en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proteus Apropos the linking of Gurdjieff to Proteus , the shape-shifting sea god. Protean ; capable of assuming many forms , versatile , ever changing. "I can add colours to the chameleon , Change shapes with Proteus for advantages , And set the murderous Machiavel to school , Can I do this , and cannot get a crown ? Tut , were it further off , I'll pluck it down." Henry VI part 3 , act 3 , scene 1 , William Shakespeare. Gurdjieff claimed that he knew Shakespeare! And why not ?!
There’s a story where Jesus walked out from amongst a violent group of people getting angry at him, almost like he became invisible/unsensed by the crowd. Very curious.
This is the perfect example of either becoming invisible or shape-shifting. Thank you for bringing it up. "They mobbed Jesus and threw him out of the city , dragging him to the edge of the cliff on the hill on which the city had been built , ready to hurl him off. But he walked right through the crowd , leaving them all stunned." Luke 4. 29-30. " G had explained to us earlier that if one mastered the art of plastics one could completely alter one's appearance. He had said that one could become beautiful or hideous. One could compel people to notice one or one could become ACTUALLY INVISIBLE." Ouspensky , chapter 16 , In search of the miraculous
Thank you. I believe that G had done intensive work with those who witnessed his transformation on the train , and due to this work , they too themselves changed , and in doing so , were able to see G transform on the train. G allowed them to see. As a form of ultimate verification. Ouspensky goes on to say in the fourth way ; "the things we now see in our present state of sleep , need to be unseen and those we cannot see , need to be seen." I cannot see just how this can be done other than via a dramatic change of consciousness.
Very interesting, thank you. I had read the Book twice many years ago but hadn't remembered that particular curious part. I always had the impression the Tales were literal, the earth descents and descriptions of our general dysfunction, other planets, strange beings and space ships, all of it. An unflattering Report Card offered to humanity in the hope of initiating change. It was such a charming and objectively unique appeal that it's good sense is hard to resist.
I've had that same impression of the Tales from my first encounter with the book. I often say that that book is the realest representation of what reality actually is and that the truth in it, though buried very deeply, is at the same time very obvious and striking. -Lara
Yes. It goes with the territory. The way of the sly shapeshifter. Rodney Collin left a remarkable , unpublished written account of him spending an evening with Ouspensky in the dining room of Lyne place a few weeks before Ouspensky's death , in which Collin saw Ouspensky shapeshift into Maurice Nicoll , Gurdjieff , and Orage all within the space of a few hours. Source Joyce Collin-smith (his sister-in-law) In search of the miraculous , indeed
th-cam.com/video/kqDYrGrfFuw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=H48_0sAwHjicGLyY I'm fixated with the table and what's on it. John Pentland was a great teacher of the work. In 1947 he formed , along with Gurdjieff and Madame de Salzmann , the Gurdjieff foundation in New York. He then spent the following thirty years of his life teaching the work. Mainly with the cave group in OREGON. It's a small world
Hi there! Thanks a lot for this. Waiting for the video from Lynn. And by the way just a tip that I thought would be useful. Mr.Ouspensky emphasis the importance of thinking in different categories. The table at the end of the book Tertium Organum will be highly useful to accomplish this task. It is a great reference point and with its help many things can be uncovered. Just my two cents. Feedback are welcome. Good luck to one and all out there. Love. 🎉
"Once, I remember, in a particularily vividly-expressed new state, that is, when I understood very clearly all I wished to understand I decided to find some formula, some key, which I should be able, so to speak, to throw across to myself for the next day. I decided to sum up shortly all I understood at that moment and write down, if possible in one sentence, what it was necessary to do in order to bring myself into the same state immediately, by one turn of thought without any preliminary preparation, since this appeared possible to me all the time. I found this formula and wrote it down on a pencil with a piece of paper. On the following day I read the sentence, "think in other categories". These were the words, but what was their meaning? Where was everything I had associated with these words when I wrote them? It had all disappeared, vanished like a dream. Certainly the sentence "think in other categories 🐈⬛" had a meaning, only I could not recollect it, could not reach it." From Experimental Mysticism, chapter 8 of Ouspensky's New model of the universe. Best wishes, Lara and Noel
Great stuff, sir. I just acquired a small text titled "Gurdjieff: A Very Great Enigma." It's by Bennett, who I know you don't think super highly of (as far as his Fourth Way teaching goes, anyway), but I do find it interesting that he notes in there what you mention here. He says "no two people who knew or met him would agree as to who and what he was." His explanation goes beyond the usual subjectivity of memory that we all experience. Gurdjieff was a master of disguise. Very intriguing stuff. Excellent video, as usual. EDIT: Also, I love what you say about levels of consciousness and am reminded of someone in the Fourth Way saying that G said that's how the Gospels work. The 4 Gospels are directed different levels of consciousness.
Your comment is superb and vivifying. Thank you. There is an invisible chain which brings together all those connected to the nucleus of the work. An unseen power which sweeps through it and confirms its truth. When one's consciousness changes one sees things one does not currently see. And the whole of the teaching is about change of being and consciousness. The higher levels are inaccessible to the ones beneath them. One of the most frustrating aspects of the work is having profound mystical experiences (as I know you've had. You told me a few years back) and being totally unable to convey them in the language at our disposal. I suppose this is where the emanations come in. And their importance. As William Segal (a close pupil of G's for over a decade ) once said , Gurdjieff taught me far more with his back than any book I've ever read.
Not to my knowledge. When I came across the passage about plastics I was rather taken aback. I wasn't aware that such a subject was mentioned in the work. And for some unknown reason , it greatly resonated with me , and explained a lot. Gurdjieff gets on the train , and another man is seen. Shape-shifting ? Has this person named Gurdjieff been hiding his true identity from all those he encountered ? Funnily enough , a few hours ago I was reading an account by Michel Conge (Close pupil of Gurdjieff's) about Gurdjieff getting on a train in France and becoming a different person while on it. His gaze became that of a person from another world and moved me deeply. Saint-Lazare station 1948 Here is the account , It is the third one down www.gurdjieff.org/train-stations.htm
The best human concept i can use to understand the Godhead is meditation, this practice is to switch off the physical reality and switch on the spiritual one, God being infinite manifested creation with his spirit whiles completely being physical ( Jesus), his physical manifestation is an overlay of the spiritual manifestation that’s already created eternity, Remember salvations requirement is to believe that Jesus is God/ salvation
The fourth way informs one not to "believe" in anything , unless it has been "verified , " proven. Only this way can we come to something that is real and valuable. The terms "spiritual" and "enlightenment" are regarded as barriers to "knowing." This talk sheds great light on the matter , th-cam.com/video/7JHYFKwh0Wo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=yitXIqB4VYFlf48t The quote by Michel Conge is at the very heart of the matter All the best , Noel and Lara
I believe the secret is in Rodney Collins book on celestial influence. The planets are oriented towards different elements which are psychological processes. Now, I'm not saying this is anything holy. In fact I don't go to Fourth Way materials or people for spiritual information.
I'm convinced that Gurdjieff had Siddhi supernatural , magical powers. This would've been learnt and honed during his two years at a Tibetan monastry with the red hat lammas between 1902-1904. It was here that he was discovered by the German General , Karl Haushofer (who spent the two years working with him in Tibet) who then went back to Germany and said that he had found the supreme ubermensch (Superman) fast forward twenty years and Haushofer provided Gurdjieff with a house in Berlin from where he taught for one year prior to le Prieure. For more info on this , th-cam.com/video/S53f-tfp56k/w-d-xo.htmlsi=sfWDR9KkeBkwtvcf
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proteus
Apropos the linking of Gurdjieff to Proteus , the shape-shifting sea god.
Protean ; capable of assuming many forms , versatile , ever changing.
"I can add colours to the chameleon ,
Change shapes with Proteus for advantages ,
And set the murderous Machiavel to school ,
Can I do this , and cannot get a crown ?
Tut , were it further off , I'll pluck it down."
Henry VI part 3 , act 3 , scene 1 ,
William Shakespeare.
Gurdjieff claimed that he knew Shakespeare!
And why not ?!
There’s a story where Jesus walked out from amongst a violent group of people getting angry at him, almost like he became invisible/unsensed by the crowd. Very curious.
This is the perfect example of either becoming invisible or shape-shifting. Thank you for bringing it up.
"They mobbed Jesus and threw him out of the city , dragging him to the edge of the cliff on the hill on which the city had been built , ready to hurl him off. But he walked right through the crowd , leaving them all stunned."
Luke 4. 29-30.
" G had explained to us earlier that if one mastered the art of plastics one could completely alter one's appearance. He had said that one could become beautiful or hideous. One could compel people to notice one or one could become ACTUALLY INVISIBLE."
Ouspensky , chapter 16 , In search of the miraculous
Enjoyed this talk quite a bit. Cheers, my friend.
Thank you.
I believe that G had done intensive work with those who witnessed his transformation on the train , and due to this work , they too themselves changed , and in doing so , were able to see G transform on the train. G allowed them to see. As a form of ultimate verification. Ouspensky goes on to say in the fourth way ; "the things we now see in our present state of sleep , need to be unseen and those we cannot see , need to be seen."
I cannot see just how this can be done other than via a dramatic change of consciousness.
Very interesting, thank you. I had read the Book twice many years ago but hadn't remembered that particular curious part. I always had the impression the Tales were literal, the earth descents and descriptions of our general dysfunction, other planets, strange beings and space ships, all of it. An unflattering Report Card offered to humanity in the hope of initiating change. It was such a charming and objectively unique appeal that it's good sense is hard to resist.
I've had that same impression of the Tales from my first encounter with the book. I often say that that book is the realest representation of what reality actually is and that the truth in it, though buried very deeply, is at the same time very obvious and striking.
-Lara
Shapeshifting to function in different situations and with different people.. G speaks of this in his books.
Yes. It goes with the territory. The way of the sly shapeshifter.
Rodney Collin left a remarkable , unpublished written account of him spending an evening with Ouspensky in the dining room of Lyne place a few weeks before Ouspensky's death , in which Collin saw Ouspensky shapeshift into Maurice Nicoll , Gurdjieff , and Orage all within the space of a few hours.
Source Joyce Collin-smith (his sister-in-law)
In search of the miraculous , indeed
Great Work Here
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We will leave Everything on the Table 🙏
th-cam.com/video/kqDYrGrfFuw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=H48_0sAwHjicGLyY
I'm fixated with the table and what's on it.
John Pentland was a great teacher of the work. In 1947 he formed , along with Gurdjieff and Madame de Salzmann , the Gurdjieff foundation in New York. He then spent the following thirty years of his life teaching the work. Mainly with the cave group in OREGON. It's a small world
Hi there! Thanks a lot for this. Waiting for the video from Lynn. And by the way just a tip that I thought would be useful. Mr.Ouspensky emphasis the importance of thinking in different categories. The table at the end of the book Tertium Organum will be highly useful to accomplish this task. It is a great reference point and with its help many things can be uncovered. Just my two cents. Feedback are welcome. Good luck to one and all out there. Love. 🎉
"Once, I remember, in a particularily vividly-expressed new state, that is, when I understood very clearly all I wished to understand I decided to find some formula, some key, which I should be able, so to speak, to throw across to myself for the next day. I decided to sum up shortly all I understood at that moment and write down, if possible in one sentence, what it was necessary to do in order to bring myself into the same state immediately, by one turn of thought without any preliminary preparation, since this appeared possible to me all the time. I found this formula and wrote it down on a pencil with a piece of paper. On the following day I read the sentence, "think in other categories". These were the words, but what was their meaning? Where was everything I had associated with these words when I wrote them? It had all disappeared, vanished like a dream. Certainly the sentence "think in other categories 🐈⬛" had a meaning, only I could not recollect it, could not reach it."
From Experimental Mysticism, chapter 8 of Ouspensky's New model of the universe.
Best wishes,
Lara and Noel
fragments of an unknown teaching
Fragments that some how or other became known to somebody somewhere and orally transmitted
Great stuff, sir. I just acquired a small text titled "Gurdjieff: A Very Great Enigma." It's by Bennett, who I know you don't think super highly of (as far as his Fourth Way teaching goes, anyway), but I do find it interesting that he notes in there what you mention here. He says "no two people who knew or met him would agree as to who and what he was." His explanation goes beyond the usual subjectivity of memory that we all experience. Gurdjieff was a master of disguise. Very intriguing stuff. Excellent video, as usual. EDIT: Also, I love what you say about levels of consciousness and am reminded of someone in the Fourth Way saying that G said that's how the Gospels work. The 4 Gospels are directed different levels of consciousness.
Your comment is superb and vivifying. Thank you.
There is an invisible chain which brings together all those connected to the nucleus of the work. An unseen power which sweeps through it and confirms its truth.
When one's consciousness changes one sees things one does not currently see. And the whole of the teaching is about change of being and consciousness. The higher levels are inaccessible to the ones beneath them. One of the most frustrating aspects of the work is having profound mystical experiences (as I know you've had. You told me a few years back) and being totally unable to convey them in the language at our disposal. I suppose this is where the emanations come in. And their importance. As William Segal (a close pupil of G's for over a decade ) once said , Gurdjieff taught me far more with his back than any book I've ever read.
@@hermesnoelthefourthway great stuff, man. You are one of the real ones, and I sincerely appreciate it.
So do I !!
"Above all else to thy own sweet self be true , and as sure as night follows day , all will be true to you."
Polonius , Hamlet.
Did Ouspensky or Gurdjieff write about "plastics" anywhere else? I don't remember reading anywhere else about it. I googled it and this video came up.
Not to my knowledge. When I came across the passage about plastics I was rather taken aback. I wasn't aware that such a subject was mentioned in the work. And for some unknown reason , it greatly resonated with me , and explained a lot. Gurdjieff gets on the train , and another man is seen. Shape-shifting ?
Has this person named Gurdjieff been hiding his true identity from all those he encountered ?
Funnily enough , a few hours ago I was reading an account by Michel Conge (Close pupil of Gurdjieff's) about Gurdjieff getting on a train in France and becoming a different person while on it. His gaze became that of a person from another world and moved me deeply.
Saint-Lazare station 1948
Here is the account ,
It is the third one down
www.gurdjieff.org/train-stations.htm
The best human concept i can use to understand the Godhead is meditation, this practice is to switch off the physical reality and switch on the spiritual one,
God being infinite manifested creation with his spirit whiles completely being physical ( Jesus), his physical manifestation is an overlay of the spiritual manifestation that’s already created eternity,
Remember salvations requirement is to believe that Jesus is God/ salvation
The fourth way informs one not to "believe" in anything , unless it has been "verified , " proven. Only this way can we come to something that is real and valuable. The terms "spiritual" and "enlightenment" are regarded as barriers to "knowing."
This talk sheds great light on the matter ,
th-cam.com/video/7JHYFKwh0Wo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=yitXIqB4VYFlf48t
The quote by Michel Conge is at the very heart of the matter
All the best ,
Noel and Lara
@@hermesnoelthefourthway Mystery’s are revealed by God, what you are talking about is unbelief and that’s not salvation.
@@hermesnoelthefourthway If you put a man above God then you won’t understand how to rightly divide the bible.
I believe the secret is in Rodney Collins book on celestial influence. The planets are oriented towards different elements which are psychological processes. Now, I'm not saying this is anything holy. In fact I don't go to Fourth Way materials or people for spiritual information.
I admire Rodney Collin's work. He learnt a great deal from Ouspensky. Thank you for mentioning his theory of celestial influence.
All the best
@@hermesnoelthefourthway in a fourth way sense I should have said social processes. As in the play of typology.
@@magmasunburst9331
Let us not exhaust the bobbin-kandlenosts of our intellectual center ! Perish the thought , mush ! 😂
Do you think it might just be a siddhi he was gifted with.
I'm convinced that Gurdjieff had Siddhi supernatural , magical powers. This would've been learnt and honed during his two years at a Tibetan monastry with the red hat lammas between 1902-1904. It was here that he was discovered by the German General , Karl Haushofer (who spent the two years working with him in Tibet) who then went back to Germany and said that he had found the supreme ubermensch (Superman) fast forward twenty years and Haushofer provided Gurdjieff with a house in Berlin from where he taught for one year prior to le Prieure.
For more info on this ,
th-cam.com/video/S53f-tfp56k/w-d-xo.htmlsi=sfWDR9KkeBkwtvcf
Don't you scrub up well !
It's the highly abrasive carbolic soap I use , purchased from sagacious scrubbers in New Orleans. Distributed worldwide by Amazon. Bezos recommended it to me a few years back. He told me he uses it on his head. This info so impressed me , I bought a shipload of it 🧼 🧑🦲