IMPROVED in software and security..but with Synology more more refocused on the ent/hyoerscale, this is a huge open goal being left untouch
@@nascomparesFair enough and I agree. They should double down on Intel late gen. The H874 is a wonderful solution, very capable. IMHO they QNAP really is the best turnkey nas for prosumer and smb, ASUSTOR is pretty good, but still a ways off to do everything as well. Qnap could always do the most of any turnkey nas, they needed to simplify the experience and they have to a great degree, still have a ways to go. But the last 4 years have gotten so much better. Keep up the good work...
The reason I didn't buy a QNAP NAS was because it was militantly resisting the introduction of BTRFS. At least they could have given it as an experimental option instead of releasing a video on why BTRFS is not good.
I am happy with my QNAPs, not planning to upgrade, not looking for anything from competition. I was excited about running various apps on the NAS. Not anymore. NAS is a file storage, that is it. MiniPCs can run all my VMs and containers. Now NAS expansions through mini SAS connectors is something interesting. I liked SAS storage when I worked with it.
This is now my approach, NAS is primarily used for storage, I have Jellyfin running, SearXNG, Unifi Controller, PiHole (but I wanna migrate that) Librespeed, and Invidious, everything else in now running on a Dell Optiplex 7070 Intel 9500T, Home Assistant, BookStack, Proxy Manager, an RTMP server, a load of VMs, and I'm definitely pleased I decided to go down the Proxmox on mini PC route. But I do think it's good to get started with containers on a NAS if you already have a NAS or considering buying one.
The software in QNAP has quietly been getting very good. Even with the security problems a couple years ago.
Love your channel mate but when you're interviewing, perhaps a small suggestion to let the other party speak more than you so we get their perspective too. You took over that interview a smidge too much. Just brought a Nas after watching your channel, so saying purely as feedback rather than trolling. Cheers dude.
I worries man. And genuinely thank you for the feedback. Tbh alot of the time in this zoom/call style vids, I do the structure/framework for it (we both do our own cluing up within that structure independently). So it's mostly a knee jerk reaction on my part to steer the chat to he structure..but I know I totally overshoot and/or end up hurting the chat because of this. Will do better bud.
I got the impression my forum post asking whether the TS-464 is still a good buy in 2025, seen its aging hardware, got you guys thinking ;-)
Thanks for your extensive answer.
Looking forward to a new model, hopefully soon!
I have that model and use for home media server with plex, backups, file storage. Still works fine for me and my family.
@garynagle3093 it is overkill for that as well. Great nas with lots of features and performance.
@@Nasguy-b7q overkill is better than underkill. I like it can more than handle my needs at a reasonable price
I've been considering getting a NAS but everywhere I look I see awful hardware, CPUs that barely do the job, a lack of 10GbE and no ECC memory. The only NAS that looks okay has been the TERRAMASTER F6-424 Max and I can't import or get a hold of that NAS, so it looks like I'll be making my own at this point.
That Terramaster looks nice, but again no ECC support.
Hey guys - I purchased my Synology DS1019+ based on Robbie's video. I've outgrown it and will be replacing with a QNAP TVS-H874 i7 after watching other videos and the email advice I've been getting from Ed.
Your shared knowledge and reviews sell these products, and I, for one, really appreciate that.
Now I need to watch your tutorials on setting up the new TVS-H874.
Keep the great videos coming guys - thank you both!!!
Bought the same one. The 874 i7 is spectacular...
IMO Synology apps isn't better than QNAPS - but a NAS is a NAS and not an app-server etc.. I love the ZFS Filesystem on the QNAPS - It just works out of the box and is easy to maintain. Would always choose a QNAP (QuTS Hero) over Synology!
@@HeineChristensen 💯
Qnap is feeding the seagulls
most likely
You son of a...
I can see a NAS as more than just a safe haven for my files for my PC and phone, but also a collection robot for all my demotica, and overviews of gas and electricity. Also for my internet tracker blocking application. I want to be able to see how much electricity and gas I have used per month, and what my solar panels have yielded. It is nice to be able to have things arranged centrally and to be able to call them up via your PC or phone.
AI can also mean a lot here when it comes to sorting photos in an efficient way. I can then make the distinction myself that I only want to be able to manage things locally or not.
Finally, I need a powerful processor for this with enough memory or not. So I would like a sustainable machine that runs like a diesel. Where I can trust the application and stability 100%.
And know that this is a safe vault in my house.
I bought a QNAP TS-435XeU a few months ago, been very happy with it. Doesn't have all the features/apps as a Synology, but the 2x10G SFP and SSD cache capability sold me. I was holding out for a Unifi NAS, but God knows if they'll ever be released here in the UK.
Haha, typical. I just checked unifi's UK store, and you can now buy the UNAS Pro. Oh well!
I have been using a TVS871 for years now and absolutely love it and its functionality. I hope it continues …….
Agree - QNAP have too many models (complicated to navigate to best model for specific needs). Are people still worried about QNAP’s security weaknesses with operating system (ransomware, etc.)!
Would love to see more QNAP rack mount
I actually like the QNAP software and turnkey experience as opposed to rolling my own NAS - I'd love to see a 12 drive nvme with a more modern processor model to replace my TS-464.
What are the options for SHR and Active Backup outside of Synology? My needs are very low powered but those two matter greatly. Migrating off the platform is not something I want to do but feel like I’m being forced to.
@Bob_Smith19 i would stick on it. For such simple needs you'll be fine. If needs change then reevaluate. I never was fond of shr. To much of a performance hit for my taste.
@@Nasguy-b7qActive backup appears to be moving towards a subscription service so there is that as well. I do not want to buy new hardware now and be forced into a subscription service six months from now.
@Bob_Smith19 if you want flexible raids, it's slim pickings for what to move to. Qnaps hybrid backup is darn good and you can do anything with it if you are willing to live without shr. Zfs is a huge bonus, much better than btrfs, a big win...
i want this from QNAP with a JBOD setup: TS-h1277AFX.
Will you boys be getting this in to test and review?
I called QNAP and asked them why you can’t tunnel into QuMague via a cloudflare tunnel like you can with with Synology photos because remotely you have to use Qnap’s mycloud relay which is HELLA slow when not local. He didn’t know. I asked if that would ever change and he said. No.
That being said, now a question as well, was he wrong? Is it possible? If so how?
Both QNAP and Synology are very quiet on their hardware refreshes. With the other vendors knocking on the doors, is there a delay to try and invoate something that seperates them for the "pack"? As you say, are both QNAP and Synology moving out of the pro-sumer sector.. They're no EMC etc. So what market segment do they want to fill.
January 2025, QNAP or Synology :)
I would like to see QNAP upgrade their models with newer CPUs; especially, if they are moving towards QUTS. It would be nice if they could bring Qtier to zfs but I am not sure if that would be possible.
Yeah boy! Love these guys!
Both Taiwanese NAS companies (Synology and QNAP) have the same problem
no, synology, have way worse issues and they force people to buy ONLY their stuff (that's even more fuckedup)
Which problem? Are we talking about a certain T word?
@@nascomparesHe who shall not be named
@nascompares Taiwan is a issue since they could all be out of business at a moments notice depending on their neighbors...
@@nascomparesransomware.
Why don't one of these companies come out with an intel 14th gen processor based nas. I ended up just building my own nas cause i wanted a 14th gen processor for my nas to run plex and jellyfin.
I have a QNAP and I cannot figure out how to get it reset to factory defaults. Ive tried the little reset button, and it says resetting, but when I try to login I still cannot login. The default login/pass will not work, even after a hard factory reset.
Sounds like you only reset login credentials. There are a few different 'factory' reset modes (on mine depending on how long you hold the reset button down). Check your manual for details on ways to do a full reset.
@@playlist5455 Yes, I need to do a full/complete factor reset. Ill see if I can find a manual for it.
They switched the default password for each nas to its unique cloud key after a certain firmware version. It’s on the sticker, if the sticker is gone you may be able to find it with qfinder.
I think we all agree that Synology and QNAP are moving away from SMB models but any thoughts as why? Are theu simply surrendering that space to other brands or is there more money to be made in enterprise and they're just moving toward the big money?
Storage vendors inevitably either go under or move further up the value-add chain until they reach enterprise. QNAP/Synology are just moving up to take up the position of the last "affordable" enterprise vendors, and soon enough they too will be _unaffordable_ in their own turn :)
Synology is chasing enterprise. If Qnap isn’t now they will be in due time.
@SocialWorkProfessor I don't think qnap is leaving smb at all. A 464 or 453e are still overkill for most smb needs. They are great total solutions. If you go to the h874 it won't see a replacement for 5 years at least. No need. They cleaned house with the software, added zfs for smaller cases, and have used the time wisely. Hardware isn't needed in 25 for qnap.
Dig harder into intel. They used to support the small device integrators with engineering of the motherboards and when they screwed the pooch they pivoted to fix their enterprise problems and lowered the resources for low power small server board makers. This along with synology and qnap needing investor growth drove both toward enterprise also. The overages of cheap low power powerful intel processors dried up. They can’t hit the old price points for SMB.
You're just envious that Eddy was having a flat white with his full English.
The NAS providers don't seem to look at their devices as SERVERS that run VMs and they absolutely should! I would love to see an all M.2 NAS with a REAL processor like a 13th gen Intel i9 with 128GBs of ECC memory and multiple 10GB nics. That would be a gamer changer.
I would also like to centralize everything in a single device that has between 125 and 253W TDP with a processor that has hardware design issues, and put all my data there.
@@nlrz313 lol
This one called Dell PowerEdge R260 )
For hyperconverged systems I'd go to companies making servers. Coming to think of that, your i9 is not a "real" processor there, you'll need many more cores and even more ram.
They put their money into software and security. Celerons, lol think Synology bought them out. The z74 is way beyond everyone. QNAP software is well beyond the chicom offerings. No one is perfect but QNAP offers the best total solution for smb and prosumer.
Firmware update yesterday.
I feel 2022 nd 23 were hit extremely badly with hardware shortages, but the cyber attacks have been a major problem both trust from clients and customers, so have been mainly enterprise and software development focus than small businesses
My TVS-874 is still overkill for a Plex server. I'm only half full on my 8 12tb hard drives. LOL.
I'm envious...I'm saving for the 4 bay variant and will just upgrade the CPU and put some chunky drives in!
Same here, but it's fun to have something that you can do anything with and where you are pretty well future proofed for quite a few years.
@@DavidM2002 That was the whole point of investing in the 874. 12th Gen core I 5, 8 bays of storage... Very future proof.
Did you get the i5, i7, or i9 version? I'm ready to pull the trigger on one of these too, but can't decide between the i7 and i9. The price increase from i7 to i9 is quite steep.
@@irons4614 I5 is what I got
I have had 3 firmware updates from QNAP in the last 6 months!
Did you have it set to 'all updates' or 'security' or 'feature'? Definitely been ALOT more than 3 by my checks
@@nascompares There have been 3 OS Firmware updates but yes there have been MANY individual QNAP application updates (probably around 15) or so in the past 6 months.
@@nascompares I was surprised that the firmware updates came in rapid succession and honestly only expect those maybe every 4-6 months.
My qnaps are circa 2018; these two machines are the same model and are both receiving updates. The important thing is that these older machines are still receiving updates.
They seem ot have abandoned the entire 43x series. I can't even find another three bay 430 series except on e-bay. I liked it because it was pProsumer. Its stable and works well but I simply have no upgrade path.
You are discussing issues from the point of view of the companies, not the users. Whose side are you on? If these things are adequate already, why need to buy anything else? These companies may need to broaden their product lines if they want to stay in business.
I've been wanting to replay my TS-131 which was my first go at a NAS. Would like Synology but still probably getting qnap. Synology has amazing software but still feels the worst bang for your buck and only holding themselves up with software.
I'm new to the home NAS world and the first thing I noticed was the pre mature end of life policies for the pre built proprietary hardware/software makers. Just like pre built router manufacturers, when the software end of life comes, the same fate is set for the hardware.
So I decided to go the diy path to avoid that. Seems a N100 or almost any old Intel x86 base with Truenas, Unraid, etc, I should be able to run and update indefinitely without an end of life being forced upon me.
If I were king of qnap or Synology, I'd want to see them use x86 and allow users to transition from the proprietary software to Truenas, etc after they stop supporting it. Ewaste is a huge problem and artificially ending a product's life should be stopped.
Similar dilema for me. I like that there are silent no fan n100 systems that can do a lot and use little electricity. On the other hand you could get a ugreen NAS with interesting AI functionality in their software and that is on a core ultra processor. Add to that what others report that you could run a different OS on Ugreen hardware (Synology OS, TrueNAS, Unraid etc) and then maybe there is some value there outside of diy route. I wrote all that and yet I have to say its not at all clear. I think it depends on the use case - I want to self host and move away from cloud storage, email and web hosting at data centers. I have this 1gbps fibre broadband at home which feels waisted or underutilised - I think thats a perspective that might be lost on some of the manufacturers even though I see innovation here and there.
I've tried Unraid , Truenas and Proxmox just to see how they compare to my QNAP and Synology. From my experience, Unraid et al are simply not for the casual home or small business users. They are for the 1% who have more of a strong networking background or are keen to learn and have the time, interest, and patience. I wish that was not the case because I would love to build my own. I would say that I'm pretty good at home networking but just not at that next level that's needed.
@@nikitaredko2348 I'm so jealous of your 1gbps fiber connection. I'm stuck with Xfinity and their pathetic 24mbps upload speed.
I was also interested in the ugreen solutions and almost pulled the trigger to but in the end I cheaped out and built my diy with N100 for a few hundred bucks plus drives. It serves me well and is good to learn on. Maybe once I get more versed on all the features of Truenas and proxmox, I may take the plunge on better hardware such as the ugreen or Zimacube.
Most manufacturers of anything tech related are NOT concerned about e-waste not even in the slightest; sure they'll give the notion lip-service, but reality is if the manufacturers could get their customers to buy and replace their hardware once a year, they'd be all for it.
I'd aim higher than the N100/N305 type of system given that the number of PCIE lanes is limited by the architecture; it's good however for a smaller NAS... But I'd want to be able to turn the NAS into MORE, so going a bit bigger is an advantage.
Now let me surprise you: I have two QNAP NAS's both originally purchased in 2018. As of even a few months ago, both are still receiving updates. Business purchasers I'd think are the meat & potatoes for any major NAS manufacturer as the devices can be quite expensive, and that pushes most home users towards DIY with platforms like TrueNAS.
I loved the intro . . .
I have found their support to be very lacking. I had an issue backing up my NAS to Dropbox and they never resolved it so I switched to google drive. It’s worked fine for 2 years then in sept last year started having issues. I opened a ticket and it is still not resolved. A NAS should be able to store my data and back that data up elsewhere - that’s the bare essentials of any NAS. They seem more interested in new features than assuring base functionality. I have a 2nd backup NAS which is a Synology. If my QNAP dies I’ll never buy a QNAP again.
Have you contacted Dropbox and Google, too?
@ Not sure why I would ? They don’t advertise that they work with QNAP whereas QNAP advertise that they work with Dropbox and Google drive. My point is almost 4 months they have barely replied and no solution. If they seemed interested in the fault id give them slightly more credit. As it is I don’t see why I should.
Also, today they responded to me telling me the command they asked me to run was incorrect - I'd already told them that a week ago when I corrected the command they had clearly got wrong and sent the output (which was nothing). Is this the level of support you'd expect ?!
QNAP is focused on their enterprise level clients right now.
What going on with Synology?
That company seems dead for consumers
Chasing enterprise customers.
I’m likely to go Unifi to replace my QNAP.
That's a hack or a gear shift. Not saying it's a bad idea, but can you hold out a couple of days for my video this Friday? It's very, VERY much going to be for you!
Me too..
@ThBraveBraveSirRobin I went with QNAP to replace my QNAP. Most recently the 874 and extremely happy. Also have a few other qnaps in production. If you need basic file server functions, unify is perfect... for Plex, media, dockers, and sophisticated backup and apps Qnap is a solid choice.
Ya'll nailed it
5% a year is less than inflation ;-)
That's a valid point and I should have raised that. Apologies
We need N100 units. It's as simple as that.
Expos are a waste of time. They just make money for the show owners. I see this in my industry. In regard to my older 2 bay QNAP has done a great job keeping the software up to date and the hardware has held up well. But it is now 6years old and plex no longer works and it’s slow. I’m looking at possible replacements and am unimpressed with the hardware options being offered. Terramaster and others have nailed the hardware, but QNAP is behind and at the bottom of the list.
The CPUs are getting old in the tooth. ts-x64's need love in the CPU / memory department especially if it trying to run QuTS hero. The bog standard intel in the TVS-hx74 much less the TVS-hx72 are at least two cycles old.
Over swung, lol no offense but you were on them for 3 plus years for improving security and software and now they fix it and they overswung?
I acknowledge this in the vid, saying that they focus on the software was what I wanted for years. But as you say, they have overswung, and this is not a happy medium. Having improved software only goes so when you don't have new units in the market when it's getting really busy with new brands undercutting everything. They need to make a confident hardware move this year. It's not the age of the HW, as much as it is that their flagship £500-1000 solutions are now a degree behind the rest of the market..and the current range is the same price it's been for years. The CPUs are end of life in some cases and That's a big deal to some buyers in 2025, when there is a 2020/2021 solution. Also, they HAVE IMPROVED in software and security..but with Synology more more refocused on the ent/hyoerscale, this is a huge open goal being left untouch
@@nascomparesFair enough and I agree. They should double down on Intel late gen. The H874 is a wonderful solution, very capable. IMHO they QNAP really is the best turnkey nas for prosumer and smb, ASUSTOR is pretty good, but still a ways off to do everything as well. Qnap could always do the most of any turnkey nas, they needed to simplify the experience and they have to a great degree, still have a ways to go. But the last 4 years have gotten so much better. Keep up the good work...
Security flaws and issues galore. I'd rather buy a small ITX server and install TrueNas
@Ryan.Fitton simply not true anymore. They have had many many updates to fix security, just had one this morning. They are proactive and secure...
Qnap just has to keep quiet while Synology is making mistakes.
It's all planned.
Nap? more like sleep!
Nescafe is crap
I mean...yeah... It's absolute dishwater. But it made for a good intro, right? RIGHT?????
The reason I didn't buy a QNAP NAS was because it was militantly resisting the introduction of BTRFS. At least they could have given it as an experimental option instead of releasing a video on why BTRFS is not good.
I’d never trust Qnap software ever again.
Apparently we are waiting way longer for newer synology models. You are asking WRONG brand as to what is happening !!
sleeping like synology who can only. bring out expensive dated rubbish
Please give your guests a little bit more speaking time. 🥲