I generally prefer no felt on top. I’ve tried a whole bunch of combinations: hard, soft felts, rubber felts, metal base, plastic base etc etc - since it’s cheap to try and does affect the experience. I would say that in particular, either a rubber felt, or a metal base/plastic sleeve/thin felt both gave me a lot more stick definition vs wash on an Istanbul Agop ride and a Dream ride. I would love to see more on this topic from this channel. I would also love a topic about clutches and how they affect mostly chick operation.
Strangely, I have noticed that different stands can affect the cymbal sound. I've had some cheap stands that sucked the life out, whereas my better, heavier stands provided a better sound. Same felts, same wing nuts. Wouldn't have believed it until I upgraded my stands.
Love the Cymbal Series! I also love watching that cymbal of yours wiggle and wobble when you really whack it--or even when you're just riding on it. Sweet sounding sucker, though! I use soft double felts on my vintage 1973 22" Avedis Zildjian crash-ride, but I make sure it has plenty of room to move, even though I use it almost exclusively as a ride, because when you crash it, it has *a little bit* of sustain. (Part of my end-of-practice ritual is to give it a few good crashes. I would practice before going to work, and I liked to think that it was still vibrating all through my work day.) As always, thanks for all the great stuff you do!
Before even watching I had to answer the title... 'they do if you hear them!'. One of the most important lessons Hal Blaine taught Jim Gordon is no rattles!!
I use felts for certain cymbals and cympads for others and combinations of each on the top and bottom depending on the sound I’m after. I use Pearl clutches with rounded rubber instead of felt or cympads and it all makes a difference….thanks again for your time and energy-great stuff ☮️❤️🥁👏🏽
I use the Yamaha Crosstown stands. Years ago, I started not using the top felt and wing nut in the interest of a quicker teardown/strike after a gig. I have been playing without the top felts and wing nuts ever since. Fortunately, I have never had a cymbal fly off while playing, and enjoy the sound of my cymbals being open.
I use ‘No Nuts’ with a felt underneath for rides and crashes, swapping cymbals is a breeze, and because of the longer ‘tube’ I haven’t had any fly off. Thanks, guys.
Yes, I’ve got some Tama quick locks, I used them until I discovered No Nuts. Depending on the cymbal, I use the traditional set up as well…it just depends. Cheers
Such a good episode! I think about these things all the time...thanks for taking the time to test them out! Do you have a preference for a style of felt depending on the cymbal size as well? Example, I have a bigger thinner ride that I really like to tighten up because it gets super wobbly after a few strikes. Thanks again!
Definitely a topic overlooked but I do feel as though I just adapt to whatever comes with the stands I buy. Yamaha felts are a bit thick, so I keep it pretty loose. Always hated the jam nights where they had the kit, the hardware but no felts (sometimes no clutch) 🙃 As always, great video!
Great examples Cody! I did not know that some cymbal cracking is caused by the tightness of the felts. On a side note, your weight loss is working well for you...... I'm working on mine too, and not only does it make me feel better, I also look better, at least that's what I've been told by my very biased wife of 52 years.... Thanks and Blessings Cody and crew.
Great video! Personally, I like playing with no felt or wingnut on top of my ride and crash cymbals for the longer sustain and the more open sound it gives. So far, I haven't ran into the issue of the cymbal coming off of my stands , likely because I tend to use bigger size cymbals with a bit more weight to them since I use bigger sized drums. I can hit them hard and I like to play off of the sway that having no top felt creates - although when I record, I do use felts lightly for more stick definition on specific cymbals.
Thanks for this. As i have yet to invest in any new cymbals yet. I have been working with my hand-me-down kit. I have been experimenting a bit. However when i purchase some new ones soon i now have a better understanding of the differences and pros and cons. Time to go shopping 😊
Good video, as ever. Avoid overtightening cymbals, especially if, for example, riding a crash. What about No Nuts Percussion as an alternative that you seem to have overlooked entirely as another option?
To add to my many comments about working in an industrial setting... 10mm or 3/8" pneumatic hose makes a fantastic material for cymbal stand sleeves. It's very tough and slippery polyurethane material that wears forever! Most of my replacement cases have been because they got lost... So what! the price per foot makes it totally acceptable! If you can find a shop that does automation with pneumatics, an air compressor dealership or a place along those lines, you can probably score a few feet for a couple of bucks or some random bits of free offcuts if you really score big! You should always have a pocket knife or a multi-tool in your kit anyways... So a lost sleeve is never too far away from a quick chop off your huge stash of spares!!
when I started playing drums, I didn't have money for stands after selling my first kit for my new set. having lights stands and some wood I made a 3 sided "cage" with 4 stands and 3 cross members and hung my cymbal with dog chains, my ride was mounted to a free swinging threaded rod that was bent to the correct angle ..... #80'sMetal
No Nuts cymbal sleeves with Cymrings on them under the cymbal, except for my China, which has normal felts and a quick release nut. They let the cymbals breathe and move, and they make setup and tear down quick and easy. I swear by them!
Hm, I definitely prefer the sound of loose felts. As a practical matter, I've always kept mine loose because I was told early on that tight felts pose a greater risk for cracking. Perhaps that informs my preference. There's also the tried and true Dave Grohl technique of sandbagging the stand and hitting the cymbal so hard it slices through the spindle every four shows or so.
In some of your older videos I saw you using a weird angular rubber felt on the bottom hi hat. How foes that affect the tone? I’ve been wondering for a while, but haven’t felt (no pun intended) like buying one.
@@shadow.chicken : To my ears, it’s a bit of a crisper sound overall, and it doesn’t compress like the traditional felt type. It’s a low cost item - give it a try.
I think I heard briefly in this one about stacking cymbals? Is that like on the same stand? Asking because I've seen that. Like maybe a 18" crash with maybe a 14 or 16" china on top of that? I say maybe because I haven't tried but I want to. I was pretty sure it's not just metal to metal on the cymbals together. But some cushion between (felt). Want to set it up right. Thanks so much for what you bring to us!
For 25 years on my Paiste 2002 I've used rubber washers on bottoms, nothing on top (with nylon tip sticks) . Maximum resonance and sustain. Occasionally I use felts for taming a harsh cymbal on top and bottom with a loosely tighten Sonor plastic quick release wingnut.
Wow! Congrats with 100 hundred subscribers🎉 🎂✌️👍😁
I always look for the next one. Please keep them coming. Learn something every time. Thank you.
I've felt this one..
Way to wear it on your sleeve…
These comments are driving me nuts
Oh jus'sleeve me alone will you.
I low-key feel like you've been flexing the chops just a tiny bit harder each episode you guys put out and I'm loving it 😂 you're a good drummer Cody
Haha, he’ll appreciate that. And this video is four years old!
I generally prefer no felt on top. I’ve tried a whole bunch of combinations: hard, soft felts, rubber felts, metal base, plastic base etc etc - since it’s cheap to try and does affect the experience. I would say that in particular, either a rubber felt, or a metal base/plastic sleeve/thin felt both gave me a lot more stick definition vs wash on an Istanbul Agop ride and a Dream ride. I would love to see more on this topic from this channel. I would also love a topic about clutches and how they affect mostly chick operation.
Loved this episode. It inspired me to experiment. Thank you.❤️🙏❤️
No sleeve is a definite No No. Got some old cymbals to prove that. So I do appreciate the idea to keep some tubing and felt in your stick bag.
Strangely, I have noticed that different stands can affect the cymbal sound. I've had some cheap stands that sucked the life out, whereas my better, heavier stands provided a better sound. Same felts, same wing nuts. Wouldn't have believed it until I upgraded my stands.
We experienced that firsthand during a recent R&D session we assisted with.
I have been using ‘No Nuts’ with a felt underneath for for all my cymbals. They are great.
Love the Cymbal Series! I also love watching that cymbal of yours wiggle and wobble when you really whack it--or even when you're just riding on it. Sweet sounding sucker, though! I use soft double felts on my vintage 1973 22" Avedis Zildjian crash-ride, but I make sure it has plenty of room to move, even though I use it almost exclusively as a ride, because when you crash it, it has *a little bit* of sustain. (Part of my end-of-practice ritual is to give it a few good crashes. I would practice before going to work, and I liked to think that it was still vibrating all through my work day.)
As always, thanks for all the great stuff you do!
Seriously! Kinda makes me wish my ride was a bit thinner. I gotta try out some other sounds. My ride is very pingy but i want some more washy.
@@ngilbert100 Lots of very nice ones out there, and not all super-pricey, either.
Before even watching I had to answer the title... 'they do if you hear them!'. One of the most important lessons Hal Blaine taught Jim Gordon is no rattles!!
I use felts for certain cymbals and cympads for others and combinations of each on the top and bottom depending on the sound I’m after.
I use Pearl clutches with rounded rubber instead of felt or cympads and it all makes a difference….thanks again for your time and energy-great stuff ☮️❤️🥁👏🏽
I use the Yamaha Crosstown stands. Years ago, I started not using the top felt and wing nut in the interest of a quicker teardown/strike after a gig. I have been playing without the top felts and wing nuts ever since. Fortunately, I have never had a cymbal fly off while playing, and enjoy the sound of my cymbals being open.
I use ‘No Nuts’ with a felt underneath for rides and crashes, swapping cymbals is a breeze, and because of the longer ‘tube’ I haven’t had any fly off. Thanks, guys.
Quick locks work really well.
Yes, I’ve got some Tama quick locks, I used them until I discovered No Nuts. Depending on the cymbal, I use the traditional set up as well…it just depends. Cheers
Such a good episode! I think about these things all the time...thanks for taking the time to test them out! Do you have a preference for a style of felt depending on the cymbal size as well? Example, I have a bigger thinner ride that I really like to tighten up because it gets super wobbly after a few strikes. Thanks again!
Definitely a topic overlooked but I do feel as though I just adapt to whatever comes with the stands I buy. Yamaha felts are a bit thick, so I keep it pretty loose.
Always hated the jam nights where they had the kit, the hardware but no felts (sometimes no clutch) 🙃
As always, great video!
Great examples Cody! I did not know that some cymbal cracking is caused by the tightness of the felts. On a side note, your weight loss is working well for you...... I'm working on mine too, and not only does it make me feel better, I also look better, at least that's what I've been told by my very biased wife of 52 years.... Thanks and Blessings Cody and crew.
Great video! Personally, I like playing with no felt or wingnut on top of my ride and crash cymbals for the longer sustain and the more open sound it gives. So far, I haven't ran into the issue of the cymbal coming off of my stands , likely because I tend to use bigger size cymbals with a bit more weight to them since I use bigger sized drums. I can hit them hard and I like to play off of the sway that having no top felt creates - although when I record, I do use felts lightly for more stick definition on specific cymbals.
Thanks for this. As i have yet to invest in any new cymbals yet. I have been working with my hand-me-down kit. I have been experimenting a bit. However when i purchase some new ones soon i now have a better understanding of the differences and pros and cons. Time to go shopping 😊
Good video, as ever. Avoid overtightening cymbals, especially if, for example, riding a crash.
What about No Nuts Percussion as an alternative that you seem to have overlooked entirely as another option?
Just found your channel - great content for drummers!
Welcome!
To add to my many comments about working in an industrial setting... 10mm or 3/8" pneumatic hose makes a fantastic material for cymbal stand sleeves. It's very tough and slippery polyurethane material that wears forever! Most of my replacement cases have been because they got lost... So what! the price per foot makes it totally acceptable! If you can find a shop that does automation with pneumatics, an air compressor dealership or a place along those lines, you can probably score a few feet for a couple of bucks or some random bits of free offcuts if you really score big! You should always have a pocket knife or a multi-tool in your kit anyways... So a lost sleeve is never too far away from a quick chop off your huge stash of spares!!
when I started playing drums, I didn't have money for stands after selling my first kit for my new set. having lights stands and some wood I made a 3 sided "cage" with 4 stands and 3 cross members and hung my cymbal with dog chains, my ride was mounted to a free swinging threaded rod that was bent to the correct angle ..... #80'sMetal
No Nuts cymbal sleeves with Cymrings on them under the cymbal, except for my China, which has normal felts and a quick release nut.
They let the cymbals breathe and move, and they make setup and tear down quick and easy. I swear by them!
I too always keep extra felts, washers, wing nuts, and cymbal sleaves in my stick bag.
18" and larger - no felt/wingnut
17" and under - felt/wingnut
This is great!!
Hm, I definitely prefer the sound of loose felts. As a practical matter, I've always kept mine loose because I was told early on that tight felts pose a greater risk for cracking. Perhaps that informs my preference.
There's also the tried and true Dave Grohl technique of sandbagging the stand and hitting the cymbal so hard it slices through the spindle every four shows or so.
In some of your older videos I saw you using a weird angular rubber felt on the bottom hi hat. How foes that affect the tone? I’ve been wondering for a while, but haven’t felt (no pun intended) like buying one.
I have used one for years. I love it. Pearl makes one, and the product is NP-208. Gibraltar makes one, too: SC-HR1.
@@si1995gtnupe1997 how does it differ from a felt one. What can I expect if I decide to buy one?
@@shadow.chicken : To my ears, it’s a bit of a crisper sound overall, and it doesn’t compress like the traditional felt type. It’s a low cost item - give it a try.
I think I heard briefly in this one about stacking cymbals? Is that like on the same stand? Asking because I've seen that. Like maybe a 18" crash with maybe a 14 or 16" china on top of that? I say maybe because I haven't tried but I want to. I was pretty sure it's not just metal to metal on the cymbals together. But some cushion between (felt). Want to set it up right. Thanks so much for what you bring to us!
not enough of a difference to risk my cymbals coming off their stands
Yes they do….and decay time also
Backlining a kit with no sleeves is the most annoying and triggering thing. Like why are you not aware it's bad to share that
For 25 years on my Paiste 2002 I've used rubber washers on bottoms, nothing on top (with nylon tip sticks) . Maximum resonance and sustain. Occasionally I use felts for taming a harsh cymbal on top and bottom with a loosely tighten Sonor plastic quick release wingnut.
The idea that anyone listening this would be able to hear, let alone have an opinion of, these subtleties are ridiculous