Battle of the Bulge - Northern shoulder December 20-24 - Kampfgruppe Peiper
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- Hello and welcome to The AceDestroyer! This documentary is all about the final stages in the northern shoulder of the Ardennes offensive. The battle from the 20th till the 24th of December 1944 between Kampfgruppen Peiper, Knittel and Hansen and the American 30th ID, 82nd ABN Division and the 3rd armored Division. I hope you’ll enjoy. Don’t forget to like, subscribe and leave a comment down below! Cheers!
Info: Le destin des tigers de Peiper, Both museums in La Gleize and Baugnez, Duel in the mist and the wonderful internet.
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At 14:30 you state that "more than one hundred civilians were murdered in the garden of one of the Stavelot houses". This is obviously incorrect: the murders in the garden of the Legaye house cost the lives of 23 civilians. Also, though the bodies were discovered in the afternoon of the 22nd, the massacre took place on the 19th at 20.00hrs. I think you somehow mixed up this one massacre with the bodycount of the combined massacres, of which the killings in Parfondruy on the 19th (26 murdered civilians), the Legrand Farm (19th - 17 civilans) and Trois-Ponts (19th - 7 civilians) were the other main crimes.
Oh yeah, wow! I knew the massacre took place on the 19th and that there was more than one, but hell, I didn't know all of that, thanks for pointing that out. I really appreciate it! I hope you enjoyed the rest of the video though. Thanks again! (Do you know if I can change that in the video, or how to pin a comment?) If not, it's ok, but thanks again. These comments mean a lot!
@@TheAceDestroyer pin this comment above now!
Thanks for bringing it to my notice again, @@Zretgul_timerunner. I finally found how you pin reactions.
@@TheAceDestroyer no worries just ensuring u made good on your promises Xd
@@TheAceDestroyerwill you ever do a video about the Japanese- American regiment of ww2 ?
My grandfather was in the 504th C company 82nd airborne and was wounded by shrapnel at Cheneux and was the end of the war fot him, he would never talk about it other than he lost many of his buddies and was a miracle he was one of the few that made it out, this is a great description of the battle compared to some I've seen and I've seen pretty much every documentary that exist of this battle,, great detail of the unit's involved in the fighting great work sir.
My Grandfather was also 82nd airborne and wounded in this great battle (blown from his foxhole during artillery attack) always thankful for the guys that got him out and to the rear for medical attention. I wish I could get more information about his service. Thanks for sharing his story, and always grateful for the Greatest Generation.
My grandfather was in the 504th 82nd airborne and was wounded by shrapnel at Chanaux and was the end of the war fit him, this is a great description of the battle, great detail of the unit's involved in the fighting great work sir.
Your videos are a treasure man. 5 stars. The maps. The video editing. The music. On site footage. I can't thank you enough for the time it took to make these.
Thank you! Happy to see that you also enjoy this 'older' video. I currently have a new camera, so you can expect better quality footage for the next 'in-the-field' videos.
They are incorrect and full of Bull
Only fragments of What you could find Reading.. your bodycount of civilians(100) is a Lie.
Kenny Gottlieb Do you wear Runes proudly on your collar Kenny,sounds like you would.
Some of the most detailed battle coverage I've seen. Running out of AceDestroyer videos. Get to it.
Thank you for the kind words. That's what I'm striving for, small but detailed battle documentaries.
gmonsen .well said mate 👍👍
I just wanted to mention to, 'The AceDestroyer that the added footage, that I'm assuming you shot yourself, of the areas referred to in this documentary are a great asset for the viewer. Not only to give us a better idea of the battle areas in question but, also to give we viewers an idea of what it looks like today. Obviously I am no media expert, just a viewer, simply, 'putting in my two cents worth', whatever it's value here. Thank you, these WWII documentaries are extremely well done!
My pleasure! I'm happy to see that you're enjoying the content! Yeah I shot it myself while I was on a cycling holiday in the La Gleize area.
@@TheAceDestroyer Well done, it serves the accounts quite nicely. (*BTW., I contacted my cousin concerning the particular division/unit that my uncle 'Tiny' was assigned to during WWII along with any additional info. about his experiences; as he kept a journal. He said the he really didn't know about the div./unit offhand; But, he would look into it and contact me with the details. (If you recall, you were interested in discovering that info. with regard to his WWII experiences. I will also ask for the same info., with attached WWII experiences of my father and his brothers, who all served and fought with combat units in WWII in two theaters, with two also serving in the Korean Conflict. Although I do have some of that info. now) Thanks again.
@@MrMenefrego1 Thanks! It seems like you're from a military family with so many family members joining up.
@@TheAceDestroyer Yes and no, my father, his brothers and other relatives were of the generation that endured the Great Depression, as such, they more-than-likely would have joined the military for the sake of survival. Then, at 3:18-AM on December 7th, 1941 the Japanese made that decision for them. Back then, if you were of age, only cowards or those who were gravely ill etc. didn't join that fight. I was in the USMC mainly to emulate my late older brother who was KIA in Vietnam, luckily that war was over by the time I got out of Boot. So, Yes and no.
WOW! I've been to many of the locations you talk about. It is still astounding. The 101st and wind US Airborne fought tough against the overwhelming odds. But the bad weather Hitler wanted he got! But it slowed down Kampfgruppe Peiper. I'm glad you mentioned Hansen. Please do Clervaux next. Nobody covers that area of the Ardennes. If it fell on the first day, the battle may have turned out differently.
Yeah visiting those locations is a wonderful feeling, both the 82nd airborne and 101st airborne (and the other units) fought incredibly hard trying to stop Hitler's last offensive in the west.
I think 'Joedemadio' covered Clervaux, or at least the area around it, but I might do a clervaux one in the future.
Extremely detailed, please continue with these Battle of the Buldge , Armored attack, details, order or battle and After Action reports.
Your graphics are top notch.
I really enjoy these videos
Thank you
Great job!!!
This film in combination with the Duel in the mist books gives a complete overview of the battle on the Northern shoulder.
Living in the La Gleize area I consider myself lucky to have the Ardennes battle field in my back garden but it is films like this that can help you pinpoint the exact places.
Keep up the good work!
keep up the good work you do a great job I along with other historian's have learned a lot from you're documentary's again thanks for the truly great work
Well thank you for the kind words! They truly mean a lot to me!
Thank you for this great doc on the exploits of the Ardennes offensive. Your commentry is detailed and very informative. Bravo!
Thank you!
Thank you for this! I went on a short trip here by chance a few days ago, and i had picked up a bit of history from the museum thats behind the King tiger 213 seen in this video. But your maps really put it all together for me. I suddenly realised i had been to these places and driven through them multiple times without realizing i was literally camping on a former Battle of the Bulge front line
You forgot one IMPORTANT American combat unit - at Rochelinval on January 7th 1944 - the Lost Battalion ( 551st Parachute Battalion ( the “Goya’s” ) temporarily attached to the 82nd Airborne ) won a bitter battle where 514 of 643 men were killed or wounded; including there outstanding commanding officer - Lt. Colonel Joerg. Within 30 days because of the casualties the 551st was disbanded and disappeared from the US Army history. On February 25th 2001 their bravery was finally acknowledged by receiving the Presidential Unit Citation - the highest honor that can be given by the US Army.
My father 1st Lieutenant John “Milt” Hill was one of the few brave survivors.
James K Hill
James Hill Thanks for mentioning the Goya's. This Cavalry unit gets totally overlooked for their part during the Battle of the Bulge, the 38th Cavalry Recon.Sqdrn. attached to the 102nd Cav. and defensively positioned at Monschau, under the command of LTC Robert O'Brien. I recommend reading about this unit, if you haven't already. I hope to return to this sector soon as I have explored the 23rd Inf. Reg. of the 2nd Inf. Div. and their engagements at the Heartbreak Crossroads, and after reading the excellent book "Company Commander" by Capt. Charles B. MacDonald, and his time in combat just being the 393rd- 99th Inf. Div. in the Krinkelter Wald along Rollbahn A, and falling back to the crossroads at the Palm Farm and into Krinkelt-Rocherath. It was a humbling experience to walk where they had fought. Cheers.
Thanks for sharing the knowledge
The attention to detail and videography is superb.The oral script presentation is excellent and efficient. I have studied this small action.
Excellent work.
Strange thought to process, that such a peaceful countryside was the place of one of the biggest WW2 battles. It must been a true hell on earth there...
Thank you very much for dedicating your time for taking the time and the accuracy as well as details of each step taken. Also I want to thank u for making videos like this and I can't even begin to express how much these videos make me block everything out and how your voice is when your describing the situations it really makes a person who is interested in history but not just any kind of history, but world war 2 history and learn so much on these videos and I learn who each and every general captain lieutenant sergeant is and how each situation is explained in deep detail... I just would like to say thank u and please continue making more
I am currently re-reading A BLOOD DIMMED TIDE remembering one of my heroes Uncle Oscar with the 106th. He would hardly talk about it. He was wounded in the thigh and spent the remainder of the battle in wonderful Belgiun family's attick. Yet I am curious to see Baraque de Fraiture. Thank you for all your hard work. Someone should think about a movie about Erick Fisher Wood.
Just wanted to say thanks for another fine documentary , I have only just come across this particular episode and it was very detailed and informative . Thanks and carry on the great work that you are doing in an un-biased way .
Thanks mate! Extremely happy to hear that!
Is there much information on the part played by the British army during the battle of the bulge ? , I know that obviously the main attacks fell upon American units but not much is said about 6th Airborne div plus Belgian & French special forces who fought in battles such as at Bure supported by tanks of the Fife & Forfar yeomanry.
There is some available, not much though... Most books about the Battle of the Bulge focus on the American side of things. But, I think there's quite a lot to find on the Battle of Bure.
Thanks for the reply , yes I have some knowledge about these battles at places such as Bure but it all seems to have been " airbrushed from history " as they say. I cannot find any film of these events either .
@@wellington-yh8rc Yeah, as far as I'm aware there are only a few pictures of the battle. I should research it some time.
Beautiful photography ( what a beautiful country... I live in upstate NY and it looks like where I live) you make such good use of your maps....every video is first rate....thank you
My pleasure! I'm very happy to see that you're enjoying the content!
AceDestroyer, is there a chance you could do a whole piece on Joachim Peiper please? Apart from his phenomenal war record I think people would be interested in his post war life and death, brave to the last.
To Arkansaswookie:
Thanks for the information.
I definitely will look into that unit.
As to the 551st at Rochlinval - I walked the battlefield in 2005.
To great books on the 551st:
“Messenger of The Lost Battalion by Gregory Orfalea ( he also has a cool You Tube video ) and “Left Corner of My Heart” by Dan Morgan.
Americans like us need to never forget those who fought and died to keep us safe....
Yet another fantastic video,
Another great video. Been there and followed the action but looks like I missed some places. Well done. I really enjoy your work. 🙂👍
I like your videos. You do good work. All the Way!
Enjoyed watching this, thanks for taking the time to make
The period you cover in this video is some of the most impressive Fighting by us infantry and airborne troops. Especially considering the forces that they're fighting against. Good stuff...
Great video, very informative 👏
I'm really enjoying your videos. Good Job! BTW try using a cheap tripod to assist in your filming. It`ll be easier for filming and it`ll be more comfortable for your fans to watch.;-)
Thanks for the kind words! I actually bought a tripod a couple of months ago and it works great with my new camera as well, so expect better footage for the coming videos.
Yeah. This is a really good series. I had made some comments in another one but you've covered most of them here.
Good job!
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My Grandfather stokes Taylor,80th ABN AT,82nd ABN was KIA at Trois Ponts,12/21/44 supporting 505.DSC,PH.I have been there,rough terrain above Trois Ponts.
Its always worth listening to your talks as there is so much detail plus you do try to use corresponding film clips which help somewhat! Cheers
This German army was a shadow of it's former self. All the best and most experienced were dead or holding the Red Army back. A few experienced officers with new recruits and even kids. It's not surprising there were going to be innocent civilians murdered. As German cities burned. They should have never been sent on such a suicidal attack. Relying on captured fuel dumps to keep their untrained tank crews moving. Good docu though.
Great segment. Terrible seeing the photo of the soldier looking down at the dead(I presume) little boy.
Brilliant !!
Fantastic, learned quite a bit, thx!
My pleasure! I'm very pleased to hear that!
Outstanding maps
My Pop Pop was with the 120th Company G 30th Inf. Fought along the Ambleve and received his first Silver Star on Christmas Eve in Parfondruy. He spoke of the massacre that happened there. He said the fighting in Thirmont shortly after was incredible intense.
Did you see the comment by Henry Prenger? His dad was also in Parfondruy with 120/G
Very nice work. The quality of production and amount of research put into this is impressive and quite uncommon on this platform, especially for WWII-related content. Even a lot of the authentic footage is new to me. Certainly deserves more views.
What kind of software do you use for the animations, if you don't mind me asking?
I make the maps with powerpoint, but the editing of the videos is with Vegas movie Studio 15 Platinum.
My dad was in the 30th. Good to hear about them.
Could you do a video on the battle of Krinkelt. I had a friend who fought in that battle.
Very special kind of history and your take was right on. For the future, try to take your location shots at the same time of the year that the events occurred. Show the location today, in the good weather and then cut to photos of the locations in the winter. Just a thought.
I really enjoyed your video....thank you for details......i'am trying recreate piepers advance with gaming miniatures so always use your videos as reference
I like 'Squad Leader'.
According to Mark felton, the king tigers 221 and 213 scored several hits against the shermans and killed more than one tank before the remaining of the 15 shermans damaged both panzers.
I'm glad you mentioned that. The official website of the December 44 Historical Museum in La Gleize (owner of the Tiger II 213), mentions that no Shermans were hit. www.december44.com/en/tiger-213.htm However, one account at Moulin Maréchal southeast of La Gleize mentioned (hypothetically) that they could have destroyed a few Shermans. In Klingelhöfer's statement (in command of a Panzer IV), he said that they had a disagreement with one of the Tiger II commanders and the opportunity was lost. It might be possible that Felton was referring to this instance instead (this occured on the 20th of December). The latter information comes from 'Duel in the Mist 2' by Timm Haasler, Roddy Macdougall, Simon Vosters and Hans Weber.
Please don’t forget my father’s 551st Parachute Battalion ( attached to the 82nd Airborne ) courage and loss on January 7th 1945 at Rochelinval Belgium in the last Battle of the Bulge effort. Only 110 members of the original 684 Battalion walked away…
Amazing video like always, I can't imagine how much work you put into It. One question why did the German killed the civilians there?
Thanks! From what I could find most of the civilians were shot with no reason. Some were shot from not telling were the Americans were whilst others were shot for trying to escape or being to slow for their liking. But most of them it seems were shot for no reason. It is however possible that the civilians were shot by the SS because they couldn't reach their objectives. If you want to know much more about the unfortunate killings, www.battle-of-the-bulge.be/the-killings-parfrondruy-ster-and-renardmont/ is a good place to start.
I really like your video's, but please, film with a tripod. Makes the footage more stable and easier to watch
Again great video
If i may make a suggestion
Do a video on allied Tank aces
Like Lafette Poole US Army
Or Albin Irzyk?
Just a suggestion .
How ever i do enjoy these video's
Immensely!!
I have made a video about a French tank ace a while back. However, I have stopped making videos about individual soldiers as it is hard to find relative footage for those sort of videos.
@@TheAceDestroyer
Thats understandable
Thank you. 😊
Very interesting
Southern shoulder video please.
Do you know if the 30th ID, 117th Regiment, K Company had been involved in this time period?
Yes, On the 21st of December Coy K reached the N33 near Moulin Maréchal, to the east of La Gleize without any real opposition. They did however spot around 6 tanks inside La Gleize. The next on the 22nd they were involved in a failed attack on La Gleize. You can find more information about Company K in the excellent Duel in the Mist Books.
@@TheAceDestroyer Thank you very much! My Grandpa served in K Company from 1944-45. He was captured and became a POW on March 1st in Lipp Germany. I was in LaGleize 5 years ago and met a civilian that told me about the book, Duel in the Mist. Thanks again, I really appreciate your knowledge and insight!
No prolbem! I'm always happy to help! What a hero! I hope he eventually survived the war?
@@TheAceDestroyer Yes, my Grandpa survived the war, but brought home a lot of bad memories with him. He passed away in 1987. He is missed and is my Hero!
Look at that guy in the middle, wonder who he is
Pieper s rifle is cool, too bad those came out to late
Only thing which stopped this attack was the lack of gasoline :/ If germans could get that gasoline fast enough, they would have driven allies back to the normandy.
I'm not so sure. Don't forget the Allies had command of the air.
No. Even if the Panzers could have crossed the Meuse and broken out the Germans simply did not have the forces to secure their flanks. The Allies would simply cut them off. Unlike 1940 were the command and control of the French had completely broken down. the allied forces to the north stayed under control of Monty. Supplies had been building up for weeks so even cut off it could still operate. And unlike 1940 in the south there was an army capable of an offensive operations under Patton.
And the truth is that Americans did stop them in the first days. It should have been a 2 pronged attack but the north one was blocked in the first couple of days. This was the shortest route the Meuse and forced everything into the southern thrust. The roads in the Ardennes simply could not cope with that traffic, so it's questionable if the Germans could have moved up more fuel if they had had it. Even in 1940 capturing fuel was also a priority. The only merit of attacking through the Ardennes is that nobody expects it because it's logistical nightmare and a defenders dream.
@@barthoving2053 indeed, had the Germans managed to cross the Meuse they would have been shot to pieces by the Allied airforce on the open planes west of the river. Had they actually tried to recapture Antwerp they would have been blown to smithereens by the Allied naval guns just like they had been in Normandy. They did not stand a chance and they knew it
Gas, ammo, trained crews, gas trucks, supply trucks, mobile artillery, epic long 150 mile one road supply line. No replacement men or vehicles, Terrain working against you, entire Brit army to the north, Patton to the south, .......other than that.
In Denmark we Call it the battle of the ardenner
The Hurtgen forest . .
Absolutely no link.
@@ClaudeMCAUWE Yes yes . . but the forest
Are you a historian?
No, just a World War One and Two buff...
The music is rreallly annoying
I know, my older video's have dare I say it shitty music editing and all, but I think it has much improved since my new editing software programme.
The AceDestroyer this is obviously just an opinion, but I think it is just a little loud. It interferes with the narration because of the rising and falling nature of the music. Not bad, just distracting.
Basically, I do not believe that I can form an opinion about this war without having understood the First World War and its consequences.
The Treaty of Versailles and its inhumane exploitation of the French
Still unparalleled today!
Not correct with the massacre , and not correct with the retried of Piper. Piper run out of gasoline, amo and food was plenty left. When Patton approached Piper to surrende, surrender is not an option and they can hold of the Americans quiet some time. The Waffen SS was furious with Hitlers failure in the Ardenne and just a half day away from the Coast they knew the war is lost. Piper told Patton they have some unfinished business with the Russians which will reach the Secret Weapon manufacturing in middle East of Germany if they can’t stop the advance in Hungary. Piper was allowed to negotiate (approved from the SS, not Hitler) to offer to keep the tanks back and full functional but he can retried with all of his men , around 1,100, and cross the river Rhein to attack the Russians in Hungary . The SS will stop fighting against Patton and hold of the Russians so Patton can reach the side of the Wunderwaffen before the Russian arrive. This was done, Piper left with his 1.SS Panzer(without Panzer) and got equipped with new Panzer to stay in February 1945 operation Spring Awaking three Russian guard devisions and hold them off for Patton to get hands on the secret weapons. My father was there and he got wounded in March 1945 fighting with his panther against Russian tanks, taking out 11 T 34 in 15 minutes and two IS II . An third one was his end and hit his panther in the side. He survived he war and worked with the US after the war to equip and train an German Division at Flensburg und US Flag…..non of this is very well known and Patton had have an freaky accident…..however, Dad was there and the rest is bad history ….
BTW, funny that you claim in a completely bollocks story that your dad was with Peiper but you fail to correctly spell his name ;-)
Patton ? With Peiper ? Really ?
Learn some history, man.
Germans move with no situational awareness, in convoys no less. Not ubermensch
GOTT MIT UNS
I can imagine those German soldiers had seen plenty of dead German women children etc when clearing allied bomb damage in their cities
Yeah, so that makes killing a bunch of civilians, including children, in a country that tried to stay neutral, okay? Wehraboo much?
@@oldesertguy9616 how can belgium remain neutral where the Germans chopped off their hands in ww1 belgian babies? or does the gorge orwell institute for facts and truths of the english have their fingers in the game? england is masterly in spreading truths and facts to this day.
I’m so confused. What are we fighting about? Whether the Belgians were neutral?
Where are you at my dear friend "ACE DESTORYER "