I am very happy that lately Dr Marshall is posting more videos on theology and scripture. This was what drew me to him long ago and really is what he does best!
Absolutely Marshall in his wheelhouse. Hearing about the next scandalous thing some cardinal or the pope did does get exhausting after a while. It’s important to be aware of and have a sober perspective on, but learning more about the Faith is far and away more enriching.
If fallen angels had copulated with women, then how about Our Lord's word that angels do not marry or be married (Mat.22:30)??? Please Dr. Taylor Marshall, ANSWER THIS before you make further confusion.
Our Lord never said, "that angels do not marry or be married (Mat.22:30)" please re-read that verse and focus on Jesus' specificity, His emphasis, His qualifying terms.
@@KenAmmi-Shalom Implicitly He CLEARLY said that! "For in the resurrection they shall neither marry nor be married; but SHALL BE AS THE ANGELS of God in heaven." So.. angels do not marry or be married. As simple as that.
@@CRUSNET Friend, you missed Jesus' words, His emphasis, His qualifying terms, His meaning, His teaching since, as you quoted it, He specifically referred to, "ANGELS of God in heaven": thus, the loyal ones. Such is why those who did marry are considered sinners, having "left their first estate," as Jude put it.
Jehovah God created humans to live on the earth and to sudue and fulfil it. The angels were created before humans and their place and realm is heaven. Angels are neither male or female, they are sexless. The Bible explains that the spiritual sons of God looked down on the earth and noted that the daughters of man and look they were beautiful so they made for themselves as angels did in those times, fleshly physical bodies and took whatever woman they wanted and lay with them. The angels thereby forsook their natural dwelling place and came to earth without permission and engaged unnatural and perverse sexual intercourse with humans. They were angels and we are humans so they wilfully disobeyed God and joined Satan in rebellion and they like Satan are reserved for destruction in the future. Although I am not the person you asked your questions to, I hope that I have been able to answer it? I have been abible student all my life and I feel it important to share Bible truths with everyone 🙏
No. Not Catholic, and as he said, not charismatic. But boy, he could explain everything so plainly. I try listen to him everyday from his teaching, even now that he is has passed recently.
I grew up in a partly Catholic, partly Moravian (proto-protestant) household. Both sides were very devout and I grew up in both churches, but I wasn't baptized into either tradition, as they wanted to leave the decision up to me. I remember this entire topic causing a huge crisis of faith for me. I eventually decided to get baptized at 13 into the Moravian tradition, and was thereafter obligated to read the entire Bible. When I reached Genesis 6 and read about the "Sons of God" coming into the "daughters of man" and producing giants, it caused me to steer off into a rather esoteric new-age ancient-aliens way of thinking. Around 7 years later, reading Michael Heiser's work as well as Enoch cleared a lot of things up for me and slowly steered me back to Christianity.
Excellent summary of the history of the Giants. Two questions: 1: How is it possible for angels to have sexual relations with human women since angels are neither male nor female? Can they transform themselves to have male sex organs? 2. How do we explain the existance of giants at the time of Saul and David (Book of Numbers) if they were destroyed at the time of the flood?
For your first question I assume either God allowed the devils to have more power and take a form that simulates a human male or that God allowed them to use the womens’ bodies to aid them in making a creature that is not of God but would be inherently evil. One possible way they could do that might be to clone the woman and put it in her own womb and then modify the genetics of the clone to be like a giant human.
I do believe Angel's are asexual so that the only plausible explanation producing hybrid nephelims is through cloning because these fallen angels are superbly intelligent beings.
As for point 1 I think that's best kept for remembrance. For point 2 the Scriptures might be more clear than that Genesis 6:4 NASB95 - The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, AND ALSO AFTERWARD, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. could be a reference of the flood to follow perhaps?
The two points I like to highlight is the concepts of dinosaurs existing before the flood and the story of David and Goliath. The need for giants existing during the time of the dinosaurs is something to consider.
1 Hebrews 5 For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
@@sleepystar1638 The term bene elohim = sons of god appears in the old testament many times and virtually every single time it refers to supernatural / angelic beings either loyal or in defiance to the creator. Sometimes these beings are even called Elohim (Mighty ones or little g gods). Adam is also called son of God in Genesis because he has no human father but is directly created by God. In the same manner angelic beings are called sons of God in the Old Testament because they are directly created by God. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God though, speaking of the incarnation, born into the world as human, begotten by the Father. That is what the verse is refering to. In the NT born again followers of Jesus after having received the Holy Spirit are also called Sons of God and are in a sense already siblings to Jesus who is the firstborn of this new "family of God" in the world to come. These saints are said in the book of Revelation to rule as kings and priests in the millenium under Jesus as the king of kings. They are called the sons of god even before receiving their changed supernatural body in the same manner Jesus said that the Kingdom of God is already among us even before the resurrection. But in fullness the term Sons of God is fitting for the transformed Saints who have received their supernatural bodies ("oikētērion" - 2Cor 5:2) at the Ressurrection of the Saints and are therefore akin to the angels (Sons of God) who are also clothed in oikētērion (Jude 1:6).
@wallsign4575 Not sure what you were getting at, but let me say this; after studying much on the topic of the Nephilim, I now believe that dinosaurs were a result of genetic manipulation. Maybe not all, some like the brontosaurus may have been created by God. (A brontosaurus may have been the behemoth in Job.) Enoch tells how the Nephilim were perverting all of creation. This may explain why so many dinosaurs seem monstrous and bloodthirsty? Some associated thoughts: Would God really have created a Tyrannosaurus rex or an Allosaurus to terrorize mankind?; If ancient genetic manipulation wasn’t possible, why would God warn against mixing different kinds of animals several times in the bible? Perhaps their evil, corrupt origin is why there are no dinosaurs on the ark or afterwards.
@@DH-qp2gy once again the book of Enoch says they were 450ft tall, which is impossible. You love mystery and wonder more than truth. Catholicism has already anathematizes anyone who believes in evolution anyways. So consider yourself go to hell.
I was born and raised Catholic, went to Catholic school most of my childhood. How is it that I was never taught any of this,? Thank you sir for sharing your knowledge. 🙏
Because we grew up under the Vatican ll Catholic Church. They never even spoke about spiritual warfare with us, which I’ve just recently discovered. All they did was obsessively talk about fornication with us. Understanding spiritual warfare earlier in life, would have saved me a lot of heartache, that’s for sure.
Because just as in the days of Jesus, there were and are religious leaders who are more interested in the power and control of the people as well as the financial incentives to keep people under their thumb.
Same here…whatever question I asked I was told “it’s a mystery and not for us to know” Who was I to challenge a priest or nun? As it is, I became a Baptist, abut 45 years ago, but it wasn’t until a few years ago I learned these beings existed. At least Dr Marshall gave us the gift of the video…yet I still have questions, because of the different theologian’s writings, and their beliefs. I understand Dr Marshall’s reasoning, because of all of us who he reaches. He has to touch bases to let us understand there is NOT any clear and concise way to know the facts until He wills it for us to know. THAT is something I can accept.
I am so grateful to Dr Marshall for making this video. You always amaze me with your attention to detail and the fact that you are able to always give your own unique perspective. I have been intrigued by Heiser’s view for a long time and I have been dissappointed that many prominent Catholic Bible scholars don’t comment on it very much.
We wrestle not against Flesh and Blood but against Principalities against powers against the Rulers of this world against Spiritual Wickedness in high places.
They talk about giants (Nephalim) from time to time on Coast to Coast AM. Top guests on this subject are Steve Quayle and LA Marzulli. Thank you for talking about it from a Catholic perspective.
1 Hebrews 5 For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
1 Hebrews 5 For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
Refreshing how you bring the truth as a teacher Dr. Marshall! We all have an innate sense of what rings as truth and it is up to every soul here on this Earth plane to use our God-given discernment. Thank you for putting the various interpretations out there for each of us to add to or remove from the overall puzzle to our past. There will be a day when all is revealed and thank you for bringing us closer to that point!
Dr. Marshall, I had a good friend who use to always question why the book of Enoch wasn’t in the Bible. When he died several years ago we have joked that he is still arguing with St. Peter why Enoch isn’t in the Bible. Great explanation by the way!
1 Hebrews 5 For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
The modern Catholic Church no longer talks about this stuff. Doesn't talk about the End Times. None of it. The Challoner Douay-Reims Bible notes talk about them matter-of-factly....because they were. Largest, on record, giant skeletons found in North America were both 18 footers. One in West Hickory, PA and the other Austin, TX. Late 1800's, early 1900's. The Timucua Native American tribe that was discovered by Spanish explorers on Jekyll Island were all 8-9ft tall, including the women! They had Middle Eastern style recurve bows. They had a carved stone altar (that appeared to have been there since ancient times) that they would hack up and sacrifice babies over which the explorers made note of (a practice by the Canaanites, etc) and quickly left in fear (they didn't have enough men) towards Florida where they founded St. Augustine. "[...Francisco Pizarro and his company] arrived at Puerto Viejo, and to Santa Helena, where they saw a large quantity of bones of giants, that according to their proportion, were 20 palms [approximately 15 ft] tall." ~ Antonio de la Calancha. Augustinian monk & anthropologist. "The Moral Chronical of the Order of Saint Augustine in Peru, 1663" Supposedly, up to and during the time of Christ, Israel had a "museum" of sorts where they had many giant bones and skeletons on display for those entering the Holy Land (as a testament to the truthfulness of the Biblical Scriptures). I believe Josephus mentions this but I forget on this one. A great intro book for skeptics on the topic is: "Giants on Record: America's Hidden History, Secrets in the Mounds, and the Smithsonian Files" by Jim Vieira and Hugh Newman
@Sleepy Star Common Enoch mistranslation that has been addressed by other folks. I believe the verse in question is Enoch 7:3 commonly translated close to: "And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells..." Alternate rendering: "And the women became pregnant, and there were born unto them three sorts, the first were great giants, and to the giants were born nephilim, and to the nephilim were born elioud." Each successive generation being smaller. It's theorized 1st generation were 30-50 ft tall. (There is a medieval historical record find of a giant skeleton in Europe measured at 36ft. The skeleton, being so ancient, quickly disintegrated upon exposure to the fresh air). 2nd generation would be around 18-20ft. (Two largest skeletons on record found in North America were 18 footers. West Hickory, PA and Austin, TX) 3rd generation (Goliath Brothers generation) from 8-15ft. Goliath Brothers, Og, etc
@@pennsyltuckyreb9800 no i meant in enoch they use cubits as the measurement just like in the Bible.
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You have no idea how happy I am to hear a Catholic scholar as yourself explain these things. I read the book of Enoch after watching Noah’s movie with Russell Crowe. I did not know anything about Gn 6 until I questioned the ancestors of the “Transformers” 😂 in that movie. My grandfather who was a self proclaimed atheist talked to me about these giants…I thought later on in my life that he might have been talking Greek to me…😊I was only seven years old. Thank you Dr. Marshall for taking the time to teach and clarify Catholics about these things. I think that if Saint Augustine had access to the books of Enoch, he would have kept the oral tradition and written tradition from St Peter, St Jude, and the fathers of the Church and Saints who went along with the story of the 200 hundred fallen angels. God bless you and your family!
I read a creation legend that contends that Adam, having the entire genetic code within him of the human race, was virtually perfect, and 124 ft tall. Eve was apparently, 118 ft tall. When God willing we arrive happily in heaven, there is so much to learn and many answers to be given. Isn't that a joyful thought!
The Lord of Spirits (Orthodox) Radio show lays this out pretty nicely, Christians of all denominations are increasingly subscribing to this view. As this watcher pattern repeats itself through history and in the church I think this is a valid way of interpreting scripture.
@@blankblank8292 it is sorta all of them. But I would say that first couple of episodes lead nicely to the Halloween episode Giants, that show has it all.
1 Hebrews 5 For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
@@sleepystar1638 Jesus is The Son of God, it doesn't say God did not have other sons. Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also ... Psalm 82 A psalm of Asaph. 1 God presides in the great assembly; he renders judgment among the “gods”: 2 “How long will you[a] defend the unjust and show partiality to the wicked?[b] 3 Defend the weak and the fatherless; uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed. 4 Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked. 5 “The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing. They walk about in darkness; all the foundations of the earth are shaken. 6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’ 7 But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.” 8 Rise up, O God, judge the earth, for all the nations are your inheritance
I think that believing that the Nephalim are fallen Angels contradicts basic Catholic teaching that angels chose definitively to either stay with God or turn from God before the creation of man.
Well The Catholic Exorcist I have seen on TH-cam say that the Demons are Fallen Angels. It’s not against Church Teaching, but Damned Half Breeds are also demons in there own right. We have no idea what’s really going on at a level past our human conception with the blockage of sin keeping us from experiencing the full range of reality. A.K.A we only see within a 3 dimensional Plane
Your message on Enoch is the best I have ever heard. Most other people misunderstand what it says. You have hit the nail on the head Thanks for the message
1 Hebrews 5 For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
I watched a documentary on this…and I believe Dr. Heiser was one of the main theologians doing the documentary. Anyway, it was stated in this documentary that the “Watchers” had not only bred human women…but they were also cross-breeding with animals 🦅 🦚🐑, thus changing the DNA of nearly all of God’s Earthly creations….creating complete abominations. I can totally understand why God ✝️ had to “wipe the slate clean” so to speak. Makes total sense imho.
1 Hebrews 5 For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
I could see that. History is currently repeating itself. The Chinese have been trying to combine human DNA with animals DNA for a while. So I don't think it's to far fetched
The Book of Enoch makes so much sense and even the verse we know well (Genesis 5:24) is revealing; “Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him” is a very powerful statement! Also, the Book of Enoch was lost for western Christianity (perhaps on purpose), however it was never lost for Ethiopian Christianity, which has preserved a lot of originality and has preserved to be an genuine and truthful source of information about our distant past. Ethiopian Christianity is true gem: either inside Ethiopian Catholic or Coptic Church!!!
Extremely interesting. At one time, when I was a Buddhist, I came across teachings in the ancient Buddhist tradition, which taught of a time when men were taller and lived longer then men today. The story of the flood and existence prior to it, is a widespread belief, which gives credence to the Book Of Genesis.
1 Hebrews 5 For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
@L A lol yeah a book by a man outside of scripture is gonna tell me what scripture says. God has never Called Angels his sons, you go ahead and reject this verse.
Michael Heiser, God rest his soul, is one of the chief protestant scholars that pushed me back into catholicism. especially in his divine council worldview.
Very interesting topic and an excellent explanation of the Nephilim Dr. Marshall. There is a well known story about a Giant that was discovered by the U.S. military during the Afghanistan campaign known as the Giant of Kandahar. They have even interviewed one of the soldiers that encountered this Giant. This soldier claimed that his unit was sent out to find and locate a unit that went missing. He describes how his unit discovered human bones and military equipment and clothing outside the entrance to a mouth of a particular cave and this Giant runs out of this cave with a shield and a spear and it apparently speared one of the soldiers and was trying to kill the others. He said this Giant was massive and was moving with such great speed and strength that something that big shouldn't be able to move that fast. They eventually killed this Giant by shooting it in the face. He claimed they shot it in the body but it didn't seem to do any damage. Once killed the U.S. military flew out these huge helicopters to scoop this thing up. Apparently they measured this Giant who turned out to be 12 feet tall and weighing around 1200 pounds I believe if I remember correctly. He claims the Smithsonian took the Giant away never to be seen again. This was so that to keep the Darwinian narrative alive. The elites know that the Biblical narrative is real and having proof of the Giants would destroy the Darwinian narrative according to the Christian, historian and archeologist LA Marzulli who is the man that interviews this soldier. The interview is on youtube. Scripture talks about how it will be like in the days of Noah.
There is a large Afghan diaspora in Toronto where I live, it is known and within their folklore of the existence of fallen angel giants who dwell in caves of the remote highland mountain regions.
In this day and age you would think one of the soldiers would have captured a photo. For years I believed in the possibility of “Bigfoot” due to all the testimonies out there. And yet, to this day, we don’t have any real evidence (skeleton). I find the story interesting but lacking in hard evidence. Besides it seems the flood from God would have eliminated all life except the passengers of the Ark.
1 Hebrews 5 For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
@@DH-qp2gy Job 1 1There was a man in the land of Hus, whose name was Job, and that man was simple and upright, and fearing God, and avoiding evil. 2And there were born to him seven sons and three daughters. 3And his possession was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a family exceeding great: and this man was great among all the people of the east. 4And his sons went, and made a feast by houses every one in his day. And sending they called their three sisters to eat and drink with them. 5And when the days of their feasting were gone about, Job sent to them, and sanctified them: and rising up early offered holocausts for every one of them. For he said: Lest perhaps my sons have sinned, and have blessed God in their hearts. So did Job all days. 6Now on a certain day when the sons of God came to stand before the Lord, Satan also was present among them.
@@DH-qp2gy Job 2 1And it came to pass, when on a certain day the sons of God came, and stood before the Lord, and Satan came among them, and stood in his sight, 2That the Lord said to Satan: Whence comest thou ? And he answered and said: I have gone round about the earth, and walked through it
@@DH-qp2gy Job 38 7When the morning stars praised me together, and all the sons of God made a joyful melody? If the stars are angels who are the sons of God?
All is vanity do not be deceived with the tradition of men. And thanks for the true word of the Almighty praise his Holy name. May he continue to bless all who call on the name of the Lord.
Thank you Dr Marshall I have always pondered this. I think if the Dead Sea Scrolls been discovered earlier the explanation in Enoch would’ve been more widely believed. As for me I think it’s not symbolic but was truly real. Keep going Dr Marshall.. you’re a blessing!
According to the visions of Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich (which I would highly recommend to anyone who hasn't yet read them already) the story about the Watchers copulating with humans and producing superhuman offspring happened literally, so I think it was most likely real as well.
@@TF80s remember two angel went into Sordom, and the men wanted to have sex with them, Justin Martyr and Irenaeus and many others early church fathers believe this as well
I wonder what Fr. Ripperger would have to say on this topic. While I’m open to admitting the truth of this matter, what becomes of our tradition that the angels fell at the first exercise of their will?
I'm uncertain as to how that conflicts? Regardless of when they fell, Genesis tells us, they fell to earth & took the wives of rhwir choosing. I'm not sure why people can't read it as it is. It's pretty plain.
You nailed it Dr Taylor but this subject goes deeper. Please more talks on Genesis 6 topic. Also Fatma, Garabandal Spain, and Medjugorje. All great topics and very important for humanity. God bless you and your family in Jesus name 🙏
1 Hebrews 5 For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
@@sleepystar1638 check out the book of Job 1: 6 2: 1 38: 7 only in the new testament that reference is made reborn through Christ. Dr Chuck Missler watch his videos on Genesis. Also get your references from the Suptuagint (LXX)
agreed. not enough people talk about neither fatima nor medjugorje. nor the seriousness of why God deemed it necessary to send the Virgin Mary to appear on earth
1 Hebrews 5 For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
Dr Marshall ,I am at AW, I always herd of some stuff like that but never looked in to it .I read my Bible after but I never looked into the Bible or books we were not taught about . This is so awesome learning this at my age 82, i did not move away from my I pad. 😮Thank you so much , I watch you every day when you are on I-have learned so much so I do not want to miss your streams. Thank you so much please keep your show going I have learned more in this past 3 years then in all my life. God Bless you Always .
Thank you Dr. Marshall. I couldn't understand Genesis 6 and didn't want to read it. Now this chapter is understandable and logical. God bless you and your work.
1 Hebrews 5 For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
I used to be Catholic and then I realized that the higher-ups at the Vatican are amongst the most crooked people in the world. They are only interested in power money controlling you. I was born a Catholic and then when I realized what was going on I left and sought out real Christians who's only priority was to Worship the Lord and spread his word and nothing else. It was about the knowledge and everything instead of concealing it from you a manipulating you like a Catholic Church does
1 Hebrews 5 For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
I'm still at a loss as an angel is a spiritual being. Without matter. So how can they breed a woman who is made of matter? God of course can sent His Holy Spirit upon Mary but there is no reference to demons having that ability?
1 Hebrews 5 For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
@@catholicchannel3310 . Yeah im sure it is. But why would you care, since Christ fulfilled the law, and is dead set against relics and icons? oh yeah, Catholic..
Im fascinated by ancient giants and how the half man/half deity story is found in so many cultures. What isn't as clear is the rephiam. Which my understanding is they are the post flood giants. This is what the spies would've seen or any skeletons found wouldve been descendants of.
Disclaimer: I'm really slow when it comes to understanding most things. So , here goes... How does a pure spiritual being, e.g., a fallen angel, physically impart male dna to a women to produce a baby?
This exact question has always been my hang-up to this story as well, and I have never heard a convincing explanation. There might be a good & valid explanation out there somewhere, and I'm certainly open-minded enough to consider it, but I have yet to able to find a convincing one.
A demonic sex ritual involving possessed male and female participants and demons together. That would produce real babies that are likely possessed as well. This would also explain God sending the Flood since this would be the epitome of perversion of the human race.
Check out Genesis 18 and 19. Angels took the form of men in these chapters. If they were only spiritual beings, how did they physically consume food with Abraham and physically pull Lot back into the house when visiting Sodom before it’s destruction? Check out The Unseen Realm by Dr. Michael Heiser. He comments on all of this. May God bless you all as we strive to grow deeper in our faith.
Great presentation. I not only accept it as a literal historical truth, but propose that the line started by them may still be with us today as Narcissists.
One additional consideration could be what blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich tells us from her visions about this event in the book of Genesis. According to her, basically, this was the result of known, consensual and instrumentalized demonic possession. At first the women were the possessed, then by copulating in state of possession they conceived these so called giants who were born in state of possession. She adds that the giants, although impressive in their physical capabilities given to them by the devil, had nothing that could resemble any wisdom. This doesn't seem to conflict with what we've been learning from exorcists recently (like fr. Ripperger) on the mechanics of demonic possession. The people back then did a lot of very evil things and became subject to diabolic influence, just like occurs today.
Tbh, I'm very confused about the state of the blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich. Many traditional Catholics say that it was an incorrect beatification, for many reasons; while other many catholics say it was correct. If anyone can shed some light on it, I'd be really thankful. Edit: It was just a comment about the blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich. I totally agree with what you said about not conflicting with what exorcisms have been teaching us lately.
You put some info in front of me about the Nephilim. I'm gonna need to listen to this and your other Nephilim talks. I have never had anyone explain more than a sentence or two. Thank You.
The belief about alien invasion and of human interbreeding with angels is a myth. Jesus said angels do not marry. They don't have flesh and blood and do not posses the power to create flesh or change from angelic body to human body. Only God exclusively has that power. The Nephilim are the descendants of Cain . The Bible says Adam is a son of God. So the sons of Adam are sons of God. Cain was not a son of Adam, which is why he is listed in a separate geneaology from Adam. Cain wad the offspring of the adultery between Eve and the erect human like and voluble serpent. Read your Bible carefully. That is the origin of the Nephelims. Cains race. Angels do not have blood and sperms and therefore cannot sex or produce any giants. The assertion of angels marrying women is a heathen folktale, which is not based on Scriptures. In the creation story, we are not told that God put angels on earth unless you are reading that from an apocryphal book or a heathen source. Moses remains the only authentic source for the creation account. If you are trying to create a classification of angels on earth and in heaven, saying that Jesus only mentioned angels in heaven as the only ones that couldn't have sex, remember he did not say anything about the angels on earth having sex. So let us be silent where he is silent. The Bible reveals that angels are originally meant to be in heaven. However, due to rebellion, Lucifer and his angels were cast down. In Matthew 25, Jesus spoke of the two categories of angels, namely the Holy angels led by Christ in verse 31, who retain their original estate in loyalty and in verse 41, the Devil and his own angels, who are the rebelious ones. If you read Revelation 12:7-9, you will find the two categories of angels again. The dragon, which is Lucifer, or Satan is cast down to earth with his angels. Your belief here is based on folktales rather than inspiration. The Bible was written by men as they were inspired by God. If you deny that there are two separate races of men from Genesis 3 [ Cain and Seth], how do you expect the Bible prophecy in Genesis 3:15 to have fulfilled in Messaiah Jesus? According to Isaiah 14:12-20, Lucifer is a fallen angel, and so were his angels. Once fallen, Lucifer and his angels are no longer referred to as sons of God and can not fit the description of Genesis 6. Again, if as the chief of the angel on earth, in the garden of Eden, Lucifer could not create a flesh for himself or transform himself into human flesh in order to cause the fall, how could his cohorts ever have that ability. Your interpretation is a Jehovah Witnesesses false doctrine that you are pushing too hard there. It is bald incoherent interpretation in the face of Scriptures.
I think they definitely read it as being true. St. Irenaeus says in his “On the Apostolic Preaching”, that Genesis 6 is talking about exactly what 1 Enoch says. He also says this almost in passing as being a common reading. Being so close to St. Polycarp and St. John the Apostle, this suffices for my view.
First, this was extremely well done. I personally believe that St. Peter and St. Jude (and St. Paul) were referencing what they took to be an actual story referencing the watchers. I believe if St. Aquinas and St. Augustine were to have the 1st book of Enoch along with the other reference DSS’s they would also likely come to the same conclusion. It was just a lack of having that reference in their time period that drew them to make a logical conclusion. Thanks for making this Dr. Marshall!
And, I am sure that during their era St. Augustine and St. Aquinas were fighting back against the (still very popular) "folk tales" (characters of the pagan pantheon) Nor would either admit that a layering of culture had occured as Christianity took over Europe and displaced the old local (as well as local/Roman mergings) pagan beliefs.
When God created angels and after 1/3 fall down on earth, their will have been fixed in disobedience and will of good angel were fixed in obedience to God. That will never change. So how could after that God sent watchers as good angels down on earth and they became evil after ??? Very confusing. Can someone explain how they believe it could happen? Angels have only one choice for God or against. After that no more messing around 😊
@@arvelote4581 that’s a really good question. I would at least speculate since they were able to procreate these angels were given special permissions to become physical beings. Angels otherwise are pure spirit; like God. These angels may be subject to the ‘free will’ that our realm on earth gives and they were tempted - like we are tempted. We have the ability to be redeemed. Angels also have what’s called morning and evening knowledge and humans are learning beings thus we can be redeemed. Dr. Marshall even said that Enoch prayed for (at least) the offspring of these beings, the giants. It is written in the 1st book of Enoch that St. Michael trembled at the punishment bestowed upon these beings after Gods decision of judgement. Not only were they wicked and evil but they altered the genetics of humans - which appears to be of the utmost importance to God. So a theory could at least be; in order to be a physical being in this realm (with DNA to pass along) - even the watcher angels would be subject to free will and the use of evening knowledge (as written by Aquinas) thus carnal temptation and they fell from Gods grace.
Great presentation. As a Catholic with grad studies in Theology, I've come to the same conclusion you have. Deut 32:8 tells us: " When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, when He divided the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God." For me, this further substantiates what you say about the "watchers" and their role in overseeing and guiding humanity, in God's plan.
Thank you so much for addressing this and answering these questions. There is so much crazy info out there that it's hard to know what to trust so I really appreciate your videos.
Wow Dr Taylor this was awesome and thought provoking. Excellent video sir. I always went with Saint Thomas and Saint Augustine said but I never knew they did not have access to the book of Enoch... wow
1 Hebrews 5 For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
Hey dr. Marshall, you said tha giants were destroyed by the flood but in Genesis 6,4 says (as well as later): "At that time the Nephilim appeared on earth (as well as later), after the sons of heaven had intercourse with the daughters of man, who bore them sons." Bible mentions that giants appeared even after the flood Numbers 13, 33 ""The land that we explored is a country that consumes its inhabitants. And all the people we saw there are huge men veritable giants (the Anakim were a race of giants); we felt like mere grasshoppers, and so we must have seemed to them." What do you think about that?
They _were_ destroyed in the flood. And then after the deluge another incursion occurred. ie the sons of God came into the daughters of Adam both before the flood and after the flood, and both of these times the daughters of Adam gave birth to giants.
Good talk. Interesting subject. I lean towards Dr Michael Heisers’ take (he very recently passed away). His deep scholarly understanding of ancient languages as well as the subtle meanings they convey leads me to give credence to his interpretations. Reading his book The Unseen Realm now. It brings the OT to life.
1 Hebrews 5 For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
GREAT, DETAILED THEOLOGY. Dr. Marshall, these deep theological videos is what drew me to your videos (by accident of trolling) 3 years ago. I just love your detailed explanation and instruction on the subject manner. My goodness, I just have to take your courses. Thank You so much Dr. Marshall for these videos.
This is the best video on the Nephilim and I can say this confidently because it was just last week I went down a Nephilim rabbit hole. There have been some recent conspiracy type things of people believing they have seen giants, and so I had to know more. Great timing.
I have looked into this topic several times as well. I am still wondering why God would put fallen angels in charge of humans and/or if they were once good angels how on earth did they go bad?
1 Hebrews 5 For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
A profound & huge investigation clearly explained & synthesized; thank you for sharing it Dr. Marshall. My conclusion goes for your 2nd option & it can be applied to the heretic bishops, who are accepting the most evil corruption in our Saint, Catholic & Apostolic Church. God please, have mercy on us!
1 Hebrews 5 For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
1 Hebrews 5 For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
I thought so too. It seems like there were some angels left that were on the fence about total submission to God’s Will, and manifested themselves later?
@@sweetmary3233 Angels/demons can't procreate and don't have physical bodies per se but can appear so and even act so to an extent since they have power over matter (as God allows). The story perhaps refers to a sex ritual where the demons are so involved and so possessing the human souls involved that you could say the offspring were also possessed and thus virtually the 'offspring' of the demons. I don't know how that would lead to giants though, unless the demons had knowledge of DNA and were somehow allowed to alter it. This should not be thought of as impossible, however, since we ourselves as intelligent creatures are able to manipulate matter and are on the verge of truly dangerous knowledge in many fields. Also, perhaps since that time God has restricted what demons are allowed to do and so we don't see this aspect of their interference in our world anymore.
1 Hebrews 5 For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
Very interesting Dr.Marshall! You're a great teacher. I love these types of videos where you're teaching the bible, especially the more complicated concepts. Keep them coming.
Awesome video! I'm not Catholic, I really like listening to every thing. I have so many questions still. I'm sure I will eventually find them. God Bless
1 Hebrews 5 For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
I wrote a paper on this for a theology course. Cornelius a Lapide compiles interesting opinions on the matter. Some early Fathers like St. Justin Martyr appear to endorse human/demon unions as the source of the nephilim; after St. Augustine, that opinion becomes a small minority. However, I think the data is best explained as human/demonic unions, not as though the demons can reproduce or have DNA, but that a fallen angel, appearing to a man as a succubus, then appears to a woman as an incubus with the stolen seed. Some people want to quibble about the etymology of Nephilim, but it seems to be plainly an Aramaic loanword and the LXX and Vulgate both use the appropriate word for "giant," so that's not too confusing.
I agree demons are the souls of dead Nephilim (and Nephilim weren't only just giants, but also various other abominations of nature the fallen angels mixed their seed with from animals to all kinds of human hybrids). These creations possessed souls but because they weren't from God or directly human to human (we were made in the image/likeness of God), they were forever damned once they died. Irredeemable. This was an active effort by the fallen angels/watchers to corrupt all of creation, especially to eventually corrupt the DNA of Noah's line (Noah was "clean in all his generations") which lead to the Davidic line which led to Jesus Christ's incarnation. It was all and attempt to stop the Incarnation and/or destroy anything and everything from being saved.
I have heard something similar, and to me it makes the most sense. If you listen to an Exorcist, it's not out of the realm of Demons to manipulate physical matter. I've also wondered if they could even do this in dreams, thus collecting "nocturnal emissions" and then supplanting that into a women who is also given some sort of sexual dream. The idea that Demons are still at work in the world, and in fact the world has been given over to them (princes and principalities), I don't think it's a far reach for that theory to be true.
This is obvious. Angels don't have what it takes. They are superior to men spiritually speaking, but they don't have the ability to procreate. Hybrids are purely speculation. The simplest answer is probably the correct one. The Watchers understood that the children of the sons of Seth and the daughters of Cain would produce giants and drew them together to interbreed and for that reason were punished for it.
Yes, the book of Enoch is real, but it appears the book was lost long enough so that it couldn't be added to the canon of scripture, being unnecessary for salvation per se, but still valuable for wisdom and understanding for some since it is confusing to many. Seth's children were forbidden to interact with Cain's children, so when they did, they broke the greatest law of God's children: avoid idolaters. The Watchers seduced the Sons of God to interact with the Daughters of Men, just not carnally.
Please advise where can I find Cornelius a Lapide on the Old Testament? I've only been able to find him on the four Gospels ... I understand a Lapide also wrote commentary on Revelation. His works are hard to find! But are soooo good.
Thank you, I feel cheated (not really) that I was not told the whole truth at my church. ( non denominational) . My mother would not let me go to a Catholic Church. My mom was horrified when I told her I wanted to be a Nun. I was 9. I got a bad spanking, sent to my room. I have no idea why she never said, I only asked once in my 20s. I am 62 now and am trying to through the process to become a catholic , Dr.Taylor has helped me tremendously to understand. I had fallen away and have only now found my way back to my Lord, but I want more of him, not just the sweet stuff, you know what I mean?
please google "The Abomination Of Desolation Spoken Of By Daniel Will Soon Be Implemented By Islam’s Antichrist And This Caused Me (Walid Shoebat) To Become CATHOLIC" by Walid Shoebat.
1 Hebrews 5 For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
Thank you Dr Taylor for all this info it makes a lot sense for what it is going on in our church right now., thank you for doing the search for us. Love you in the love of our Lord Jesús Cristo!
1 Hebrews 5 For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
This begs the question: What, in fact, ARE angels? And the different classifications that are described VERY differently. This is why a talent like Timothy Alberino adds a valuable (and to many controversial) perspective with his voice.
Thank you, Dr. Marshall, for this astute exposé on a very important subject found in Holy Scripture as well as supporting extra-biblical books, e.g., 1 Enoch, Jubilees, fragments of the Book of Giants, etc. This is a particular subject of interest of mine that I've been researching for about 44 years in my studies. Many, if not the majority, of the Early Church Fathers, you provided a good partial list, believed that 1 Enoch was inspired and should have been considered part of the later Canon(s) of the Holy Bible. To this day 1 Enoch and Jubilees are still in the Canon of the Holy Bible of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church which has always had 1 Enoch in its original Semitic language of Ge'ez, long before it was rediscovered in the Western Churches in the 1700s. You made a good reference also to the several New Testament books (Apostolic Fathers), as well as books of the Septuagint that we use in the Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Eastern Catholic, and Oriental Orthodox Churches. As a Christian brother, I would encourage you however to cease using the Sacred Name of Yahweh so often. You may recall that many years ago a friendly entourage of Jewish Rabbis in Rome visited the Vatican and beseeched the Pope to put a stop to this practice of using and speaking of the Sacred Name, the Tetragrammaton, so profusely in everyday language, theological talks, songs, hymns, etc. I believe this visit and admonition occurred during the pontificate of Pope John Paul II, who we know was very astute, appreciative, and sensitive to our "Elder Brothers"; the concerned friendly Jewish Rabbis. After this visit, we saw the Vatican respond positively to that advice. Many songs and references disappeared that were using and taking so lightly the Sacred Name. We can, and should in my humble opinion, say instead: God (as you well-say a lot), LORD God, The LORD, God Adonai, Hashem, Adonai, the Holy Trinity (Adonai Elohim), the sacred Name of our Lord Jesus Christ, Heavenly Father, etc., to speak of Him, show direct veneration, worship, and adoration to our Lord God Almighty, liturgically and otherwise, instead of utilizing the Sacred Name so frequently. Keep up the diligent and holy work you do. God bless you. Your brother in Christ, Dr. William Jarvis
Actually, while "the majority, of the Early Church Fathers" held to the Angel view, less than a handful, "believed that 1 Enoch was inspired and should have been considered part of the later Canon(s) of the Holy Bible"--and it wasn't and doesn't belong therein since it contradicts the Bible so much and is folklore from millennia after the Torah. that Since YHVH said, "This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations" why do you say, "I would encourage you however to cease using the Sacred Name of Yahweh so often." Is the only issue your subjective pseudo standard as to how often is "so often"?
Definitely a fascinating subject! My main issue with it is that it claims good angels turned bad and were able to physically produce offspring. From everything we know of angels, they all already made their choice to be good or evil when they were first created, their will is fixed in that decision and cannot be changed afterwards. Also, angels, good or bad, do not have physical bodies, so how can they procreate? If I were to try and circumvent my main issue with the story I could go with the Augustine and Aquines arguments for it. Possibly, they were human men who also allowed themselves to become possessed by demons and gained demonic knowledge that further lead the human populace down the drain. And all the children they had may had been cursed by God. Or their children were possessed by demons who changed their height. Or maybe the demons were allowed to alter the DNA of the children that made them grow to be extra large. Or maybe they were angels, who at the time they were first created, rejected their task given to them by God to be these "Watchers". So during the time of Enoch, the angels were already demons who decided to do the opposite of their original task. How did they have children? Possibly they were given special permission from God to do so. It was a trial that God tasked the human race with at that time to overcome (to which they failed miserably). Theoretically, the anti christ is suppose to be the physical offspring of Satan (🤷♀️). If that is true then one may argue that it could of happened before (only it was with lesser demons and not with Satan himself) Or maybe it is all just a fairytale. Overall, while it's fun to speculate about it all, I'm going to remain a fense-sitting on it all.
1 Enoch says that they took on bodies of flesh. We know that angels have the ability to change into men because we see it all over the Bible. Their base form is pure spirit but that doesn’t mean that they can’t create a physical body. The angels that came to lot before sodom an Gomorrah had physical bodies they looked like very attractive men according to the sodomites of those cities.
That's a good point about angels not having bodies and being able to have sex with humans but do we know that for sure or rather do we know for sure that an angel couldn't find a way to make this happen?
Bad angels are strongly jealous of our human nature. I understood they are anti life...pro-abortion, ....and All angels have always been of a spiritual nature. God desired the creation of the human race after the creation of angels....to be his "children". Doubt if an evil angel could alter DNA. I also understand that the return of Elisha and Enoch were prophetic signal of the end time arrival of the Messiah.
I too thank you for such a thorough explanation of the nephilim.... To answer your questions , I do believe Peter and Jude believed that the nephilim Giants were actually fallen angels and human origin.... I too believe that Saint Augustine of Hippo and Aquinas would reconsider their view on this matter. Thank you once again.
I do believe Jude and Peter believed Enoch to be literal in his writings. However this raises a question for me; my understanding is that the angles do not have physical bodies , so how can (fallen) angles copulate with humans?
1 Hebrews 5 For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
The book of Job speaks of angels as "sons of God". As to their ability to have sexual relations with human women, in their original state they are sexless, but the 3 angels who visited Abraham and the 2 who visited Lot were able to eat a meal, so they obviously Materialized complete human bodies. Faithful angels did this to act as God's messengers. Rebel angels did so to satisfy unnatural lust. It may be that Peter and Jude were not directly quoting the book of Enoch but rather ancient traditions from which the writer of he book of Enoch also drew upon.
I truly think the angels procreated something that was out of the natural order. The flood was such a drastic, epic event, it must have been over something horrific!
There are 2 obvious problems with the Enoch story: 1. Angels are incorporeal. They do not copulate as humans do. 2. An angel's will is fixed. If he fell, he did so at the beginning of time. There is a reason Enoch is not in the Bible, but it cannot be dismissed completely. There is a hybrid interpretation possible. Each fallen angel had a purpose God assigned them that they rebelled against. The watchers could have been demons originally assigned to be guardian angels. In the book of Enoch, the chronology could be off regarding the timing of the demon's fall. Additionally, when the demons supposedly copulated with women, this could mean the demons influenced men from the line of Seth to be seduced by evil women. These women were their downfall, influencing them to commit idolatry and all manner of other sins. This happened to many other men in the Bible, such as Adam, Ahab, and Solomon.
That is possible. Maybe at the time these angels were created, what was their downfall was that when they were given the knowledge of women, they fell into lust at that time and damned themselves. Demons fell for many reasons, so why not lust?
I am very happy that lately Dr Marshall is posting more videos on theology and scripture. This was what drew me to him long ago and really is what he does best!
Yes!!!
Amen! 🙏🏼🕊️✝️
Agree
Absolutely Marshall in his wheelhouse. Hearing about the next scandalous thing some cardinal or the pope did does get exhausting after a while. It’s important to be aware of and have a sober perspective on, but learning more about the Faith is far and away more enriching.
Don’t put your just in man alone.
If fallen angels had copulated with women, then how about Our Lord's word that angels do not marry or be married (Mat.22:30)??? Please Dr. Taylor Marshall, ANSWER THIS before you make further confusion.
Our Lord never said, "that angels do not marry or be married (Mat.22:30)" please re-read that verse and focus on Jesus' specificity, His emphasis, His qualifying terms.
@@KenAmmi-Shalom Implicitly He CLEARLY said that!
"For in the resurrection they shall neither marry nor be married; but SHALL BE AS THE ANGELS of God in heaven."
So.. angels do not marry or be married. As simple as that.
@@CRUSNET Friend, you missed Jesus' words, His emphasis, His qualifying terms, His meaning, His teaching since, as you quoted it, He specifically referred to, "ANGELS of God in heaven": thus, the loyal ones. Such is why those who did marry are considered sinners, having "left their first estate," as Jude put it.
@@CRUSNETI take that to mean the angels who remained loyal to God ,do not marry ,but only out of choice.The fallen do not have this self restraint.
Jehovah God created humans to live on the earth and to sudue and fulfil it. The angels were created before humans and their place and realm is heaven. Angels are neither male or female, they are sexless. The Bible explains that the spiritual sons of God looked down on the earth and noted that the daughters of man and look they were beautiful so they made for themselves as angels did in those times, fleshly physical bodies and took whatever woman they wanted and lay with them. The angels thereby forsook their natural dwelling place and came to earth without permission and engaged unnatural and perverse sexual intercourse with humans. They were angels and we are humans so they wilfully disobeyed God and joined Satan in rebellion and they like Satan are reserved for destruction in the future. Although I am not the person you asked your questions to, I hope that I have been able to answer it? I have been abible student all my life and I feel it important to share Bible truths with everyone 🙏
I heard this story many years ago from an old Polish lady. Thanks you for bringing it to light.
Dr. Michael Heiser’s books changed everything for me! I love reading my Bible now! He was a gift from God! Thank you Taylor! 🙏🏼
Curious, was Dr. Michael Heiser Catholic?
And L.A Mazulli
No. Not Catholic, and as he said, not charismatic. But boy, he could explain everything so plainly. I try listen to him everyday from his teaching, even now that he is has passed recently.
@@TheBluesStringer no he wasn't
I’ve also ready a few of his books. Very informative. It was sad to hear of his passing. God bless him.
It's about time I listen to a Catholic on this subject.
I know I was actually surprised to see that he is doing this
They seem to have the full scripture lol
@popeye8427 If you want to see a great take on this, listen to Michael Heiser's Unseen Realm.
I grew up in a partly Catholic, partly Moravian (proto-protestant) household. Both sides were very devout and I grew up in both churches, but I wasn't baptized into either tradition, as they wanted to leave the decision up to me.
I remember this entire topic causing a huge crisis of faith for me. I eventually decided to get baptized at 13 into the Moravian tradition, and was thereafter obligated to read the entire Bible. When I reached Genesis 6 and read about the "Sons of God" coming into the "daughters of man" and producing giants, it caused me to steer off into a rather esoteric new-age ancient-aliens way of thinking. Around 7 years later, reading Michael Heiser's work as well as Enoch cleared a lot of things up for me and slowly steered me back to Christianity.
Excellent summary of the history of the Giants. Two questions: 1: How is it possible for angels to have sexual relations with human women since angels are neither male nor female? Can they transform themselves to have male sex organs? 2. How do we explain the existance of giants at the time of Saul and David (Book of Numbers) if they were destroyed at the time of the flood?
For your first question I assume either God allowed the devils to have more power and take a form that simulates a human male or that God allowed them to use the womens’ bodies to aid them in making a creature that is not of God but would be inherently evil. One possible way they could do that might be to clone the woman and put it in her own womb and then modify the genetics of the clone to be like a giant human.
I do believe Angel's are asexual so that the only plausible explanation producing hybrid nephelims is through cloning because these fallen angels are superbly intelligent beings.
Saint Agustin interpretation sounds more likely, sons of God decending from Seth and evil woman decending from Cain
Goliath would only have to be 6 1/2-7 feet tall to be considered a giant in those days.
As for point 1 I think that's best kept for remembrance. For point 2 the Scriptures might be more clear than that
Genesis 6:4 NASB95 - The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, AND ALSO AFTERWARD, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
could be a reference of the flood to follow perhaps?
The two points I like to highlight is the concepts of dinosaurs existing before the flood and the story of David and Goliath. The need for giants existing during the time of the dinosaurs is something to consider.
1 Hebrews 5
For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
@@sleepystar1638 The term bene elohim = sons of god appears in the old testament many times and virtually every single time it refers to supernatural / angelic beings either loyal or in defiance to the creator. Sometimes these beings are even called Elohim (Mighty ones or little g gods). Adam is also called son of God in Genesis because he has no human father but is directly created by God. In the same manner angelic beings are called sons of God in the Old Testament because they are directly created by God. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God though, speaking of the incarnation, born into the world as human, begotten by the Father. That is what the verse is refering to. In the NT born again followers of Jesus after having received the Holy Spirit are also called Sons of God and are in a sense already siblings to Jesus who is the firstborn of this new "family of God" in the world to come. These saints are said in the book of Revelation to rule as kings and priests in the millenium under Jesus as the king of kings. They are called the sons of god even before receiving their changed supernatural body in the same manner Jesus said that the Kingdom of God is already among us even before the resurrection. But in fullness the term Sons of God is fitting for the transformed Saints who have received their supernatural bodies ("oikētērion" - 2Cor 5:2) at the Ressurrection of the Saints and are therefore akin to the angels (Sons of God) who are also clothed in oikētērion (Jude 1:6).
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Divine beings are referred to as sons of God three times in the book of Job.
Watch Dr. Michael Heiser on the topic.
@wallsign4575
Not sure what you were getting at, but let me say this; after studying much on the topic of the Nephilim, I now believe that dinosaurs were a result of genetic manipulation. Maybe not all, some like the brontosaurus may have been created by God. (A brontosaurus may have been the behemoth in Job.)
Enoch tells how the Nephilim were perverting all of creation. This may explain why so many dinosaurs seem monstrous and bloodthirsty?
Some associated thoughts:
Would God really have created a Tyrannosaurus rex or an Allosaurus to terrorize mankind?; If ancient genetic manipulation wasn’t possible, why would God warn against mixing different kinds of animals several times in the bible?
Perhaps their evil, corrupt origin is why there are no dinosaurs on the ark or afterwards.
@@DH-qp2gy once again the book of Enoch says they were 450ft tall, which is impossible. You love mystery and wonder more than truth. Catholicism has already anathematizes anyone who believes in evolution anyways. So consider yourself go to hell.
I was born and raised Catholic, went to Catholic school most of my childhood. How is it that I was never taught any of this,? Thank you sir for sharing your knowledge. 🙏
Because we grew up under the Vatican ll Catholic Church. They never even spoke about spiritual warfare with us, which I’ve just recently discovered. All they did was obsessively talk about fornication with us. Understanding spiritual warfare earlier in life, would have saved me a lot of heartache, that’s for sure.
Because just as in the days of Jesus, there were and are religious leaders who are more interested in the power and control of the people as well as the financial incentives to keep people under their thumb.
Same here…whatever question I asked I was told “it’s a mystery and not for us to know” Who was I to challenge a priest or nun? As it is, I became a Baptist, abut 45 years ago, but it wasn’t until a few years ago I learned these beings existed. At least Dr Marshall gave us the gift of the video…yet I still have questions, because of the different theologian’s writings, and their beliefs. I understand Dr Marshall’s reasoning, because of all of us who he reaches. He has to touch bases to let us understand there is NOT any clear and concise way to know the facts until He wills it for us to know. THAT is something I can accept.
I also went to catholic school and had the same experience. Also you would have thought that someone would have taught some of it from the pulpit..
No vestige of Truth is taught in the Catholic Church. Roman Catholicism is the kingdom of Satan on earth.
I love Heiser's books. They've really opened my eyes to a literal reading of the Old Testament
I am so grateful to Dr Marshall for making this video. You always amaze me with your attention to detail and the fact that you are able to always give your own unique perspective. I have been intrigued by Heiser’s view for a long time and I have been dissappointed that many prominent Catholic Bible scholars don’t comment on it very much.
We wrestle not against Flesh and Blood but against Principalities against powers against the Rulers of this world against Spiritual Wickedness in high places.
Amen
At last a Catholic presentation on the nephalim! I have several books from protestants on thei whole issue. Thank you!
Took the words out of my mouth
I was just about to say the same thing.
They talk about giants (Nephalim) from time to time on Coast to Coast AM. Top guests on this subject are Steve Quayle and LA Marzulli. Thank you for talking about it from a Catholic perspective.
1 Hebrews 5
For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
@@sleepystar1638 You miss quoted the book. It is Hebrews 1:5. At least it was close enough.
This is FANTASTIC! I have never heard this presented so well. GREAT JOB Taylor Marshall.
1 Hebrews 5
For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
I used to hear this topic from Steven Quayle, a Protestant. So glad to hear this from Dr. TM, a Traditional Catholic! Deo gratias for this exegesis!
I've been listening to Dr. Heiser for the last five years. He sadly passed away about a month ago. May the Lord receive him in his Kingdom
Excellent explanation of scripture. As always, very informative. Thank you
It isn't scripture.
@@TheLincolnrailsplittCheck out what he said in Genesis 6 The origin of the Nephilim.. and he also mentioned Enoch.
The Sons of God are Sethites= humans / earthly man!
Not Angels from heaven!! 🙄
Refreshing how you bring the truth as a teacher Dr. Marshall! We all have an innate sense of what rings as truth and it is up to every soul here on this Earth plane to use our God-given discernment. Thank you for putting the various interpretations out there for each of us to add to or remove from the overall puzzle to our past. There will be a day when all is revealed and thank you for bringing us closer to that point!
Dr. Marshall, I had a good friend who use to always question why the book of Enoch wasn’t in the Bible. When he died several years ago we have joked that he is still arguing with St. Peter why Enoch isn’t in the Bible. Great explanation by the way!
I think Enoch was real
@@dsua3728 of course he was!! 😊
Read the correct Bible. Douay Rheims.
1 Hebrews 5
For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
@@denihand9739What does it have of different? Could you explain me? Authentic question here. Thank you.
Please do a part 2 on these and answer questions 💕😊🙏
Thank you for speaking on so many different subjects. As a returning Catholic I need all of these information to enrich my faith and knowledge.
Greetings, Dr. Marshall! Your teachings are edifying, and they help me navigate through these difficult moments that we currently are facing🙏
The modern Catholic Church no longer talks about this stuff. Doesn't talk about the End Times. None of it. The Challoner Douay-Reims Bible notes talk about them matter-of-factly....because they were.
Largest, on record, giant skeletons found in North America were both 18 footers. One in West Hickory, PA and the other Austin, TX. Late 1800's, early 1900's.
The Timucua Native American tribe that was discovered by Spanish explorers on Jekyll Island were all 8-9ft tall, including the women! They had Middle Eastern style recurve bows. They had a carved stone altar (that appeared to have been there since ancient times) that they would hack up and sacrifice babies over which the explorers made note of (a practice by the Canaanites, etc) and quickly left in fear (they didn't have enough men) towards Florida where they founded St. Augustine.
"[...Francisco Pizarro and his company] arrived at Puerto Viejo, and to Santa Helena, where they saw a large quantity of bones of giants, that according to their proportion, were 20 palms [approximately 15 ft] tall." ~ Antonio de la Calancha. Augustinian monk & anthropologist. "The Moral Chronical of the Order of Saint Augustine in Peru, 1663"
Supposedly, up to and during the time of Christ, Israel had a "museum" of sorts where they had many giant bones and skeletons on display for those entering the Holy Land (as a testament to the truthfulness of the Biblical Scriptures). I believe Josephus mentions this but I forget on this one.
A great intro book for skeptics on the topic is: "Giants on Record: America's Hidden History, Secrets in the Mounds, and the Smithsonian Files" by Jim Vieira and Hugh Newman
the book of Enoch lists the Giants at 450FT tall, not 15, that is not even close
@Sleepy Star Common Enoch mistranslation that has been addressed by other folks.
I believe the verse in question is Enoch 7:3 commonly translated close to:
"And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells..."
Alternate rendering:
"And the women became pregnant, and there were born unto them three sorts, the first were great giants, and to the giants were born nephilim, and to the nephilim were born elioud."
Each successive generation being smaller. It's theorized 1st generation were 30-50 ft tall. (There is a medieval historical record find of a giant skeleton in Europe measured at 36ft. The skeleton, being so ancient, quickly disintegrated upon exposure to the fresh air).
2nd generation would be around 18-20ft. (Two largest skeletons on record found in North America were 18 footers. West Hickory, PA and Austin, TX)
3rd generation (Goliath Brothers generation) from 8-15ft. Goliath Brothers, Og, etc
@@pennsyltuckyreb9800 its say they were 139 cubits, the same measurement they always used in the Bible.
@@sleepystar1638 Can you give me the Bible verse that is? I don't remember
@@pennsyltuckyreb9800 no i meant in enoch they use cubits as the measurement just like in the Bible.
You have no idea how happy I am to hear a Catholic scholar as yourself explain these things. I read the book of Enoch after watching Noah’s movie with Russell Crowe. I did not know anything about Gn 6 until I questioned the ancestors of the “Transformers” 😂 in that movie. My grandfather who was a self proclaimed atheist talked to me about these giants…I thought later on in my life that he might have been talking Greek to me…😊I was only seven years old. Thank you Dr. Marshall for taking the time to teach and clarify Catholics about these things. I think that if Saint Augustine had access to the books of Enoch, he would have kept the oral tradition and written tradition from St Peter, St Jude, and the fathers of the Church and Saints who went along with the story of the 200 hundred fallen angels. God bless you and your family!
I read a creation legend that contends that Adam, having the entire genetic code within him of the human race, was virtually perfect, and 124 ft tall. Eve was apparently, 118 ft tall.
When God willing we arrive happily in heaven, there is so much to learn and many answers to be given. Isn't that a joyful thought!
The Lord of Spirits (Orthodox) Radio show lays this out pretty nicely, Christians of all denominations are increasingly subscribing to this view. As this watcher pattern repeats itself through history and in the church I think this is a valid way of interpreting scripture.
Which episode? Thks.
@@blankblank8292 it is sorta all of them. But I would say that first couple of episodes lead nicely to the Halloween episode Giants, that show has it all.
Love The Lord of Spirits podcast!
1 Hebrews 5
For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
@@sleepystar1638 Jesus is The Son of God, it doesn't say God did not have other sons.
Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also ...
Psalm 82
A psalm of Asaph.
1 God presides in the great assembly;
he renders judgment among the “gods”:
2 “How long will you[a] defend the unjust
and show partiality to the wicked?[b]
3 Defend the weak and the fatherless;
uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.
4 Rescue the weak and the needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.
5 “The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing.
They walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.
6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”;
you are all sons of the Most High.’
7 But you will die like mere mortals;
you will fall like every other ruler.”
8 Rise up, O God, judge the earth,
for all the nations are your inheritance
I think that believing that the Nephalim are fallen Angels contradicts basic Catholic teaching that angels chose definitively to either stay with God or turn from God before the creation of man.
Well The Catholic Exorcist I have seen on TH-cam say that the Demons are Fallen Angels. It’s not against Church Teaching, but Damned Half Breeds are also demons in there own right. We have no idea what’s really going on at a level past our human conception with the blockage of sin keeping us from experiencing the full range of reality. A.K.A we only see within a 3 dimensional Plane
Nephilim are NOT fallen angels,.. they are the offspring of women and the SUPPOSED fallen angels. Nothing but advanced aliens!
Your message on Enoch is the best I have ever heard.
Most other people misunderstand what it says.
You have hit the nail on the head
Thanks for the message
1 Hebrews 5
For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
One of the most comprehensive exposition on the topic out there… thank you so much for your work. Blessings
More of this teaching please, Dr. Marshall.
I watched a documentary on this…and I believe Dr. Heiser was one of the main theologians doing the documentary. Anyway, it was stated in this documentary that the “Watchers” had not only bred human women…but they were also cross-breeding with animals 🦅 🦚🐑, thus changing the DNA of nearly all of God’s Earthly creations….creating complete abominations.
I can totally understand why God ✝️ had to “wipe the slate clean” so to speak. Makes total sense imho.
1 Hebrews 5
For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
I could see that. History is currently repeating itself. The Chinese have been trying to combine human DNA with animals DNA for a while. So I don't think it's to far fetched
Great topic! I lean towards Dr. Michael Heiser's interpretation, may perpetual light shine upon him.
Which is?
The Book of Enoch makes so much sense and even the verse we know well (Genesis 5:24) is revealing; “Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him” is a very powerful statement!
Also, the Book of Enoch was lost for western Christianity (perhaps on purpose), however it was never lost for Ethiopian Christianity, which has preserved a lot of originality and has preserved to be an genuine and truthful source of information about our distant past. Ethiopian Christianity is true gem: either inside Ethiopian Catholic or Coptic Church!!!
Extremely interesting. At one time, when I was a Buddhist, I came across teachings in the ancient Buddhist tradition, which taught of a time when men were taller and lived longer then men today. The story of the flood and existence prior to it, is a widespread belief, which gives credence to the Book Of Genesis.
1 Hebrews 5
For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
@L A lol yeah a book by a man outside of scripture is gonna tell me what scripture says. God has never Called Angels his sons, you go ahead and reject this verse.
@@sleepystar1638Leviticus 20:13. Do you reject this verse?
@@Danny-zm5rh what? Nope, why would I reject a moral law of the old covenant ?
@@sleepystar1638 I just wanted to be clear that at dinner parties and social gatherings, you boldly proclaim that they should be executed.
Love when you teach scripture. Thank you - one of your best videos.
Michael Heiser, God rest his soul, is one of the chief protestant scholars that pushed me back into catholicism. especially in his divine council worldview.
Very interesting topic and an excellent explanation of the Nephilim Dr. Marshall. There is a well known story about a Giant that was discovered by the U.S. military during the Afghanistan campaign known as the Giant of Kandahar. They have even interviewed one of the soldiers that encountered this Giant. This soldier claimed that his unit was sent out to find and locate a unit that went missing. He describes how his unit discovered human bones and military equipment and clothing outside the entrance to a mouth of a particular cave and this Giant runs out of this cave with a shield and a spear and it apparently speared one of the soldiers and was trying to kill the others. He said this Giant was massive and was moving with such great speed and strength that something that big shouldn't be able to move that fast. They eventually killed this Giant by shooting it in the face. He claimed they shot it in the body but it didn't seem to do any damage. Once killed the U.S. military flew out these huge helicopters to scoop this thing up. Apparently they measured this Giant who turned out to be 12 feet tall and weighing around 1200 pounds I believe if I remember correctly. He claims the Smithsonian took the Giant away never to be seen again. This was so that to keep the Darwinian narrative alive. The elites know that the Biblical narrative is real and having proof of the Giants would destroy the Darwinian narrative according to the Christian, historian and archeologist LA Marzulli who is the man that interviews this soldier. The interview is on youtube. Scripture talks about how it will be like in the days of Noah.
Wow! Amazing!
Garret
Very interesting story! Thanks!
Sorry. I find that hard to believe. Not you, but the soldier.
There is a large Afghan diaspora in Toronto where I live, it is known and within their folklore of the existence of fallen angel giants who dwell in caves of the remote highland mountain regions.
In this day and age you would think one of the soldiers would have captured a photo.
For years I believed in the possibility of “Bigfoot” due to all the testimonies out there. And yet, to this day, we don’t have any real evidence (skeleton).
I find the story interesting but lacking in hard evidence. Besides it seems the flood from God would have eliminated all life except the passengers of the Ark.
Dr Heiser’s work is cutting edge and brilliant, thank you Dr Marshall for sharing his work on Nephilim.
1 Hebrews 5
For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
@@sleepystar1638
Divine beings are referred to as sons of God three times in the book of Job.
@@DH-qp2gy Job 1
1There was a man in the land of Hus, whose name was Job, and that man was simple and upright, and fearing God, and avoiding evil. 2And there were born to him seven sons and three daughters. 3And his possession was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a family exceeding great: and this man was great among all the people of the east. 4And his sons went, and made a feast by houses every one in his day. And sending they called their three sisters to eat and drink with them. 5And when the days of their feasting were gone about, Job sent to them, and sanctified them: and rising up early offered holocausts for every one of them. For he said: Lest perhaps my sons have sinned, and have blessed God in their hearts. So did Job all days.
6Now on a certain day when the sons of God came to stand before the Lord, Satan also was present among them.
@@DH-qp2gy Job 2
1And it came to pass, when on a certain day the sons of God came, and stood before the Lord, and Satan came among them, and stood in his sight, 2That the Lord said to Satan: Whence comest thou ? And he answered and said: I have gone round about the earth, and walked through it
@@DH-qp2gy Job 38
7When the morning stars praised me together, and all the sons of God made a joyful melody?
If the stars are angels who are the sons of God?
All is vanity do not be deceived with the tradition of men. And thanks for the true word of the Almighty praise his Holy name. May he continue to bless all who call on the name of the Lord.
Thank you Dr Marshall I have always pondered this. I think if the Dead Sea Scrolls been discovered earlier the explanation in Enoch would’ve been more widely believed. As for me I think it’s not symbolic but was truly real. Keep going Dr Marshall.. you’re a blessing!
According to the visions of Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich (which I would highly recommend to anyone who hasn't yet read them already) the story about the Watchers copulating with humans and producing superhuman offspring happened literally, so I think it was most likely real as well.
@@Silent-N ...but Angels are spiritual beings..it's not possible.
@@TF80s So perhaps it was akin to demon possession, not that the angels had actual bodies.
@@TF80s remember two angel went into Sordom, and the men wanted to have sex with them, Justin Martyr and Irenaeus and many others early church fathers believe this as well
Angels show up in human form many times in the Bible
I wonder what Fr. Ripperger would have to say on this topic.
While I’m open to admitting the truth of this matter, what becomes of our tradition that the angels fell at the first exercise of their will?
This is exactly what my question is as well. The angels’ decision to serve God is set.
I'm uncertain as to how that conflicts? Regardless of when they fell, Genesis tells us, they fell to earth & took the wives of rhwir choosing. I'm not sure why people can't read it as it is. It's pretty plain.
Finally a great scholar giving correct Bible history, thank you stir and may the lord God bless and continue your great work.
Did you purposely put spaces between each word? It really makes your comment stand out. I think I may start doing that.
You nailed it Dr Taylor but this subject goes deeper. Please more talks on Genesis 6 topic. Also Fatma, Garabandal Spain, and Medjugorje. All great topics and very important for humanity. God bless you and your family in Jesus name 🙏
1 Hebrews 5
For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
@@sleepystar1638 check out the book of Job 1: 6 2: 1 38: 7 only in the new testament that reference is made reborn through Christ. Dr Chuck Missler watch his videos on Genesis. Also get your references from the Suptuagint (LXX)
agreed. not enough people talk about neither fatima nor medjugorje. nor the seriousness of why God deemed it necessary to send the Virgin Mary to appear on earth
Excellent explanation , ❤am currently learning more from you after coming out of Protestant / England's churches and needed this Thankyou
1 Hebrews 5
For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
Dr Marshall ,I am at AW, I always herd of some stuff like that but never looked in to it .I read my Bible after but I never looked into the Bible or books we were not taught about . This is so awesome learning this at my age 82, i did not move away from my I pad. 😮Thank you so much , I watch you every day when you are on I-have learned so much so I do not want to miss your streams. Thank you so much please keep your show going I have learned more in this past 3 years then in all my life. God Bless you Always .
What about Goliath? Is he a Nephilim? And the giants that the Israelites had to battle to enter the promise land? Are they nephilims?
Thank you Dr. Marshall. I couldn't understand Genesis 6 and didn't want to read it. Now this chapter is understandable and logical.
God bless you and your work.
1 Hebrews 5
For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
Before I became Catholic, while on my last deployment my roommate and I spoke on this subject greatly. Wish this video was out back than, it’s great
I used to be Catholic and then I realized that the higher-ups at the Vatican are amongst the most crooked people in the world. They are only interested in power money controlling you. I was born a Catholic and then when I realized what was going on I left and sought out real Christians who's only priority was to Worship the Lord and spread his word and nothing else. It was about the knowledge and everything instead of concealing it from you a manipulating you like a Catholic Church does
One of the BEST EXPOSITIONS ever on the Nephillim.
Agreed!!!
Agreed!!!
Your a fool if you believe him!
He is a propaganda machine, trying to sell books that see it !
1 Hebrews 5
For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
I'm still at a loss as an angel is a spiritual being. Without matter. So how can they breed a woman who is made of matter?
God of course can sent His Holy Spirit upon Mary but there is no reference to demons having that ability?
Thank you for all the background and history on the Book of Enoch. I always wondered how that book was left out of the Bible.
I think the book of Enoch is included in the Ethiopian bible. The Ark of the Covenant is supposedly kept in a church in Ethiopia.
1 Hebrews 5
For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
@Sleepy Star man stfu and go play in traffic some where!
@@catholicchannel3310 . Yeah im sure it is. But why would you care, since Christ fulfilled the law, and is dead set against relics and icons? oh yeah, Catholic..
The book of Enoch is pretty outstanding in the understanding of our Spiritual History. Absolutely believe in this book.
Check out the Book of Giants 2 it was also one of the books edit it out of the modern Bible by the Catholic Church
Im fascinated by ancient giants and how the half man/half deity story is found in so many cultures.
What isn't as clear is the rephiam. Which my understanding is they are the post flood giants. This is what the spies would've seen or any skeletons found wouldve been descendants of.
Disclaimer: I'm really slow when it comes to understanding most things.
So , here goes... How does a pure spiritual being, e.g., a fallen angel, physically impart male dna to a women to produce a baby?
This exact question has always been my hang-up to this story as well, and I have never heard a convincing explanation. There might be a good & valid explanation out there somewhere, and I'm certainly open-minded enough to consider it, but I have yet to able to find a convincing one.
A demonic sex ritual involving possessed male and female participants and demons together. That would produce real babies that are likely possessed as well. This would also explain God sending the Flood since this would be the epitome of perversion of the human race.
Jesus spoke of Elisha but I don't believe He address any of this
Check out Genesis 18 and 19. Angels took the form of men in these chapters. If they were only spiritual beings, how did they physically consume food with Abraham and physically pull Lot back into the house when visiting Sodom before it’s destruction? Check out The Unseen Realm by Dr. Michael Heiser. He comments on all of this. May God bless you all as we strive to grow deeper in our faith.
Probably artificial insemination.
Great presentation. I not only accept it as a literal historical truth, but propose that the line started by them may still be with us today as Narcissists.
One additional consideration could be what blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich tells us from her visions about this event in the book of Genesis.
According to her, basically, this was the result of known, consensual and instrumentalized demonic possession. At first the women were the possessed, then by copulating in state of possession they conceived these so called giants who were born in state of possession. She adds that the giants, although impressive in their physical capabilities given to them by the devil, had nothing that could resemble any wisdom.
This doesn't seem to conflict with what we've been learning from exorcists recently (like fr. Ripperger) on the mechanics of demonic possession. The people back then did a lot of very evil things and became subject to diabolic influence, just like occurs today.
Very interesting
Tbh, I'm very confused about the state of the blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich. Many traditional Catholics say that it was an incorrect beatification, for many reasons; while other many catholics say it was correct.
If anyone can shed some light on it, I'd be really thankful.
Edit: It was just a comment about the blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich. I totally agree with what you said about not conflicting with what exorcisms have been teaching us lately.
And yes! If these ‘angels’ were demons, this is plausible. But angels could not ‘fall’ after the creation of man. Their choice was definitive.
@@ulysses_grant Faustina is the one with incorrect beautification.
@@sleepystar1638 Why is that?
Oh, thank you, very, very much for ancient Biblical knowledge explained in a very informative & interesting way! God Bless you‼️❣️
You put some info in front of me about the Nephilim. I'm gonna need to listen to this and your other Nephilim talks. I have never had anyone explain more than a sentence or two. Thank You.
Plz check out pastor Arnold Murray on the 3 world ages this man does not know the half of it.
The belief about alien invasion and of human interbreeding with angels is a myth. Jesus said angels do not marry. They don't have flesh and blood and do not posses the power to create flesh or change from angelic body to human body. Only God exclusively has that power.
The Nephilim are the descendants of Cain . The Bible says Adam is a son of God. So the sons of Adam are sons of God.
Cain was not a son of Adam, which is why he is listed in a separate geneaology from Adam. Cain wad the offspring of the adultery between Eve and the erect human like and voluble serpent. Read your Bible carefully.
That is the origin of the Nephelims. Cains race.
Angels do not have blood and sperms and therefore cannot sex or produce any giants. The assertion of angels marrying women is a heathen folktale, which is not based on Scriptures.
In the creation story, we are not told that God put angels on earth unless you are reading that from an apocryphal book or a heathen source. Moses remains the only authentic source for the creation account.
If you are trying to create a classification of angels on earth and in heaven, saying that Jesus only mentioned angels in heaven as the only ones that couldn't have sex, remember he did not say anything about the angels on earth having sex. So let us be silent where he is silent. The Bible reveals that angels are originally meant to be in heaven. However, due to rebellion, Lucifer and his angels were cast down.
In Matthew 25, Jesus spoke of the two categories of angels, namely the Holy angels led by Christ in verse 31, who retain their original estate in loyalty and in verse 41, the Devil and his own angels, who are the rebelious ones.
If you read Revelation 12:7-9, you will find the two categories of angels again. The dragon, which is Lucifer, or Satan is cast down to earth with his angels.
Your belief here is based on folktales rather than inspiration. The Bible was written by men as they were inspired by God. If you deny that there are two separate races of men from Genesis 3 [ Cain and Seth], how do you expect the Bible prophecy in Genesis 3:15 to have fulfilled in Messaiah Jesus?
According to Isaiah 14:12-20, Lucifer is a fallen angel, and so were his angels. Once fallen, Lucifer and his angels are no longer referred to as sons of God and can not fit the description of Genesis 6.
Again, if as the chief of the angel on earth, in the garden of Eden, Lucifer could not create a flesh for himself or transform himself into human flesh in order to cause the fall, how could his cohorts ever have that ability. Your interpretation is a Jehovah Witnesesses false doctrine that you are pushing too hard there. It is bald incoherent interpretation in the face of Scriptures.
Thank you for the bible study. To me bible study means a lot and it is hard to understand, so thanks for explaining it.
You drowned when you were a kid ha
You drowned when you were a kid ha
I think they definitely read it as being true. St. Irenaeus says in his “On the Apostolic Preaching”, that Genesis 6 is talking about exactly what 1 Enoch says.
He also says this almost in passing as being a common reading. Being so close to St. Polycarp and St. John the Apostle, this suffices for my view.
Well done Dr Marshall, God bless you and your family.
First, this was extremely well done. I personally believe that St. Peter and St. Jude (and St. Paul) were referencing what they took to be an actual story referencing the watchers. I believe if St. Aquinas and St. Augustine were to have the 1st book of Enoch along with the other reference DSS’s they would also likely come to the same conclusion. It was just a lack of having that reference in their time period that drew them to make a logical conclusion. Thanks for making this Dr. Marshall!
And, I am sure that during their
era St. Augustine and St. Aquinas
were fighting back against the
(still very popular) "folk tales"
(characters of the pagan pantheon)
Nor would either admit that a layering
of culture had occured as Christianity
took over Europe and displaced the
old local (as well as local/Roman
mergings) pagan beliefs.
When God created angels and after 1/3 fall down on earth, their will have been fixed in disobedience and will of good angel were fixed in obedience to God. That will never change. So how could after that God sent watchers as good angels down on earth and they became evil after ??? Very confusing. Can someone explain how they believe it could happen? Angels have only one choice for God or against. After that no more messing around 😊
Don't forget that Daniel 4 makes mention of the angelic watchers as well, and giving a decree no less.
I have the same questions as well.
@@arvelote4581 that’s a really good question. I would at least speculate since they were able to procreate these angels were given special permissions to become physical beings. Angels otherwise are pure spirit; like God. These angels may be subject to the ‘free will’ that our realm on earth gives and they were tempted - like we are tempted. We have the ability to be redeemed. Angels also have what’s called morning and evening knowledge and humans are learning beings thus we can be redeemed. Dr. Marshall even said that Enoch prayed for (at least) the offspring of these beings, the giants. It is written in the 1st book of Enoch that St. Michael trembled at the punishment bestowed upon these beings after Gods decision of judgement. Not only were they wicked and evil but they altered the genetics of humans - which appears to be of the utmost importance to God. So a theory could at least be; in order to be a physical being in this realm (with DNA to pass along) - even the watcher angels would be subject to free will and the use of evening knowledge (as written by Aquinas) thus carnal temptation and they fell from Gods grace.
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Great presentation. As a Catholic with grad studies in Theology, I've come to the same conclusion you have. Deut 32:8 tells us: " When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, when He divided the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God." For me, this further substantiates what you say about the "watchers" and their role in overseeing and guiding humanity, in God's plan.
Thank you Dr.Taylor Marshall love listening to your talk.
Super interesting Dr. Marshall thanks for doing all the research and sharing with us.
Thank you so much for addressing this and answering these questions. There is so much crazy info out there that it's hard to know what to trust so I really appreciate your videos.
Wow Dr Taylor this was awesome and thought provoking. Excellent video sir. I always went with Saint Thomas and Saint Augustine said but I never knew they did not have access to the book of Enoch... wow
1 Hebrews 5
For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
YES ,We are living in the book of ENOCH
one day all shall be accurately revealed...the focus should be Our Chosen Saviour, Yeshua 🔥
Hey dr. Marshall, you said tha giants were destroyed by the flood but in Genesis 6,4 says (as well as later): "At that time the Nephilim appeared on earth (as well as later), after the sons of heaven had intercourse with the daughters of man, who bore them sons."
Bible mentions that giants appeared even after the flood Numbers 13, 33 ""The land that we explored is a country that consumes its inhabitants. And all the people we saw there are huge men veritable giants (the Anakim were a race of giants); we felt like mere grasshoppers, and so we must have seemed to them."
What do you think about that?
Good point
They _were_ destroyed in the flood. And then after the deluge another incursion occurred. ie the sons of God came into the daughters of Adam both before the flood and after the flood, and both of these times the daughters of Adam gave birth to giants.
Good talk. Interesting subject. I lean towards Dr Michael Heisers’ take (he very recently passed away). His deep scholarly understanding of ancient languages as well as the subtle meanings they convey leads me to give credence to his interpretations. Reading his book The Unseen Realm now. It brings the OT to life.
He was a gifted man for our times.ay he rest in peace.
He was a great man.
I can't get over his passing.
1 Hebrews 5
For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
GREAT, DETAILED THEOLOGY. Dr. Marshall, these deep theological videos is what drew me to your videos (by accident of trolling) 3 years ago. I just love your detailed explanation and instruction on the subject manner. My goodness, I just have to take your courses. Thank You so much Dr. Marshall for these videos.
This have always whol my attention I thought the giants build the tall building back then .
This is the best video on the Nephilim and I can say this confidently because it was just last week I went down a Nephilim rabbit hole. There have been some recent conspiracy type things of people believing they have seen giants, and so I had to know more. Great timing.
I have looked into this topic several times as well. I am still wondering why God would put fallen angels in charge of humans and/or if they were once good angels how on earth did they go bad?
@@elizabethhelmin3346 they were good angels who went bad, just like Lucifer
1 Hebrews 5
For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
A profound & huge investigation clearly explained & synthesized; thank you for sharing it Dr. Marshall. My conclusion goes for your 2nd option & it can be applied to the heretic bishops, who are accepting the most evil corruption in our Saint, Catholic & Apostolic Church. God please, have mercy on us!
1 Hebrews 5
For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
Thanks!
It certainly is a lesson for us. The heretics are really creating monsters.
For sure! 😒😒
1 Hebrews 5
For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
What's confusing is that I thought that all the fallen angels fell at the beginning of time and not later.
I thought so too. It seems like there were some angels left that were on the fence about total submission to God’s Will, and manifested themselves later?
Not only that, does it mean angels can change their mind? How can the procreate when they don't have physical bodies?
@@sweetmary3233 Angels/demons can't procreate and don't have physical bodies per se but can appear so and even act so to an extent since they have power over matter (as God allows). The story perhaps refers to a sex ritual where the demons are so involved and so possessing the human souls involved that you could say the offspring were also possessed and thus virtually the 'offspring' of the demons.
I don't know how that would lead to giants though, unless the demons had knowledge of DNA and were somehow allowed to alter it. This should not be thought of as impossible, however, since we ourselves as intelligent creatures are able to manipulate matter and are on the verge of truly dangerous knowledge in many fields. Also, perhaps since that time God has restricted what demons are allowed to do and so we don't see this aspect of their interference in our world anymore.
@@MillionthUsername I've been puzzling these details, but I really like your insights!
1 Hebrews 5
For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
Great Dr. Marshall and long overdue from the Catholic side!
Very interesting Dr.Marshall! You're a great teacher. I love these types of videos where you're teaching the bible, especially the more complicated concepts. Keep them coming.
Awesome video! I'm not Catholic, I really like listening to every thing. I have so many questions still. I'm sure I will eventually find them. God Bless
Keep absorbing these truths, Linda. The reality of the supernatural world is both mind blowing, terrifying and wonderfully reassuring!!
@@MsDormy yes , I find it terrifying. I don't want to be left behind.
@@lindat9083 Linda, are you born again?
1 Hebrews 5
For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
Mr. Marshall I’m deeply thankful for your generosity shearing your knowledge with us! God bless you and your beautiful family! 🥰🙏
I wrote a paper on this for a theology course. Cornelius a Lapide compiles interesting opinions on the matter.
Some early Fathers like St. Justin Martyr appear to endorse human/demon unions as the source of the nephilim; after St. Augustine, that opinion becomes a small minority. However, I think the data is best explained as human/demonic unions, not as though the demons can reproduce or have DNA, but that a fallen angel, appearing to a man as a succubus, then appears to a woman as an incubus with the stolen seed.
Some people want to quibble about the etymology of Nephilim, but it seems to be plainly an Aramaic loanword and the LXX and Vulgate both use the appropriate word for "giant," so that's not too confusing.
I agree demons are the souls of dead Nephilim (and Nephilim weren't only just giants, but also various other abominations of nature the fallen angels mixed their seed with from animals to all kinds of human hybrids).
These creations possessed souls but because they weren't from God or directly human to human (we were made in the image/likeness of God), they were forever damned once they died. Irredeemable. This was an active effort by the fallen angels/watchers to corrupt all of creation, especially to eventually corrupt the DNA of Noah's line (Noah was "clean in all his generations") which lead to the Davidic line which led to Jesus Christ's incarnation. It was all and attempt to stop the Incarnation and/or destroy anything and everything from being saved.
I have heard something similar, and to me it makes the most sense. If you listen to an Exorcist, it's not out of the realm of Demons to manipulate physical matter. I've also wondered if they could even do this in dreams, thus collecting "nocturnal emissions" and then supplanting that into a women who is also given some sort of sexual dream. The idea that Demons are still at work in the world, and in fact the world has been given over to them (princes and principalities), I don't think it's a far reach for that theory to be true.
This is obvious. Angels don't have what it takes. They are superior to men spiritually speaking, but they don't have the ability to procreate. Hybrids are purely speculation. The simplest answer is probably the correct one. The Watchers understood that the children of the sons of Seth and the daughters of Cain would produce giants and drew them together to interbreed and for that reason were punished for it.
Yes, the book of Enoch is real, but it appears the book was lost long enough so that it couldn't be added to the canon of scripture, being unnecessary for salvation per se, but still valuable for wisdom and understanding for some since it is confusing to many. Seth's children were forbidden to interact with Cain's children, so when they did, they broke the greatest law of God's children: avoid idolaters. The Watchers seduced the Sons of God to interact with the Daughters of Men, just not carnally.
Please advise where can I find Cornelius a Lapide on the Old Testament? I've only been able to find him on the four Gospels ... I understand a Lapide also wrote commentary on Revelation. His works are hard to find! But are soooo good.
Your videos are done so well- well researched and illustrated. It's noticed and appreciated!
Watching it all fall apart and everything fades away just like it had been before yet to repeat once again.
Thank you, I feel cheated (not really) that I was not told the whole truth at my church. ( non denominational) . My mother would not let me go to a Catholic Church. My mom was horrified when I told her I wanted to be a Nun. I was 9. I got a bad spanking, sent to my room. I have no idea why she never said, I only asked once in my 20s. I am 62 now and am trying to through the process to become a catholic , Dr.Taylor has helped me tremendously to understand. I had fallen away and have only now found my way back to my Lord, but I want more of him, not just the sweet stuff, you know what I mean?
please google "The Abomination Of Desolation Spoken Of By Daniel Will Soon Be Implemented By Islam’s Antichrist And This Caused Me (Walid Shoebat) To Become CATHOLIC" by Walid Shoebat.
God bless your journey Barbara Geiman into the church
Book Of Enoch was how the Bible clicked for me. It was the missing piece of the puzzle.
1 Hebrews 5
For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
@@sleepystar1638Job 1
@@AnHebrewChild where does it say those are angels?
It is true, the people of God told us the truth. Thank you Dr. Taylor Marshall.
I like the theme of the Apostles using this teaching to show the punishment of heretics to be the same as these giants.
Thank you Dr Taylor for all this info it makes a lot sense for what it is going on in our church right now., thank you for doing the search for us. Love you in the love of our Lord Jesús Cristo!
1 Hebrews 5
For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
This begs the question: What, in fact, ARE angels? And the different classifications that are described VERY differently.
This is why a talent like Timothy Alberino adds a valuable (and to many controversial) perspective with his voice.
Thank you, Dr. Marshall, for this astute exposé on a very important subject found in Holy Scripture as well as supporting extra-biblical books, e.g., 1 Enoch, Jubilees, fragments of the Book of Giants, etc. This is a particular subject of interest of mine that I've been researching for about 44 years in my studies. Many, if not the majority, of the Early Church Fathers, you provided a good partial list, believed that 1 Enoch was inspired and should have been considered part of the later Canon(s) of the Holy Bible. To this day 1 Enoch and Jubilees are still in the Canon of the Holy Bible of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church which has always had 1 Enoch in its original Semitic language of Ge'ez, long before it was rediscovered in the Western Churches in the 1700s. You made a good reference also to the several New Testament books (Apostolic Fathers), as well as books of the Septuagint that we use in the Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Eastern Catholic, and Oriental Orthodox Churches. As a Christian brother, I would encourage you however to cease using the Sacred Name of Yahweh so often. You may recall that many years ago a friendly entourage of Jewish Rabbis in Rome visited the Vatican and beseeched the Pope to put a stop to this practice of using and speaking of the Sacred Name, the Tetragrammaton, so profusely in everyday language, theological talks, songs, hymns, etc. I believe this visit and admonition occurred during the pontificate of Pope John Paul II, who we know was very astute, appreciative, and sensitive to our "Elder Brothers"; the concerned friendly Jewish Rabbis. After this visit, we saw the Vatican respond positively to that advice. Many songs and references disappeared that were using and taking so lightly the Sacred Name. We can, and should in my humble opinion, say instead: God (as you well-say a lot), LORD God, The LORD, God Adonai, Hashem, Adonai, the Holy Trinity (Adonai Elohim), the sacred Name of our Lord Jesus Christ, Heavenly Father, etc., to speak of Him, show direct veneration, worship, and adoration to our Lord God Almighty, liturgically and otherwise, instead of utilizing the Sacred Name so frequently. Keep up the diligent and holy work you do. God bless you. Your brother in Christ, Dr. William Jarvis
Actually, while "the majority, of the Early Church Fathers" held to the Angel view, less than a handful, "believed that 1 Enoch was inspired and should have been considered part of the later Canon(s) of the Holy Bible"--and it wasn't and doesn't belong therein since it contradicts the Bible so much and is folklore from millennia after the Torah.
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Since YHVH said, "This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations" why do you say, "I would encourage you however to cease using the Sacred Name of Yahweh so often." Is the only issue your subjective pseudo standard as to how often is "so often"?
Definitely a fascinating subject! My main issue with it is that it claims good angels turned bad and were able to physically produce offspring. From everything we know of angels, they all already made their choice to be good or evil when they were first created, their will is fixed in that decision and cannot be changed afterwards. Also, angels, good or bad, do not have physical bodies, so how can they procreate?
If I were to try and circumvent my main issue with the story I could go with the Augustine and Aquines arguments for it. Possibly, they were human men who also allowed themselves to become possessed by demons and gained demonic knowledge that further lead the human populace down the drain. And all the children they had may had been cursed by God. Or their children were possessed by demons who changed their height. Or maybe the demons were allowed to alter the DNA of the children that made them grow to be extra large.
Or maybe they were angels, who at the time they were first created, rejected their task given to them by God to be these "Watchers". So during the time of Enoch, the angels were already demons who decided to do the opposite of their original task. How did they have children? Possibly they were given special permission from God to do so. It was a trial that God tasked the human race with at that time to overcome (to which they failed miserably). Theoretically, the anti christ is suppose to be the physical offspring of Satan (🤷♀️). If that is true then one may argue that it could of happened before (only it was with lesser demons and not with Satan himself)
Or maybe it is all just a fairytale.
Overall, while it's fun to speculate about it all, I'm going to remain a fense-sitting on it all.
1 Enoch says that they took on bodies of flesh.
We know that angels have the ability to change into men because we see it all over the Bible.
Their base form is pure spirit but that doesn’t mean that they can’t create a physical body. The angels that came to lot before sodom an Gomorrah had physical bodies they looked like very attractive men according to the sodomites of those cities.
The same questions came to my mind. It doesn't add up.
My thoughts exactly!!!!
That's a good point about angels not having bodies and being able to have sex with humans but do we know that for sure or rather do we know for sure that an angel couldn't find a way to make this happen?
Bad angels are strongly jealous of our human nature. I understood they are anti life...pro-abortion, ....and All angels have always been of a spiritual nature. God desired the creation of the human race after the creation of angels....to be his "children". Doubt if an evil angel could alter DNA. I also understand that the return of Elisha and Enoch were prophetic signal of the end time arrival of the Messiah.
I too thank you for such a thorough explanation of the nephilim.... To answer your questions , I do believe Peter and Jude believed that the nephilim Giants were actually fallen angels and human origin.... I too believe that Saint Augustine of Hippo and Aquinas would reconsider their view on this matter. Thank you once again.
I do believe Jude and Peter believed Enoch to be literal in his writings. However this raises a question for me; my understanding is that the angles do not have physical bodies , so how can (fallen) angles copulate with humans?
1 Hebrews 5
For to which of the angels hath he said at any time, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
If no angel has ever been called son of God, then the sons of God in Genesis are not angels.
The book of Job speaks of angels as "sons of God". As to their ability to have sexual relations with human women, in their original state they are sexless, but the 3 angels who visited Abraham and the 2 who visited Lot were able to eat a meal, so they obviously
Materialized complete human bodies. Faithful angels did this to act as God's messengers. Rebel angels did so to satisfy unnatural lust. It may be that Peter and Jude were not directly quoting the book of Enoch but rather ancient traditions from which the writer of he book of Enoch also drew upon.
@@davidg2839 no Hebrews 1 5 says God has called no Angel son, Job refers to the Sons of God in Job as those who sacrifice to God everyday.
They can take on human flesh.
This is wonderful. Thank you. This is why I like to buy your books and support you in appreciation for taking the time.
Thank goodness for our God's merciful justice!
I truly think the angels procreated something that was out of the natural order. The flood was such a drastic, epic event, it must have been over something horrific!
Angels don’t have bodies, they cannot procreate with one another or with humans.
Thank you for this, Pastor & Dr. Marshall
Dr. Hieser’s research is very strong
There are 2 obvious problems with the Enoch story:
1. Angels are incorporeal. They do not copulate as humans do.
2. An angel's will is fixed. If he fell, he did so at the beginning of time.
There is a reason Enoch is not in the Bible, but it cannot be dismissed completely. There is a hybrid interpretation possible. Each fallen angel had a purpose God assigned them that they rebelled against. The watchers could have been demons originally assigned to be guardian angels. In the book of Enoch, the chronology could be off regarding the timing of the demon's fall. Additionally, when the demons supposedly copulated with women, this could mean the demons influenced men from the line of Seth to be seduced by evil women. These women were their downfall, influencing them to commit idolatry and all manner of other sins. This happened to many other men in the Bible, such as Adam, Ahab, and Solomon.
That is possible. Maybe at the time these angels were created, what was their downfall was that when they were given the knowledge of women, they fell into lust at that time and damned themselves. Demons fell for many reasons, so why not lust?
@@rtfirefly8092 My understanding is that angels and demons, as incorporeal beings, do not have desires of the flesh as we do.