Photographing (more) London Alleyways
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 พ.ย. 2022
- So, I'm back in London, shooting even more London alleyways and back streets. This time however, it's not all plain-sailing, as a brush with security means I have to stand my ground on where I can take my pictures!
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So many people are unaware of the laws around photography in private and public spaces. You were absolutely right. You can take photos of whatever you please on public land. No one has the legal power to stop you, or ask to delete photos taken on public property. Great video.
Walked into a bank to take a shot of their lobby, they asked me to stop. I asked can I use my phone and they said OK. One of your best!!
You were definitely in the right you can take pictures of anything you can see from a public place, the police would need a court order to delete pictures, maybe they could have popped into the Bailey to ask 😅keep up the excellent work Craig.
A caveat here is that there are special rules for the Law Courts, may or may not apply in this case.
@@birdingbilly you mean court precincts? If Craig was trespassing they can ask him to leave, that’s a civil matter not criminal, they definitely don’t have the right or power to ask or make him delete pictures.
@@seanaidan4577 It's a tricky one this - that walkway may well be private land
@@birdingbilly It maybe called called "quasi-public private" and that is one of the sleight of hand legal magic tricks that the corrupt establishment pull without informing the public. I have plenty of experience with the dumbed-down agents of the fictional state in my time.
@@birdingbilly if it’s privately owned there should be a sign saying “no public access” or “restricted area” even if it was private it was publicly accessible, I didn’t see him cross any gates or barriers, this is happening more and more now to photographers, if you are standing in/on a public path/road you can take pictures of anything you can see, that’s the law, also section 32 (?) of the criminal justice act 1972, if security guards etc don’t want you to photograph a building (as an example) they need to cover it up so you can’t see it. We need to know our rights 📸📸👍
Security Guards, one step down from a Traffic Warden !
And how many steps above you?
This channel is unique. On a lot of others the photos are being taken from very well known hotspots. Iceland, Glencoe, Tuscany etc. Don‘t get me wrong. The photos are mostly fantastic. But very often they differ just by the light conditions on the spot. In contrast on this channel there are so many refreshing new perspectives. Like this episode for example. The concept of this channel is very inspiring. It should have a lot more subscribers!
Great results. Enjoyed the walk through with you.
Well done for standing your ground with security. Important for photographers to challenge all efforts to prevent us from taking photographs in situations where it is not illegal to do so. Another great vlog too, a difficult subject but some fantastic shots.
It always amazes me how you can find these great composition in everyday locations.
Always a pleasure to watch your videos! Worth noting that it is always wise to know your legal rights as a photographer, wherever we shoot.
So nicely done ,wonderful images.
Enjoyed the video. Stand your ground. Thanks for posting.
Great stuff (as always). Thank you.
Straightforward. Interesting. Informative. And great photos. Thanks Craig.
Ironic that they saw you taking pictures because they have video cameras in a public walkway taking pictures of you !!!
Glad you stood your ground.
I was asked to stop taking photos/video at a car show some time ago on private land (shopping mall car park). I was using a DSLR and a tripod but security never spoke to any of the people using their mobile phones to do the same !!
Very strange 🤷♂️
Great video well done on standing up for your rights, far too many people having their freedoms restricted
Great video thanks Craig.
Awwk No pictures, awwk No pictures !!! You made their day giving them an excuse to come out and squawk at someone
Wonderful vlog - one of your best
Since lockdown, I've noticed people - public and security - seem far more prickly about people taking photos in public spaces. I am part of a photowalk group, and we've been stopped twice by representatives of private security firms in public spaces. Yet the reason they saw us is that we're being monitored, probably with facial recognition, etc., for a reason, yet they're wanting us to stop when we're just taking snaps in the street for no reason apart from pleasure. It seems to be becoming very Big Brother. It's very disconcerting when aggressively confronted whilst doing something innocent... 😔
Great vid and images which brought back a few memories of when I used to live and work in London. Just wish I had taken more advantage of it back then.
Oh man, what fun you had with the fence and graphic scenes!
Excellent, Enjoyable, Informative 👏
Lovely video and superb images.
Can get bit tricky. Seems strange when a public place. We have a few great laneways here in Melbourne which are always being photographed but some foyers inside private buildings of course are no-nos.
Love your photos, great eye for it
Keep it up. Very inspiring.
You have a wonderful eye.
Interesting confrontation. I have been stopped by security in The Quays (Media City), which they have a right to do as it is private land however after I had showed them what I was photographing they were happy enough to let me carry on.
Britain: "You can't take photos here!"
Also Britain: More CCTV per capita than any other country on Earth
You seems knowledgeable about the law regarding take pictures on public space. Would you mind do a video on that topic? Photographers are constantly confronted with this king of situation and often a bit confused on what to do.
11:36 I was outside that build taking some pictures a few weeks ago and got hassle from security. He said that I couldn’t take pictures of that arched walkway while standing on the public pavement. I told him that I can, I’m on the public pavement and I can take a picture of whatever I can see. After a couple of minutes the security guy walked away and left me to it.
You were definetly right, you can take photos or video of anything or anyone you can see from a public place
As for deleting pictures, absolutely no chance.
Ironic they say they have cameras. So they can film you but you can't take pictures in a public place. 🙄
I think the irony was wasted on them
quite interesting discussion, its always surprising how limited knowledge security employees have about the law
Great episode, as always. Your style is inspiring. Too bad about the interaction with the hobby cops. Sadly, no one really seems to have a good handle on the subject. I guess it really isn’t an entirely black and white issue. One of your Brit street photography you tube colleagues had a vid a couple years ago where he interviewed a senior London cop about the topic. It was interesting and informative and basically said we have a lot more rights to photograph than the hobby cops would like to believe.
Very nice video. Wonderful photos & I am an E6 subscriber & it is worth the price of admission. Unsolicited comment
I remember when I was younger, not long after I learnt to drive, of finding Lower Robert Street, it was very handy if you wanted to get from the Embankment to the Strand. It also impressed my mates whenever I drove them up the West End that I knew about it, as it looked like a dead end. I don't think you drive through there now unfortunately, last time I tried it, it was closed off with roller shutters.
Some nice shots as always, finding something in nothing.
Previously you were referring e6 as a slide development process, in contrast with the c41 colour one. I guess I’m getting old. Nice work as usual.
Yes, that’s the other connection see Frederic! I’m using an old processing term to name my subscription package. I’m referencing the past with my future-proof subscription!
Whenever there is a run in with security guards, they never seem that sure on why or the law.
It would be interesting to setup and start sketching these locations, what would they say, I'm sorry there are cameras here we don't allow you to draw pictures
Splendid vid!
One spot, so many photos.
Great idea for a shoot and love the pix as always. Wonder whether security would have bothered you at all if you were using a cell phone only in the alleyway?
Great photos and tips! One of my favourites was at 10:10, can I ask what lens you used?
I was advised once that it is in fact illegal for them to ask you to delete images even if taken on private property, this would in fact be destroying evidence if they want to take it further.
I've been stopped from photographing in the neighbourhood of Law Courts in Derby, but I have also been given permission, on request, to take certain pictures, not people. Your lady mentioned the courts as the reason, but I don't know if there are specific laws relating to them.
Well it made her feel all special. Bless her wrinkled old cotton socks.
Are you on public land?
Is everything visible from the public land?
Are any private buildings identifiable (e.g. through windows)?
Are you invading anyone's privacy (as above)?
Is any building's image copyrighted?
Do you need a permit, or permission, for video or photos?
What are you taking the photo for (commercial or editorial - or art)?
Sheesh. I'm getting sick to death of jobsworth with a little power and no idea of the laws. Apart from that great video. As usual.
16:04 a gentleman behind you was a gold shot with a huge letter above him! What's he doing there alone? Does he "discover" something under a nice weather? Small thing can be a surprise in our daily life.
It would be quite amusing to put in a request for a copy of the CCTV recording of your encounter with the lady at Warwick Passage under the General Data Protection Regulations. I doubt that they could claim an exemption.
Well done ma n for standing your ground. Soon a photographer needs to carry a solicitor in their pocket. All these made up laws on the spot, what to photograph and what not to.
You know, for some reason I don't think those were real giraffes. Is the Courts walkway public land or private land with public access? They wouldn't be able to make you delete any pictures (unless they were able to obtain a court order I believe) but private land with public access can prohibit taking photos and ask you to leave (in the same way a shopping centre can) but can't look at the photos and can't insist you delete them. It can be confusing at times as which is public and which is private at times - that lovely little walkway you found near the Adelphi looks like it could be private with public access.
I preferred the Ship and Shovel in colour - it really stood out.
THATS NOT A 24mm - THATS A 12mm. Sure you might be on a crop camera but it's still a 12mm. Great photos either way.
You spoilt that comment right at the last moment! Of course I know it’s a 12mm lens, but the field of view isn’t🙄
@e6 Vlogs I think people make too big a deal about full frame equivalents, as it is the field of view of a 12mm on a cropped camera. Saying that you were taking a wide angle shot got the idea across.
@@geekinthegarden3927 It's just informing viewers who want to know. If you don't shoot MFT you may not know what an Olympus 12mm field of view is compared to your own camera. Defaulting to full frame terms, at least does give a point of reference.
May I ask, which other lenses you use on your Olympus pen F. I'm only asking as I'm trying to make a small outfit for myself.
All the small primes, 12,17,25,30, with third party 10 and 60mm.
@@e6Vlogs thanks for the quick reply, I might have to try a few and see what I like.
Who dosen't like the "why are you taking pictures crowd" ? They are such a great group of people, verry smart, intelectuals, not at all ignorants of the law and frustated twats...One will have great conversation with them...
As per other comments on here, you can take photos and video from any public pavement, forum, right of way, thorough fair, access.
Private security should be told to get lost as they are mostly not aware of any law and believe they have more powers than tge police !
Where is the alleyway at 11.37, the arches and pillars ! ?
interesting that they can record what you are doing with their cameras 🤣
So happy we don’t have any of that nonsense in Florida, they don’t even bother me in the malls.
I bet if you asked the staff at the law court to delete the images they took of you on their CCTV they wouldn't. 🙂
Shooting in public places is one thing, but what about people that are recognizable/identifiable, eg the ones you filmed in the tube?
They are also in a public space, so they become fair game, hence the same with CCTV capture.
unless there are specific reasons, eg children whose identity needs protecting or you are somewhere that photography is not [legally] permitted, then members of the public are fair for inclusion whether they like it or not - is my understanding.
The stupid thing, nowadays is that you can use a cameraphone and that´s right but a real camera? no sense...
I was taking photos at a California shopping center that has interesting features, and was getting good results. The security guards come up to me and say I can't do that. There happened to be a farmers market there with entertainment so people had been taking photos all night with cell phones and pocket cameras, but since I was using an SLR they said I couldn't. They deem any SLR as a professional camera and prohibit photography with a so-called professional camera.
There really wasn't anything I could do about it since it is private property and they get to set their own rules, even if inconsistent or illogical.
Yeah I just don't take photos anywhere people can see me.
You are perfectly entitled to take pictures on any public property. You should have stood your ground on this issue.
This is happening all the time and people are not standing up for this civil right.
If you asked them where it is written as a law they would not have an answer, because there is no law against it.
These jobsworths think they can restrict and hinder the public with bulls**t like this and we all need to stand up against it wherever and whenever we encounter it.
If it was me l would have ignored them and carried on. I know my rights, it's a shame they don't!
Delete pictures 😂😂😂😂😂😂
A very enjoyable video Craig and I’m sure it will motivate many of us viewers to get out and explore our local towns and cities in search of interesting photos. It is disappointing that the majority of the comments have focussed on your dialogue with the security staff rather than reflecting on the photography itself, but I’m going to do the same.
I must say Craig that I would personally not describe it as a confrontation, I simply heard a security guard acting in a reasonable manner and you yourself responded in a polite and non confrontational manner. She was simply doing her job and had a responsibility to approach you although she clearly made a mistake requesting the deletion of images. That said, she did not persist on that point and you were totally reasonable too.
I am a retired London police officer and also enjoy photography so I have a view on this perennial issue of photographers rights form two angles. It is a fact that terrorists take photographs as part of their hostile reconnaissance and on some occasions in London that has lead to mass fatalities. On that basis photographers should respect the fact that security guards have an important job to do and should cooperate with them. I agree that sometimes guards lack sufficient grasp of law but I also think that some photographers (inspired by online narratives) are pedantic and almost seeking confrontation. Frequently issues arise out of the public or private situation. The fact that the public have access does not mean it’s a public place and there can be restrictions, and I suspect that was the case in Warwick Passage.
Anyway, thanks for a great video Craig and I’m sure it will inspire many of us to get out with our cameras and be creative.
Nowt but fuckin jobsworths Craig !
Despite what others have said, you’re not allowed to take pictures ‘within a court precinct’ and this particular passage falls into that category. So the guards were within their remit to ask you to stop taking pictures - but way outside it when they told you to delete them.
Inspirational, as usual. Particularly that last location and the way you worked it for a variety of shots. Cheers from DownUnder 🦘