in Poland it is the only type of weapon that you can have without permission. Many people choose snubnose, greatgun derringer or ubertii cattleman for the caps, due to their small dimensions :)
Too many Americans think the world is America and have little understanding of other countries gun laws and just cannot comprehend why anyone would carry a BP revolver for self defense. On its own, black powder is a reliable, capable self defense firearm that served civillians and military for several hundred years. Not when put up against an Uzi 9mm full auto, like, duh, but if someone pulls a knife on you and you have a knife in one pocket and a .44 caliber BP snub nose revolver in the other, guess which gets drawn out? Any gun is better than no gun at all. :-)
I have a Pietta 1851 Navy and I cut the barrel down to 3 inches. And I put a fiber optic front sight. I have to load the cylinder off the gun now and I love the snub nose.
@@timesgonetech3057 Exactly. The best thing is that this weapon is not registered with us at all, which shows that any restrictions on modern weapons are unfounded
@@drmachinewerke1 any firearms manufactured before 1885 for separate loading or their modern replicas do not require registration or a permit. They are sold to people who are 18 years of age in gun stores. At online auctions from private individuals rarely anyone asks for documents, so in theory even a teenager is able to buy such a weapon. Carring it is not prohibited by law to carry this weapon loaded. there is a rule that all firearms must be carried in hiding. shooting can only be done in the shooting range and in the conditions of self-defense.
In the 1920's a girl was given an 1849 pocket model Colt by her father, he showed her how to load shot in 2 chambers and solid ball in the other 3 chambers . He told her to use the first chambers for snakes, (of which they had many on their farm) he also said the other 3 chambers were for other kinds of snakes. Her great grand son brought it to me to be unloaded and cleaned in the Spring of 1995, it was still loaded capped and ready as it had been since she was a 10 year old girl. She had kept it that way all her life, her grandson told me that she had told him when he was young that it still worked on snakes. In those days they didn't have much money and the gun still worked so it was used.
I totally agree, these lead bullets are soft so when they are rammed home they change shape from round ball to a much "chupa chups" shape and when their hit flesh and bone they'll start flatten out and will dump a lot of energy into the target.
The 220 grain conicals loaded currently in my '60 Snub are flattened out to essentially be full wadcutters, under a 22.5 grain Triple 7 charge. I probably could've fit 25 I realize now.
BP is only as reliable as the Caps. To keep them on I wax the cones. I also order the special cones that are better than OEM Pieta and Uberti (I forget the name of the two brand names for those Sure Fire Cones/Nipples). With those the caps tend to blow off rather than falling in the cylinder causing a minor jam as OEM tends to do. Only issue I have had is a chain fire once (MY FAULT as I did not lube or patch the cylinder properly). YEAH! You can leave a BP gun loaded in a dry space for decades and it will fire when called upon. Characteristics of a soft ball or conical is the expansion and splatter effect of the lead when hitting flesh and bone. The powder, lube, and residue will cause wounds to go septic fast as it is all nasty stuff. If it drags cloth into the wound - more nastiness for the victim. MEDIC!
Great idea about the wax! I just pinch the cap a little before pushing it on, forming it into a slightly oblong shape that grips the nipple better. I used to use a dab of clear nail polish on the nipple before sliding the cap on, which worked good too, but pinching is easier.
Black powder, while technically by definition is not a firearm, in most states once concealed becomes a concealed deadly weapon and subject to all CCW laws, like firearms and requires a permit in states that require CCW permits. Odd, but true. BP is also included in other restrictions such as public schools, hospitals, court houses, and so on. In more and more states it's almost like black powder guns aren't guns - until you try to carry one.
@@timesgonetech3057 None taken its good to talk about that some folks think you can carry them around and only a few states you can. If you have a ccw one would probably carry a modern pistol. If you don't have a ccw and can own black powder thats the catch. Its risky and not worth it to me anyway.
I reckon you could drop a bull with this revolver as well. I had an identical revolver, just like that one. I tested it over a Lab Radar chronograph with various loads. The best one was a home cast Lee 200 grain conical bullet on top of 28 grains of Triple 7 substitute powder, a dry felt wad CCI caps and home made beeswax / Olive oil lube. It clocked just under 900 feet per second ! You wouldn't want to get in the way of that ! Then I got to thinking, maybe the chrono is a bit optimistic ? So I had a Norinco M93, a Colt Woodsman .22lr copy with me and some standard CCI .22lr ammo. I knew the velocity of that was around the 875 fps mark so to the check the chrono we shot the Norinco over it. The numbers matched up..... 880 fps. So yeah I reckon Mr Pietta there is capable of stopping Senor Toro but would DEFINITELY stop any two legged predator using that load above.
Both Colts and Remingtons seem to perform better with conical projectiles and Triple 7. I'm old school black powder myself - I love the smell of sulfur and smoke in the morning! I use Triple 7 sometimes, but I also started making my own corned powder now that Goex is gone.
@@timesgonetech3057 I made a pound of powder from the Skylighter kit. I found that humidity greatly interferes with proper ball milling and causes large lumps to form in the mill. Dehydrating the saltpeter first in a dehydrator fixes this - this also keeps the weight ratios correct (saltpeter absorbs a lot of water from the atmosphere) and helps to prevent clumping. Anyway I had a pound of poorly ball milled powder that was way too slow to be of any use - maybe about 300 fps with a 7 1/2" barrel with a lot of variation. I tried mixing some 50/50 with Old Eynsford 3f and surprisingly it then worked fine, there was no reason to redo the batch. You'd think the mix would be an average of the two velocities but what I get is much better than that, about the same as Goex.
@@deandeann1541 I had the same problem with my ball mill - actually a rock polisher using .45 caliber round bullets, so stopped using it. Now I use a spice/coffee grinder to powder each ingredient separately and it works great. My next video after home made percussion caps is going to be about making powder at home. Your comments will be greatly appreciated.
@@timesgonetech3057 I've never heard of using a coffee grinder, that is new to me. Interesting. I have a stainless programmable Cabela's dehydrator, it dries the saltpeter very well, weighing before and after shows how much water was in it, it can be a lot. 1 1/2 hrs at 155 degrees works for me but I imagine that depends on how much water a particular batch has. I imagine you are using the Harbor Freight tumbler - I'm using the larger one - it does about 1/4 lb powder at once - the larger size is better because of the weight of the lead balls - it still only does one tumble container at once due to weight, one container with lead media reaches the tumbler's weight limit. For media I cast .454 hard lead balls using a Lee mold - no particular alloy, I just mixed a bunch of linotype and monotype in with a bunch of balls I recovered from a sandbox target I have. I mixed a few .69 caliber balls in also as mixed size media is supposed to increase grinding efficiency. Media size does not appear to have any effect on clumping, which appears to be entirely due to water content. Media half fills the container, perhaps a bit more than half. By chance it happens that I am ordering the Prime-All version of the Tap-A-Cap cap maker. Probably I will order the kit for making the H-48 primer composition as the included measuring spoons are convenient. It is an expensive way to get the chemicals, which are easily available, but the cost is not that significant per cap. I subscribed - hopefully that means I will notice when you make some more videos - oh, fyi McMaster Carr sells 1 sq ft screens in various mesh sizes including the meshes needed for various black powders. Although the measurements for sporting powder and blasting powder look similar be aware that they use completely different mesh counts for equivalent sounding powder. eg FFF blasting powder is much courser than 3f sporting powder. McMaster sells the screen cheaply but they nail you bad on shipping. Sometimes you can find gold panning screens on ebay of the correct mesh size with free shipping, they include a frame for the screen whereas the McMaster Carr screens are bare. If you find them on sale they can be a better deal than the McMaster Carr screens due to the free shipping. I got surprised with a $20 shipping fee with McMaster Carr. I don't know what Grainger's has. There are non corrosive priming recipes to be found on the Web - they are all more complex to make than H-48, and the ingredients can be more difficult to source. One of them - a lead based double salt, does not even become explosive until a small drop of water is added to the cap and a final reaction takes place. It does require doing some lead chemistry though and requires a bit of discipline.
@@deandeann1541 I'm putting together a video now on making caps with the 22lrreloader kit. But I may need to scrap and refilm. Everything that could go wrong did - including my cat jumping on my backdrop after a fly and crashing it down around my ears. But I got some caps made and hope to test them out tomorrow, and hopefully get it on line a day after that. Fingers crossed!
Hi there (from France) Best objective review on this Pietta snub nose I have seen. I just returned a SS 1858 uberti sheriff model with 2 major issues: bad barrel machining and off center pierced frame. How good is it at the range ? Thanks
The barrels on all of my Colts interchange easily but I have had issues changing cylinders. My 1851 belly gun and 1851 sheriff's model are supposedly the same frame yet the cylinders won't interchange.
@@timesgonetech3057 interesting. Yeah I have both styles and I have no problem changing cylinders between the sheriff's model, 7.5 or 8 inch. You know what I've heard of that before. I think that the one frame might be a hair short and the original barrel works fine but if you swap another barrel from another pistol it's fitted to that one. Obviously. Try putting a little spacer in the arbor hole, like a little piece of aluminum foil, something that you can easily remove, that might fix it. That's if you're still interested in swapping that barrel with the other frame.
I open carry two 1851 navy in 44 cal.... I carry daily.. sometimes i switch around to 1 1860, or my 1911. But i usually carry both 1851 navy,.. i have 1858 remingtons as well but i dont like the feel of them over the navy... People mock you for open carrying, or carrying black powder.. but like you said.. if they got a 44 cal ball in the gut.. i doubt they would be laughing. As for you not picking it for self defense... thats your choice. There is not much diff between a black powder revolver and a modern one, besides single and double action. Sure an auto loader is faster but still. I prefer my navys... the 1911 ive had many jams, and ammo not loading properly etc.. my 1851 navy if their clean never fired.. never had cap issues.. that only happens when the gun has gone through many cyclinders and is dirty
I currently own 4 revolvers and 2 semi autos (among other non-handguns) and I have much more problems with the semi autos jamming, and when they jam a live round is almost always involved. Like you say, keep them swabbed down and lubed every few cylinders and I can run rounds through my Colts all day.
noted that at ranges too, people always have some kind of malfuction or another.. but my black powder revolvers i just bring two, and like 8 cylinders and no issues till maybe the last cylinder might get stuck or a cap falls down inside
@@jeepsblackpowderandlights4305 I have had no cap jams in my 1851 in many, many years (maybe 15 years). I think it is due to my habit of cocking it with the barrel pointing up, that is what I do without even thinking about it. I think people were probably taught to cock them like that back in the nineteenth century. I don't get jams with my Remington either, but it's design is less prone to cap jams anyway.
And some people did try cartridges and then did go back to percussion. We tend to think everyone immediately just dumped their C&B guns overnight but C&B was very popular and well trusted and was used by some right into the early 1900s.
I have a Krist 22lr conversion cylinder would that work for this pistol? I believe it should because it works for my 7 inch barrel. Just want to make sure.
@@timesgonetech3057 My Pietta is a.44 but it's a 7in barrel and the Krist works just fine the manufacturer says long as its the 1851 or 1860 it should work but I'll give it a shot and gave an update the worst that could happen is that I just added to the arsenal 😁👌
@@B.Moore-Ready the length of barrel shouldn't make any difference. You wrote you had a 22LR cylinder which threw me off a little. If your conversion cylinder fits a Colt 1860 44 caliber Army frame then it should fit a Pietta 1851 Navy in 44 caliber. Same frame, different barrel. Good luck and let me know how it works!
@@timesgonetech3057 it is, been wanting to pick one up for my 1851 navy but for the price of just the grip and back strap, you may as well just purchase another model that has it already and swap the barrels and frame/grips to make a full length revolver.
To what purpose? The modern .38 will win in almost every comparison. My point here is not to say black powder is technically just as good as modern hand guns. Technically ANY modern handgun will out perform ANY black powder handgun. My point is, in many countries an average civillian cannot legally carry anything BUT black powder. Given that, how effective IS black powder on its own for realistic self defense? The kind of comparison you suggest, to me, seems like comparing a 1911 .45 semi auto pistol to a Thompson .45 machine gun to see which is more effective. Why?
Avenging Angel, equals aka Porter Rockwell, Mormon hitman in the 1850's who was called an Avenging Angel as he snuck around and murdered anybody who offended the Mormon church. He had a custom revolver. Beehive in Salt Lake sells reproductions oddly enough.
Historically many communities in the US have had local ordnances against openly carrying firearms, but by town ordnance, not by state law. I live in an open carry state and yet the 3 largest cities in it do not allow open carry within city limits. It's only a misdemeaner but still illegal. This is the same as fireworks being allowed by state law and yet prohibited in city limits by town ordnance. Ordnances against open carry of firearms within city limits is far more common throughout the US than you might think...
Tell from my stand point everyone crying, blasting and claiming that it is all weak, anemic and not worth the money!!!! I finally got tired of hearing it. I have asked a few of the nay sayers, to kindly step up and "Show Me" you stop the bullet and walk away, so far just been one huge back pedal no one is "BRAVE" or "STRONG" enough to show me a anything other than how cowardly they are....So eh it will serve
My mother carried a little .22 in her purse the last 20 years of her life. One day at a barbecue she mentioned it and one man started laughing and said "A .22!? What are you afraid of, squirrels?" And everyone else started laughing. She calmly pulled that .22 out, calmly pointed it right at his gut, and calmly asked how he'd like her to shoot him 3 or 4 times, looking him square in the eye, finger on the trigger. The laughter immediately stopped. Take it with a grain of salt. People are brave enough when the gun isn't pointed at them... :-)
I don't normally show how to load BP because I personally always skip past those parts in other videos. To me they're really boring and I never see someone in a video showing how to load a modern revolver. But you're not the first viewer to ask so I might start! :-)
@@timesgonetech3057 I was curious because that revolver does not have the built in ram. I assume you use some sort of external push rod or how hard you have to push.
Yes it came with a brass tamp rod. The frame has a hole where the loading ram would fit and I use the rod and tamp the ball down with a hammer. One decent (firm) tap usually does it. Some shooters use a jig to hold the gun in but I just brace it against my thigh. I sometimes also remove the cylinder for loading, placing it on a thick piece of tooling leather.
Yes, Colt only made 1 on special order for a Union officer in the Civil War. But most civillians sawed the barrels off on their own. Mine was made by Pietta. Thanks for watching my video and for the comment!
Black powder kill 700,000 and Twice that amount were wounded during the Civil War, with snipers shooting well over a 1000 yards. black powder won the west, plus gave us are independence
@@mattisenberger4042 I was just comparing it to the "caliber wars" gun magazines have been doing for decades recently. 9mm vs 45acp vs 40SW vs etc. 38 and 9mm is very close in bore as is the old BP 36 ball. Power wise there are differences of course. I know where you are coming from. Cheers!
@@mattisenberger4042 They are all the same caliber. 9mm and .38 are both .357 caliber. 9mm is the faster and stronger of the 2 - roughly high 300's in ftlbs for average 9mm vs high 200's for .average .38 Special.
Shoot to Maim? Put in some soft lead bird shot or rock salt. Good for snake rounds and up close Perp shaking. (Yes. I know it isn't a shotgun but... it could be)
1. Always assume a firearm is loaded until you verify it isn't. 2. NEVER rely on any safety. The only true 'Safe' is unloaded and loaded is never truly 'safe'. 3. Never point a firearm at anything you do not intend to shoot. 4. Always know what you're shooting at. Never assume or guess. 5. Never put your finger on the trigger until ready to shoot. NEVER. 6. If you shoot, shoot to kill. NEVER shoot to wound. A wounded adversary can still shoot back. A dead one can't...
Hi, thanks for the video, you certainly know your Colts. However, if you value your sex life, don't carry a cap and ball in the front pocket of your Levi's. All it takes is a fall or even to hit it off a hard surface, and you'll be singing soprano in your next video.
Not with the hammer down on a safety pin, or better, on an empty chamber. Fact is I have never heard of a verified instance of anyone ever actually shooting themselves accidentally with a C&B single action revolver although there are plenty of accounts of people shooting themselves accidentally with conventional firearms. I'm sure it's happened but I've not heard about it in 66 years.
@@exexpat11 An empty chamber is always the preferred option but one loses a round. In many countries BP is all a person can legally carry and I have no issues carrying 6 with the hammer on a safety pin in a secure holster. The comment about the pants pocket was just to point out how easy the snubnose .44 is to conceal for a large frame revolver. I don't actually carry one around in my jeans pocket. Duh... :-)
Thanks for that observation, but I didn't make it, I bought it from Pietta. There are a lot of really great private gunsmiths out there. Unfortunately their work also usually has a corresponding price tag. For 400 dollars, I stand by the Pietta 3" snub nose as a good affordable firearm. You are certainly free to disagree and welcome to do so. If you can make and sell a better one for the same price and stay in business, then bless your heart! Send me one and I'll do a review on it comparing it to the Pietta. :-)
Oh I know that what I was saying is the fact that the pietta 1851 navy.36 original or fantasy.44 they are the finest example of reproduction revolvers I've owned all of them over the years but the 1851 is by far and away my all time favorites I am trying to send you some pics of the 1851 confederate navy .44 defenders
I literally have no idea how to get these photos to you send me your email and I will send you the folder and I do good work uncle sam got me started in 85 and I want y'all to see these
Good insightful video. If you want the ultimate in power out of your Steel Framed Percussion revolvers. Then check out my invention of RFN Universal Bullets. I designed my Universal Bullets for Hunting and Wilderness defensive purposes of apex predator animals in mind. One of my Universal Bullet Customer's , who has the same 1851 44 snub nose revolvers that you have, loaded it with 30 grains of Pyrodex P Powder and my 240 grain RFN Universal Bullet cast of Clip On Wheel weight Lead. He loaded it with use of the Tower of Powder Loading Press and test fired , it into an Oak Tree within 20 yards, my 24o grain Universal bullets penetrated 5 inches to that Oak tree, which he retreived , by cutting out the bullets. I recommend that all Colt stale open top percussion revolvers have taller sights mounted on as well as to deepen and open up the rear hammer sight with a fine triangle shaped file and spot blue the enlarged sight afterwards. For mounting taller sights and reaming /chamfering cylinders, cutting Forcing Cones, Pinning Arbor Pins, enlarging Loading Ports and all other improvements, I highly recommend the services of Master Black Powder Gunsmith ,Dykes Reber, of the muzzleloadershop.com located in Berryville Arkansas.
Depends on your jurisduction. Where I live BP is legal for felons in open carry but not concealed carry. That little .44 caliber 3" snubnose 6 shot revolver is legal for a convicted felon to carry on the hip in public, where I live.
in Poland it is the only type of weapon that you can have without permission. Many people choose snubnose, greatgun derringer or ubertii cattleman for the caps, due to their small dimensions :)
Too many Americans think the world is America and have little understanding of other countries gun laws and just cannot comprehend why anyone would carry a BP revolver for self defense. On its own, black powder is a reliable, capable self defense firearm that served civillians and military for several hundred years. Not when put up against an Uzi 9mm full auto, like, duh, but if someone pulls a knife on you and you have a knife in one pocket and a .44 caliber BP snub nose revolver in the other, guess which gets drawn out? Any gun is better than no gun at all. :-)
I have a Pietta 1851 Navy and I cut the barrel down to 3 inches. And I put a fiber optic front sight. I have to load the cylinder off the gun now and I love the snub nose.
@@timesgonetech3057 Exactly. The best thing is that this weapon is not registered with us at all, which shows that any restrictions on modern weapons are unfounded
You should do a video on how your gun laws work , purchase, range , transport etc.
@@drmachinewerke1 any firearms manufactured before 1885 for separate loading or their modern replicas do not require registration or a permit. They are sold to people who are 18 years of age in gun stores. At online auctions from private individuals rarely anyone asks for documents, so in theory even a teenager is able to buy such a weapon. Carring it is not prohibited by law to carry this weapon loaded. there is a rule that all firearms must be carried in hiding. shooting can only be done in the shooting range and in the conditions of self-defense.
That's a swell gun, I have always loved black powder guns. Great video
In the 1920's a girl was given an 1849 pocket model Colt by her father, he showed her how to load shot in 2 chambers and solid ball in the other 3 chambers . He told her to use the first chambers for snakes, (of which they had many on their farm) he also said the other 3 chambers were for other kinds of snakes. Her great grand son brought it to me to be unloaded and cleaned in the Spring of 1995, it was still loaded capped and ready as it had been since she was a 10 year old girl. She had kept it that way all her life, her grandson told me that she had told him when he was young that it still worked on snakes. In those days they didn't have much money and the gun still worked so it was used.
Great video. I love that little beauty. Thank you for sharing.
I totally agree, these lead bullets are soft so when they are rammed home they change shape from round ball to a much "chupa chups" shape and when their hit flesh and bone they'll start flatten out and will dump a lot of energy into the target.
The 220 grain conicals loaded currently in my '60 Snub are flattened out to essentially be full wadcutters, under a 22.5 grain Triple 7 charge. I probably could've fit 25 I realize now.
Interesting video neat looking snub. Have had some interest in this revolver good presentation.
I have a lot of guns I want to get into the ball and Cap game and that thing is absolutely beautiful sir!
The Legendary "Paul Harrell Meat Target"... RIP Paul ...
Gone but never forgotten - and I will always call it "The Paul Harrell Meat Target".
BP is only as reliable as the Caps. To keep them on I wax the cones. I also order the special cones that are better than OEM Pieta and Uberti (I forget the name of the two brand names for those Sure Fire Cones/Nipples). With those the caps tend to blow off rather than falling in the cylinder causing a minor jam as OEM tends to do. Only issue I have had is a chain fire once (MY FAULT as I did not lube or patch the cylinder properly). YEAH! You can leave a BP gun loaded in a dry space for decades and it will fire when called upon.
Characteristics of a soft ball or conical is the expansion and splatter effect of the lead when hitting flesh and bone. The powder, lube, and residue will cause wounds to go septic fast as it is all nasty stuff. If it drags cloth into the wound - more nastiness for the victim. MEDIC!
Great idea about the wax! I just pinch the cap a little before pushing it on, forming it into a slightly oblong shape that grips the nipple better. I used to use a dab of clear nail polish on the nipple before sliding the cap on, which worked good too, but pinching is easier.
I have a 1860 snubnose 44 birds head gripps. Its ossom. The best handling hand gun iv ever had should of bought two
Have two 1860 Army white steel birds heads. Love em
Great presentation. Hoping laws change enough to carry mine concealed. ID be more than feeling safe
Black powder, while technically by definition is not a firearm, in most states once concealed becomes a concealed deadly weapon and subject to all CCW laws, like firearms and requires a permit in states that require CCW permits. Odd, but true. BP is also included in other restrictions such as public schools, hospitals, court houses, and so on. In more and more states it's almost like black powder guns aren't guns - until you try to carry one.
@@timesgonetech3057 I'm aware of all this. I mentioned when Laws change. I keep them in my home which is legal in my state.
@@josephlahood4647 I tend to ramble and repeat myself time to time. Meant no offense. :-)
@@timesgonetech3057 None taken its good to talk about that some folks think you can carry them around and only a few states you can. If you have a ccw one would probably carry a modern pistol. If you don't have a ccw and can own black powder thats the catch. Its risky and not worth it to me anyway.
I reckon you could drop a bull with this revolver as well.
I had an identical revolver, just like that one. I tested it over a Lab Radar chronograph with various loads.
The best one was a home cast Lee 200 grain conical bullet on top of 28 grains of Triple 7 substitute powder, a dry felt wad CCI caps and home made beeswax / Olive oil lube.
It clocked just under 900 feet per second !
You wouldn't want to get in the way of that !
Then I got to thinking, maybe the chrono is a bit optimistic ?
So I had a Norinco M93, a Colt Woodsman .22lr copy with me and some standard CCI .22lr ammo. I knew the velocity of that was around the 875 fps mark so to the check the chrono we shot the Norinco over it. The numbers matched up..... 880 fps.
So yeah I reckon Mr Pietta there is capable of stopping Senor Toro but would DEFINITELY stop any two legged predator using that load above.
Both Colts and Remingtons seem to perform better with conical projectiles and Triple 7. I'm old school black powder myself - I love the smell of sulfur and smoke in the morning! I use Triple 7 sometimes, but I also started making my own corned powder now that Goex is gone.
@@timesgonetech3057 I made a pound of powder from the Skylighter kit. I found that humidity greatly interferes with proper ball milling and causes large lumps to form in the mill. Dehydrating the saltpeter first in a dehydrator fixes this - this also keeps the weight ratios correct (saltpeter absorbs a lot of water from the atmosphere) and helps to prevent clumping. Anyway I had a pound of poorly ball milled powder that was way too slow to be of any use - maybe about 300 fps with a 7 1/2" barrel with a lot of variation. I tried mixing some 50/50 with Old Eynsford 3f and surprisingly it then worked fine, there was no reason to redo the batch. You'd think the mix would be an average of the two velocities but what I get is much better than that, about the same as Goex.
@@deandeann1541 I had the same problem with my ball mill - actually a rock polisher using .45 caliber round bullets, so stopped using it. Now I use a spice/coffee grinder to powder each ingredient separately and it works great. My next video after home made percussion caps is going to be about making powder at home. Your comments will be greatly appreciated.
@@timesgonetech3057 I've never heard of using a coffee grinder, that is new to me. Interesting. I have a stainless programmable Cabela's dehydrator, it dries the saltpeter very well, weighing before and after shows how much water was in it, it can be a lot. 1 1/2 hrs at 155 degrees works for me but I imagine that depends on how much water a particular batch has.
I imagine you are using the Harbor Freight tumbler - I'm using the larger one - it does about 1/4 lb powder at once - the larger size is better because of the weight of the lead balls - it still only does one tumble container at once due to weight, one container with lead media reaches the tumbler's weight limit. For media I cast .454 hard lead balls using a Lee mold - no particular alloy, I just mixed a bunch of linotype and monotype in with a bunch of balls I recovered from a sandbox target I have. I mixed a few .69 caliber balls in also as mixed size media is supposed to increase grinding efficiency. Media size does not appear to have any effect on clumping, which appears to be entirely due to water content. Media half fills the container, perhaps a bit more than half.
By chance it happens that I am ordering the Prime-All version of the Tap-A-Cap cap maker. Probably I will order the kit for making the H-48 primer composition as the included measuring spoons are convenient. It is an expensive way to get the chemicals, which are easily available, but the cost is not that significant per cap.
I subscribed - hopefully that means I will notice when you make some more videos - oh, fyi McMaster Carr sells 1 sq ft screens in various mesh sizes including the meshes needed for various black powders. Although the measurements for sporting powder and blasting powder look similar be aware that they use completely different mesh counts for equivalent sounding powder. eg FFF blasting powder is much courser than 3f sporting powder. McMaster sells the screen cheaply but they nail you bad on shipping. Sometimes you can find gold panning screens on ebay of the correct mesh size with free shipping, they include a frame for the screen whereas the McMaster Carr screens are bare. If you find them on sale they can be a better deal than the McMaster Carr screens due to the free shipping. I got surprised with a $20 shipping fee with McMaster Carr. I don't know what Grainger's has.
There are non corrosive priming recipes to be found on the Web - they are all more complex to make than H-48, and the ingredients can be more difficult to source. One of them - a lead based double salt, does not even become explosive until a small drop of water is added to the cap and a final reaction takes place. It does require doing some lead chemistry though and requires a bit of discipline.
@@deandeann1541 I'm putting together a video now on making caps with the 22lrreloader kit. But I may need to scrap and refilm. Everything that could go wrong did - including my cat jumping on my backdrop after a fly and crashing it down around my ears. But I got some caps made and hope to test them out tomorrow, and hopefully get it on line a day after that. Fingers crossed!
Hi there (from France)
Best objective review on this Pietta snub nose I have seen.
I just returned a SS 1858 uberti sheriff model with 2 major issues: bad barrel machining and off center pierced frame.
How good is it at the range ?
Thanks
Thank you!
This is a Good Video, I like the real talk!!
Please check and see if a 7.5" barrel will interchange. Would be great to practice with the 7.5 and around the house 3" ...2in1 gun
The barrels do interchange. I swap barrels all the time. Just change them with the same manufacturer.
51's and 60's are interchangeable
The barrels on all of my Colts interchange easily but I have had issues changing cylinders. My 1851 belly gun and 1851 sheriff's model are supposedly the same frame yet the cylinders won't interchange.
@@timesgonetech3057 interesting. Yeah I have both styles and I have no problem changing cylinders between the sheriff's model, 7.5 or 8 inch. You know what I've heard of that before. I think that the one frame might be a hair short and the original barrel works fine but if you swap another barrel from another pistol it's fitted to that one. Obviously. Try putting a little spacer in the arbor hole, like a little piece of aluminum foil, something that you can easily remove, that might fix it. That's if you're still interested in swapping that barrel with the other frame.
shame there is not a pocket model with a birds gead grip .Or is there?
I've not yet found one. I'd love to have one too! We may have to just make our own.
I open carry two 1851 navy in 44 cal.... I carry daily.. sometimes i switch around to 1 1860, or my 1911. But i usually carry both 1851 navy,.. i have 1858 remingtons as well but i dont like the feel of them over the navy... People mock you for open carrying, or carrying black powder.. but like you said.. if they got a 44 cal ball in the gut.. i doubt they would be laughing. As for you not picking it for self defense... thats your choice. There is not much diff between a black powder revolver and a modern one, besides single and double action. Sure an auto loader is faster but still. I prefer my navys... the 1911 ive had many jams, and ammo not loading properly etc.. my 1851 navy if their clean never fired.. never had cap issues.. that only happens when the gun has gone through many cyclinders and is dirty
I currently own 4 revolvers and 2 semi autos (among other non-handguns) and I have much more problems with the semi autos jamming, and when they jam a live round is almost always involved. Like you say, keep them swabbed down and lubed every few cylinders and I can run rounds through my Colts all day.
noted that at ranges too, people always have some kind of malfuction or another.. but my black powder revolvers i just bring two, and like 8 cylinders and no issues till maybe the last cylinder might get stuck or a cap falls down inside
@@jeepsblackpowderandlights4305 I have had no cap jams in my 1851 in many, many years (maybe 15 years). I think it is due to my habit of cocking it with the barrel pointing up, that is what I do without even thinking about it. I think people were probably taught to cock them like that back in the nineteenth century. I don't get jams with my Remington either, but it's design is less prone to cap jams anyway.
I carry a 1858 Remington New Model Army
.36 Caliber with the .38 Caliber Cartridge Conversion Cylinder in a shoulder holster.
While talking about old guns, please remember that many guns in the transition era were made to usr brass, or switch back to percussion.
And some people did try cartridges and then did go back to percussion. We tend to think everyone immediately just dumped their C&B guns overnight but C&B was very popular and well trusted and was used by some right into the early 1900s.
I have a Krist 22lr conversion cylinder would that work for this pistol? I believe it should because it works for my 7 inch barrel. Just want to make sure.
The Pietta Avenging Angel comes in 36 or 44 caliber. Not sure a 22 lr cylinder would fit.
@@timesgonetech3057 My Pietta is a.44 but it's a 7in barrel and the Krist works just fine the manufacturer says long as its the 1851 or 1860 it should work but I'll give it a shot and gave an update the worst that could happen is that I just added to the arsenal 😁👌
@@B.Moore-Ready the length of barrel shouldn't make any difference. You wrote you had a 22LR cylinder which threw me off a little. If your conversion cylinder fits a Colt 1860 44 caliber Army frame then it should fit a Pietta 1851 Navy in 44 caliber. Same frame, different barrel. Good luck and let me know how it works!
@@timesgonetech3057 Will do
I really wish pietta would offer more 1851/1860 models with the birds head grip.
That is pretty cool, huh!
@@timesgonetech3057 it is, been wanting to pick one up for my 1851 navy but for the price of just the grip and back strap, you may as well just purchase another model that has it already and swap the barrels and frame/grips to make a full length revolver.
For a long time in the 20th century the police used 38's. Correct? So how about comparing this 44 Cap and ball black powder with that?
To what purpose? The modern .38 will win in almost every comparison. My point here is not to say black powder is technically just as good as modern hand guns. Technically ANY modern handgun will out perform ANY black powder handgun. My point is, in many countries an average civillian cannot legally carry anything BUT black powder. Given that, how effective IS black powder on its own for realistic self defense? The kind of comparison you suggest, to me, seems like comparing a 1911 .45 semi auto pistol to a Thompson .45 machine gun to see which is more effective. Why?
@@timesgonetech3057 The two calibers are roughly the same power wise. A 7 1/2" percussion revolver can out power a .38 Special snubby.
Avenging Angel, equals aka Porter Rockwell, Mormon hitman in the 1850's who was called an Avenging Angel as he snuck around and murdered anybody who offended the Mormon church. He had a custom revolver. Beehive in Salt Lake sells reproductions oddly enough.
What State are you in. In Texas anyone can carry one.
Historically many communities in the US have had local ordnances against openly carrying firearms, but by town ordnance, not by state law. I live in an open carry state and yet the 3 largest cities in it do not allow open carry within city limits. It's only a misdemeaner but still illegal. This is the same as fireworks being allowed by state law and yet prohibited in city limits by town ordnance. Ordnances against open carry of firearms within city limits is far more common throughout the US than you might think...
@@timesgonetech3057 what state are you in
@@timesgonetech3057 I dont open carry anyway
Tell from my stand point everyone crying, blasting and claiming that it is all weak, anemic and not worth the money!!!! I finally got tired of hearing it. I have asked a few of the nay sayers, to kindly step up and "Show Me" you stop the bullet and walk away, so far just been one huge back pedal no one is "BRAVE" or "STRONG" enough to show me a anything other than how cowardly they are....So eh it will serve
My mother carried a little .22 in her purse the last 20 years of her life. One day at a barbecue she mentioned it and one man started laughing and said "A .22!? What are you afraid of, squirrels?" And everyone else started laughing. She calmly pulled that .22 out, calmly pointed it right at his gut, and calmly asked how he'd like her to shoot him 3 or 4 times, looking him square in the eye, finger on the trigger. The laughter immediately stopped. Take it with a grain of salt. People are brave enough when the gun isn't pointed at them... :-)
@@timesgonetech3057 Your mother sounds Texan.
I Carry Either A Ruger LCP Max 10rds In
.380 or A Glock 26, 16rds In 9mm...
(No BP Pistols For Me For SD)...
How to reload?
I don't normally show how to load BP because I personally always skip past those parts in other videos. To me they're really boring and I never see someone in a video showing how to load a modern revolver. But you're not the first viewer to ask so I might start! :-)
@@timesgonetech3057 I was curious because that revolver does not have the built in ram. I assume you use some sort of external push rod or how hard you have to push.
Yes it came with a brass tamp rod. The frame has a hole where the loading ram would fit and I use the rod and tamp the ball down with a hammer. One decent (firm) tap usually does it. Some shooters use a jig to hold the gun in but I just brace it against my thigh. I sometimes also remove the cylinder for loading, placing it on a thick piece of tooling leather.
PIETTA 👍🤠
Don't like loading levers anyway. You have six shots. Probably won't need immediate reloading
Kind of when they swung the Saloon doors open and everyone turned around
And it beats that La Matt nine shooter any day . Thanks
a lot of gun of this type they have existed not an industrial making but sawed by the owner !! search you find a lot of pics
Yes, Colt only made 1 on special order for a Union officer in the Civil War. But most civillians sawed the barrels off on their own. Mine was made by Pietta. Thanks for watching my video and for the comment!
Damn I kind of liked the Hollywood depiction
900 that in the .45acp range
Exactly! People who laugh at black powder usually don't realize what they're laughing at. :-)
Black powder kill 700,000 and Twice that amount were wounded during the Civil War, with snipers shooting well over a 1000 yards. black powder won the west, plus gave us are independence
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Paterson navy's are the best!
Pocket Navy...
I guess this guy don't know wild Bill carried two 1851 navies until the day he died.
44 BP was the 45ACP of it's day and 36 was the 9mm. If there were gun mags back then they would be doing the 44 vs 36 covers from 1860 to 1889.
@@exexpat11 actually, a .36 cal. Is closer to a .38 in power. A 9mm is faster but weaker in energy.
@@mattisenberger4042 I was just comparing it to the "caliber wars" gun magazines have been doing for decades recently. 9mm vs 45acp vs 40SW vs etc. 38 and 9mm is very close in bore as is the old BP 36 ball. Power wise there are differences of course. I know where you are coming from. Cheers!
@@mattisenberger4042 They are all the same caliber. 9mm and .38 are both .357 caliber. 9mm is the faster and stronger of the 2 - roughly high 300's in ftlbs for average 9mm vs high 200's for .average .38 Special.
Stop the threat. Better off not killing them I feel
Shoot to Maim? Put in some soft lead bird shot or rock salt. Good for snake rounds and up close Perp shaking. (Yes. I know it isn't a shotgun but... it could be)
1. Always assume a firearm is loaded until you verify it isn't.
2. NEVER rely on any safety. The only true 'Safe' is unloaded and loaded is never truly 'safe'.
3. Never point a firearm at anything you do not intend to shoot.
4. Always know what you're shooting at. Never assume or guess.
5. Never put your finger on the trigger until ready to shoot. NEVER.
6. If you shoot, shoot to kill. NEVER shoot to wound. A wounded adversary can still shoot back. A dead one can't...
Hi, thanks for the video, you certainly know your Colts. However, if you value your sex life, don't carry a cap and ball in the front pocket of your Levi's. All it takes is a fall or even to hit it off a hard surface, and you'll be singing soprano in your next video.
Not with the hammer down on a safety pin, or better, on an empty chamber. Fact is I have never heard of a verified instance of anyone ever actually shooting themselves accidentally with a C&B single action revolver although there are plenty of accounts of people shooting themselves accidentally with conventional firearms. I'm sure it's happened but I've not heard about it in 66 years.
@@timesgonetech3057 What he said. Empty chamber for long term carry. Pin on the range if you insist going on a full tank (cylinder) of lead.
@@exexpat11 An empty chamber is always the preferred option but one loses a round. In many countries BP is all a person can legally carry and I have no issues carrying 6 with the hammer on a safety pin in a secure holster. The comment about the pants pocket was just to point out how easy the snubnose .44 is to conceal for a large frame revolver. I don't actually carry one around in my jeans pocket. Duh... :-)
@@timesgonetech3057 Absolutely! Totally agree!
@@timesgonetech3057 The safety notch in the Remington is a lot more secure than the Colt safety pin. Colts are lighter and point better for me though.
Dodging in and out of frame was distracting. Should have been better prepared to make this video.
He'll yaa
This info. Yikes.
I've built my own and it's way better than that ugly little thing
Thanks for that observation, but I didn't make it, I bought it from Pietta. There are a lot of really great private gunsmiths out there. Unfortunately their work also usually has a corresponding price tag. For 400 dollars, I stand by the Pietta 3" snub nose as a good affordable firearm. You are certainly free to disagree and welcome to do so. If you can make and sell a better one for the same price and stay in business, then bless your heart! Send me one and I'll do a review on it comparing it to the Pietta. :-)
Oh I know that what I was saying is the fact that the pietta 1851 navy.36 original or fantasy.44 they are the finest example of reproduction revolvers I've owned all of them over the years but the 1851 is by far and away my all time favorites I am trying to send you some pics of the 1851 confederate navy .44 defenders
I literally have no idea how to get these photos to you send me your email and I will send you the folder and I do good work uncle sam got me started in 85 and I want y'all to see these
WELL LADEDA !!
Good insightful video.
If you want the ultimate in power out of your Steel Framed Percussion revolvers. Then check out my invention of RFN Universal Bullets. I designed my Universal Bullets for Hunting and Wilderness defensive purposes of apex predator animals in mind.
One of my Universal Bullet Customer's , who has the same 1851 44 snub nose revolvers that you have, loaded it with 30 grains of Pyrodex P Powder and my 240 grain RFN Universal Bullet cast of Clip On Wheel weight Lead. He loaded it with use of the Tower of Powder Loading Press and test fired , it into an Oak Tree within 20 yards, my 24o grain Universal bullets penetrated 5 inches to that Oak tree, which he retreived , by cutting out the bullets.
I recommend that all Colt stale open top percussion revolvers have taller sights mounted on as well as to deepen and open up the rear hammer sight with a fine triangle shaped file and spot blue the enlarged sight afterwards. For mounting taller sights and reaming /chamfering cylinders, cutting Forcing Cones, Pinning Arbor Pins, enlarging Loading Ports and all other improvements, I highly recommend the services of Master Black Powder Gunsmith ,Dykes Reber, of the muzzleloadershop.com located in Berryville Arkansas.
That's that legal for a felon pistol.
Depends on your jurisduction. Where I live BP is legal for felons in open carry but not concealed carry. That little .44 caliber 3" snubnose 6 shot revolver is legal for a convicted felon to carry on the hip in public, where I live.