Red Dot Forum Camera Talk: Leica Q2 Monochrom
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- In this special installment of Red Dot Forum Camera Talk, David Farkas and Josh Lehrer will discuss the brand new Leica Q2 Monochrom, just introduced this week. They'll explain where the camera fits into the lineup, see how it compares against the Q2 converted to B&W and if it stacks up against the M10 Monochrom. Feel free to send questions beforehand, or ask us live.
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I know this video has been out for a while but I just watched it for the first time and enjoyed it. I have to comment on the matter of cropping vs. using a longer lens, though: the only thing that determines perspective is the camera position relative to the subject. Using a wider lens and cropping gives you exactly the same compression effect as using a longer lens. The difference, obviously, comes from the loss in quality from losing pixels.
I ordered my Q2M today!
It's a great camera. Enjoy!
After watching this a second time, I am even more amazed at the amount of useful information that was presented. Much appreciated!
Glad it was helpful!
I guess it is quite off topic but does anybody know of a good site to stream new tv shows online?
Very informative. I am that much closer to purchasing a Q2M as a result! 📷
Thanks for the comparisons here guys. I’ve been sitting on the fence, trying to talk myself into (and out of) buying a Q2M. Today I took the plunge and ordered one. My first venture into Leica (currently a Sony shooter) and this camera ticks all the boxes as a second (or should I say an alternative) body for me. I just hope it’s not too phenomenal and that it doesn’t see me sell all my current gear for an M10 (or M11 if released soon)!
How has your experience been thus far?
@@Domestikos88 I’m finding the Q2M to be a superb camera. Those greyscales are truly amazing and the low light capability is outstanding. The compact size makes it easy to carry. It compliments my Sony as a secondary and somewhat specialised camera.
Congratulations! I love mine to bits. An orange or red filter is a great addition.
You two have convinced me to get a Q2 Monochrom
Thanks guys. I just bought a used Q@M! Looking forward to the images! Geoff
Another great video. The Q series is a special line of cameras.
Yes they are!
I'm gonna watch it again! it was that good!
BTW Anybody here use Circular Filters on their Q2 USING the OEM Hood? I hear LIMS is a good alternative. Changing out filters using the OEM Hood is a PITA.
Hoage LH - LQ from amazon for £30 fits on the lens like the original. no more stuck fingers trying to adjust Polarisers etc. Thorston Van Overgaard's version is is better material but £145 approx.
@@victorcarmelo8606 I have the Thorston model on my Q2 it works at treat. I think i'l either have a look at the one you mentioned or just get another Thorston.
Thank you.
I would love to see a video of your studio setup. Also, if possible the whole process of feeding to computer and grading.
We're looking at doing some studio improvements in the near future. Maybe that would be a good time to show a behind the scenes look. Stay tuned,
Just wanted to make sure...cases for the q2 fit the q2 monochrome without any differences? Thanks!
That is correct. Apart from the styling of the paint finish, leatherette covering and color of the engravings, the Q2 and Q2M share identical physical dimensions. A fitted half case for the Q2 will fit the Q2M.
I love your shows!
Stupid question - can you use the viso flex on the Q2? I know it would be redundant but I think being able to use that to capture images on the Q2 would be great!
No, you can't use the Visoflex EVF on the Q2 or Q2M as there is electronic connection in the hot shoe. Also, the built-in OLED EVF in the Q2 and Q2M offers a superior viewing experience. Much higher resolution, brighter, more accurate tonal rendering and higher refresh rate.
@@RedDotForum Thank you! (Making the purchase now, actually. I am so very appreciative of this forum and all the information that you guys provide. Also, I am looking forward to being a part of the Leica community!
New Q2M user questions:
1. How to eliminate all the extraneous indicators all around the frame in the viewfinder to see only the image?
2. What, if anything do you recommend to apply during Import? In a few hours testing I find nothing I feel I need to do to all Q2M images and the Built-In Lens Correction Profile in LR
1. Just press the central button on the right hand side of the camers
2. I have found the same when I import into lightroom not much adjustments needed unless you follow Davids advice and underexpose 1ev so as to preserve highlights
Should one wait for Q3M? And for how long? Another two years?
A photographer in Spain or Portugal shoots in Black and white and he turns the picture into a silver oxide photograph. Can you do a camera talk about the steps needed to use the Leica Q2M and produce silver oxide pictures similar to his?
Moving from the Q to Q2-M is my ambition, and I wondered if it’s true that moving up to 47 megapixels on the Q2-M will mean it’s more difficult to obtain critical sharpness because of the increased detail and resolution...in other words do you have to be even more careful to achieve perfect focus because of all that increase in resolution and details...? Loved the show and saving up to get th Q3-M
Sorry...I mean saving for Q-2M
So, focus isn't the issue. The camera and lens combo does a fantastic job of nailing critical focus. Rather, the issue comes down to broader technique, keeping sway and motion to a minimum. Here, we've found notching up a little on minimum shutter speed helps a lot. And with the massive jump in ISO performance, keeping up a faster shutter speed is not an issue.
I love my Q2 to death but I have one horrible problem and wonder if anyone has an alternative soluion. I need a Grip extension so obtained one as resommended for the camera and it is the perfect size. However it has a really annoying feature. When screwed into the camera base it covers the battery chamber. Every time on a shoot I need to change the battery I have to undo the grip and have it lying around while I change over batteries. Then I have to pick it up, hoping no grit or ggrass has got onto it,and screw it back on. This is a real weakness. Has anyone found a grip extension for the Q2 and Q2M that attaches without covering the battery chamber ?
I was relieved to hear the m10m is still the king for B&W image quality. I just got one and buyer’s remorse was staring to creep in. The Leica Q cameras are all fantastic.
Me too. I was quite frustrated at all the platitudes considering I bought a m10 m and a 28 mm Summilux just a month ago. I have loved using it. And frankly, it's been great to learn how to use manual mode to its max. But even so, the Q2 monochrom discussion was driving me a bit mad.
The Q2 is far superior... purely for BW
@@splootan Far superior in what way? The m10 monochrome is also just b/w. Some context would help. Not that it matters. I'm not swapping my m10 for a q2, anyway.
@@seandee the sensor has been built from the ground up, thus allowing the lens and sensor to work together simultaneously. I’m not saying the M10 M is not great it is but the BW from the Q2 M is far superior, if you slapped on a Leica noctilux on the M10 it might be equal to it.
@@splootan That's what they mentioned on the show. But I'd want to see the difference, really. Anyway, for me it was just a temporary frustration. There's no way I'd move to a Q2 because to me the m10 m already does a spectacular job. I am happy you're answering this post, but the specifics would be where you'd have a discussion. Hence, if you said, "f stops" or "focus" or "stabilisation" or "video", then it might be a specific to talk about. Just "it's better" is a good idea, and probably true, but it may not help when it comes to specifics.
Hey guys another great video! Question : do u lose the extra stop advantage that the m monochrome has over the q2 mono when u consider that the q2 is stabilized?
Interesting point. And don't forget that the Q2M has a leaf shutter versus the M10M which has a vertical focal plane shutter. But.... I'd also argue that the M's more substantial mass provides some additional stability when shooting at slower shutter speeds.
Why can’t Leica add a bulb setting and longer shutter speed settings via a firmware update?
Sent my Oberwerth Harry and Sally and William back (bought both at same time) as I found the shoulder pad a Terrible design fault. It doesn’t glide along the strap. Exchanged a few emails with Oberwerth design team and the said they are to update it soon. Apart from that, beautiful bag. I alternatively purchase a Billingham which you can add a separate shoulder pad that in really comfortable and it also glides up and down the strap.
Another Question - I regularly use a 16mm and 35mm prime on my xpro3 aka the poor mans Leica. Do you think the 28mm on the Q2 would be a great compromise for those focal length? I zoom with my feet often and I think it will be more than fine... I also think that the 28mm on the Q2 is far superior than both the 16mm and 35mm fuji lenses. You thoughts would be greatly appreciated!!
I think your talking different things here,Fuji vs Leica is orange vs Apple,they have nothing in common in handing,operating,style and functional.So Fuji is not poor man’s Leica.
First,we are talking two times sensor size,almost two times resolutions.this is cliche,bigger sensor is better
Second is Leica q lens is superb.I could not think any Fuji 28 equivalent is even can come close.
Q is not a system camera,it is a compact camera,there are no compromises,it targeted at a specific audience.
@@xiayu6665 I ended up getting an M10 and a 21mm Elmrit also picked up a 50mm from TTartisan and a 35mm (to see which focal length that I actually wanted to invest in natively). I regret nothing. I'll get a q2 as my second body. I enjoyed fuji and don't really have anything bad to say about the gear... I'll be using Leica for the foreseeable future.
@@xiayu6665 Amazing how one can use so many words to not answer a question at all. Thats quite impressive.
@@Nearest_Neighbor I don’t think you could even understand the question at all.I do not think you even used those camera at all.
He trying to pair different type of camera which can cause confusion on operating the camera,and non of the Fuji lens some how have the performance close to Leica lenses.Sometimes if you compares very different things which impossible to compare , you’d better to gave honest opinion about each product,back off ,keyboard worrier
@@Nearest_Neighbor I answered the question which there are no compromise to replace Fuji with Leica,because lens is better and sensor size is bigger
What a pity this documentary does not allow translation into Spanish...generated by Yutube, my question is...I have a leica q2, to take good black and white photos, is it preferable to take monochrome or DNG photos...?
He he he, same problem now with the Q3 at 17:08 😅
Another way to look at it, you buy a Summilux 28mm 1.7 lens and get a free monochrome camera ;-)
I am a fan of FF 24 Mp (chose my Q-P over the 48MP Q2, where money was no problem) cause I think that is the best combi. And I would even buy that camera if it was only 12 MP camera (think about that when you have time to kill hehehe ) !!!
24 MP will give you leverage enough to print big and if you are in need to alter so much in post, you better off learning how to shoot better in SOOC ;-)
Love the Q for all the reason your mentioned and I can advice everybody, get a (maybe used) Q as a carry on camera
I would have thought if Leica wanted to put a 24MP sensor in the monochrome they would have done it, must have their reasons, also they can't please everyone. I have 12, 24, 42.5 and the Q2 47mp sensors on my various cameras and each is fine for the camera its in. I'm sure it's all done for a purpose.
@@victorcarmelo8606 Indeed but often the purpose is Marketing wise and not Photography wise.
Have children please, the world needs more.
What would you set your camera at in relatively dark conditions to avoid too much grain? At 12500 iso, f8, 1/125 can be a struggle in a restaurant. I’ve found that if I reveal the shadows, I get a grainy effect.
Open up your aperture to full to reduce ISO.
@@genesparks1589 I’m more interested In the post processing than the mechanical part. As to how to make use of high iso without graininess.After all, the camera is built for high ISO.
thats the banding try changing the lens profile to 50 APO in light room or c1
I love my Q but I was always a bit annoyed about distorted edges... still happening?
Could be the revised microlens structure on the sensor, but the edges of the frame look great on the Q2M.
@@RedDotForum the look sharp and good but to my opinion there’s an artificial distortion (or correction) happening there, no way it happens with a 28mm lens on M... that’s my guess but don’t have a 28mm to test 😅
Hi. How is the stabilization like.
The optical (OIS) stabilization in the Q2 is decent,. But the real benefit of the Q2M is that it allows you to use much faster shutter speeds due to such clean high ISO performance. And as good as IS might be, there is simply no substitute for shutter speed.
round a hundred grand sitting on the desk.
What would you choose if budget is not an issue, the q2 or the Q2M?
Both are fantastic. It comes down to what you like to shoot. For color, the Q2. For black and white, the Q2M.
RedDotForum thanks guys! Super informative video!
But the Witht the Q2, I can just convert the images to B&W in post. Why is there a need to get the q2M for that matter?
@@patrickhao8473 Image quality on the Monochrom is much, much finer. Higher resolution, less noise, increased lower-light options. Color digicams are really a kludge.
Is Q2 monochrome Abel to interchange any lens ?
The Q2 and Q2 Monochrom have a fixed 28mm lens. It is not interchangeable.
Will Leica make M in the future can change CMOS ?
I really wish they kept the red Leica dot or replaced the red Leica dot with a black and white Leica dot instead of leaving it badge-less
I been along time Sony shooter but just picked up a q2. Even though I love the q2 the Sony is so much quicker, better focus and so much easier to use.. two things that drive me nuts with the q2. Auto focus, does not work well.. never focuses on what I want it to. The eye auto focus on the Sony is like a cheat mode. Also another things that drives me nuts is the auto view finder/back screen. If I want to take a quick shot of something it always thinks my eye is up on the view finder not allowing the back screen to show. This use to happen all the time on my a7rii but Sony did something to update the riii model and it works flawlessly.
Sell it
@@the7thobserver700 already sold it.
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What a pity this documentary does not allow translation into Spanish .. generated by Yutube
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