Citroen e-C4 real world range test, eco mode.
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- After some feedback about my first range test in the Citroen e-C4 where I drove the car in normal mode the entire journey, I thought it would be a good idea to repeat the test in Eco mode to see what difference if any it would make.
I wasn't expecting the end result! - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
So nice to see you do this instead of the 'shock/horror' clickbait headlines on so many vids.
Got an E-C4 on order at the minute and this has given me a big confidence boost in its capabilities!
@Alan C that's really strange, mine is 8 years / 100k miles!
Here in Iceland its offerd with 7 years warranty.
@@kjartanbergtorsson5664 just test drove it today in Brimborg. Love it.
I am thinking about switching from my Outlander for eC4.
How did you like it? I get mine either next week or the one after it :)
@@Brandofviti we're loving it! Really glad we went for the shine plus trim. Super comfy and easy to drive. It has enough acceleration to get up to speed quickly for dual carriageway etc. and range has been accurate. We've done one longer stint of motorway driving which used just over half the battery to do roughly 90 miles and that was in normal mode, with air con and driving assist on.
Huge thanks for this and the previous two eC4 reviews. The comfort is a massive factor for me, and knowing that I can avoid stressful range anxiety on longer journeys by using eco mode makes my buying decision much easier.
listen 300km range is more than enough for every person on the planet, especially if you have a wife that needs to take a piss every hour... so if you are close to running it dry just fill it up at the gas station for 15 min... and bum you got a range increase
Thanks for that review - hope that many more people will discover your content!
This is very helpful indeed and probably will make a crucial difference in next car selection.
Thanks for putting in the effort to explore this crucial aspect of the car.
Thank you for this review, I watched the first one you did and panicked because we receive our eC4 in December. This video has made me feel much better
Just waiting for delivery of my eC4, should be before Xmas, can't wait, thanks for sharing this.
I have had a Citroen e-C4 for about four months. I just need a car for knocking about. Got rid of my Toyota C-HR hybrid which I thought was very economical. How wrong I was, I usually drive around 120 miles before I top up costing me £15 in petrol. I drive using eco mode except when I need to set off fast.
Now I charge my car up after 120 miles and it costs me £2.60 in electricity for a 45% charge.
I use Octopus Energy using the Octopus Go charges from 12.30 am till 4.30am at 9p per kilowatt. When octopus puts citroen on their Octopus Intelligent tariff the charge will be 6 hours of charging every night at 7p per kilowatt. Can't wait. Steve Crawley
That is a vast difference, very interesting. Thanks for doing that.
Thanks for listening when proving wrong! Respect! 🤗🙏🏻
So glad you did this second test, thank you.
Hi. Thanks for a clear and level headed presentation. I've been driving a C5 Exclusive tourer for ten years now, and soft air suspension and low noise levels is something I thought would never again emerge from Citroen at my level of available cash. Now, Surprise surprise, up comes a C4 with a similar level of comfort and noise control, and electric to boot. Well done Citroen. My only worry was range. 150 mile minimum is essential for my kind of travelling. You have reassured things greatly. Thanks again.
Glad it was helpful!
There is also a New C5 on the way by all accounts :-)
Only 2 things are preventing me from getting one:
1st- I almost only do motorway crusing, long distances and at constant 120km/h;
2nd- my 2009 Citröen C4 is still in great shape and I feel like this isn't the time to upgrade yet.
Great little car those C4! And I say it for all, the C4 hdi, gasoline and E-C4!
Thanks for this video. We got an e-C4 in September last year and the most range I have achieved is 116 miles on a full charge, this was using the car in Eco Mode, driving very carefully, with a top speed of about 60mph. I love the comfort of the car but we cannot achieve anywhere near the 217 miles range stated by Citroen..
Very interesting review.
I have the Peugeot e-208 so same battery etc, I've found the closer you get to 10 degrees the efficiency increases quite rapidly, probably to do with the battery chemistry. Eco mode trains you to drive more gently and smoothly which is the biggest increase in efficiency and also very little heating which is too chilly for me when below 10+ degrees, good for kwh but not for comfort. As a reasonably experienced ev driver I tend to get the same efficiency driving in normal and eco mode. The surge in acceleration you get from ev's is often the biggest range killer as to get that in an ice car you'd need to spend 50 grand +, can be quite addictive for some people but if driven gently and smoothly most people would get the same kwh whichever mode they're in.
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Very sensible review keep up the good work
Just a general point about eco-driving in ANY car: going at 70 mph is a truly terrible idea. Hammering along at the UK national limit will get you from A to B right enough, but it's lousy for fuel economy.
No matter what you drive, the air is just as dense, and pushing the stuff out of the way uses an enormous amount of power. Air behaves like a fluid; imagine trying to wade through knee-deep water. Now try running through it, and think how much more effort's required.
Driving more slowly will save an astonishing amount of fuel. Dropping from 70 to 56 mph will do wonders for your fuel economy, whether you're driving a micro-car or a bus.
No, driving at 56 mph isn't as manly as charging about at 70, 80, or 90, but it'll save you a shedload of dosh.
Modern cars are so quiet and refined at speed that a lot of people fail to appreciate the amount of effort it takes to push air out of the way. It's something a biker soon discovers, but car drivers, cocooned in air-conditioned comfort, often have no idea why their fuel economy figures are so bad.
Just slow down, guys. Never mind "But the limit is 70, so I MUST drive at 80+." Slow down. Your wallet will thank you. ;-)
70 mph is the maximum not the minimum. So many people wasting money and stressing themselves and others on the roads.
When speed doubles, air resistance quadruplicate. Also don't drive with underinflated tyres. Rather overinflate for better mileage. Maybe bit less comfort but good for range.
I drive a 2016 190bhp VW Passat estate at 70mph I average 40mpg when I slow and cruise at 60 I get 55+.
I’m interested what range I will get on an ec4 at 60mph cruise??
I feel it's more manly to drive slower on a freeway. Many men don't have the ego to slow down.
This was really interesting comparison between normal and eco driving modes. I have been considering buying the eC4 but was slightly put off by the efficiency (and real range) compared to other EV’s like e-Niro, ID3 and Renault Zoe for a long journey. However it does have faster charging than the other cars. Now I know about eco mode it tips my choice of EV back towards the eC4 again. It also helps that Citroen UK have just cut £900 off the price of the top spec Shine Plus to bring it back under £35,000 and keep the new EV grant. Setting the limit at £35,000 has removed the grant for cars like e-Niro and Id3 (in the spec that I wanted) and moved them out of my budget unless I compromise on spec. The eC4 is now a real strong contender with excellent spec. Good move Citroen with the price cut and with the excellent efficiency in eco mode.
I'm glad you found it useful. I've been quite taken with the Citroen e-C4, as it is so smooth and comfortable, good looking, and rather efficient.
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I've only used Eco mode once in my ioniq , sports or normal =260-275km in Australia warm weather.
Eco mode is called Echo mode by some youtubers.
I enjoyed your comparison between normal & eco driving modes, but I would have liked to hear what gets compromised whilst in eco mode driving, such as, do you have reduced motorway speeds, have to go without the music on, without aircon on and such like...
I’ve got a Peugeot e208 with the same battery & drivetrain. I get the same result, these are are actually very efficient cars if you go easy. On a recent A road trip around Hampshire, I averaged 4.9 miles per KW.
Awesome thanks for the eco mode test 👌
Just subscribed. Thanks for the honest reviews.
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@@chargeelectric9905 I just discovered your e-C4 videos today. What an eye-opener this eco mode test was...
I also wouldn't have suspected that it would make such a big difference.
Of course I subscribed to your channel too, I did it while watching your first e-C4 video ("real world test"), made my way through the normal mode range test and now this eco mode range test...
Many thanks for testing this car again in the eco mode! What a surprise...
Who would have thought that...
I'm still marvelling what the trade-off might be. Was your average speed the same?
You already said that the outside temperature was similar, the route was the same, was the wind similar?
(Anyway, it was a test where you returned to your starting point, that should eliminate the wind anyway).
Of curse, the power is limited in eco mode, this is limiting the acceleration, well, but if that is the only price to "pay" to get 190 miles of range (300km) for longer distances on a motorway at moderate speeds, that would be a valid compromise.
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The weather was very similar although about 3 degrees warmer.
Eco mode does reduce the power a bit, but I still had enough to overtake a slow moving lorry on a B road.
The climate control still maintained a comfortable temperature.
I must admit I wasn't expecting that much of a difference to the range.
I also have an e-C4 on order so that has been a great boost to me 😃👍🏼
Hey hey have you got Ur EC4 now ?
@@rns101 no, I was refused finance on it so I bought a jaguar instead 😃
Essai très intéressant. Pour avoir une e-c4 depuis 6 mois je confirme les valeurs constatées. Ce véhicule parfaitement adapté aux trajets quotidiens domicile travail est egalement adapté, grace à sa charge DC de 100kw aux trajets autoroutiers périodique. Il est confortable et permet une conduite apaisée.
Thanks for this video. Very helpful as I test drove car and like the comfort, silence, but was concerned re range. How would you compare it to the Kona you had in terms of M/KW, plus off topic but I found the road noise from Kona quite intrusive . Did you find that too ?
The KONA EV is more efficient, but yes I too found the road noise a little too loud on the KONA.
Hyundai’s sister car the e-Niro (or Niro EV as it’s now known), is much more refined than the KONA, and has better suspension.
Great video! Very interesting. I thought the C4 was a 50kw battery?
Great video thanks
Thanks, very clear! I would like to know what this eco mode "costs"... less power, less heating? So a worse driving experience?
A bit less power, climate control backs off a bit but neither was an issue for me on that route.
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Intresting, eco mode cuts power to 109 hp i think. Good test, thanks🙂
80 something, 109 is normal mode
Thanks for posting this Eco Review,. I will be test driving this vehicle next week.
Is the useable battery capacity 45kWh?
I have always red , for ëC4 (or e208 , 2008, ...) those engine specs :
136 HP
46,4 kWh (reality) .
Here in Norway the e-C4 is presented as a 350 km range car, in my tests driving in normal mode, with most of the time using cruise control, at an average speed of 60-65 km/hr it only gave a range of 225Km the same as my old good e-Golf.
I have to mention that the outside temperature was 10 C° and dry asphalt.
The range was disappointing, the upgraded sound system was not good at all, the infotainment was not intuitive and the acceleration I’ll not even comment about. But I need to say that it was a comfy car, with plenty space for the passengers.
Now I’ve bought a Tesla Model 3 and for kinda the same price.
This is great. What kind of speeds were you driving? We're you driving very carefully or normally?
I was driving to the speed limits were possible so keeping up with the rest of the traffic. I even overtook a lorry on a B road section which was lumbering along at half the speed limit. 👍
@@chargeelectric9905 Excellent, thank you.
Thanks for the review! Citroëns usually have -3 mp/h error in the speedometer. I wonder if this if they still put it in this model?
All cars have an error on the speedometer, either deliberately or not.
It is needed to make sure you don't get a ticket when the speedometer was showing you were on speed and so, they will still have some degree of error and that degree of error is lower at low speeds and will increase withs speed
Wow that is incredible, how did the pedal feel. I never use the Ioniq in eco because I don't like the feel on the pedal. Did you use cruise control? Does it have an auto parking brake like the Ioniq?
It makes the car feel a bit more lethargic pulling away, but was fine when up to speed. Didn’t use cruise.
Not too sure about parking brake, can’t remember now.
Does have auto P Brake
Hi thanks so much for doing that. I’ll Definitely be ordering one of these or the 2008. one question, in the first range test you also had the climate control on 19°. Did you have the climate control on this time? If not I wonder how much of the difference was because of the climate control and how much the eco-button? Is it possible to have the climate control on when eco-is selected? With some EV’s it is not. What difference did you notice in terms of performance with the eco or was it very marginal? Thank you so much for doing this as I may have mentioned I’m totally blind and will be getting this on the motability scheme so it’s nice to know that I’ll be able to get to my parents without having to stop and charge. Two more questions do you think my labrador would fit in the boot? Also does the car come with roof rails I need to get my bike rack on the top to carry my tandem. Thanks so much again for doing this!
The performance was still fine in eco mode, I had climate on to make myself comfortable then switched it off and the car remained comfortable for the rest of the journey.
I think a dog will fit in the boot with parcel shelf removed, not sure about roof rails, you’ll need to speak to your local dealer.
Glad you found it useful.
Eco-mode will also limit the power of climate control so when it is more than -15 you have to use Normal-mode but because the heater has lot’s of power you can set the temperature quite low in the car.
@@chargeelectric9905 When I do longer journeys, say 250 miles, I like to drive up to the speed limit, mainly on Motorways and with the aircon set to between 18 and 20 degrees. So from your two tests and thank you for doing them, I guess that my range, still using Eco mode, would be in the lower half of yours, perhaps around 150 miles. Or do you think that it would be less?
"winter, chilly"...whats that in your thermometer? :-) what speed on highway and about how many percent of the trip was on highway?. Thanks for reply.
I have an eC4 and while I don’t think it is any worse (or better) than other bev’s, I have to say I am deeply disappointed with the achievable winter range. I find myself paying for a charge that disappears into the ether before my eyes instead of returning the mileage indicated. Combined with rising charges for electricity, it makes fuelling up more expensive and a lot more inconvenient than petrol or diesel.
Interesting these videos. It's about the cheapest Lease deal available at the moment, except an e-Up, so if I get a new car next it might just about be this one!?
2nd hand cars of any fuel are just so expensive at the moment, it might be my best bet to take on a lease!
How much added range would the car have if all the bells and whistles, all of which take small amounts of power from the battery, weren't there? How about a simple basic version that would also cost less and would attract those buyers with a limited budget?
Last time you didnt skimp on heating. Was the heating on this trip?
As I recall from the last time you did the test the temperature was really low. What was the weather like this time?
It was 6 degrees on the first test, 9 degrees on the second test.
I’m looking for and e c4 to upgrade from my leaf Tekna 40 , seems to have pretty much everything my leaf has except 360 cam and rear cross alert . More comfort , Larger wheels , Slightly higher ride height , better seats , HUD , better looks .
Smaller battery. I am in the same boat and I am wondering if I should just buy my leased 62 KWH Leaf or get an EC-4 with less range.
@@tenwatts2378 are you also considering Tesla model 3 ? .
Does the eco mode make a big difference to your driving experience? If not why is there a normal mode?
Are you doing a ‘round’ trip or what should be doing is an A to B and back same route to A. That’s the only way to get good accuracy
It was a round trip on a single charge.
Thanks for watching.
Did you have AC off or any heating settings off?
Can you remember the temperature on the two journeys? You had been running the car before you started the second test and was presumably warmed up? Cheers.
The temperature if memory serves, was between 8 degrees and 13.
Is it the same car that you used for the normal mode test? What does the car do when in normal mode that wastes so much energy?
I know! I wasn’t expecting that much difference even with the weather being a couple of degrees warmer.
In the Hyundai’s I’ve driven a lot, there was never that much difference between eco and normal, more to do with driving style.
I’m not sure why the big difference with the C4.
I know at 70mph the range will get sapped but what miles per kWh are you getting at 70mph and how much if cruising at 60 ???
Do you lose out on heating etc in eco mode and does the braking button help to regenerate some power in the battery?
I had the braking button on all the time during the drive, so was doing almost one pedal driving. It did seem to regen a bit harder in eco mode. The heater was hardly working as once the interior was up to temperature, it just seemed to maintain it without having to work very hard.
You really have to think hard when to use B-mode instead of D, it will not be useful very often...
great video, on eco mode can you use the heater
Yeah it kept the car at a comfortable temperature during the test.
I think it uses just the heat pump in eco.
@@chargeelectric9905 thank you
What speed were you going? In the previous test, you were showing the speedo all the time...
I was keeping to the speed limit as before. Not driving slow.
Thanks for watching. 👍
Was that the same vehicle you tested? as there were changes made to the drivetrain and heat pump efficiency was improved on later models
Yes, it was the exact same car about a week after the first range test.
@@chargeelectric9905 Many thanks.
Do you think it i could get from Maidstone to Dorset with 1 charge up on a ec4 or other stalantis car at 70mph June-July time of year
Yes, I would think it would only need one stop to charge. I would stop about half way for a toilet break and a coffee, 20 minutes should be all you’d need to be safe.
Thank you for this video. It is worth noting that the performance in eco mode is noticeably sluggish, but that said if you need the range that is worth it. There is also the B button for the regen braking, perhaps try the same trip with that in normal mode? I will collect ours in two weeks and cant wait be floating around in silence
I already did that route in normal mode with b mode selected. Check out my other video.
@@chargeelectric9905 Sorry I missed the B mode bit. Do you think the B mode made much different?
Probably not much difference, you can probably regen the same amount using the brake pedal, but I like driving it in b mode, it feels better.
@@chargeelectric9905 i know what you mean, eco also seems impressive for range but I didnt find it that great an experience behind the wheel. In fact at times it felt almost too slow to pull away
B-mode, or regen mode, has nothing really to help when driving longer journeys except if you are going down a very steep hill or driving in the city. Regen these EV cars can achieve is overrated. I would like to know if it is ok to freewheel in neutral on EVs like this one?
Interesting
Hi. You say that you are averaging so many miles per kilowatt. For the sake of accuracy, you are averaging so many miles per kilo watt hour (kWh),which is the unit of electrical energy capacity. Hope this helps.
Not really. We all knew that. It's a perfectly acceptable abbreviation.
Air con still works in eco mode?
Do you use B mode for brake regen?
I used B mode in town but not so much on A and B roads and motorways.
@@chargeelectric9905 Thanks "Charge Electric". Had a test drive this morning on an E-C4 and loved that B-Mode regen. Not as vicious as the VW ID.4 I drove in the afternoon but for me regen mode and electric is the future!
Question. My e-c4 does 1.2 mil/kw when the heaters on for normal mode. Is there a something wrong with it? Anyone knows
It does seem a bit low. But a lot will depend on heat setting and journey type. I’m currently running an e-208, and this winter running with climate set to 21 degrees C, I’m averaging 3.3 mi/kwh.
But my daily journey type could be very different to yours.
i would order one of these in a heartbeat if the range was 50 miles better.
The new KIA Niro EV is about to launch. 290 mile range with a big 64kwh battery.
Great. What would you say ECO adds 20%?
On that particular route on that day, yes it seems to be 20% better.
@@chargeelectric9905 great. What would be your estimate gain on 20degrees celzius temperatures? Another +20% range ?
Probably not that much, but it could possible get to about 220 miles total, so another 10% maybe.
What's the speed you drived?
Can you do the same test wirh the Mokka e?
I would love to, but I’m struggling to get Vauxhall dealers to loan me a car.
@@chargeelectric9905 too bad. Hopung you get a lucky break on that. Very nice video otherwise. Tested a 2008 e and though the range drlped fast this might explain alot.
Can you still use the highway driver assist in eco mode?
I don’t know the answer to that. It would be worth checking with your local dealer.
@@chargeelectric9905 Yes! I did a round trip of 130 miles yesterday with Driver Assist in ecomode
did eco mode affect the comfort of the drive?
Slight reduction in power, but I was still able to nip past a lorry on a B road. 👍
I have this car the range on this is shocking bad gets no where near 350 km except on the back of a tow truck
None of these electric cars have the range they claim. I know ppl who own ev cars and a lot of them are frustrated with the lies they were told. During winter a lot of the folks I know at work who own ev, told me they don’t even get anywhere near 210km. The heating and AC kills the battery and other thing’s amongst just those two. They’re a big waste of money just to say you own a cool electric car, and that you “care” about the environment. When they figure out their battery issues and distance I’ll give a try, but no way am I paying thousands for a car that cant even give me at least 800km. Imagine having to stop several times to charge a car. Smh
The stallantis vehicles all have permanent magnet motors which are good for town use but not high speed I use my speed with care on long journeys 100mile plus.But I understand the new electric jeep will have the new generation of motor which will help to solve this problem if i have my facts correct.
You could possibility increase milage in Eco mode by using the regeneration brake setting
Actually no, he wouldn’t. Coasting is more efficient.
My Ioniq 38kw will definitely preform more economical in Eco mode than normal. I’ll average 4.8/kw on my normal week in Eco and only 3.6m/kw in normal mode
I loved my Ioniq. I was up in the high 4s in winter and mid 5s in summer on my commutes to work. Great car.
I run my id3 in eco always and get 5m/KW and restrict max speeds to 60 mph.
The exact ambient temperature for the second run has not been specified. A true comparison would need this information too
Slightly warmer at 9 degrees.
eco mode ...probably ok but...in summer don't use the air-con and in winter dont use de-missed ,heated rear windows or heater
Honestly, I've never had to ban the use of AC or heating in a car before 😂😭
kw/h. Not kw.
Well, actually kWh, no 'per' symbol. But yes, does grate a bit.
Don't know if it's ever been said, but if you shut your eyes watching this video, you sound exactly like Martin Brundle. You're not related are you?
Just test drove this vehicle today at local dealer. My rating in comparison to other EV models driven would be 6/10.
Disliked the lightness of steering
HUD you cannot see unless you have seat in lowest position.
Infotainment system dull.
Driving selector switches awkward.
Lots of body roll in corners.
Slow in comparison to other models 0-62.
Only positives was the comfortable seats and progressive comfort suspension.
VW ID3/HYUNDAI KONA/KIA NIRO miles ahead in drive quality and range.
Sorry Citroën but you are not in the game yet!
Still overrated. Why state it can do 217 miles when it can't for general use? False advertising. All these electric cars are the same. Why not be honest about the range from the start.
Same for ICE cars, please. .
@@jensdybrofrederiksen7922 Not to that extent. Still false advertising.
@@Mark-wx1hoHave you ever driven a car that has achieved the factory calculation? and that more than on special occasions. On paper my diesel car should be able to drive 21.5 km / l I usually have an average of 16.5 km / l this is perhaps in percent more misleading than for electric cars .... the fact is that the calculation method for both types of engine is .. a calculation method and therefore only technically ie. misleading, but it is a hint.
@@jensdybrofrederiksen7922 I agree but the range on the average electric car is not that good to begin with. With a decreased real world range they become quite off putting for some people.
All cars are tested according to norm. It is just for comparison, even if the new norm is closer to the truth than the old norm.