So much fun to show everyone this technique! This kind of stuff is why I love Swiss machining!!! There’s always a cool solution to the problem! Also glad to see Bro Rogan in the video! 😂😂
Loving the swiss videos they happened to line up with one of my customers getting a swiss and asking for some help. do you know when the academy is coming out?
why didnt you just feed the bar into the endmill first with minimal clearing to the workholding to avoid chatter, then do the turning after? are interrupted cuts in brass that bad?
It was a good fix but my only concern is when you have more than one groove there is always a slight burr on one edge which can act like a high spot when against the support pushing work more towards the cutter.In this case it may not be critical but on more precise parts could be a problem.Having said that I've never used a Swiss machine so always find your videos interesting Donnie.👍
Thinking outside the box is the best skill to have in this current environment. Solving problems will get you ahead of all the other people who can not find a solution.
Calling the tool in MDI to find its location when it would otherwise be a pain working it out, is a great technique and one I use often. Great video btw, and very helpful on so many levels. You guys are great. 💪🏼👍🏻
I just retired from this industry. If you are young and have the aptitude for this kind of work, this is the time to start. All of the guys in our shop are between 45 and 63. No young people. There will be a huge demand for young CNC machinist trainees in the next 5 to 10 years. The top pay is not bad. I retired at $42 per hour and I was not at the top.
Based take. I'm gen z raised old school. I always liked figuring out how stuff goes together and I'm autistic AF (diagnosed Asperger's at 7). I started at a small precision shop about 6 months ago and it's by far the best place I've ever worked. I've tried construction, warehouse, etc. So far machining isn't a job, it's fulfilling work. The world we know is only possible thanks to machinists and I'm already proud to be a small part of it. Can't wait to learn more about how the things I mill keep the world turning.
Awesome video Donnie! It's so cool seeing a problem and then making the solution, even better when it solves everything. The testimony to giving some extra effort and making moves in the field is great advice, something everyone should look into! Bro at the end is awesome!! 🤣
When i was machining large thin disks, I figured out that fluctuating the surface speed while machining actually broke the harmonics causing surface chatter. It led to a drop in tool life but the gains in time saved during machine was more profitable.
Ran CAD drafting for 5yrs at my last job, plasma operation and drafting....now run bot forge for American Axle trying to move to the tool room to get back into drafting...these videos help always a pleasure grewt work
We done the same thing creating a cradle for turning and milling bone screws over 20 odd years ago. Before whirling heads came to be. Then when external whirling double helix just of O.D. came around.. Glad to see it used again for chatter matters.
Back a lot of years ago, I used to grind long skinny feed screws at Hardinge. I cut a similar V notch in the handle of my plastic hammer to push them into the wheel to hurry things along (already using a steadyrest). BTW, I was the person that designed Hardinge Swiss Collets and Guide Bushings, back in 1993. Also many other things at Hardinge.
I was just about to subscribe, and then noticed the 2-4 second limit on the jump cuts. The multi camera angle and incredible video quality wants me to keep watching. But the hyper jump cuts are telling me it will destroy my attention span if I binge this channel.
When cutting with a ball nose it is better to engage as many flutes as possible which is why he is cutting on an angle. Dragging would only engage about half of the flutes depending on tool diameter and cut depth
I just spent countless hours of my free time writing posts for an outdated lathe we have that we've never been able to run modern CAM on. REALLY hoping the lathe hangs in there for the next couple years making that worth while!
I recently purchased solidcam to program my L12 and it really has been great. While the post wasn't perfect right away, their support team has been very helpful in getting it just the way id like. But the other nice thing is that it's pretty easy to understand the post and change it yourself when needed. I just wish there were 1 or 2 things I could do, but it's rather minor stuff or stuff specific to the citizen swiss lathes
Do both Axis (X1,X2) have a milling head? If thats the Case, can you mill the Slots at the Same time with both Axis simultaniusly. So the forces are equal at both Sides. If the part has a round number of Slots😅 But what machine has two milling heads especially on a lathe
Great video! I was happy to hear that it can be simpler to deburr on a bench grinder instead of some crazy 5AX movement hahah. And writing your own post? Kudos!
I'm not really a swiss guy, and I get the point of this video is to demo this specific solution, but why not take more advantage of the guide bushing in this application and keep the endmill in as close to the guide as possible while working in sections? In other words, why feed the tool gang in Z when you can just feed the bar in Z and keep you tool in close?
he had to cut 4 slots you'd have to feed a little by little and rotate 4 times these guys want speed to make $$ so this was probably faster in the long run..
now.. if you want something similar but for turning. you could make another v shaped tool. but this time put some bearings on it. and now you got a support for turning applications.
Man that extra little bit of distance to keep the steadyrest firm against the part, enough to support it but not bend that long/narrow part is where the magic is. I guess you'd eyeball it? Dunno
I've been teaching myself for a few weeks now how to model and run tool paths used onshape and fusion sofar both have good and bad to them but it's been a ride I'll tell you that but I impressed someone that runs there own knife company I hope he will hire me one day
A friend of mine put an accelerometer on his cancer mill, a bit of software to process the data, then the output modulated the spindle speed. No more chatter…
I just watched a video from tornos about this swiss deco where they made a very similar part, instead of a steady rest they had a centre in one of the tool slots of the front turret/gang. Was this not something you considered? It was for the same process of slot milling down the side and it had the same outcome, removing the chatter. Im not saying its a better option, im just curious
I was using a pin router when I was young and I was holding onto the part, the tool drug me in to the cutter and I have chatter mark scars on my thumb.
Not a machinist here, but I'm confused. Isn't the whole point of a Swiss lathe to machine the part right at the bushing, in 25mm sections? The travelling steady is doing the same job the bushing would normally do.
I'm also not a machinist but I think the reason is that once you've reduced the outer diameter, you are limited by how much you can retract the stock and still have it properly supported in the guide bush.
@@JamesValentineKohera that's true, but I think in one of their screw videos, they show the process of machining the raw stock to final geometry in 1 inch segments so they don't ever have to retract the bar beyond the bushing.
my problem is that i would love to do this work. MY OWN work. i would hate to work for someone doing this. the work is verry interesting. i just don't want to HAVE to get up every morning. i just wanna come in when i want to. and if it's a project of my own that i want to finish. you can bet your ass that i want to come in. if i am just filling my hours, i will be depressed every single morning. (ps this is the exact line of work i have gone to school for and have been doing for the past 15-20 years. just not in this capacity. everything is too locked down. established products with established tooling. never have to write any programs. never have to problem solve. just produce produce produce.. this is why i am switching to another proffession. i'd have to move to find a company where i can enjoy the work. and i am not moving.)
Yup, EVERY job requires that extra touch of studying at home, after work. It's called "dedication" and it pays off - either now or later; on this job or another one. One should ALWAYS be on the "cutting edge", or beyond it. That always means extra studying. If you're not up to extra studying then choose a field that you love enough to do extra studying for. Also, choose a field wherein you never work - you love it so much that it's just enjoyable playtime, for you; that you serendipitously get PAID for. 😊
It's really hard to see what you're working with because the video is so highly edited but if you have an actual turret in the machine just use spring loaded live center. They're like $1200 or maybe evem less from Royal.
@@payforwin6697 It looks like there's already a center in the end of the part, you can also request the customer to allow for one. Also, you can use the live center for many other parts, not just this one and in other machines. I highly doubt cost is an issue as this machine alone probably cost a million dollars not including that Kennametal quick change tooling system.
@@CNCMatrix you buy the machine bc that’s your business and the kennametal tollchanher is for faster cycling time to reduce cost. While the Liveübertragung is just for this. You are right abt the center in the part but that doesn’t go for every part and asking the costumer is time (which is money) you don’t want to waste. So you need bigger stock etc. Why not let them build that and safe time and money?
@@CNCMatrix it does but like the kennametal toolchanger it will safe time and money. I’m not saying that a live center is bad or that you don’t need one but for pieces like this (without a centerhole) it works just fine Annis a smart idea
So much fun to show everyone this technique! This kind of stuff is why I love Swiss machining!!! There’s always a cool solution to the problem! Also glad to see Bro Rogan in the video! 😂😂
Loving the swiss videos they happened to line up with one of my customers getting a swiss and asking for some help. do you know when the academy is coming out?
why didnt you just feed the bar into the endmill first with minimal clearing to the workholding to avoid chatter, then do the turning after? are interrupted cuts in brass that bad?
Who makes that brush you used?
It was a good fix but my only concern is when you have more than one groove there is always a slight burr on one edge which can act like a high spot when against the support pushing work more towards the cutter.In this case it may not be critical but on more precise parts could be a problem.Having said that I've never used a Swiss machine
so always find your videos interesting Donnie.👍
@@BplusJequalsFire around September
Surprised Barry didn't show up at the mention of chatter in the part, love the swiss videos, keep them coming!
Oh if there's chatter, Im always around LOL
Барри не только болтает, но и делает чипсы, много чипсов.
- «Пора делать чипсы!» 👉
Титаны - вы клёвые ребята!
@@barrysetzer It's no surprise.🤣🤣🤣
I always enjoy your machining videos. They're like the "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" for all of us hobby machinists.
Simple yet effective solution! Never a dull moment in the Swiss department. Cool video, Donnie!
Thinking outside the box is the best skill to have in this current environment. Solving problems will get you ahead of all the other people who can not find a solution.
I've been watching for a decade now. It's just amazing how far you guys have come. My favorite source of cnc info then and now.
Thats what makes this job fun, every day is different.
Calling the tool in MDI to find its location when it would otherwise be a pain working it out, is a great technique and one I use often.
Great video btw, and very helpful on so many levels. You guys are great. 💪🏼👍🏻
Who cares about the tool. WHAT DOES THE "FUN TIME" BUTTON DO?!?!?!?!?!? I NEED TO KNOW!
Great video Donnie showing how awesome those Swiss machines are!
Good video Donnie, way to think outside the box and solve a problem quickly and effectively! Nice editing Corey!
I just retired from this industry. If you are young and have the aptitude for this kind of work, this is the time to start. All of the guys in our shop are between 45 and 63. No young people. There will be a huge demand for young CNC machinist trainees in the next 5 to 10 years. The top pay is not bad. I retired at $42 per hour and I was not at the top.
Based take. I'm gen z raised old school. I always liked figuring out how stuff goes together and I'm autistic AF (diagnosed Asperger's at 7). I started at a small precision shop about 6 months ago and it's by far the best place I've ever worked. I've tried construction, warehouse, etc. So far machining isn't a job, it's fulfilling work. The world we know is only possible thanks to machinists and I'm already proud to be a small part of it. Can't wait to learn more about how the things I mill keep the world turning.
Look that surface finish! Very creative solution, Donnie!
Watching this channel warmths my heart. ❤
Still waiting for more Syil X5 videos! 💪
Awesome video Donnie! It's so cool seeing a problem and then making the solution, even better when it solves everything. The testimony to giving some extra effort and making moves in the field is great advice, something everyone should look into! Bro at the end is awesome!! 🤣
Outstanding video! New tech using old school fix. Some things never change. You are one smart young man. Wish you all the best.
When i was machining large thin disks, I figured out that fluctuating the surface speed while machining actually broke the harmonics causing surface chatter. It led to a drop in tool life but the gains in time saved during machine was more profitable.
Ran CAD drafting for 5yrs at my last job, plasma operation and drafting....now run bot forge for American Axle trying to move to the tool room to get back into drafting...these videos help always a pleasure grewt work
love to see Donnie videos! Really hope you could do more cool macro stuff in the future!:)
Freaking cool Donnie, excellent video!
Thanks man! Much appreciated
We done the same thing creating a cradle for turning and milling bone screws over 20 odd years ago. Before whirling heads came to be. Then when external whirling double helix just of O.D. came around.. Glad to see it used again for chatter matters.
Been a Manufacturing Eng. for over 45yrs, Titan is the best source for difficult machining solutions I've ever seen.
Dont you love it when you have an idea for machining a part and it works flawlessly
That is a very creative way to put that steady rest in the correct spot, and on a Swiss, that’s a first for me
A great solution to remember when I run into a like problem, thanks for sharing.
Back a lot of years ago, I used to grind long skinny feed screws at Hardinge. I cut a similar V notch in the handle of my plastic hammer to push them into the wheel to hurry things along (already using a steadyrest).
BTW, I was the person that designed Hardinge Swiss Collets and Guide Bushings, back in 1993. Also many other things at Hardinge.
I was just about to subscribe, and then noticed the 2-4 second limit on the jump cuts.
The multi camera angle and incredible video quality wants me to keep watching.
But the hyper jump cuts are telling me it will destroy my attention span if I binge this channel.
Could you have draged the ball nose endmill instead of pushing it? Cut with the outside in stead of the center?
When cutting with a ball nose it is better to engage as many flutes as possible which is why he is cutting on an angle. Dragging would only engage about half of the flutes depending on tool diameter and cut depth
Absolutely beautiful, I miss school. I so want to get back into machining
I just spent countless hours of my free time writing posts for an outdated lathe we have that we've never been able to run modern CAM on. REALLY hoping the lathe hangs in there for the next couple years making that worth while!
I recently purchased solidcam to program my L12 and it really has been great. While the post wasn't perfect right away, their support team has been very helpful in getting it just the way id like. But the other nice thing is that it's pretty easy to understand the post and change it yourself when needed. I just wish there were 1 or 2 things I could do, but it's rather minor stuff or stuff specific to the citizen swiss lathes
What’s up? I know the Cincom machines well. Is there anything I can do to help?
Do both Axis (X1,X2) have a milling head? If thats the Case, can you mill the Slots at the Same time with both Axis simultaniusly. So the forces are equal at both Sides.
If the part has a round number of Slots😅
But what machine has two milling heads especially on a lathe
Pretty slick and nice job on the post.
Thinking outside the box Donnie! Nice work! Love the B axis work😎 Also cute puppy
Great video! I was happy to hear that it can be simpler to deburr on a bench grinder instead of some crazy 5AX movement hahah.
And writing your own post? Kudos!
You guys have some awesome machines and do solid work ! We to Texas .
Donnie is incredible 🙌
Absolute legend 💯
I'm not really a swiss guy, and I get the point of this video is to demo this specific solution, but why not take more advantage of the guide bushing in this application and keep the endmill in as close to the guide as possible while working in sections? In other words, why feed the tool gang in Z when you can just feed the bar in Z and keep you tool in close?
he had to cut 4 slots you'd have to feed a little by little and rotate 4 times these guys want speed to make $$ so this was probably faster in the long run..
@@m.f7979 time is $$$
now..
if you want something similar but for turning.
you could make another v shaped tool. but this time put some bearings on it.
and now you got a support for turning applications.
Man that extra little bit of distance to keep the steadyrest firm against the part, enough to support it but not bend that long/narrow part is where the magic is. I guess you'd eyeball it? Dunno
I guess that machine doesn't have a live center, or it would get in the way. IDK I've never used that machine.
how do you decide when it's time to burn an industry partner and exchange them for other one?
Fun video Donnie and loved Bro Rogan at the end there! Beautiful shots as usual Corey! You guys rule
I've been teaching myself for a few weeks now how to model and run tool paths used onshape and fusion sofar both have good and bad to them but it's been a ride I'll tell you that but I impressed someone that runs there own knife company I hope he will hire me one day
wouldn't you need a y offset to bring the v to centerline? I like it, its a good stand in for when you cant get the sub over to support
Is that brush a standard tool, or something you made?
That looked like a NamPower brush. They work great, you should check them out!
Solving problems! Love it 👍
1:25 man that's a slick tool change
A friend of mine put an accelerometer on his cancer mill, a bit of software to process the data, then the output modulated the spindle speed. No more chatter…
Amazing videos guys, is there a way of milling internal hex recess (not broaching or Edm). Again amazing videos.
Good stuff!
hello donnie,
you make great videos.
You can also create a 5-axis simultaneous or an impeller with the Swiss Deco ?
the method of clamping the aluminum in the vice is quite at the "limit" :D
Would a tailstock loaded in the lower work aswell?
Dig that you wrote your own post. How what the process for you. Thats the kind of thing I'm interested in doing.
Are Solidcam basic tutorials coming❤❤
The first pass surface wasn't good, but it was beautiful. Thanks for a very good video 👍
I just watched a video from tornos about this swiss deco where they made a very similar part, instead of a steady rest they had a centre in one of the tool slots of the front turret/gang. Was this not something you considered? It was for the same process of slot milling down the side and it had the same outcome, removing the chatter.
Im not saying its a better option, im just curious
you were worried about chatter yet milled a piece suspended in air sticking out 12 inches from your vise lol
Perfect job!
Was that a puppy at the end of the video?
How can you not introduce us to the puppy 😂
Yes that’s Bro Rogan. He’s our new Swiss department lead
Couldn't you make those slotting operation before reducing part diameter thou?
nice approach. thank you for this one.
could you guys machine the rods of a quadrupole mass filter for a massspectrometer?
The one thing different I would have done is use the actual profile of the component for profile of the steadyrest.
I would like to learn more about the post processor myself. I'm just guessing but is it wrote in python?
What does the "FUN TIME" program do?
I was using a pin router when I was young and I was holding onto the part, the tool drug me in to the cutter and I have chatter mark scars on my thumb.
With the price of brass, why are you starting with stock way larger in diameter than your finished piece.?
Not a machinist here, but I'm confused. Isn't the whole point of a Swiss lathe to machine the part right at the bushing, in 25mm sections? The travelling steady is doing the same job the bushing would normally do.
I'm also not a machinist but I think the reason is that once you've reduced the outer diameter, you are limited by how much you can retract the stock and still have it properly supported in the guide bush.
@@JamesValentineKohera that's true, but I think in one of their screw videos, they show the process of machining the raw stock to final geometry in 1 inch segments so they don't ever have to retract the bar beyond the bushing.
Just curious, would pushing on the part like that cause the endmill to cut deeper into the material?
if you watch again he adjusts for it in his program
Where can I get the brushes used to clean the aluminum
Hey @atejada320 it looked like a NamPower Brush
@@EverythingPrinted nice I'll look into it thank you
Can anyone give me suggestions on how to mass-produce such shiny and bright parts so that when they fall, they won't get chipped or scratched?
Wild to see guys who wouldn’t seem to be tat-guys getting tats.
Mill then turn?
Teflon coat the steady . Nothing sticks 2 Teflon does it Donnie? Titans of Cnc keep on BOOMING on
Nice solution, but perhaps if it was sprung it would be easier to get a good pressure?
Try to mill from both sides
You are so smart , by the way solidcam is the best
Man for a one off that simple it'd be faster in a Bridgeport no?
No more chadder, Barry done ett it.
Things have come along way since B&S screw machines 🤣
my problem is that i would love to do this work.
MY OWN work.
i would hate to work for someone doing this.
the work is verry interesting. i just don't want to HAVE to get up every morning. i just wanna come in when i want to.
and if it's a project of my own that i want to finish. you can bet your ass that i want to come in.
if i am just filling my hours, i will be depressed every single morning.
(ps this is the exact line of work i have gone to school for and have been doing for the past 15-20 years. just not in this capacity. everything is too locked down. established products with established tooling. never have to write any programs. never have to problem solve. just produce produce produce.. this is why i am switching to another proffession. i'd have to move to find a company where i can enjoy the work. and i am not moving.)
SWISS ACADEMY!? oh yeah 👍
Yup, EVERY job requires that extra touch of studying at home, after work.
It's called "dedication" and it pays off - either now or later; on this job or another one.
One should ALWAYS be on the "cutting edge", or beyond it. That always means extra studying.
If you're not up to extra studying then choose a field that you love enough to do extra studying for.
Also, choose a field wherein you never work - you love it so much that it's just enjoyable playtime, for you; that you serendipitously get PAID for. 😊
It's really hard to see what you're working with because the video is so highly edited but if you have an actual turret in the machine just use spring loaded live center. They're like $1200 or maybe evem less from Royal.
You need a spot drilled hole for that which you have to turn down later. This is way simpler faster and cost effective than your method
@@payforwin6697 It looks like there's already a center in the end of the part, you can also request the customer to allow for one. Also, you can use the live center for many other parts, not just this one and in other machines. I highly doubt cost is an issue as this machine alone probably cost a million dollars not including that Kennametal quick change tooling system.
@@CNCMatrix you buy the machine bc that’s your business and the kennametal tollchanher is for faster cycling time to reduce cost. While the Liveübertragung is just for this. You are right abt the center in the part but that doesn’t go for every part and asking the costumer is time (which is money) you don’t want to waste. So you need bigger stock etc. Why not let them build that and safe time and money?
@@payforwin6697 So you're telling me paying a machinist to make this doesn't cost time and money?
@@CNCMatrix it does but like the kennametal toolchanger it will safe time and money. I’m not saying that a live center is bad or that you don’t need one but for pieces like this (without a centerhole) it works just fine Annis a smart idea
Need open source cnc machine project ❤
Barry and his signature chatter pattern. It would pass. 😂😂😂 JK.
5/8's of what. Can you use real units?
Inch. ⅝ of 25.4mm = 16mm.
all that chatter at the start i thought this was a Barry video :P
tbh, some of the chatter is weirdly aesthetically appealing.
Sandpaper obscures all flaws
how about just taking a lighter cut?
I take it there’s no option for a tailstock on this machine.
No because he made a tool to be a tailstock
Solução muito inteligente
well that worked well..
How much does the Tornos marketing dept pay you ? 😃
1000 IQ this guy
Ok I give u guys a lot of crap sumtimes but this is a legit good idea.
Everything about this video is wonderful except it should be in milimetres 😁