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4:44 The most infamous one is Albedo's Cinnabar Spindle. Since then, Albedo's bis weapon is forever gone. And that has caused an incredible fear on missing event weapons and their refinements.
CINNABAR SPINDLE IS AN EVENT WEAPON??? god i hate all limited time weapons because i cant get any of the ones before mailed flower and i keep seeing festering desire or toukabou shigure in builds
I'ma be real, I don't think it's as deep as any of this goes into. Eula strikes me as a flub on their end of game design. It's more likely they're 'embarrassed' by the state of physical and don't want to steer players towards it until either a rework to either her or physical outright. It probably wasn't a flub back when she first released, but when they truly got a good idea for what Dendro was going to be and started releasing for it, the name of the game is supports and reactions that use EM as a state. There's so many characters that synergize with this it's obscene. Even characters are far back as Fischl get a direct buff. Between this and Cryo starting to fall off and Spiral Abyss sometimes downright punishing Cryo, even with Eula basically being zilch for application, if I was a company like Hoyo, yeah, I wouldn't want to sell Eula in her current state either. She sold well her first time, but they have the data to support that she probably won't now. They even have a whole element in Geo they're trying to forcefeed before Eula with things like Itto and Albedo reruns in the most weird spots. Geo characters are struggling themselves, and now it's up to them to sell a character that has almost zero reaction potential AND is based on a super niche stat? Yeah, I wouldn't wanna rerun her now either, honestly. All it's going to take is any of the content creators saying 'oh she's a bad unit', which comparatively to current meta of the game on a fundamental level she is, for her banner to tank horribly. They've been dropping the ball on any banners that aren't from Inuzuma or are an Archon for Sumeru. Dehya was horrible and still is a big issue, Alhaitham and Baizhu didn't do so well because there's a female bias because 'waifus'. Assuming she's dropping in 3.8, she's coming at the tail end of a region where people are going to want to save for the Hydro Archon as is. Eula, logistically speaking, is in a genuinely bad spot on all fronts. The time they could have run her, she would have become Yoimiya 2.0, or always be on the tail end of a cycle. Since she came out physical, geo, and even Pyro have fallen off, with Pyro only really alive because Bennet and Xiangling with a bit of Hu Tao popularity, and Geo solely held up by Zhongli and Yun Jin to a lesser extent. Realistically speaking, if your unit is not Anemo, Hydro, Dendro, or Electro, you genuinely take a hit in viability. Just as a whole. Then it starts to go down the list of Pyro, then Cryo, with Geo at the backend and Phys at the back of the bus entirely. Making a Phys team requires specific units, and Mika isn't even that good at the support of it either. Back when Eula released, this wasn't the case. In fact, Electro USED to be one of the worst elements in the game. Then it went super power creep with Raiden Shogun and a load of other introduced units, then Dendro came out and pushed Electro even further. Anyways, to end this ramble, Eula not being out doesn't strike me as a FOMO art, it strikes me as Hoyo not wanting to release something that half works and won't do well. There's even Eula C6 players out there who will tell you that she isn't worth it anymore on principle. If anything, the only reason a Eula banner might do decently right now, and this is a big maybe, is her design as a character.
no like actually, i'm like 99% sure this is the reason why for the no banner streak. plus, a character can be extremely popular and not be meta (dehya…). eula is high investment, but 'waifu collectors' will pull and whale if they like her enough. still though…if hoyo just revamp geo/phys, they can make bank lmao i still don't get why they’re delaying such an opportunity to further popularise fan favourites.
I stopped playing right around when Sumeru released because of burnout and I can't describe how much I felt like I've been missing after just returning to it a week ago. The meta skyrocketed (especially with dendro and what have you), I missed out on like 20 characters, 2 regions (well, 3 because Natlan is out too now), and the story experience (now I just avoid spoilers at all costs even though I'm into the game's lore so much). I also missed out on grinding and all which means I just feel left behind. I missed out on a bunch of exclusive weapons which is extra sucky because some are really good for characters I wanted to build. Not to mention I was also a low spender (BP + Welkin) since day one, so to stop playing for so long literally made me anxious to return to it again. It was a do it right or don't at all type mindset, which really made it hard to return after 4.0. 'Since I already missed out on Sumeru, why bother with Fontaine? It's not like I can catch up at this rate. Even now with 5.0 out It still took me a week to convince myself that I want to return to the game 'just for the story and lore', only to now feel like I'm falling in all the same grindy traps all over again, but more on that later. While trying to catch up with co-op achievments, I ran into this person who was probably a low spender that just had insane builds, but what caught my interest was his Arlecchino (which was an insane build too). I've seen the post Inazuma teaser with all the harbingers and I was super excited for her only to forget about the game, miss out. I started to save up because she's a meta character that will likely get rerun soon enough, and I've been speedrunning Sumeru's drawn out archon quest to get to Fontaine as fast as possible. To be honest, even that is tiring, especially when I had 100% exploration on everything up to Sumeru (except chasm) and with how sheer biggly big Sumeru is I feel like I'm risking burnout again. Everyone is AR 60 while I'm still mid 58 and it kinda feels isolating. The past week I've legitimately had trouble sleeping because of stress about missing out on so much, even though I know I shouldn't feel like that about a predatory gacha game of all things. This video really captured the nefarious mental tactics Hoyoverse uses to keep players invested in the game for as long as possible and explained it really well. I'm glad I stumbled upon this video. Coincidentally, I mained Eula ever since she was released lmao.
I have stopped playing Genshin altogether because I have no time left to actually play the game (or at least the necessary amount of time needed to grind). Likewise, I made it a point to only roll in the game if I feel like rolling and accepted the fact that I will never get what I want unless I actually spend money in it. I think this action actually saved me from gacha hell altogether...
The trick is to be desperate for your characters to come back that you save up and skip everything.... which is exactly what the gacha gods want. Skip more, which means you see more that you may want in the futute.... and the cycle repeats.
as a klee main, i have been forever grateful in her steady and reliable habit of having one rerun every year for the summer. its something ive learned not to take for granted, bc im slowly trying to build her up to c6, and knowing i can pull every year and get her constellations is huge
Klee is blessed that she's Alice's child, always gets some fun every summer event. and even if not Alice will always come back for Monds events on some mysterious ways
I'll be honest, Klee is what got me into Genshin (cause she so cute) after seeing a friend play. I started basically right after her banner ended, was disappointed but we knew some leaks about the next handful of 5*s and we figured there was a pattern to it, so, and this was the literal verbatim thought that went through my head "okay, so I won't have to wait for a year or something." ...Umm...
I think Eula has been on the back burner just due to the spot physical dmg is current in, in a game based around elements and their reactions, a physical dps carry isn't going to perform well. A Lot of the enemies in this game have high phys res, and the damage dealt can be inconsistent and fluctuates a lot depending on player skill, luck, enemy types, and content. She requires high investment, and a low investment hyperbloom team can clear the hardest content in the game just as easily as she can
Hyperbloom is one of Eula's best teams. Fridge variant, of course. It fills in several of her weaknesses, while providing superconduct. So, yes, a low investment hyperbloom team can clear the hardest content as easily as she can, because she can be part of that team. If not for that, said hyperbloom team most likely clears it easier than she does.
I think they brought over Honkai's systems, but realized they gimped physical. In HI3, only physical units can crit and elements can't. Making element crit, physical is nothing special. Now, physical and geo (yellow physical) are basically inert.
Eula/physical and Geo both are in a dire need of rework to the point they might actually rework them to the point of supporting eachother... but that's just my wishful thinking
Mihoyo's greed is actually double-edged, since it becomes very easy to get off the hook if you manage to break a cycle. I got burnt out of Genshin after the 1st Eula banner and decided to take a break. After 2 weeks offline I came back and tried to calculate my losses. "60 gems per 14 days gonna get me... 5.25 debate clubs, lol". After one question came others: "Will I care about a story that gonna be stretched out for 10+ years?" "Why do I play the game where getting a new char feels like a punishment and not a reward?" "What's the point of grinding into endgame, if the content here is just a dps check?" After some time I had no remorse of leaving Genshin for good.
I am saving for eula and genshin it's my de-stresser from work. I play more casually star risk but definitely I'm making wiser choices for SR than when i did genshin . When a game stops being fun then there is no point of playing . Yet just try to make sure you pull for characters YOU want and not because it's hyped
This is exactly the point I am in right now. I actually tried getting back into it saying "if i get kazuha, I'll play more often again" and while yes, I did get him, the amount of effort needed to make him (or any new character in general) useable in the current late-game is just annoying that I just burnt out all over again lmao
I know that the odds say you're more likely to get a 4 star that you want in a set amount of pulls but the massive difference between 4 stars and 5 stars is that you can NEVER guarantee that you will get any one 4 star character by pulling so even if you get one copy in a different way you might never get their constellations. I honestly think that making a 4 star unviable or incomplete without constellations like faruzan or gorou is one of the more greedy/scummy things hoyo can do, especially considering those 2 are already dedicated support units. A lot of people who have C6 faruzan probably have a wanderer constellation like me
@@isoundout sure, but isn't that relevant to not have one char fpr a while when the game have 60+ characters. I missed heizou 3 times because I have the 5 star on his banner. But I do t really care that much. Same with Kuki, that I loved the char when they announced. I pulled 90 times for her, got Itto in the process, but she never came. No problem, I got her on Cynos banner, and now I have her c4, soon to be c6.
@@pontoancora How much do you have to play to get a C6 Faruzan since her last banner? Do you know hoy much primos do you need to guarantee her? How much time did u have to wait in order to get Heizou? You missed him 3 times... Was it just at C0? At least he funtions fine at C0, right? Aniway if their point of this being some greedy tactics from hoyo in order to push people to spend is "not relevant" then... What are you defending here? That people need to waste more of their lives in this game in order to just have a chance to maybe play what the want? Thats what te company wants, your money or your time, and a lot of it
@@isoundout "How much do you have to play to get a C6 Faruzan since her last banner?" idk, maybe 2 out of each banner, 3 banners in a year. But that can drastically change. "Do you know hoy much primos do you need to guarantee her?" Theres no garanteed, but as a 4 star, they came eventually. Just play the game and you will have EVERY SINGLE 4 star chars with c6. As i said before. Just a matter of time. "greedy tactics from hoyo in order to push people to spend is "not relevant" then..." Giving 85% of the characters for free? I dont call that greedy at all. I would be very satisfied with 50% or even 25%. The game have now 60+ characters, so we have way more than we need. Even new players get enough in a single year. "That people need to waste more of their lives in this game in order to just have a chance to maybe play what the want?" Its a game made to be played for years, so i dont think this is a good argument. I dont waste my time, i play the game because its fun. If i play 1 year, good, if i play 2 years, great, if i play 10 years, even better. As long its fun i play, so i cant understand the "waste" part of you comment. Im ALWAYS playing what i want.
This video should be mandatory learning material for every single new Genshin player, so they know what are they up to and can get ready for it. Seriously, you nailed everything. I'm kinda similar case to you, buying Welkin and BP (never bought crystals though) and even playing on mobile during vacations - though I definitely don't feel guilty about that. I like the game and I think the entertainment it's giving me is well worth the money I spend on it. Yes, accepting the fact that you won't get everything that's in the game is the most fundamental thing you need to do as a player unless you're willing to spend egregious amounts of money. The amount of primogems we're getting for free every month is worth about $100 in top-ups, and that means spending $100 on top-ups every month will get you only about twice of what you already get for free. That's a lot of money for playing a game in my opinion. Spending $100 per month is still not enough to get you every character and weapon in the game, even only at C1R1. You wouldn't spend that much money on other entertainment media, you don't want to spend that much money on a single game either. Given how popular Genshin is and how other game companies are drawing inspiration from its success, I think the format is here to stay. And we need to get used to it. And that involves knowing what are we up to and learning strategies that will let us have the most fun without unnecessary regrets on spending more than we wanted to.
@@erwidobi7812 I don't think there's anything wrong on paying for entertainment, or in general paying other people for doing something you enjoy. It's all about keeping the price reasonable.
resigning yourself to not fun mechanics just tells developers to make not fun games.. considering im from a time where developers were desperate to get players to engage by making the game fun (sega/nintendo) I have a hard time understand this. Why should a game be a job (and then demand your money)? Games that couldn't be fun were normally dropped, not played for compulsion sake. "..we need to get used to it" or you could just not play gatcha like a addict looking for the next fix...
Her banner sales will be really interresting, I personally dont think she will do well as at this point we have seen that meta relevancy does significantly impact banner sales. But maybe there really. Are enough people that really want her and have been eaiting, we'll see
My expectation is that her banner will be one of Genshin's worst ones ever. Her damage is end-loaded, which is less ideal. But more importantly, physical damage has a lot of issues, issues that Hoyoverse has not addressed. And this makes Eula a weak character. And there's Klee, who right from her launch was described as clunky, while her burst going away if she goes off-field limits her usefulness greatly. And we'll be getting close to Fontaine, potentially seeing some spoilers for that, and that'll pull people's interest to the future, rather than the past. I love Eula. I've got two Eula shirts even. I find her fun to play. Love her personality. And I did what it took to make her work in most of my 36 star Abyss clears. Except the most recent ones, because it has finally gotten to the point where the issues a physical character has is just too much. It pains me to say it, she is not a good character to invest in from a power perspective. My on-field Dehya team (Dehya, Nahida, Kuki, and Fischl/Sucrose/whatever off-field element I need) clears the Abyss much easier. Maybe the circumstances will not make my prediction accurate. It has been a long time since her last re-run. You can pretty much guarantee Mika will get his first re-run on her banner. He's not the support she wants or needs, but plenty of people who don't have Eula currently likely won't realize that. And she'll likely be featured prominently in the summer zone event, so her personality will be at the forefront. Vengeance!
@@rubenlara4029 ok fine with sales numbers I guess I meant total wish numbers, which is data hoyo obviously has access to, while we only hace sales data
@@Axterix13 I agree that elemental reactions have the advantage, but Eula is by no means a weak character lol She was my main since her first banner all the way until Alhaitham's banner. If people used their brains and built her correctly, they would see huge numbers. My Eula does 20-25k each normal attack with a 4 star weapon, and don't get me started with her nuke ult. I clear content very easily with her and would still main her if Alhaitham wasn't my favorite character.
They did such a clever move there. Look at the latest banners, especially since Hu Tao. Filled with meta chars that are borderline broken and chars/weapons that didn't have a rerun for quite a while. Of course Eula will get her rerun soon now that everyone has spent all of their wishes and there are not that many quests to do to fill up the primogems. And after she had her rerun there will be a new zone with completely new characters and even a new archon - and of course this will make you stay, even after-Eula. Also I find it fascinating how they manage to give you the illusion of choice. No, you're not really chosing. They're simply manipulating you. The only real, down to earth choice you have from their point of view might actually be: To play or not to play.
Wonderful as always. Enjoy the long rambling and like how someone that doesn't even play genshin can watch the videos the same as a hardcore genshin player.
My response to FOMO is to be ultra patient, be willing to skip most banners, roll primarily on reruns(typically after a character has been fairly fleshed out by the meta), don't go out of my way for 4 stars, and basically play the long game. Somewhat early in my Genshin days, I came dreadfully close to losing Venti on one of the banners, and was kind of upset after losing 50/50. I got very lucky and won him after another 20 pulls, but after the fog cleared, I told myself I'd never let the game manipulate me like that again. It's how they get people to buy crystals, which are exorbitantly expensive. I'm currently sitting on about 60k primos, primarily from completing all of Sumeru's content. I'm waiting for characters to appear I'm absolutely sure I want, whether for meta or character reasons, or perhaps some mix of both.
My answer is simple: Learn to be satisfied with what you got. The pace of the game is very stable, so is so easy to plan ahead, that if I want a char, I get this char.
I agree with that mindset! It's way less stressful too because you don't constantly run out of materials when building so many characters. I want to build all characters eventually but don't think I will be able to with how many they release that I will want!
Why isn't every reasonable person's response to FOMO just not to tolerate it? Seriously, why even play a game that you know is trying to manipulate you and only respects you for how much money you can generate for it? Why not put your momentary enjoyment aside for a better product and greater enjoyment in the future? No one who hates greed and manipulation should be playing Genshin Impact or any gacha games.
@@Swagbastian why? The game is awesome, and so are other gacha games. I don't understand why so much problem with them. Is easy to just control your own wallet.
Good points. Eula is the new Kazuha. His first rerun happened after more than a year. I’d argue that standard banner character are almost worse because you can never ensure them. Like four stars, there’s no real pity to hit. Just a chance. Even less as they keep adding characters. Plus you can end up with a weapon. For over two years I’ve suffered an endless tirade of Keqings and Qiqis, whom I never use, but not a single Diluc con. So I wanted to make sure I get Tighnari and wished on his only limited banner. (No regrets, even if happily he’s now already C2.) I’ve never cared much for Eula and her banners continue to be skips for me but I hope all of you who wait for her finally get her :)
Similar, yet opposite. Playing since 1.1 and have Keqing at C3 (the C1 being a spent limited 5* guarantee on her own banner lol), but I have C6+ Diluc I never use 😅 I know her cons aren't really much to write home about, but I would really like to have some kind of a guarantee to C6 my favorite character in the entire game. At this point, I'll sooner have R5 Mist than C6 Keqing if things stay the same (R2 Mist currently and it's not even like I pulled that much on the weapon banner, just got pretty lucky both times).
@@luisestevan3272 You mean Kaeya, Lisa and Amber plus other older 4stars. Yeah, thankfully the starglitter shop is there :) My wording might have been weird, I tried to say that like limited banner four stars, with the standard banner five stars you never have a guaranteed. There’s a pool of characters and weapons and it’s RNG which one you get every time.
So while obviously Hoyoverse has strongly instilled FOMO into their games, I also think the push of the FOMO has another unintended side effect. While their goal is to get you playing everyday to keep you addicted, when you miss a day, it can push people to miss a week, a month, and then just not come back. I actually played Honkai Star Rail, and the QoL changes were so drastic, that I decided I just didn't want to play Genshin. The dailies were quicker, the grinding was easier, etc. I had hit max Adventure Rank over a year ago and I just have this monotonous daily process that they made easier in their new game but haven't streamlined in their old one. And now Fontaine is coming out but I haven't play it for months and while I might like to go back and play it, the fact that I have missed so much makes me not want to.
True and this is something the creators of the game really don't understand. When people leave, they'll most likely leave for good. It's not smart to build game loyalty on a shaky foundation of psychological manipulation.
I’m a F2P and honestly Diluc was my 1st 5* . The only 5* that made me play genshin was Xiao, thank God I was so lucky man . I took a 4 months break , after logging in the featured banner was Xiao with 3 days left and only had 10 wishes with no pity. Guess what ? I got him in those 10 pulls. Since then I’ve been playing like crazy . I ended up spending on the battle pass twice. Genshin is a game where you play diligently after obtaining your fav character or stop playing after getting heartbroken. Now I’ve 7 * stars which are really good😮💨.
@@dryashesyep, fomo is baked into the game. if its not eula, it was kazuha. or hu tao. or whoever they're withholding next. or your favorite characters bis weapon that was only available in a timegated event.
Been waiting since november for Eula. That taught me to prepare a buffer (at least half a patch) before even attempting to pull on a limited banner. And I always wait for the livestream news before pulling on the second half of a banner. Now five 5*s later, I'm guaranteed for eula with more or less 80 pulls before her (supposed) banner ends.
The way I see it, delaying Eula's banner as much as possible is a way for Hoyoverse to make players, even those who didn't intend on pulling her originally, pull her after all because what if her banner never comes back? Physical is an undesirable element in the current meta, so if you don't like her design, there isn't that much of a reason to pull her... unless you fear that she won't be back for another year+, right? Even people who have her already might feel inclined to pull her weapon now...
i think Eula's situation is a mix of fomo, as well as hyv completely scamming physical damage as a whole. she may hold the record for the hardest single damage number, as well as has the highest bonuses, but that's because she has to in order to compete with the reaction based damage. and even then she requires more investment than anyone else to make it worth while. Physical doesn't have anything to support it besides one reaction and one support, it's only slightly worse than geo as an element. as a Razor main, and someone who eventually wants to get Eula, if only cause i like her character, it's painful to see. they're putting her off so much cause they know that she's barely anything compared to the characters that have come out recently, like Nahida or Al Haitham. they need that fomo factor for people to even consider pulling her over anyone else.
tbh the geo doomposting is baseless, a well invested mono-geo team is usually a very competent abyss option. recently its arguably better/more versatile than freeze cus of so many unfreezable enemies in abyss
@@karakuryn the issue is that's when it's the most viable. With exception of Zhongli, maybe Yun Jin and Albedo in special situatuons, there's not a spot for geo in anything other than mono-geo. Even as a proud Albedo main, I can't say I can put him in any team in spiral abyss outside of my Xiao team without making huge sacrifices in every way possible. The power in geo is strictly to geo, which is getting harder and harder to compete with the reaction heavy requirements with recent abyss cycles. I love geo as an element, and I don't think of crystallize as a horrible reaction as everyone makes it out to be, especially as someone who never runs shielders. It's just not as reasonable to go with mono-geo as it is vaporize, freeze, or literally any Dendro based comp unless you like and want to invest a lot of time and energy into ALL the characters required for the team comp. I know I don't care enough for Itto or Zhongli to even pull for them, let alone grind artifacts for them, meanwhile Gorou constellations avoid me like the plague. It's not doom posting, it's being realistic with the current game state. It's really difficult to make a team based on little to no elemental reactions work in a game that's entirely dependant on elemental reactions
@@StreamKArt again mono-geo is better than freeze in recent abysses and the numbers and dmg make up for no reactions if you build it right, it's a very competent option and has very good verticle investment returns. its biggest weakness is that its shield dmg is meh but it's enough to brute force in most cases. its a team you can slap into pretty much any abyss and it'll perform well enough to clear. playing geo in an elemental team just isnt the intended way to play and its been clear since gorou that hyv really wants geo to be self contained. so if you don't play it the intended way and it doesn't work out you can't really complain. could argue that geo not having any elemental synergy and only working on its own is a failure in the games design but from my perspective having an insular element as an alternative to reactions isn't a bad thing and gives more gameplay options to people who don't want to bother with reactions. "unga bunga" as you will. i do wish geo was more accessible though because as it stands its one of the most expensive teams to get going and theres not rly incentive to do so unless you really love the characters.. theres not really incentive to play anything but hyperbloom rn tho so Eh
@@karakuryn i agree that it's a compitant comp, but I'm concerned about how long that will last. Idk about you or your comp, but the ones I've seen are only able to really clear abyss cause they have at least a couple cons on five stars, or cracked ass artifacts. Even then most I've seen struggle. If people want to do something, they're gonna do what they can, I've seen people 36 star recent abyss cycles with Amber, people are determined. But, like you said, there's no incentive to play anything other than hyperbloom right now. To many people, it's too high investment compared to vape Hu Tao, melt Ganyu, etc. I just hope that mono-teams like mono geo and anemo are able to stick around, I like the unga bunga playstyle, lol
Just getting back into genshin after about 5 months away. Very rough. I missed all of the sumeru characters and power creep is very strong in this game in my opinion. After being away for so long I'm debating not even coming back at all. I started playing a week after release and played all the way up until the last act of inazuma so I did fall in love with the game. It's sad that FOMO destroys my willpower to come back.
Any game that has to manipulate you into continuing to play is bad. The creators of Genshin Impact don't respect you. I'd say if you really want to experience the game then just come back after the Teyvat Chapter is finished (if they ever finish it)(because it makes too much money for them to end it there).
The idea that you _have_ to get every limited 5-star character is wild to me. Do you even get to actually enjoy them if you already hop onto the next shiny char after just three weeks? And I don't like every character equally. I may love them for what they add to the lore, but ultimately, I only have so many slots on my team and I'm gonna fill them with my faves. Besides, it takes _so much_ investment to level up and gear up a single character that I got very cautious about pulling for new ones since by now I just know I will bench them unless I really, really click with their playstyle and personality. Oh, and Genshin gacha? You know _exactly_ your chances and can plan your savings, unlike many gachas I've seen with no hard pity or guarantee or carry-over.
My biggest beef with FOMO in Genshin is actually 2 things: • Cinnabar Spindle - unlike most other limited event weapons, it's legitimately a signature weapon for a character. I only have it on my main because I started playing shortly before the patch it was added. And what absolutely drives me mad is that THEY USED THIS WEAPON IN THE CHARACTER TRIAL LAST ALBEDO RERUN. Like, it's mildly infuriating. • Standard characters' additions - there's no guarantee you'll get a specific 5* character or weapon you want if it goes to standard and you didn't wish on their og banner (for characters like Tighnari, Dehya and 4.X character(s) to come). Like, at least add an Epitomised Path please? 😭 I still don't have Tighnari on my second main account where I skipped him and I haven't gotten a single constellation on my first main account. I hate it since I don't really care about building most older 5* standard characters: Mona is useful if I decide to build her eventually but I won't be happy to see her, Jean won't make me outright sad but I also neglected her for now, Tighnari and Dehya are the only ones whom I'll be happy to see (Fountaine 5* addition may join this "happy I lost to you" list) and I don't want to get more of the rest.
I stopped playing for a while came back to use my standard banner pulls since tighnari and dehya is now on there. Lol and what I got was my 5th jean copy. I quit again after that. Game still hates me. Maybe I’ll come back for Fontaine but I would have to do the whole desert storyline. Which is probably gonna take me forever to do.
All my Genshin Efforts went into f2p Eula. I’m so happy with this game just because of her. All other characters are great but Eula is different, complex and rewarding. She’s a very misunderstood character but I love it that way for some reason.
The game has become so stingy that "exploring" the map for a 2 gems chest making me feel like a beggar. Until I realize, you know what, fuck that. I ain't playing. Apparently a lot has caught up to that mentality lately.
WAHT? She's great, I have her as my only level 90, I quit right before Inazuma. She's great, her melee attacks hit like a truck and she can do crazy damage with her burst. The only reason she isn't as broken as other characters is because of Dendro buffing certain builds to hell and back, and the lack of support for physical style play. I have a feeling Eula is finally rerunning because they plan on having more physical damage support in Fontaine, as the only reason to not re-run Eula is for players to not feel scammed when rolling for her and finding out how little team building you can do with her. That being said, unlike other characters, she hard carries on her own, a lot of her best supports are also good on many other teams and she can be the focus of building and gearing while you lazily build everyone else. For example: If you have C1 Bennet, C6 Rosaria, and Zhongli, all you need to do is go Max HP with Zhongli, max Attack for Bennet, and energy recharge for Rosaria. This is because Rosaria, Bennet, and Zhongli make Eula perform really well and you don't have to buff them to do mountains of damage, you just need them to pass the damage buff to Eula. Meaning you can just focus on main stats for everyone else and then go hardcore on Eula's Artifacts. Eula's pretty convenient if you ask me.
Eula’s not terrible at C0, but unless you get her constellations she’s pretty mid. Her burst hits like a truck but it’s not frontloaded like Ayaka’s burst because of all the ramp up time needed, and if the enemy moves then the burst could miss. Or it could just not crit and you have to retry the chamber
@@strawberrymilk607 However, you forget her skill can hit like a fucking truck, right now when I have 2 stacks I can crit for 30K for each of the 2 explosions with ok relics and no buffs from other characters. You can also build elemental energy again while the ultimate is active. While it's true that the Ultimate's damage is backloaded, most significant challenges in the game will come from bosses that only have invulns to worry about. Extremely good for overworld too because she can straight delete mobs by herself without much or any help. While any other team I build requires me to rotate through the entire team with bursts and e skills.
@@Akantorz I know, I heckin love Sumeru and Dendro. EM Razor, Burgeon Thoma, Hyperbloom Raiden and Kuki. And my two new favorite balls of destruction, Nilou and Nahida, and can't forget Yaoyao and honorable mention to the beautiful Candace. And the soundtrack is top notch in Sumeru
I just came across this and found that you articulated the formula really well. I think gatcha players really need to understand the psychology behind their choices and what a company uses to drive their desires. I've been burnt by overspending in the past and wish i were wiser back then. Your stories are funny and resonate well, I'm quite sure that I would have done and thought the same few things. They are pretty insidious with FOMO, people really need to understand their tools and the behind it psychology to avoid it.
before Eula, HuTao suffered with a similar sittuation, she went for almost 400 days without showing in any banner. I skip her, but saw a friend wait all this time to get her and Homa. Ganyu too, from her first banner to her first rerun, took almost one year, I lost her in the first banner and waited for the rerun, while waiting got four different 5* characters. Eula keeps adding days to the next rerun, but the long waits always happened for some characters.
I think the best way to not fall into a vicious fomo cycle is to REALLY think about which characters you actually want. If there's one whose story, character and playstyle you enjoy, try to get them! Nothing wrong with that. But if you just want a character cuz the meta says they're good, but you're not all that passionate about them, then it's better to wait imo. And generally, it's better not to pay for them, the regret could be immense if you get burnt out. Though I have to say, that all of this is easier said than done, I'm lucky cuz the meta doesn't mean anything to me, I go for characters whose designs are good and personality I like. It's best to play for fun and keep it as casual as you can, I've been playing for 2-3 years, I'm at that point where all characters I really wanted have been released and with Baizhu as my last wished character, I managed to get all of them, so no gacha pressure for me until Fontaine comes out.
I loved the video; it did a very good job of showing the predatory nature of the game's wishing system. The only thing I'd like to add onto it is how you can escape the grasp of it. The thing is that Genshin's producers seemed to really aim at the things the majority of people struggle with, not just in game, but in real life: The ability (or rather, inability) to prioritize, focus on priorities, committing to goals, self-restraint, planning ahead and managing resources. We cannot expect the game to change. Small improvements can be made (such as the more F2P friendly changes in Star Rail, though I think it's necessary in that game based on the closed nature of the combat compared to Genshin), but free to play games will NEVER be truly F2P friendly. At the end of the day business is business, and they'll want to profit on what they put out there, so they'll try to get you to spend money with all their might. That means the only way is to find the solution in yourself. Because it doesn't matter how predatory a system is, if they cannot prey upon you, then they won't get you to do what they want (and what you don't want). This is where the earlier qualities come in: Ability to prioritize, focus on priorities, committing to goals, resisting temptations, planning ahead and managing resources. If you struggle because of the wishing, there's a chance you're not very good at at least one of these qualities, possibly more. If you can improve upon that, then you'll likely have a better time in the future. It isn't just video-game related either. In my experience, the people who have trouble managing resources (money, time) in a game have trouble with it in real-life too, and the same goes for the others as well. So if you manage to develop those qualities, they'll pay out in real life too, especially long-term. Practicing them in-game is actually a good way to prepare yourself for situations later on in life. Bad outcomes might be disappointing, but not getting a character is still a thousand times better than worrying about whether you'll be able to afford eating properly until your next paycheck, or having to fear eviction because you couldn't manage your money. Bad habits usually don't go away just because you become and adult or get a promotion; the financial freedom might just make them worse. Whatever quality you struggle with, whether that's practicing self-restraint or planning ahead, expect them to be a similarly big problem later on in life (unless you do something to make it better). In essence: If you're struggling with the wishing, take that as a sign that there's still room for improvement. That's a perfectly normal thing, nobody is perfect, but that doesn't mean you can't try to improve yourself - especially if you're REALLY struggling and it's affecting you badly. Try to use this opportunity to grow as a person, and measure your progress in the game, where it's still safe to make mistakes. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
To me a game that allow players to get in average 85% of the characters for free, most of them being very usable in the whole game, not that sea of 3 star level bs, almost no powercreep, making pull for new characters a choice, not a must, can cleary be called f2p friendly. Their only problem is if you start late and want every single thing in the game.
Thats why when I started playing Genshin cause of Ganyu and I learned that she gonna be avalaible in next month I literally set a plan of what I gonna do. Not only I progressed so much trough game (trough month I finished Inazuma) but, also I was AR 40 meaning that Ganyu could be leveled to level 80. So basically trough month I manged my time and things I wanna focus one meaning that I ended up with 14400 primo gems (90 wishes) + 20 wishes from ingame content and also materials that were needed to progres Ganyu to Level 90! Also As a backup I check how much money I can spend if something wont go right. But at the end of the day I pulled her in just 30 wishes. the only complain I have to my self is how I decided to pull her bow that end up Eating 210-220 wishes which needed me to pay (cause I went with he flow and falese illusion of luck after pulling Ganyu just in 30 wishes, but I learn my lesson). Yet I don't regret it since I was prepared for this and now I'm doing everything to know way faster which chr., that I am interested in, gonna appear so I can prepare for them
Yes, we can expect the game to change and yes, we can expect F2P games to be truly F2P friendly. There are plenty that already are. Yours and others' tolerance of predatory business practices encourages the continuation and adoption of those same practices. Giving any predatory product a positive metric helps the company market it to other consumers, creating the potential for more people to fall victim.
amazing, loved this essay, i'm lucky that my baby girl is venti & i already have all my other baby girls so i'm just collecting for fun at this point loved this essay 10/10 thanks for the good watch :) if it means anything i watched all the ads through & didn't skip, enjoy that adsense to re-make what you lost on yoi
Same, sometimes I go back to play my Eula team whenever I feel like going ham with physical instead of using the elements. For some reason it feels a lot better hitting ridiculously hard with physical damage, even though it unfortunately isn't as good.
Being able to put the game down when you want is a strength in itself. Sometimes you need to remind yourself that GI is just a game, one that you should be having fun in, and not stressing out over
@@Swagbastian you could say that to any online game that has any ranking in it, and the game still have a huge playerbase. But i would say it deppens on what kind of gameplay you´re looking for
This is how I deal with "Fomo". New character comes out i don't summon... Why? Cause they'll get a rerun eventually and with the time between reruns I'll have saved up primogems to get the character. I've done that with every character so far and it works for me. I have all the characters except Al haitham and Wanderer but since Al is back I have enough primogems to get him and wanderer whenever they do comeback. The thing thats been eating away at my money however are those damn weapons lol. My general rule of the weapon banner is that in order for me to summon on it both 5 star weapons have to be something I wouldn't mind getting personally. I make a note of how many primos I have for characters and I separate between weapon banner and character banner. Most my money nowadays is for weapons.
Another stellar video! Eula is my favorite character in the game, and also my main. I hope when she rolls back around she comes home quickly for you! I'm hoping to snag her weapon next time around lol. Didn't realize you had a Twitch, the entire time watching this I was thinking to myself that I would totally love to watch you stream (any game really, your voice is soothing and your thoughts resonate a lot with me). Definitely gonna be on the lookout for future streams when they happen! Best Wishes! 💙
12:40 I mean, you just described every gacha in existence here… Either you stay f2p but you have to make choices, or you pay money for a chance to get more characters or equipment. That’s the basic prinicple of gacha games. The 50/50 system Genshin introduced is incredibly shitty though, and it depresses me to see that other devs are starting to use it (looking at you, Wuthering Waves…) The irony is that the main reason I took a break on Genshin in the past month… was to play Honkai Star Rail. I don’t know how Mihoyo expects players to juggle those two games (plus Honkai Impact) simultaneously honestly. But I also realized playing Genshin was infinitely more pleasant if I just ignored the gacha and focused on quests and exploration at my own pace. There’s really no point in grinding or following the meta in this game.
I'm watching the video and raising my eyebrows about how much of this psychological manipulation I am immune to because to me everything is reduced to "Tier whoring". The moment I saw Eula Lawrence I was compelled by her kit and then learned that she's an EXTREMELY niche character that's limited to very few comps with extremely specific conditions (such as having Kazuha in or C6 Diona) And then I checked out because I am a lazy fuck. Yeah, sure, I am a fucking tier whore but that's keeping me from having to spend four figures into a damn banner so who is laughing now?
Um... she doesn't want either Kaz (doesn't benefit much from VV, EM, or his DMG buff) or C6 Diona (again, EM is pretty much worthless for her). She is niche, but mostly because physical damage has huge drawbacks. That VV doesn't help means the strong groupers benefit the team a lot less. Shields need elements to break them, but phys teams tend to be limited in the elements they run, plus phys itself sucks at shield breaking. And, of course, there's robots, meaning high phys resists is something pretty commonly encountered, at least in the Abyss (though, honestly, the robot resists tend to be less of an issue, because of phys resist debuffs, plus wanting other damage types for the shield issue).
@@Axterix13 I meant more so in terms of worthwhile damage against groups my guy. If it's a team tailored to her she's much worse and also the niche stuff becomes more prominent. I sure do hope that her rerun flops because people are deluding themselves into thinking she's good right now.
Genshin made me want to buy a gaming laptop and sell my PC because of this FOMO thingy. I know there's mobile version, but it has storage problem in the future because Genshin is getting bigger each new update. Also did they cancel Genshin on Switch??? They waste money on that trailer lol
I don't often like videos about Genshin, but as a veteran player, i think you did one of the best job explaining things in general. The weapon banner is the biggest waste of money a player can do , unless its a whale. I was able with a lot of struggle.. to 36star this last abyss which is absurdly hard. and i have ZERO banner weapon. i honestly never pulled in that banner since the game started. Of course pulling there its ok if you don't like to put effort in the game, as having the character weapon raise that char damage by a lot. But as said in the video, you can totally avoid it and still do ALL the game content.
You mentioned Kaveh and his personality briefly in the video and it reminded me of my own gacha struggles lol. I love Kaveh and he is my favorite character, however, I am F2P and have terrible luck. I saved up 20 pulls for Kaveh before the banner, assuming that I would get him quickly but I was wrong. I had to play for hours and hours to get enough wishes for Kaveh (which ended up being around 50 more pulls). Although I never spent money, the amount of time I spent in Genshin is still good for Hoyoverse. I'm also pulling for Alhaitham now because I want to get Kaveh's roommate because of my Kaveh loyalty haha. Hoyoverse really does have an excellent way of getting players hooked on the gacha (even if it's not great for us). This video was great and I just subbed btw :)
I relate to him way too much, like I would probably succeed more in life by being more ruthless, but i'm just normally not that guy. I know the whole "nice guy" thing is a meme at least when it comes to dating, but there are people who want to generally be more of a savage or heartless, but when an opportunity presents itself: they help people instead (potentially to their detriment). It's even worse since a lot of the richest / most successful people are very much NOT like that, and in fact, are opportunists who might betray anyone to get ahead and get rewarded for it.
@@hidarling641 I also relate to Kaveh perhaps a bit too much! He's my favorite because I see so much of myself in him haha. Kaveh is such a well written and relatable character
As I played Genshin from the start i now gladly can say I don’t have that attachment to getting everyone i just for for the characters i want when i want then i look for leaks then what i saved use it to get em even if there’s next archon or whatever I don’t care heck i go for 4 stars if i want them . My only focus now is to get hydro archon then I’ll just keep saving for whatever characters that is fun different gameplay or even take rest tbh
Here's another anecdote to add to the pile here; One of my friends has been obsessed with kirara since she was announced. However, she doesn't play the game that frequently and hadn't saved up a mountain of primos for her. She still had a decent amount to pull from, but did not pull kirara. I decided to give her 50 bucks to spend on genesis crystals so she could get kirara. Even with all of the pulls from 50 dollars, she STILL did not pull kirara. Being a huge fan of a 4 star can sometimes be worse because there is never a guarantee that you will pull the one you want. You still do the regular 50/50 for featured/regular, but you also have to contend with an inescapable 1/3 chance to get the 4 star you want when you hit one of the featured 4 stars, and the more frequent 4 star rates can't always help you with that.
Eula is… funny to me. I pulled for albedo and had 1 ten pull left after I got him, so I went „fuck it, one 10 pull for eula!“ and got her… I‘m a husbando collector first and foremost… xD But seeing how she gets treated, I‘m not lying when I say I‘m glad I snatched her anyways!
I love combat in open world. Using Eula to beat down fatui agents is fun. So glad ive been playing since 1.0 and ive always known that this game will be worth the 100 dollars ive spent (making sure not to spend more because its a game and i shouldnt spend more than what i would spend in one go on any other game🙃) im lucky to have had the time to not miss more that a day or two these past 2+ years. im a little sad how often i need to skip characters just to make sure i can get the others i want... Buuut the way to get around the character issues is to just run a second account and pull for the characters you dont get on your main 🤡 easy
mhy actually makes some crazy gacha games. like, seriously, they're the only gachas i've consistently spent money on. although that might not be saying much, since outside of hoyo gachas i only still play around 4 (bandori[casually now, but was my obsession of 2+ years until around 3 years back] And for playing daily i have blue archive[favourite], alchemy stars and nu carnival) and out of those 4 i've only spent money on two (bandori twice for the stars box, alchemy stars once for a hiiro skin) but with mhy? tears of themis, genshin, and now even hsr. i have the monthly for all 3, and it's all just to save for upcoming characters/cards in case they release another one i really like. that is to say: mhy is really good at getting people to spend money. whether or not it's just the monthly pass also: don't try pulling every character. for your own sanity's sake. i'm sure almost everyone knows this by now though. save your primos! never think "oh my pity is low, so this won't affect anything" ESPECIALLY if it's a banner of a 5* you dislike! the number of times i've seen people complain about getting a limited 5* they dislike as if they didn't decide to pull on that banner drives me nuts! don't do random pulls outta nowhere then fucking complain about it!
20:38 i feel that exactly. sometimes i panic and spend an insane amount of money over a short period of time and after that, i feel empty. it was the same for hu tao's first banner where i needed a good pyro applier, then again on yelan's first banner, on albedo's rerun... i stopped now and haven't payed anything in a good while, i even stopped playing already, but this feeling after a "spending spree" that maybe it wasn't worth it. yea, i know that all too well. i am finanically well off, so this was alright for me, but you can easily slip into harmfull behaviour
this is a really well made video! i was shocked when i realized you don't have more subs. this video just popped up in my recommended feed! i agree with a lot of your points, especially when you mentioned how we're drip fed information- i think thats one of my biggest gripes with genshins gacha system. the rates are terrible too, but at least the 50/50 and guarantee system alleviates that a bit. however, the lack of any sort of "banner roadmap" makes saving as f2p incredibly hard. genshin is all about resource management, and that extends to your primos too. so only knowing the banners a few weeks in advance makes things very difficult. i don't WANT to have to rely on sus leaks of banners, but mihoyo kind of forces me to. if i didn't, i probably would've dumped all my primos on nahida and missed kazuha's upcoming banner
A year later and new characters come and go without me feeling like I'm missing anything because now they're all designed to be C2R1 or skip and they're increasingly covering previously-covered ground, making skipping increasingly easy.
I think I'm currently experiencing burnout for genshin. Though I am playing honkai star rail, rn I'm so tired that I may delete it. I don't have the mental and emotional strength (as a f2p) to invest the same amount of time into hsr that I've put into genshin. I'm hoping and wishing I will manage to get kazuha on his upcoming re-run, otherwise it feels like i'm close to quitting genshin. or taking a long break. but I'm too anxious to do that without peace of mind.
Absolutely true that you pay this game with your time. But let's say you DO enjoy playing it (farming, abyss, exploration), and you dedicate a healthy amount of time to gaming, as opposed to playing 24/7, this game's experience is not only free but quite fair in terms of how much time you have to dedicate to it. I've spent two years playing Genshin F2P and I've got all of the characters I wanted. Needless to say, you shouldn't 'want to get' every character in the game. Just focus on getting the ones you want the most and focus on builing the ones you get from the get-go, as they are usually neglected for the community for some reason, when they can be extremely useful.
The two things that annoyed me most about Genshin is 1. The fact that the archons are limited event runs, despite being main story characters. I wish they’d done what other games did and just made them another rarity higher, eg. Cookie Run Kingdom- insanely low drop rate, but still obtainable, making it still worth pulling on their highlighted banners. The second thing is the important lore being event limited. So many people I know LOVE Albedo, but to me, he seemed incredibly bland- I later discovered it’s because he had MULTIPLE lore events filling him out as a character which I will never see, because they don’t do reruns. Why!!! Why don’t they rerun events!! They constantly add new mechanics and lore only to never bring them back, and it drives me CRAZY. oh, except the prop hunt multiplayer minigame which is too hard to play with random strangers because everyone got too damn good at it for it to be fair for beginners :’))
Ive had my fare Gacha games especially games under Hoyo. I've played since GGZ. My mindset to their games is I approach the game very casually, treat it as if it's a singleplayer game which helps me on not spending much, and learn to play with I have. I've come from mmos which has pay to win models and spent much on there and much much more predatory Gacha and very bad Gacha games, I've also had my fair share of playing competitively in video games, tabletop, tcgs and other hobbies. Especially with tcgs which require you to really shell out money to come out on top. For me, Genshin and to some extent, Honkai Star Rail and Honkai Impact 3rd, is a 'pay to simp' gacha game.
Yeah I don't know how much longer I'll play this game. A lot of aspects are fun, but the gatcha spoils it so much. I might have been okay handing over some money but it's basically $200 to get a 5star character you want, and that's not even looking into getting C6. Each pull costs a bit less than 2.50USD and the game doesn't reward much for buying in bulk. And I think about how there is no ultimate reward for this game: the game runs on this predatory scheme and if the money dries up there will never be a non-gatcha Genshin Impact to play. They'll shut down the servers and all your collected characters will disappear into the abyss.
I started playing during Eula’s last banner and only realized after she was gone what wishing was and that I wanted her. I thought it would be a couple months and she would be back last summer, boy was I wrong. After I got Kokomi I started saving for Eula in 3.0 with no primos. I somehow got cyno at 5 pity trying to get a Candace and then got nahida in 1 ten pull. I pulled for Alhaitham and Yelan because I had over 250+ wishes and luckily won both 50/50s (I lost my first 4 50/50s and then won these 4 so don’t think I’m too lucky lol) but that luck meant I could still wish for yoimiya and still have 300 wishes for Eula and I’m hoping she doesn’t try to dodge me. As long as I win either Eula or zhongli 50/50 I might be okay for focalors
So. I am someone who in the first 2 years of the game spent $10k. It was a process. Around the time of Shenhe's banner i dropped to BP and Monthly Card. I worked a terrible job where i made $14 an hour. Minimum wage, and with that money could have bought a car, or a better PC. In Canada, that amount is nothing and i made a goal to get every character and cared less about the weapon. Well, one day, I stopped buying into each character because i lost control rolling for a C6 of a 4* which is hell and ended up with a C3 Hu Tao. My account is stacked. Several 5* weapons and 2 C6 5*'s, being Keqing and QiQi. The verdict? I didn't regret spending any of that money at the time that i enjoyed Genshin, but now i'm at the point where i wish i never spent a dollar on the game. The game is a boring visual novel with nothing burger dialogue that is the equivalent to the sound of a cheese grater on a chalk board. It is monotonous. I hate Genshin because i loved it to the point where i noticed it's glaring issue's too late. I'm at the point now where i just log in, do dailies, skip BP and im waiting for the monthly card to run out so i can take a good 6 month break. I stopped doing the events this patch, and it feels nice. I thought getting C1 Al Haitham would make me get back into the game but no. I did a 10 pull and for the first time in about 3 years i got a double 5* roll and that still didnt make me enjoy the game.
I liked Baizhu a lot since I first saw him. With the release of sumeru & the dendro element I was hoping he would get a banner soon, so I saved. And saved more.. and even more... In the end I skipped nearly every sumeru banner. It brought me a C2 Baizhu + signature weapon with no real world money spent, but it means I missed out on lots of characters that were really important for the new game play mechanics. I struggle finding teams for spiral abyss & new challenges since I don't really have many five stars due to my "save for those you really want" approach. No matter what you do, you just can't win.
nothing will decimate me more than spending money to get kaveh only to get ganyu, baizhu, c6 candace, c2 fischl, and no kaveh 💀 i bought the full BP for the kaveh and alhaitham couch and i spent like $30 to get alhaitham's sword (which took me losing my 50/50 2 times) and finally got the sword at 20 pity. i have spend alreadt probably over $100 and i will never do this again (im delusional and i probably will lmao) not only am i just ashamed that i spent money on a game about pixels, but i just really like the characters and really like the lore and story. i dont have a problem with liking things for a long time, so i genuinely dont see myself stop playing genshin until we get to the very end. i watched ouran high school host club in like 2012 and i still watch it every year, same with fruits basket, assassination classroom, haikyuu, etc. i've spent the past decade like this so i really mean it that when i like a series i don't let it go for a long time unfortunately
I play pretty reliably but still haven't explored much of Sumeru. I can't say I don't enjoy the game but keeping up with leveling characters and doing events, I so rarely feel up to just wandering and finding things the way I did early game.
A little off-topic from Genshin, but I play 3rd impact & Star rail & for the longest time in 3rd impact I was able to get most version characters (I skipped a lot of characters & the game will sometimes just give away the character for "free"), but when I started Star rail that's where I learned that it's pretty much impossible for a F2P player (least for me) to get every new banner character (for both games) & there's nothing wrong with missing out on characters. Star rail hasn't gotten reruns yet (it won't be any time soon I believe) but 3rd impact has rerun often.
Your whole video is invalid as you're a collector and mini whale. The whole experience is vastly different than 95% players but I have to thank you as you keep the game profitable.
As Genshin's character roster continues to grow they'll have to start putting out three 5-star banners at a time, or perhaps alternate between two and three banners at a time, otherwise the 'Eula Problem' will only get worse... but on that note, would the weapon banner then also offer three signature weapons? Wouldn't that screw up it's own 50/50 system? We'll have to wait and see.
Counterpoint to this entire video. I understand all the nuances and caveats of the situation. I am a financial analyst by trade. But this banner, so far, has been the worst (bottom 3) banner hoyo has ever had for genshin. Seems they haven't perfected anything yet.
The best way to play genshin is to just fall in love with every character. Sooner or later you'll get them all, so just roll on all banners that have a char that you're missing and enjoy them all equally. That's what I've been doing for 3 years now and I love the game.
i know i got rec'd this video bc i'm waiting for eula, but i'm not sure why i'm watching the whole thing bc i'm a fully soul dead genshin player.. pain. but you're nice to listen to!
For Eula, I think she has a particular set of circumstances that combine to make her less common. The first is that her sales aren't great. And, while, as a Eula/Dehya main, it pains me to say it, that's because she's not very effective. Physical damage has problems, and Hoyoverse doesn't care about fixing the various problems Genshin has. And nope, Mika doesn't address those issues. He actually helps make them worse, since he's very bad at breaking shields, which are a big issue for physical damage. He's not a good Eula support. This lower sales due to lower effectiveness is compounded by how many times the character has been re-run before. Unless a character is top tier META, you have the initial banner and the first re-run. After that, most players that want the character will likely have them. Newer players will have a ton of interesting characters to pick from, and many of them will be either more hyped (due to being new) and/or more effective. The upcoming Eula+Klee banner is going to be one of Genshin's worst sellers, because both characters have game play issues and have been re-run before. So, low sales, and therefore, less incentive for Hoyoverse to re-run her. This time, there's an added factor, though. Genshin pushes story tie-ins over all else. And this relates to Eula. I think she was meant to re-run in place of Ayaka's most recent re-run, in that banner where Mika launched. He's designed like a character someone who looks at Eula's kit, but doesn't actually use her in game, would think she'd want. And it makes sense to run her on the same banner, so they build hype for each other. But at some point, Hoyoverse made a decision... to use her in this year's summer zone. And because she is a poor seller, there was no way they were going to re-run her 2x in a relatively short time frame. So she got replaced with Ayaka and pushed all the way back to 3.8. A double edged sword for Eula lovers. We get more of her in game (yay!) but her banner has been pushed back by months (boo!). I do think Genshin wants to re-run characters often enough. That's why we got the double banner system. Too many five stars for them to re-run often enough with just one. But often enough does not mean often, either. There's a reason when, after the double banner system first started, we had a single banner one in there. They probably want to re-run characters at about six months for the first, and before a year for any subsequent ones. And now we've reached a point where two banners isn't enough anymore. So now Hoyoverse has to make choices. Do they do more of what they did with Tiggy and Dehya, and make characters they'll add to the standard banner? That pretty much precludes re-runs. Do they want to have still more banners running at once (and a third character one would mean a second weapon banner as well). Do they just re-run less popular characters less often? But that can mean a year+ between re-runs, and that time will continue to increase. Or do they institute some new system, like a single banner that lets you pick from a pool of five stars, meaning they can bunch up all the poor sellers into a single banner, boosting sales for said banner, while shortening re-run times. That would require them to do actual work to improve Genshin, though, rather than spending that time on trying to cram the TCG down our throats.
As far as world gathered items go, there really isn't much of a time crunch for them. While just playing, you pick them up when you see them, and so when a character comes out, you have them. And if you didn't do that for some reason, you don't need a friend's world. Just join random worlds and ask. It is really only a pain at the launch of a new area (as in an X.0 patch), when lots of people are likely to be after the new drop and/or exploring the new area and snagging every new thing they see), while the game is also likely to have a higher quantity of new characters needing said drop. I think probably the biggest FOMO factor, besides time between banners, is event weapons. For a whale, they typically aren't very useful, with the exception of the Cinnabar Spindle, which is a bit of an edge case, as Albedo lacks a five star signature weapon. But for a F2P, these four stars greatly expand weapon variety, are easy to R5, and cheaper to raise. They could be better still (they're not crit stat weapons), but regardless, they are options. Soft pity is at 75 for non-weapon banners, by the way, not 70. You'll almost always get the 5 star between 75-80.
ik this is an old video but dude if you were saving for 500 days you would have enough primogems to wish for other characters and STILL have enough to get a guaranteed eula you didnt need to skip every character 💀
my fave thing about genshin is the story, the enviroment and the grinde of building characters so really unlike a lot of people I see online I don't mind the lack of endgame or the gacha. I play the way I play, listen to a podcast and do my dailies, and then either go through the story or logout
22:51 which sucks but I feel like its kinda impossible to put in a stable order, if they would try to put it in order the problem is you're probably sacrificing a lot of characters to rerun and the high chances of a new character per patch is making it feel impossible. Unless they decide to make it a 3-type character banner something like idk honkai impact 3rd (idk if its 3 banners per patch on honkai since I haven't been keeping up w/ honkai but I'm pretty sure its more than 2). Also great vid ! its a good reminder and warning to the new players who isn't familiar with genshin's rules
i have multiple accounts, which helps with the FOMO but doesnt help with the burnout, it makes it much worse. ive committed myself to getting eula and zhongli and only wishing on them until someone *really* piques my interest, likely the hydro archon. i ended up pulled ganyu on my alt account, not by accident but man i regret it. i was saving my guarantee for klee and now only now im hearing rumors about her rerun. i have enough accounts to pull characters for fun with no issues but when it comes to improving my accounts, i dont have that luxury
this video describes perfectly why i had to quit this game 2 years ago... i really did enjoy it but i'm the kind of person that can't go "halfway" on most things and this game abuses the hell out of you if you care about going all in. characters i can skip but missing limited story events and such was just too much for me. you really have to be able to just get what you want out of the game and let other things pass you by and i was not capable of doing that. game was just way too much of a mental burden for someone like myself.. my first and hopefully last gacha game.
the other day I arrived home from work at 00:30, and procedet to play genshin 'till 3 in the morning because due to starrail I haven't been playing and I did the whole TGC event in a day
Idk but if hoyo want to get some money from me, they are doing it wrong. I have not spend most of my wishes and now I have enough to guarantee Eula C1 or if I got lucky, C3. All without spending. Also, there are dedicated savers of Eula ready to c6 her fully f2p. To be fair, Eula mains even warn other people against wishing on her because of her power value.
While I don't play Genshin (my laptop isn't strong enough), I can already feel this with Star rail. From starting too late for Seele to pair her up with Bronya, to how getting multiple of characters is required to unlock parts of their kits, to how "weapons" best for them are in a separate gacha and how they never add to the standard pool more 5*. I sure am spoiled by my previous game, Arknights, respected the player more, from a pity of 40 pulls making getting characters usually pretty easy, to getting multiple of the same characters aren't required since the talent boosts are like a 5% increase to a existing talent (only exception is Bagpipe). Even every character other than limited (which all pop up in their perspective celebration time) is fair to get and there's even a guaranteed ticket for standard characters every half year for whales. Time to wait for Seele to come back.
Eula is going to make Hoyo so much money. For fear of never seeing her again, there's going to be a ton of people who will surely max constellation her when she's available again.
Yeah so the thing you're forgetting is getting a max constellation is VERY expensive, so unless the "ton of people" you're referring to are whales, then no, the majority of people who are pulling will probably just get one copy, and I'm willing to bet its only because of certain voluptuous reasons.
I enjoyed the commentary. Liked and subbed. I have been away from Genshin as a "full-time" player for around two years. I am incredibly far behind. I don't even know if it's worth catching up at this point, I am missing so many "meta" characters and all my old ones seem washed and so far from viable.
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If it's still your wish (heh) to see Eula on a banner again, then congrats!
Here's a simple one for you to consider, how far do you agree or disagree with my own personal opinion:
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4:44 The most infamous one is Albedo's Cinnabar Spindle. Since then, Albedo's bis weapon is forever gone. And that has caused an incredible fear on missing event weapons and their refinements.
im so mad i'll never be able to get dodoco tales ever again
This is the reason I quit. Why bother playing, If I can't get what I want?
CINNABAR SPINDLE IS AN EVENT WEAPON??? god i hate all limited time weapons because i cant get any of the ones before mailed flower and i keep seeing festering desire or toukabou shigure in builds
@@kitsune_gt It is, sadly. And Hoyo had the audacity to put it on Albedo in his trial on his last re-run. Knowing is imposible to get for new players.
Meanwhile me wanting the beeg feesh 😢
I'ma be real, I don't think it's as deep as any of this goes into. Eula strikes me as a flub on their end of game design. It's more likely they're 'embarrassed' by the state of physical and don't want to steer players towards it until either a rework to either her or physical outright. It probably wasn't a flub back when she first released, but when they truly got a good idea for what Dendro was going to be and started releasing for it, the name of the game is supports and reactions that use EM as a state. There's so many characters that synergize with this it's obscene.
Even characters are far back as Fischl get a direct buff. Between this and Cryo starting to fall off and Spiral Abyss sometimes downright punishing Cryo, even with Eula basically being zilch for application, if I was a company like Hoyo, yeah, I wouldn't want to sell Eula in her current state either. She sold well her first time, but they have the data to support that she probably won't now. They even have a whole element in Geo they're trying to forcefeed before Eula with things like Itto and Albedo reruns in the most weird spots. Geo characters are struggling themselves, and now it's up to them to sell a character that has almost zero reaction potential AND is based on a super niche stat?
Yeah, I wouldn't wanna rerun her now either, honestly. All it's going to take is any of the content creators saying 'oh she's a bad unit', which comparatively to current meta of the game on a fundamental level she is, for her banner to tank horribly.
They've been dropping the ball on any banners that aren't from Inuzuma or are an Archon for Sumeru. Dehya was horrible and still is a big issue, Alhaitham and Baizhu didn't do so well because there's a female bias because 'waifus'. Assuming she's dropping in 3.8, she's coming at the tail end of a region where people are going to want to save for the Hydro Archon as is.
Eula, logistically speaking, is in a genuinely bad spot on all fronts. The time they could have run her, she would have become Yoimiya 2.0, or always be on the tail end of a cycle. Since she came out physical, geo, and even Pyro have fallen off, with Pyro only really alive because Bennet and Xiangling with a bit of Hu Tao popularity, and Geo solely held up by Zhongli and Yun Jin to a lesser extent.
Realistically speaking, if your unit is not Anemo, Hydro, Dendro, or Electro, you genuinely take a hit in viability. Just as a whole. Then it starts to go down the list of Pyro, then Cryo, with Geo at the backend and Phys at the back of the bus entirely. Making a Phys team requires specific units, and Mika isn't even that good at the support of it either. Back when Eula released, this wasn't the case. In fact, Electro USED to be one of the worst elements in the game. Then it went super power creep with Raiden Shogun and a load of other introduced units, then Dendro came out and pushed Electro even further.
Anyways, to end this ramble, Eula not being out doesn't strike me as a FOMO art, it strikes me as Hoyo not wanting to release something that half works and won't do well. There's even Eula C6 players out there who will tell you that she isn't worth it anymore on principle. If anything, the only reason a Eula banner might do decently right now, and this is a big maybe, is her design as a character.
no like actually, i'm like 99% sure this is the reason why for the no banner streak. plus, a character can be extremely popular and not be meta (dehya…). eula is high investment, but 'waifu collectors' will pull and whale if they like her enough.
still though…if hoyo just revamp geo/phys, they can make bank lmao i still don't get why they’re delaying such an opportunity to further popularise fan favourites.
It's a combination of both. Remember nfts were popular among gullible people because of their artificial rarity
I stopped playing right around when Sumeru released because of burnout and I can't describe how much I felt like I've been missing after just returning to it a week ago. The meta skyrocketed (especially with dendro and what have you), I missed out on like 20 characters, 2 regions (well, 3 because Natlan is out too now), and the story experience (now I just avoid spoilers at all costs even though I'm into the game's lore so much). I also missed out on grinding and all which means I just feel left behind. I missed out on a bunch of exclusive weapons which is extra sucky because some are really good for characters I wanted to build. Not to mention I was also a low spender (BP + Welkin) since day one, so to stop playing for so long literally made me anxious to return to it again.
It was a do it right or don't at all type mindset, which really made it hard to return after 4.0. 'Since I already missed out on Sumeru, why bother with Fontaine? It's not like I can catch up at this rate. Even now with 5.0 out It still took me a week to convince myself that I want to return to the game 'just for the story and lore', only to now feel like I'm falling in all the same grindy traps all over again, but more on that later.
While trying to catch up with co-op achievments, I ran into this person who was probably a low spender that just had insane builds, but what caught my interest was his Arlecchino (which was an insane build too). I've seen the post Inazuma teaser with all the harbingers and I was super excited for her only to forget about the game, miss out. I started to save up because she's a meta character that will likely get rerun soon enough, and I've been speedrunning Sumeru's drawn out archon quest to get to Fontaine as fast as possible.
To be honest, even that is tiring, especially when I had 100% exploration on everything up to Sumeru (except chasm) and with how sheer biggly big Sumeru is I feel like I'm risking burnout again. Everyone is AR 60 while I'm still mid 58 and it kinda feels isolating. The past week I've legitimately had trouble sleeping because of stress about missing out on so much, even though I know I shouldn't feel like that about a predatory gacha game of all things.
This video really captured the nefarious mental tactics Hoyoverse uses to keep players invested in the game for as long as possible and explained it really well. I'm glad I stumbled upon this video.
Coincidentally, I mained Eula ever since she was released lmao.
commenting because I really like your content and want to help out!
I have stopped playing Genshin altogether because I have no time left to actually play the game (or at least the necessary amount of time needed to grind). Likewise, I made it a point to only roll in the game if I feel like rolling and accepted the fact that I will never get what I want unless I actually spend money in it.
I think this action actually saved me from gacha hell altogether...
The trick is to be desperate for your characters to come back that you save up and skip everything.... which is exactly what the gacha gods want. Skip more, which means you see more that you may want in the futute.... and the cycle repeats.
except... i only wanted 2 characters in total and im still waiting for the day hoyo pumps out another cool character i want
Me who only wants 5 characters in the game and ill get their supports later ig
Hmm? You only need 180 wishes you need to save and you can continue pulling anyone else
@@ocean7790 *160ish 180 pulls are such a stretch since noone has ever reached 90 pity
@@Strashky "None has ever reached 90 pity"
Damn I guess you never met me and the others.
as a klee main, i have been forever grateful in her steady and reliable habit of having one rerun every year for the summer. its something ive learned not to take for granted, bc im slowly trying to build her up to c6, and knowing i can pull every year and get her constellations is huge
Im literally in the same position
Same but with Xiao for Lantern rite it’s like clock work
Klee is blessed that she's Alice's child, always gets some fun every summer event. and even if not Alice will always come back for Monds events on some mysterious ways
i respect the dedication
I'll be honest, Klee is what got me into Genshin (cause she so cute) after seeing a friend play.
I started basically right after her banner ended, was disappointed but we knew some leaks about the next handful of 5*s and we figured there was a pattern to it, so, and this was the literal verbatim thought that went through my head "okay, so I won't have to wait for a year or something."
...Umm...
I think Eula has been on the back burner just due to the spot physical dmg is current in, in a game based around elements and their reactions, a physical dps carry isn't going to perform well. A Lot of the enemies in this game have high phys res, and the damage dealt can be inconsistent and fluctuates a lot depending on player skill, luck, enemy types, and content. She requires high investment, and a low investment hyperbloom team can clear the hardest content in the game just as easily as she can
hyperbloom can probably clear more easily
Hyperbloom is one of Eula's best teams. Fridge variant, of course. It fills in several of her weaknesses, while providing superconduct. So, yes, a low investment hyperbloom team can clear the hardest content as easily as she can, because she can be part of that team. If not for that, said hyperbloom team most likely clears it easier than she does.
I think they brought over Honkai's systems, but realized they gimped physical. In HI3, only physical units can crit and elements can't. Making element crit, physical is nothing special. Now, physical and geo (yellow physical) are basically inert.
@@Axterix13 yea but it's better to replace her with anyone else, she's just a fourth slot
Eula/physical and Geo both are in a dire need of rework to the point they might actually rework them to the point of supporting eachother... but that's just my wishful thinking
Mihoyo's greed is actually double-edged, since it becomes very easy to get off the hook if you manage to break a cycle. I got burnt out of Genshin after the 1st Eula banner and decided to take a break. After 2 weeks offline I came back and tried to calculate my losses. "60 gems per 14 days gonna get me... 5.25 debate clubs, lol". After one question came others: "Will I care about a story that gonna be stretched out for 10+ years?" "Why do I play the game where getting a new char feels like a punishment and not a reward?" "What's the point of grinding into endgame, if the content here is just a dps check?" After some time I had no remorse of leaving Genshin for good.
Same
I am saving for eula and genshin it's my de-stresser from work. I play more casually star risk but definitely I'm making wiser choices for SR than when i did genshin .
When a game stops being fun then there is no point of playing . Yet just try to make sure you pull for characters YOU want and not because it's hyped
Punishment part sound like when me getting dehya and build her and she suck ass hard.
Same, I even tried coming back before scaramouche got released but got bored because nothing has changed endgame content wise lol
This is exactly the point I am in right now. I actually tried getting back into it saying "if i get kazuha, I'll play more often again" and while yes, I did get him, the amount of effort needed to make him (or any new character in general) useable in the current late-game is just annoying that I just burnt out all over again lmao
I know that the odds say you're more likely to get a 4 star that you want in a set amount of pulls but the massive difference between 4 stars and 5 stars is that you can NEVER guarantee that you will get any one 4 star character by pulling so even if you get one copy in a different way you might never get their constellations. I honestly think that making a 4 star unviable or incomplete without constellations like faruzan or gorou is one of the more greedy/scummy things hoyo can do, especially considering those 2 are already dedicated support units. A lot of people who have C6 faruzan probably have a wanderer constellation like me
Nah, just a matter of time
@@pontoancoraPoint still stands
@@isoundout sure, but isn't that relevant to not have one char fpr a while when the game have 60+ characters.
I missed heizou 3 times because I have the 5 star on his banner. But I do t really care that much.
Same with Kuki, that I loved the char when they announced. I pulled 90 times for her, got Itto in the process, but she never came. No problem, I got her on Cynos banner, and now I have her c4, soon to be c6.
@@pontoancora How much do you have to play to get a C6 Faruzan since her last banner?
Do you know hoy much primos do you need to guarantee her?
How much time did u have to wait in order to get Heizou?
You missed him 3 times...
Was it just at C0?
At least he funtions fine at C0, right?
Aniway if their point of this being some greedy tactics from hoyo in order to push people to spend is "not relevant" then...
What are you defending here?
That people need to waste more of their lives in this game in order to just have a chance to maybe play what the want?
Thats what te company wants, your money or your time, and a lot of it
@@isoundout "How much do you have to play to get a C6 Faruzan since her last banner?"
idk, maybe 2 out of each banner, 3 banners in a year. But that can drastically change.
"Do you know hoy much primos do you need to guarantee her?"
Theres no garanteed, but as a 4 star, they came eventually. Just play the game and you will have EVERY SINGLE 4 star chars with c6. As i said before. Just a matter of time.
"greedy tactics from hoyo in order to push people to spend is "not relevant" then..."
Giving 85% of the characters for free? I dont call that greedy at all. I would be very satisfied with 50% or even 25%. The game have now 60+ characters, so we have way more than we need. Even new players get enough in a single year.
"That people need to waste more of their lives in this game in order to just have a chance to maybe play what the want?"
Its a game made to be played for years, so i dont think this is a good argument.
I dont waste my time, i play the game because its fun. If i play 1 year, good, if i play 2 years, great, if i play 10 years, even better.
As long its fun i play, so i cant understand the "waste" part of you comment. Im ALWAYS playing what i want.
This video should be mandatory learning material for every single new Genshin player, so they know what are they up to and can get ready for it. Seriously, you nailed everything.
I'm kinda similar case to you, buying Welkin and BP (never bought crystals though) and even playing on mobile during vacations - though I definitely don't feel guilty about that. I like the game and I think the entertainment it's giving me is well worth the money I spend on it.
Yes, accepting the fact that you won't get everything that's in the game is the most fundamental thing you need to do as a player unless you're willing to spend egregious amounts of money. The amount of primogems we're getting for free every month is worth about $100 in top-ups, and that means spending $100 on top-ups every month will get you only about twice of what you already get for free. That's a lot of money for playing a game in my opinion. Spending $100 per month is still not enough to get you every character and weapon in the game, even only at C1R1. You wouldn't spend that much money on other entertainment media, you don't want to spend that much money on a single game either.
Given how popular Genshin is and how other game companies are drawing inspiration from its success, I think the format is here to stay. And we need to get used to it. And that involves knowing what are we up to and learning strategies that will let us have the most fun without unnecessary regrets on spending more than we wanted to.
if you are that desparate. you really ought to be looking into just playing a game with no microtransations
I don't spend cuz it makes the world shittier
@@erwidobi7812an yet, you give the government your tax money too
@@erwidobi7812 I don't think there's anything wrong on paying for entertainment, or in general paying other people for doing something you enjoy. It's all about keeping the price reasonable.
resigning yourself to not fun mechanics just tells developers to make not fun games.. considering im from a time where developers were desperate to get players to engage by making the game fun (sega/nintendo) I have a hard time understand this. Why should a game be a job (and then demand your money)? Games that couldn't be fun were normally dropped, not played for compulsion sake. "..we need to get used to it" or you could just not play gatcha like a addict looking for the next fix...
Her banner sales will be really interresting, I personally dont think she will do well as at this point we have seen that meta relevancy does significantly impact banner sales. But maybe there really. Are enough people that really want her and have been eaiting, we'll see
My expectation is that her banner will be one of Genshin's worst ones ever. Her damage is end-loaded, which is less ideal. But more importantly, physical damage has a lot of issues, issues that Hoyoverse has not addressed. And this makes Eula a weak character. And there's Klee, who right from her launch was described as clunky, while her burst going away if she goes off-field limits her usefulness greatly. And we'll be getting close to Fontaine, potentially seeing some spoilers for that, and that'll pull people's interest to the future, rather than the past.
I love Eula. I've got two Eula shirts even. I find her fun to play. Love her personality. And I did what it took to make her work in most of my 36 star Abyss clears. Except the most recent ones, because it has finally gotten to the point where the issues a physical character has is just too much. It pains me to say it, she is not a good character to invest in from a power perspective. My on-field Dehya team (Dehya, Nahida, Kuki, and Fischl/Sucrose/whatever off-field element I need) clears the Abyss much easier.
Maybe the circumstances will not make my prediction accurate. It has been a long time since her last re-run. You can pretty much guarantee Mika will get his first re-run on her banner. He's not the support she wants or needs, but plenty of people who don't have Eula currently likely won't realize that. And she'll likely be featured prominently in the summer zone event, so her personality will be at the forefront. Vengeance!
if someone saved since her rerun i doubt theyll need to pay at all lol
@@rubenlara4029 ok fine with sales numbers I guess I meant total wish numbers, which is data hoyo obviously has access to, while we only hace sales data
It will be under average.
@@Axterix13 I agree that elemental reactions have the advantage, but Eula is by no means a weak character lol She was my main since her first banner all the way until Alhaitham's banner. If people used their brains and built her correctly, they would see huge numbers. My Eula does 20-25k each normal attack with a 4 star weapon, and don't get me started with her nuke ult. I clear content very easily with her and would still main her if Alhaitham wasn't my favorite character.
Hope she gets a rerun soon. So more people can appreciate her fun gameplay and great design.
In 3.8
They did such a clever move there. Look at the latest banners, especially since Hu Tao. Filled with meta chars that are borderline broken and chars/weapons that didn't have a rerun for quite a while. Of course Eula will get her rerun soon now that everyone has spent all of their wishes and there are not that many quests to do to fill up the primogems. And after she had her rerun there will be a new zone with completely new characters and even a new archon - and of course this will make you stay, even after-Eula.
Also I find it fascinating how they manage to give you the illusion of choice. No, you're not really chosing. They're simply manipulating you. The only real, down to earth choice you have from their point of view might actually be: To play or not to play.
Wonderful as always. Enjoy the long rambling and like how someone that doesn't even play genshin can watch the videos the same as a hardcore genshin player.
My response to FOMO is to be ultra patient, be willing to skip most banners, roll primarily on reruns(typically after a character has been fairly fleshed out by the meta), don't go out of my way for 4 stars, and basically play the long game. Somewhat early in my Genshin days, I came dreadfully close to losing Venti on one of the banners, and was kind of upset after losing 50/50. I got very lucky and won him after another 20 pulls, but after the fog cleared, I told myself I'd never let the game manipulate me like that again. It's how they get people to buy crystals, which are exorbitantly expensive. I'm currently sitting on about 60k primos, primarily from completing all of Sumeru's content. I'm waiting for characters to appear I'm absolutely sure I want, whether for meta or character reasons, or perhaps some mix of both.
My answer is simple:
Learn to be satisfied with what you got. The pace of the game is very stable, so is so easy to plan ahead, that if I want a char, I get this char.
I agree with that mindset! It's way less stressful too because you don't constantly run out of materials when building so many characters. I want to build all characters eventually but don't think I will be able to with how many they release that I will want!
Why isn't every reasonable person's response to FOMO just not to tolerate it? Seriously, why even play a game that you know is trying to manipulate you and only respects you for how much money you can generate for it? Why not put your momentary enjoyment aside for a better product and greater enjoyment in the future?
No one who hates greed and manipulation should be playing Genshin Impact or any gacha games.
@@churlygurl6140 actually we get more resources than new characters need.
Not to be surprise that me as a f2p have all my characters maxed.
@@Swagbastian why? The game is awesome, and so are other gacha games. I don't understand why so much problem with them. Is easy to just control your own wallet.
Good points.
Eula is the new Kazuha. His first rerun happened after more than a year.
I’d argue that standard banner character are almost worse because you can never ensure them. Like four stars, there’s no real pity to hit. Just a chance. Even less as they keep adding characters. Plus you can end up with a weapon.
For over two years I’ve suffered an endless tirade of Keqings and Qiqis, whom I never use, but not a single Diluc con.
So I wanted to make sure I get Tighnari and wished on his only limited banner. (No regrets, even if happily he’s now already C2.)
I’ve never cared much for Eula and her banners continue to be skips for me but I hope all of you who wait for her finally get her :)
You can ensure them if you don't piss away all your starglitter and if you play long enough.
Similar, yet opposite. Playing since 1.1 and have Keqing at C3 (the C1 being a spent limited 5* guarantee on her own banner lol), but I have C6+ Diluc I never use 😅
I know her cons aren't really much to write home about, but I would really like to have some kind of a guarantee to C6 my favorite character in the entire game.
At this point, I'll sooner have R5 Mist than C6 Keqing if things stay the same (R2 Mist currently and it's not even like I pulled that much on the weapon banner, just got pretty lucky both times).
@@luisestevan3272 You mean Kaeya, Lisa and Amber plus other older 4stars. Yeah, thankfully the starglitter shop is there :)
My wording might have been weird, I tried to say that like limited banner four stars, with the standard banner five stars you never have a guaranteed. There’s a pool of characters and weapons and it’s RNG which one you get every time.
The new Kazuha? im sorry physical is a dead element and Eula herself has a myriad of issues.
@@anheld8726 Heh, only compared the waiting time between banners, not their performance as units. Eula is definitely not Kazuha :)
So while obviously Hoyoverse has strongly instilled FOMO into their games, I also think the push of the FOMO has another unintended side effect. While their goal is to get you playing everyday to keep you addicted, when you miss a day, it can push people to miss a week, a month, and then just not come back. I actually played Honkai Star Rail, and the QoL changes were so drastic, that I decided I just didn't want to play Genshin. The dailies were quicker, the grinding was easier, etc. I had hit max Adventure Rank over a year ago and I just have this monotonous daily process that they made easier in their new game but haven't streamlined in their old one.
And now Fontaine is coming out but I haven't play it for months and while I might like to go back and play it, the fact that I have missed so much makes me not want to.
True and this is something the creators of the game really don't understand. When people leave, they'll most likely leave for good. It's not smart to build game loyalty on a shaky foundation of psychological manipulation.
I’m a F2P and honestly Diluc was my 1st 5* . The only 5* that made me play genshin was Xiao, thank God I was so lucky man . I took a 4 months break , after logging in the featured banner was Xiao with 3 days left and only had 10 wishes with no pity. Guess what ? I got him in those 10 pulls. Since then I’ve been playing like crazy . I ended up spending on the battle pass twice. Genshin is a game where you play diligently after obtaining your fav character or stop playing after getting heartbroken. Now I’ve 7 * stars which are really good😮💨.
He is right I've already started saving for the hydro archon and gods know when she'll be on a banner
Should be 4.1 or 4.2 for hydro archon
My trick is to focus only at one waifu at a time.
Husbando*
"Waifus" are mid as hell
@@Jev_the_fluorescent_shrimp 🏳️🌈✨
@@Jev_the_fluorescent_shrimp both are pretty great 😊
me not getting FOMO because i don't care about End User License Agreement
cool, it will happen with another character unless you absolutely don't care about any of the characters.
@@dryashesyep, fomo is baked into the game. if its not eula, it was kazuha. or hu tao. or whoever they're withholding next.
or your favorite characters bis weapon that was only available in a timegated event.
@@dryashesit won't happen if you just care for the chars you actually have.
Been waiting since november for Eula. That taught me to prepare a buffer (at least half a patch) before even attempting to pull on a limited banner. And I always wait for the livestream news before pulling on the second half of a banner. Now five 5*s later, I'm guaranteed for eula with more or less 80 pulls before her (supposed) banner ends.
Ah yes, the meta slaves vs the simps 😅
The way I see it, delaying Eula's banner as much as possible is a way for Hoyoverse to make players, even those who didn't intend on pulling her originally, pull her after all because what if her banner never comes back? Physical is an undesirable element in the current meta, so if you don't like her design, there isn't that much of a reason to pull her... unless you fear that she won't be back for another year+, right?
Even people who have her already might feel inclined to pull her weapon now...
i think Eula's situation is a mix of fomo, as well as hyv completely scamming physical damage as a whole. she may hold the record for the hardest single damage number, as well as has the highest bonuses, but that's because she has to in order to compete with the reaction based damage. and even then she requires more investment than anyone else to make it worth while. Physical doesn't have anything to support it besides one reaction and one support, it's only slightly worse than geo as an element. as a Razor main, and someone who eventually wants to get Eula, if only cause i like her character, it's painful to see. they're putting her off so much cause they know that she's barely anything compared to the characters that have come out recently, like Nahida or Al Haitham. they need that fomo factor for people to even consider pulling her over anyone else.
tbh the geo doomposting is baseless, a well invested mono-geo team is usually a very competent abyss option. recently its arguably better/more versatile than freeze cus of so many unfreezable enemies in abyss
@@karakuryn the issue is that's when it's the most viable. With exception of Zhongli, maybe Yun Jin and Albedo in special situatuons, there's not a spot for geo in anything other than mono-geo. Even as a proud Albedo main, I can't say I can put him in any team in spiral abyss outside of my Xiao team without making huge sacrifices in every way possible. The power in geo is strictly to geo, which is getting harder and harder to compete with the reaction heavy requirements with recent abyss cycles. I love geo as an element, and I don't think of crystallize as a horrible reaction as everyone makes it out to be, especially as someone who never runs shielders. It's just not as reasonable to go with mono-geo as it is vaporize, freeze, or literally any Dendro based comp unless you like and want to invest a lot of time and energy into ALL the characters required for the team comp. I know I don't care enough for Itto or Zhongli to even pull for them, let alone grind artifacts for them, meanwhile Gorou constellations avoid me like the plague. It's not doom posting, it's being realistic with the current game state. It's really difficult to make a team based on little to no elemental reactions work in a game that's entirely dependant on elemental reactions
@@StreamKArt again mono-geo is better than freeze in recent abysses and the numbers and dmg make up for no reactions if you build it right, it's a very competent option and has very good verticle investment returns. its biggest weakness is that its shield dmg is meh but it's enough to brute force in most cases. its a team you can slap into pretty much any abyss and it'll perform well enough to clear. playing geo in an elemental team just isnt the intended way to play and its been clear since gorou that hyv really wants geo to be self contained. so if you don't play it the intended way and it doesn't work out you can't really complain. could argue that geo not having any elemental synergy and only working on its own is a failure in the games design but from my perspective having an insular element as an alternative to reactions isn't a bad thing and gives more gameplay options to people who don't want to bother with reactions. "unga bunga" as you will. i do wish geo was more accessible though because as it stands its one of the most expensive teams to get going and theres not rly incentive to do so unless you really love the characters.. theres not really incentive to play anything but hyperbloom rn tho so Eh
@@karakuryn i agree that it's a compitant comp, but I'm concerned about how long that will last. Idk about you or your comp, but the ones I've seen are only able to really clear abyss cause they have at least a couple cons on five stars, or cracked ass artifacts. Even then most I've seen struggle. If people want to do something, they're gonna do what they can, I've seen people 36 star recent abyss cycles with Amber, people are determined. But, like you said, there's no incentive to play anything other than hyperbloom right now. To many people, it's too high investment compared to vape Hu Tao, melt Ganyu, etc. I just hope that mono-teams like mono geo and anemo are able to stick around, I like the unga bunga playstyle, lol
Just getting back into genshin after about 5 months away. Very rough. I missed all of the sumeru characters and power creep is very strong in this game in my opinion. After being away for so long I'm debating not even coming back at all. I started playing a week after release and played all the way up until the last act of inazuma so I did fall in love with the game. It's sad that FOMO destroys my willpower to come back.
Any game that has to manipulate you into continuing to play is bad. The creators of Genshin Impact don't respect you. I'd say if you really want to experience the game then just come back after the Teyvat Chapter is finished (if they ever finish it)(because it makes too much money for them to end it there).
The idea that you _have_ to get every limited 5-star character is wild to me. Do you even get to actually enjoy them if you already hop onto the next shiny char after just three weeks? And I don't like every character equally. I may love them for what they add to the lore, but ultimately, I only have so many slots on my team and I'm gonna fill them with my faves. Besides, it takes _so much_ investment to level up and gear up a single character that I got very cautious about pulling for new ones since by now I just know I will bench them unless I really, really click with their playstyle and personality. Oh, and Genshin gacha? You know _exactly_ your chances and can plan your savings, unlike many gachas I've seen with no hard pity or guarantee or carry-over.
Idc what people say, Genshin's gacha system is way less miserable than other games like Arknights.
My biggest beef with FOMO in Genshin is actually 2 things:
• Cinnabar Spindle - unlike most other limited event weapons, it's legitimately a signature weapon for a character. I only have it on my main because I started playing shortly before the patch it was added. And what absolutely drives me mad is that THEY USED THIS WEAPON IN THE CHARACTER TRIAL LAST ALBEDO RERUN. Like, it's mildly infuriating.
• Standard characters' additions - there's no guarantee you'll get a specific 5* character or weapon you want if it goes to standard and you didn't wish on their og banner (for characters like Tighnari, Dehya and 4.X character(s) to come). Like, at least add an Epitomised Path please? 😭 I still don't have Tighnari on my second main account where I skipped him and I haven't gotten a single constellation on my first main account. I hate it since I don't really care about building most older 5* standard characters: Mona is useful if I decide to build her eventually but I won't be happy to see her, Jean won't make me outright sad but I also neglected her for now, Tighnari and Dehya are the only ones whom I'll be happy to see (Fountaine 5* addition may join this "happy I lost to you" list) and I don't want to get more of the rest.
Funny thing that... there is an epitomized path in Honkai: Star Rail.
I stopped playing for a while came back to use my standard banner pulls since tighnari and dehya is now on there. Lol and what I got was my 5th jean copy. I quit again after that. Game still hates me. Maybe I’ll come back for Fontaine but I would have to do the whole desert storyline. Which is probably gonna take me forever to do.
Bruh... Feels like a spit on the face taking all the improvements we've been asking for and putting them in a brand new game
@@yagami-chan1059TRUE THO
All my Genshin Efforts went into f2p Eula. I’m so happy with this game just because of her. All other characters are great but Eula is different, complex and rewarding.
She’s a very misunderstood character but I love it that way for some reason.
The game has become so stingy that "exploring" the map for a 2 gems chest making me feel like a beggar. Until I realize, you know what, fuck that. I ain't playing. Apparently a lot has caught up to that mentality lately.
The problem started because you were exploring for currency. Try to explore because it's fun to explore.
I get that it's extreme FOMO. She is gorgeous. But as an actual playable unit, she's pretty terrible unless you whale I guess lol
WAHT? She's great, I have her as my only level 90, I quit right before Inazuma. She's great, her melee attacks hit like a truck and she can do crazy damage with her burst. The only reason she isn't as broken as other characters is because of Dendro buffing certain builds to hell and back, and the lack of support for physical style play. I have a feeling Eula is finally rerunning because they plan on having more physical damage support in Fontaine, as the only reason to not re-run Eula is for players to not feel scammed when rolling for her and finding out how little team building you can do with her.
That being said, unlike other characters, she hard carries on her own, a lot of her best supports are also good on many other teams and she can be the focus of building and gearing while you lazily build everyone else.
For example: If you have C1 Bennet, C6 Rosaria, and Zhongli, all you need to do is go Max HP with Zhongli, max Attack for Bennet, and energy recharge for Rosaria. This is because Rosaria, Bennet, and Zhongli make Eula perform really well and you don't have to buff them to do mountains of damage, you just need them to pass the damage buff to Eula. Meaning you can just focus on main stats for everyone else and then go hardcore on Eula's Artifacts.
Eula's pretty convenient if you ask me.
Terrible?? That's the first time I'm hearing someone say that about Eula. She bitch slaps everything even at C0 😭
Eula’s not terrible at C0, but unless you get her constellations she’s pretty mid. Her burst hits like a truck but it’s not frontloaded like Ayaka’s burst because of all the ramp up time needed, and if the enemy moves then the burst could miss. Or it could just not crit and you have to retry the chamber
@@strawberrymilk607 However, you forget her skill can hit like a fucking truck, right now when I have 2 stacks I can crit for 30K for each of the 2 explosions with ok relics and no buffs from other characters.
You can also build elemental energy again while the ultimate is active. While it's true that the Ultimate's damage is backloaded, most significant challenges in the game will come from bosses that only have invulns to worry about.
Extremely good for overworld too because she can straight delete mobs by herself without much or any help.
While any other team I build requires me to rotate through the entire team with bursts and e skills.
@@Akantorz I know, I heckin love Sumeru and Dendro. EM Razor, Burgeon Thoma, Hyperbloom Raiden and Kuki. And my two new favorite balls of destruction, Nilou and Nahida, and can't forget Yaoyao and honorable mention to the beautiful Candace. And the soundtrack is top notch in Sumeru
Wish I could pull Eula but Kazuha is on the way 😔
Make another account
@@Oly876 Its still annoying af, I want to olay her with my other crazy units 😭
Is Kazuha a hot anime girl? No... Then why is this even an issue?
@@Kriss_941 You are goddamn right...
@@bighat8794 the most important aspect of a Genshin team is what I like to call the Ara Ara factor
I just came across this and found that you articulated the formula really well. I think gatcha players really need to understand the psychology behind their choices and what a company uses to drive their desires. I've been burnt by overspending in the past and wish i were wiser back then.
Your stories are funny and resonate well, I'm quite sure that I would have done and thought the same few things. They are pretty insidious with FOMO, people really need to understand their tools and the behind it psychology to avoid it.
before Eula, HuTao suffered with a similar sittuation, she went for almost 400 days without showing in any banner. I skip her, but saw a friend wait all this time to get her and Homa. Ganyu too, from her first banner to her first rerun, took almost one year, I lost her in the first banner and waited for the rerun, while waiting got four different 5* characters. Eula keeps adding days to the next rerun, but the long waits always happened for some characters.
I think the best way to not fall into a vicious fomo cycle is to REALLY think about which characters you actually want. If there's one whose story, character and playstyle you enjoy, try to get them! Nothing wrong with that. But if you just want a character cuz the meta says they're good, but you're not all that passionate about them, then it's better to wait imo. And generally, it's better not to pay for them, the regret could be immense if you get burnt out.
Though I have to say, that all of this is easier said than done, I'm lucky cuz the meta doesn't mean anything to me, I go for characters whose designs are good and personality I like. It's best to play for fun and keep it as casual as you can, I've been playing for 2-3 years, I'm at that point where all characters I really wanted have been released and with Baizhu as my last wished character, I managed to get all of them, so no gacha pressure for me until Fontaine comes out.
I loved the video; it did a very good job of showing the predatory nature of the game's wishing system. The only thing I'd like to add onto it is how you can escape the grasp of it.
The thing is that Genshin's producers seemed to really aim at the things the majority of people struggle with, not just in game, but in real life: The ability (or rather, inability) to prioritize, focus on priorities, committing to goals, self-restraint, planning ahead and managing resources.
We cannot expect the game to change. Small improvements can be made (such as the more F2P friendly changes in Star Rail, though I think it's necessary in that game based on the closed nature of the combat compared to Genshin), but free to play games will NEVER be truly F2P friendly. At the end of the day business is business, and they'll want to profit on what they put out there, so they'll try to get you to spend money with all their might.
That means the only way is to find the solution in yourself. Because it doesn't matter how predatory a system is, if they cannot prey upon you, then they won't get you to do what they want (and what you don't want). This is where the earlier qualities come in:
Ability to prioritize, focus on priorities, committing to goals, resisting temptations, planning ahead and managing resources.
If you struggle because of the wishing, there's a chance you're not very good at at least one of these qualities, possibly more. If you can improve upon that, then you'll likely have a better time in the future. It isn't just video-game related either. In my experience, the people who have trouble managing resources (money, time) in a game have trouble with it in real-life too, and the same goes for the others as well. So if you manage to develop those qualities, they'll pay out in real life too, especially long-term.
Practicing them in-game is actually a good way to prepare yourself for situations later on in life. Bad outcomes might be disappointing, but not getting a character is still a thousand times better than worrying about whether you'll be able to afford eating properly until your next paycheck, or having to fear eviction because you couldn't manage your money.
Bad habits usually don't go away just because you become and adult or get a promotion; the financial freedom might just make them worse. Whatever quality you struggle with, whether that's practicing self-restraint or planning ahead, expect them to be a similarly big problem later on in life (unless you do something to make it better).
In essence: If you're struggling with the wishing, take that as a sign that there's still room for improvement. That's a perfectly normal thing, nobody is perfect, but that doesn't mean you can't try to improve yourself - especially if you're REALLY struggling and it's affecting you badly. Try to use this opportunity to grow as a person, and measure your progress in the game, where it's still safe to make mistakes.
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
To me a game that allow players to get in average 85% of the characters for free, most of them being very usable in the whole game, not that sea of 3 star level bs, almost no powercreep, making pull for new characters a choice, not a must, can cleary be called f2p friendly.
Their only problem is if you start late and want every single thing in the game.
And I totally agree with the "building good habits" part. They can't force you to do nothing, if you just have your head in place.
Thats why when I started playing Genshin cause of Ganyu and I learned that she gonna be avalaible in next month I literally set a plan of what I gonna do. Not only I progressed so much trough game (trough month I finished Inazuma) but, also I was AR 40 meaning that Ganyu could be leveled to level 80. So basically trough month I manged my time and things I wanna focus one meaning that I ended up with 14400 primo gems (90 wishes) + 20 wishes from ingame content and also materials that were needed to progres Ganyu to Level 90!
Also As a backup I check how much money I can spend if something wont go right. But at the end of the day I pulled her in just 30 wishes. the only complain I have to my self is how I decided to pull her bow that end up Eating 210-220 wishes which needed me to pay (cause I went with he flow and falese illusion of luck after pulling Ganyu just in 30 wishes, but I learn my lesson). Yet I don't regret it since I was prepared for this and now I'm doing everything to know way faster which chr., that I am interested in, gonna appear so I can prepare for them
Yes, we can expect the game to change and yes, we can expect F2P games to be truly F2P friendly. There are plenty that already are.
Yours and others' tolerance of predatory business practices encourages the continuation and adoption of those same practices. Giving any predatory product a positive metric helps the company market it to other consumers, creating the potential for more people to fall victim.
@@Swagbastian I wish every game was like Genshin.
amazing, loved this essay, i'm lucky that my baby girl is venti & i already have all my other baby girls so i'm just collecting for fun at this point
loved this essay 10/10 thanks for the good watch :)
if it means anything i watched all the ads through & didn't skip, enjoy that adsense to re-make what you lost on yoi
I will never shut up about how lucky I am to have her since her first banner - she was my first ever 5* and I still use her :)
Same, sometimes I go back to play my Eula team whenever I feel like going ham with physical instead of using the elements. For some reason it feels a lot better hitting ridiculously hard with physical damage, even though it unfortunately isn't as good.
Being able to put the game down when you want is a strength in itself. Sometimes you need to remind yourself that GI is just a game, one that you should be having fun in, and not stressing out over
True, but if the game REQUIRES you to put it down sometimes just to not be stressed, then is it even a good game?
@@Swagbastian you could say that to any online game that has any ranking in it, and the game still have a huge playerbase. But i would say it deppens on what kind of gameplay you´re looking for
This is how I deal with "Fomo". New character comes out i don't summon... Why? Cause they'll get a rerun eventually and with the time between reruns I'll have saved up primogems to get the character. I've done that with every character so far and it works for me. I have all the characters except Al haitham and Wanderer but since Al is back I have enough primogems to get him and wanderer whenever they do comeback. The thing thats been eating away at my money however are those damn weapons lol. My general rule of the weapon banner is that in order for me to summon on it both 5 star weapons have to be something I wouldn't mind getting personally. I make a note of how many primos I have for characters and I separate between weapon banner and character banner. Most my money nowadays is for weapons.
Another stellar video! Eula is my favorite character in the game, and also my main. I hope when she rolls back around she comes home quickly for you! I'm hoping to snag her weapon next time around lol.
Didn't realize you had a Twitch, the entire time watching this I was thinking to myself that I would totally love to watch you stream (any game really, your voice is soothing and your thoughts resonate a lot with me). Definitely gonna be on the lookout for future streams when they happen!
Best Wishes! 💙
Thank you for all the kind words! I really appreciate it all of it, truly :)
12:40 I mean, you just described every gacha in existence here… Either you stay f2p but you have to make choices, or you pay money for a chance to get more characters or equipment. That’s the basic prinicple of gacha games. The 50/50 system Genshin introduced is incredibly shitty though, and it depresses me to see that other devs are starting to use it (looking at you, Wuthering Waves…)
The irony is that the main reason I took a break on Genshin in the past month… was to play Honkai Star Rail. I don’t know how Mihoyo expects players to juggle those two games (plus Honkai Impact) simultaneously honestly. But I also realized playing Genshin was infinitely more pleasant if I just ignored the gacha and focused on quests and exploration at my own pace. There’s really no point in grinding or following the meta in this game.
as a FGO player which considered a Dark souls of Gacha
Genshin Gacha is like walking in the flowers field.
nobody calls fgo the dark souls of gacha
"As a person who eats horsesh*t regularly, I'd say dogsh*t is way better"
I'm watching the video and raising my eyebrows about how much of this psychological manipulation I am immune to because to me everything is reduced to "Tier whoring".
The moment I saw Eula Lawrence I was compelled by her kit and then learned that she's an EXTREMELY niche character that's limited to very few comps with extremely specific conditions (such as having Kazuha in or C6 Diona)
And then I checked out because I am a lazy fuck. Yeah, sure, I am a fucking tier whore but that's keeping me from having to spend four figures into a damn banner so who is laughing now?
Um... she doesn't want either Kaz (doesn't benefit much from VV, EM, or his DMG buff) or C6 Diona (again, EM is pretty much worthless for her).
She is niche, but mostly because physical damage has huge drawbacks. That VV doesn't help means the strong groupers benefit the team a lot less. Shields need elements to break them, but phys teams tend to be limited in the elements they run, plus phys itself sucks at shield breaking. And, of course, there's robots, meaning high phys resists is something pretty commonly encountered, at least in the Abyss (though, honestly, the robot resists tend to be less of an issue, because of phys resist debuffs, plus wanting other damage types for the shield issue).
@@Axterix13 I meant more so in terms of worthwhile damage against groups my guy. If it's a team tailored to her she's much worse and also the niche stuff becomes more prominent.
I sure do hope that her rerun flops because people are deluding themselves into thinking she's good right now.
I'm totally immune to that. Really can't understand how someone can't control your own wallet
Yeah same no need to want every character when you can identify what actually adds to your account and what is effectively deadweight
"then learned that she's an EXTREMELY niche character that's limited to very few comps with extremely specific conditions"
this is complete bollocks
Genshin made me want to buy a gaming laptop and sell my PC because of this FOMO thingy. I know there's mobile version, but it has storage problem in the future because Genshin is getting bigger each new update. Also did they cancel Genshin on Switch??? They waste money on that trailer lol
Fomo ain’t no joke I just dropped 56k primos for c2 kazuha. I had no earlier and won one 50/50 lol.
I don't often like videos about Genshin, but as a veteran player, i think you did one of the best job explaining things in general. The weapon banner is the biggest waste of money a player can do , unless its a whale. I was able with a lot of struggle.. to 36star this last abyss which is absurdly hard. and i have ZERO banner weapon. i honestly never pulled in that banner since the game started. Of course pulling there its ok if you don't like to put effort in the game, as having the character weapon raise that char damage by a lot.
But as said in the video, you can totally avoid it and still do ALL the game content.
I only did one abyss run, got 35s and called it a day. I ain't wasting my time for an extra primos that's not even worth half a wish 😅
You mentioned Kaveh and his personality briefly in the video and it reminded me of my own gacha struggles lol. I love Kaveh and he is my favorite character, however, I am F2P and have terrible luck. I saved up 20 pulls for Kaveh before the banner, assuming that I would get him quickly but I was wrong. I had to play for hours and hours to get enough wishes for Kaveh (which ended up being around 50 more pulls). Although I never spent money, the amount of time I spent in Genshin is still good for Hoyoverse.
I'm also pulling for Alhaitham now because I want to get Kaveh's roommate because of my Kaveh loyalty haha. Hoyoverse really does have an excellent way of getting players hooked on the gacha (even if it's not great for us).
This video was great and I just subbed btw :)
I relate to him way too much, like I would probably succeed more in life by being more ruthless, but i'm just normally not that guy. I know the whole "nice guy" thing is a meme at least when it comes to dating, but there are people who want to generally be more of a savage or heartless, but when an opportunity presents itself: they help people instead (potentially to their detriment).
It's even worse since a lot of the richest / most successful people are very much NOT like that, and in fact, are opportunists who might betray anyone to get ahead and get rewarded for it.
@@hidarling641 I also relate to Kaveh perhaps a bit too much! He's my favorite because I see so much of myself in him haha. Kaveh is such a well written and relatable character
As I played Genshin from the start i now gladly can say I don’t have that attachment to getting everyone i just for for the characters i want when i want then i look for leaks then what i saved use it to get em even if there’s next archon or whatever I don’t care heck i go for 4 stars if i want them . My only focus now is to get hydro archon then I’ll just keep saving for whatever characters that is fun different gameplay or even take rest tbh
Here's another anecdote to add to the pile here;
One of my friends has been obsessed with kirara since she was announced. However, she doesn't play the game that frequently and hadn't saved up a mountain of primos for her. She still had a decent amount to pull from, but did not pull kirara. I decided to give her 50 bucks to spend on genesis crystals so she could get kirara. Even with all of the pulls from 50 dollars, she STILL did not pull kirara. Being a huge fan of a 4 star can sometimes be worse because there is never a guarantee that you will pull the one you want. You still do the regular 50/50 for featured/regular, but you also have to contend with an inescapable 1/3 chance to get the 4 star you want when you hit one of the featured 4 stars, and the more frequent 4 star rates can't always help you with that.
it took me a little over 100 pulls to get kaveh
Don't you see how that means there's something SERIOUSLY wrong with the game?
Eula is… funny to me.
I pulled for albedo and had 1 ten pull left after I got him, so I went „fuck it, one 10 pull for eula!“ and got her…
I‘m a husbando collector first and foremost… xD
But seeing how she gets treated, I‘m not lying when I say I‘m glad I snatched her anyways!
I love combat in open world. Using Eula to beat down fatui agents is fun. So glad ive been playing since 1.0 and ive always known that this game will be worth the 100 dollars ive spent (making sure not to spend more because its a game and i shouldnt spend more than what i would spend in one go on any other game🙃) im lucky to have had the time to not miss more that a day or two these past 2+ years. im a little sad how often i need to skip characters just to make sure i can get the others i want... Buuut the way to get around the character issues is to just run a second account and pull for the characters you dont get on your main 🤡 easy
If you find genshin FOMO bad, please dont ever try playing destiny 2
Your music choices for this video are really great, perfectly matched the ambiance of the current section
mhy actually makes some crazy gacha games. like, seriously, they're the only gachas i've consistently spent money on.
although that might not be saying much, since outside of hoyo gachas i only still play around 4 (bandori[casually now, but was my obsession of 2+ years until around 3 years back] And for playing daily i have blue archive[favourite], alchemy stars and nu carnival) and out of those 4 i've only spent money on two (bandori twice for the stars box, alchemy stars once for a hiiro skin)
but with mhy? tears of themis, genshin, and now even hsr. i have the monthly for all 3, and it's all just to save for upcoming characters/cards in case they release another one i really like.
that is to say: mhy is really good at getting people to spend money. whether or not it's just the monthly pass
also: don't try pulling every character. for your own sanity's sake. i'm sure almost everyone knows this by now though. save your primos! never think "oh my pity is low, so this won't affect anything" ESPECIALLY if it's a banner of a 5* you dislike! the number of times i've seen people complain about getting a limited 5* they dislike as if they didn't decide to pull on that banner drives me nuts! don't do random pulls outta nowhere then fucking complain about it!
20:38 i feel that exactly. sometimes i panic and spend an insane amount of money over a short period of time and after that, i feel empty. it was the same for hu tao's first banner where i needed a good pyro applier, then again on yelan's first banner, on albedo's rerun... i stopped now and haven't payed anything in a good while, i even stopped playing already, but this feeling after a "spending spree" that maybe it wasn't worth it. yea, i know that all too well. i am finanically well off, so this was alright for me, but you can easily slip into harmfull behaviour
this is a really well made video! i was shocked when i realized you don't have more subs. this video just popped up in my recommended feed!
i agree with a lot of your points, especially when you mentioned how we're drip fed information- i think thats one of my biggest gripes with genshins gacha system. the rates are terrible too, but at least the 50/50 and guarantee system alleviates that a bit. however, the lack of any sort of "banner roadmap" makes saving as f2p incredibly hard. genshin is all about resource management, and that extends to your primos too. so only knowing the banners a few weeks in advance makes things very difficult. i don't WANT to have to rely on sus leaks of banners, but mihoyo kind of forces me to. if i didn't, i probably would've dumped all my primos on nahida and missed kazuha's upcoming banner
I’ve had Eula triple crowned since day 1. I can confirm she hits like a truck.
The one and only master tip for this game is:
Stay away from the weapon banner unless you know VERY WELL the rabbit hole you are getting yourself into
A year later and new characters come and go without me feeling like I'm missing anything because now they're all designed to be C2R1 or skip and they're increasingly covering previously-covered ground, making skipping increasingly easy.
I kinda miss the gold old days of gaming dose anyone remember the recon helmet from halo or a game that is feature complete
This is why i follow leaks to help plan out my spending/saving of primos
Aaaaaaand the banner sales of her rerun suck
I think I'm currently experiencing burnout for genshin. Though I am playing honkai star rail, rn I'm so tired that I may delete it. I don't have the mental and emotional strength (as a f2p) to invest the same amount of time into hsr that I've put into genshin. I'm hoping and wishing I will manage to get kazuha on his upcoming re-run, otherwise it feels like i'm close to quitting genshin. or taking a long break. but I'm too anxious to do that without peace of mind.
Take your time. Do not fall for their mind games.
Absolutely true that you pay this game with your time. But let's say you DO enjoy playing it (farming, abyss, exploration), and you dedicate a healthy amount of time to gaming, as opposed to playing 24/7, this game's experience is not only free but quite fair in terms of how much time you have to dedicate to it. I've spent two years playing Genshin F2P and I've got all of the characters I wanted. Needless to say, you shouldn't 'want to get' every character in the game. Just focus on getting the ones you want the most and focus on builing the ones you get from the get-go, as they are usually neglected for the community for some reason, when they can be extremely useful.
Eula is the new physical 5* dps, her debut giving some love to phys. Wdym that this is her rerun xP
The two things that annoyed me most about Genshin is 1. The fact that the archons are limited event runs, despite being main story characters. I wish they’d done what other games did and just made them another rarity higher, eg. Cookie Run Kingdom- insanely low drop rate, but still obtainable, making it still worth pulling on their highlighted banners.
The second thing is the important lore being event limited. So many people I know LOVE Albedo, but to me, he seemed incredibly bland- I later discovered it’s because he had MULTIPLE lore events filling him out as a character which I will never see, because they don’t do reruns. Why!!! Why don’t they rerun events!! They constantly add new mechanics and lore only to never bring them back, and it drives me CRAZY. oh, except the prop hunt multiplayer minigame which is too hard to play with random strangers because everyone got too damn good at it for it to be fair for beginners :’))
Ive had my fare Gacha games especially games under Hoyo. I've played since GGZ. My mindset to their games is I approach the game very casually, treat it as if it's a singleplayer game which helps me on not spending much, and learn to play with I have. I've come from mmos which has pay to win models and spent much on there and much much more predatory Gacha and very bad Gacha games, I've also had my fair share of playing competitively in video games, tabletop, tcgs and other hobbies. Especially with tcgs which require you to really shell out money to come out on top. For me, Genshin and to some extent, Honkai Star Rail and Honkai Impact 3rd, is a 'pay to simp' gacha game.
Yeah I don't know how much longer I'll play this game. A lot of aspects are fun, but the gatcha spoils it so much. I might have been okay handing over some money but it's basically $200 to get a 5star character you want, and that's not even looking into getting C6. Each pull costs a bit less than 2.50USD and the game doesn't reward much for buying in bulk. And I think about how there is no ultimate reward for this game: the game runs on this predatory scheme and if the money dries up there will never be a non-gatcha Genshin Impact to play. They'll shut down the servers and all your collected characters will disappear into the abyss.
I started playing during Eula’s last banner and only realized after she was gone what wishing was and that I wanted her. I thought it would be a couple months and she would be back last summer, boy was I wrong. After I got Kokomi I started saving for Eula in 3.0 with no primos. I somehow got cyno at 5 pity trying to get a Candace and then got nahida in 1 ten pull. I pulled for Alhaitham and Yelan because I had over 250+ wishes and luckily won both 50/50s (I lost my first 4 50/50s and then won these 4 so don’t think I’m too lucky lol) but that luck meant I could still wish for yoimiya and still have 300 wishes for Eula and I’m hoping she doesn’t try to dodge me. As long as I win either Eula or zhongli 50/50 I might be okay for focalors
So. I am someone who in the first 2 years of the game spent $10k. It was a process. Around the time of Shenhe's banner i dropped to BP and Monthly Card. I worked a terrible job where i made $14 an hour. Minimum wage, and with that money could have bought a car, or a better PC. In Canada, that amount is nothing and i made a goal to get every character and cared less about the weapon.
Well, one day, I stopped buying into each character because i lost control rolling for a C6 of a 4* which is hell and ended up with a C3 Hu Tao. My account is stacked. Several 5* weapons and 2 C6 5*'s, being Keqing and QiQi.
The verdict? I didn't regret spending any of that money at the time that i enjoyed Genshin, but now i'm at the point where i wish i never spent a dollar on the game. The game is a boring visual novel with nothing burger dialogue that is the equivalent to the sound of a cheese grater on a chalk board. It is monotonous. I hate Genshin because i loved it to the point where i noticed it's glaring issue's too late.
I'm at the point now where i just log in, do dailies, skip BP and im waiting for the monthly card to run out so i can take a good 6 month break. I stopped doing the events this patch, and it feels nice. I thought getting C1 Al Haitham would make me get back into the game but no. I did a 10 pull and for the first time in about 3 years i got a double 5* roll and that still didnt make me enjoy the game.
I liked Baizhu a lot since I first saw him. With the release of sumeru & the dendro element I was hoping he would get a banner soon, so I saved. And saved more.. and even more... In the end I skipped nearly every sumeru banner. It brought me a C2 Baizhu + signature weapon with no real world money spent, but it means I missed out on lots of characters that were really important for the new game play mechanics. I struggle finding teams for spiral abyss & new challenges since I don't really have many five stars due to my "save for those you really want" approach. No matter what you do, you just can't win.
nothing will decimate me more than spending money to get kaveh only to get ganyu, baizhu, c6 candace, c2 fischl, and no kaveh 💀 i bought the full BP for the kaveh and alhaitham couch and i spent like $30 to get alhaitham's sword (which took me losing my 50/50 2 times) and finally got the sword at 20 pity. i have spend alreadt probably over $100 and i will never do this again (im delusional and i probably will lmao)
not only am i just ashamed that i spent money on a game about pixels, but i just really like the characters and really like the lore and story. i dont have a problem with liking things for a long time, so i genuinely dont see myself stop playing genshin until we get to the very end. i watched ouran high school host club in like 2012 and i still watch it every year, same with fruits basket, assassination classroom, haikyuu, etc. i've spent the past decade like this so i really mean it that when i like a series i don't let it go for a long time unfortunately
I play pretty reliably but still haven't explored much of Sumeru. I can't say I don't enjoy the game but keeping up with leveling characters and doing events, I so rarely feel up to just wandering and finding things the way I did early game.
A little off-topic from Genshin, but I play 3rd impact & Star rail & for the longest time in 3rd impact I was able to get most version characters (I skipped a lot of characters & the game will sometimes just give away the character for "free"), but when I started Star rail that's where I learned that it's pretty much impossible for a F2P player (least for me) to get every new banner character (for both games) & there's nothing wrong with missing out on characters. Star rail hasn't gotten reruns yet (it won't be any time soon I believe) but 3rd impact has rerun often.
Your whole video is invalid as you're a collector and mini whale. The whole experience is vastly different than 95% players but I have to thank you as you keep the game profitable.
As Genshin's character roster continues to grow they'll have to start putting out three 5-star banners at a time, or perhaps alternate between two and three banners at a time, otherwise the 'Eula Problem' will only get worse... but on that note, would the weapon banner then also offer three signature weapons? Wouldn't that screw up it's own 50/50 system? We'll have to wait and see.
Counterpoint to this entire video. I understand all the nuances and caveats of the situation. I am a financial analyst by trade. But this banner, so far, has been the worst (bottom 3) banner hoyo has ever had for genshin. Seems they haven't perfected anything yet.
The best way to play genshin is to just fall in love with every character. Sooner or later you'll get them all, so just roll on all banners that have a char that you're missing and enjoy them all equally. That's what I've been doing for 3 years now and I love the game.
i know i got rec'd this video bc i'm waiting for eula, but i'm not sure why i'm watching the whole thing bc i'm a fully soul dead genshin player.. pain. but you're nice to listen to!
For Eula, I think she has a particular set of circumstances that combine to make her less common.
The first is that her sales aren't great. And, while, as a Eula/Dehya main, it pains me to say it, that's because she's not very effective. Physical damage has problems, and Hoyoverse doesn't care about fixing the various problems Genshin has. And nope, Mika doesn't address those issues. He actually helps make them worse, since he's very bad at breaking shields, which are a big issue for physical damage. He's not a good Eula support. This lower sales due to lower effectiveness is compounded by how many times the character has been re-run before. Unless a character is top tier META, you have the initial banner and the first re-run. After that, most players that want the character will likely have them. Newer players will have a ton of interesting characters to pick from, and many of them will be either more hyped (due to being new) and/or more effective. The upcoming Eula+Klee banner is going to be one of Genshin's worst sellers, because both characters have game play issues and have been re-run before. So, low sales, and therefore, less incentive for Hoyoverse to re-run her.
This time, there's an added factor, though. Genshin pushes story tie-ins over all else. And this relates to Eula. I think she was meant to re-run in place of Ayaka's most recent re-run, in that banner where Mika launched. He's designed like a character someone who looks at Eula's kit, but doesn't actually use her in game, would think she'd want. And it makes sense to run her on the same banner, so they build hype for each other. But at some point, Hoyoverse made a decision... to use her in this year's summer zone. And because she is a poor seller, there was no way they were going to re-run her 2x in a relatively short time frame. So she got replaced with Ayaka and pushed all the way back to 3.8. A double edged sword for Eula lovers. We get more of her in game (yay!) but her banner has been pushed back by months (boo!).
I do think Genshin wants to re-run characters often enough. That's why we got the double banner system. Too many five stars for them to re-run often enough with just one. But often enough does not mean often, either. There's a reason when, after the double banner system first started, we had a single banner one in there. They probably want to re-run characters at about six months for the first, and before a year for any subsequent ones. And now we've reached a point where two banners isn't enough anymore. So now Hoyoverse has to make choices. Do they do more of what they did with Tiggy and Dehya, and make characters they'll add to the standard banner? That pretty much precludes re-runs. Do they want to have still more banners running at once (and a third character one would mean a second weapon banner as well). Do they just re-run less popular characters less often? But that can mean a year+ between re-runs, and that time will continue to increase. Or do they institute some new system, like a single banner that lets you pick from a pool of five stars, meaning they can bunch up all the poor sellers into a single banner, boosting sales for said banner, while shortening re-run times. That would require them to do actual work to improve Genshin, though, rather than spending that time on trying to cram the TCG down our throats.
As far as world gathered items go, there really isn't much of a time crunch for them. While just playing, you pick them up when you see them, and so when a character comes out, you have them. And if you didn't do that for some reason, you don't need a friend's world. Just join random worlds and ask. It is really only a pain at the launch of a new area (as in an X.0 patch), when lots of people are likely to be after the new drop and/or exploring the new area and snagging every new thing they see), while the game is also likely to have a higher quantity of new characters needing said drop.
I think probably the biggest FOMO factor, besides time between banners, is event weapons. For a whale, they typically aren't very useful, with the exception of the Cinnabar Spindle, which is a bit of an edge case, as Albedo lacks a five star signature weapon. But for a F2P, these four stars greatly expand weapon variety, are easy to R5, and cheaper to raise. They could be better still (they're not crit stat weapons), but regardless, they are options.
Soft pity is at 75 for non-weapon banners, by the way, not 70. You'll almost always get the 5 star between 75-80.
ik this is an old video but dude if you were saving for 500 days you would have enough primogems to wish for other characters and STILL have enough to get a guaranteed eula you didnt need to skip every character 💀
my fave thing about genshin is the story, the enviroment and the grinde of building characters so really unlike a lot of people I see online I don't mind the lack of endgame or the gacha. I play the way I play, listen to a podcast and do my dailies, and then either go through the story or logout
Eula best racer character!!!
? Genshin does not have alternate racing skins / outfits like Azur Lane.
@@ef3001 :clueless:
@@RieMUisthegoaTThen you're clueless for calling Eula a racer 🏁
@@ef3001 om he doesn't get it
22:51 which sucks but I feel like its kinda impossible to put in a stable order, if they would try to put it in order the problem is you're probably sacrificing a lot of characters to rerun and the high chances of a new character per patch is making it feel impossible. Unless they decide to make it a 3-type character banner something like idk honkai impact 3rd (idk if its 3 banners per patch on honkai since I haven't been keeping up w/ honkai but I'm pretty sure its more than 2). Also great vid ! its a good reminder and warning to the new players who isn't familiar with genshin's rules
i have multiple accounts, which helps with the FOMO but doesnt help with the burnout, it makes it much worse. ive committed myself to getting eula and zhongli and only wishing on them until someone *really* piques my interest, likely the hydro archon. i ended up pulled ganyu on my alt account, not by accident but man i regret it. i was saving my guarantee for klee and now only now im hearing rumors about her rerun. i have enough accounts to pull characters for fun with no issues but when it comes to improving my accounts, i dont have that luxury
PGR: You need 15,000 black cards to get the new S-Rank character in the 100% rate banner. Please
PGR Player: Okay, time to whale 😎😎😎
this video describes perfectly why i had to quit this game 2 years ago... i really did enjoy it but i'm the kind of person that can't go "halfway" on most things and this game abuses the hell out of you if you care about going all in. characters i can skip but missing limited story events and such was just too much for me. you really have to be able to just get what you want out of the game and let other things pass you by and i was not capable of doing that. game was just way too much of a mental burden for someone like myself.. my first and hopefully last gacha game.
the other day I arrived home from work at 00:30, and procedet to play genshin 'till 3 in the morning because due to starrail I haven't been playing and I did the whole TGC event in a day
What are you talking about? Genshin is very friendly, You can always get her on a rerun they said
Idk but if hoyo want to get some money from me, they are doing it wrong. I have not spend most of my wishes and now I have enough to guarantee Eula C1 or if I got lucky, C3. All without spending. Also, there are dedicated savers of Eula ready to c6 her fully f2p. To be fair, Eula mains even warn other people against wishing on her because of her power value.
While I don't play Genshin (my laptop isn't strong enough), I can already feel this with Star rail. From starting too late for Seele to pair her up with Bronya, to how getting multiple of characters is required to unlock parts of their kits, to how "weapons" best for them are in a separate gacha and how they never add to the standard pool more 5*. I sure am spoiled by my previous game, Arknights, respected the player more, from a pity of 40 pulls making getting characters usually pretty easy, to getting multiple of the same characters aren't required since the talent boosts are like a 5% increase to a existing talent (only exception is Bagpipe). Even every character other than limited (which all pop up in their perspective celebration time) is fair to get and there's even a guaranteed ticket for standard characters every half year for whales. Time to wait for Seele to come back.
literally don't care bout missing out, is dumb if you feel like you need to spend your time in a videogame
Eula is going to make Hoyo so much money. For fear of never seeing her again, there's going to be a ton of people who will surely max constellation her when she's available again.
Yeah so the thing you're forgetting is getting a max constellation is VERY expensive, so unless the "ton of people" you're referring to are whales, then no, the majority of people who are pulling will probably just get one copy, and I'm willing to bet its only because of certain voluptuous reasons.
@@ghotifish1838 GODDAMN SHE THICC
I enjoyed the commentary. Liked and subbed.
I have been away from Genshin as a "full-time" player for around two years. I am incredibly far behind. I don't even know if it's worth catching up at this point, I am missing so many "meta" characters and all my old ones seem washed and so far from viable.
Physical sucks though, she’s such an easy skip
An these are all the reasons I quit genshin and started honkai star rail😅😂