i'm asking because in recent tournament videos,the commentators mention character matchups.does that mean they have an idea of what they look like,or is it a guess?
It's because Brawl was more campy, and thar favored Toon Link's speed and hardcore projectile spam. Maybe some nerfs, too. Can't remember if he took any, though.
they nerfed every move, all of his attacks have at least 1% less than the damage they did back in Brawl, now the BAir has lag, the DAir won't bounce when hitting making it a SURE suicide move, the only thing they did enhance is the nock back of his back throw
ltdzinger I main Link and secondary Rosalina. The commentator is right. Gravitational pull should practically be a non factor in this match up given that for each boomerang and bomb pulled in you'll eat a Zair due to the lag. Additionally even if you do shield those projectiles Luma can get hit and is chipped away. Forward bombslides in particular puts Link into a good position with each bomb toss given that if it hits the ground and blows up it'll damage Luma and if it's shielded it still stays active until it settles on the ground cutting off movement options. Also because it has more distance than a dash throw but as little lag as a normal toss Link remains fairly safe. Rosalina also does not have the speed to break into Link's zone either. Rosalina also can't roll in as Luma would then be completely vulnerable. The only thing Rosalina can do is dash shield in and if Luma is chipped away before she reaches Link she's in a bad position. Scizor did not play this match-up right. As a Link main he's far too aggressive but that's to his credit. He is in my opinion a top three Link. At the time it appears he did not know how to Forward bombslide instead using the up variation which isn't very useful in this match-up. Still that's not to discredit Falln who is one of the best Rosalina and Luma mains. This is an interesting match but as for the match-up itself it's not actually in the favour of Rosalina and Luma as most people believe.
redhandsbluefaces Izaw is still playing the game like its Brawl lol. If you want to see a great example of Link watch Scizor. Scizor is the highest ranked Link main in terms of results. This is a guy that went to EVO and won his pool. No other Link mains has achieved his results. In terms of technicality the best Link would be FSK. In any case Izaw does not even main Link and does not serve as a good example of what a Smash 4 Link is.
Scizor, you must stay more grounded. Being in the air when the opponent is grounded is where Link is *most vulnerable*. Your bomb pressure was fine, but against tall characters like Rosalina, retreating, SH claw shots are your greatest friend. Nair may be a near lag less move, but just avoid going into the air so much and you'll be fine. -Karaoke Man
A crawl, not all characters have one but Rosalina does. To do it you crouch, stay crouched, then move left or right. The control stick should be downward and facing either to the right or left.
Job Sakes It's so weird I find it cute! xD If you watch Falln's most recent montage, he shows just how weird the crawl can get when you repeatedly crouch and stand. :'D
I really think tourney organizers should adjust the 'My Music' settings, it's hard to feel the hype with songs like Tom Nook's Store playing. It's a nice tune but it hardly makes for good fighting music.
+Daniel Dean Well, this match is over a year ago... The meta was kinda underdevelopped, even Falln played kinda rusty compared with his performance at G3.
Not to be Rude but ,, what's with the voice of that Commentator xD He fakes so hard his voice,, he wants to imitate Boomstick from death battle or what lol :p
Watching good players in smash 4 isn't like watching smash 2 pros.... i can't help but feel that i *wait for it...* can do better. *puts on sunglasses and waits for the angry swarm of smashers*
"Scizor is a technician with those items" Don't worry. I got that joke.
Someone get this commentator a laxative
Lol funniest thing I read all day
Haha, I was expecting at least a comment like this. He sounds so freaking forced.
Chyaboi Neo lol
he's gonna ruin his vocal cords if he keeps doing that
anyone catch that pun
scizor is technician with those items
There is a "swarm" of ppl that is going to get that reference...
Man, I suck at this...
Franz Ferdinand Don't feel bad... I couldn't even think of one...
BloodySteel64 Thanks bruh ;_;
Franz Ferdinand No problem man... no problem.
hahahahahaha i did
Rosalina is my main. Such a great character to use.
The commentary interruptions are real haha
They REALLY need to add a "shut this commentator stupid mouth up" button ASAP
that link player was being too hesitant
I didn't know Guy Fieri did commentary
Link has a shitty recovery still? Yeah, since when it's height has been increased like 4 times. That Link player just fast falled too much.
Let's not forget his tether recovery buff, that increased range is more than enough to get back to the stage horizontally.
***** But you have to be facing the stage for that to work.
John Hurley Most times after being launched off the stage you'll be facing the ledge, that is assuming Link doesn't do any offstage shenanigans.
***** True, and I guess at an elite level, they won't make that mistake as much.
Sometimes I complain about Diddy, but then I watch a rosalina match.
does anyone know what the tiers and matchups for this game currently look like?
The game is still fairly new. So any Tier list won't be forever until the official one after every characters potential has been unlocked.
i'm asking because in recent tournament videos,the commentators mention character matchups.does that mean they have an idea of what they look like,or is it a guess?
I think they have seen the matchups before and are also basing them off of Brawl, Melee, and Project M.
did the announcer in the beginning eat a carton of cigs?
is there a way to watch all the matches in order?
I don’t have to order Dry Bowser to kidnap Rosalina.
Can anyone tell me why Toon Link is considered worse in smash 4 compared to brawl?
It's because Brawl was more campy, and thar favored Toon Link's speed and hardcore projectile spam. Maybe some nerfs, too. Can't remember if he took any, though.
they nerfed every move, all of his attacks have at least 1% less than the damage they did back in Brawl, now the BAir has lag, the DAir won't bounce when hitting making it a SURE suicide move, the only thing they did enhance is the nock back of his back throw
you think rosilina is at a disadvantage to link in this matchup? your opinion of all things smash is just invalidated. congrats.
ltdzinger I main Link and secondary Rosalina. The commentator is right.
Gravitational pull should practically be a non factor in this match up given that for each boomerang and bomb pulled in you'll eat a Zair due to the lag. Additionally even if you do shield those projectiles Luma can get hit and is chipped away. Forward bombslides in particular puts Link into a good position with each bomb toss given that if it hits the ground and blows up it'll damage Luma and if it's shielded it still stays active until it settles on the ground cutting off movement options. Also because it has more distance than a dash throw but as little lag as a normal toss Link remains fairly safe.
Rosalina also does not have the speed to break into Link's zone either. Rosalina also can't roll in as Luma would then be completely vulnerable. The only thing Rosalina can do is dash shield in and if Luma is chipped away before she reaches Link she's in a bad position.
Scizor did not play this match-up right. As a Link main he's far too aggressive but that's to his credit. He is in my opinion a top three Link. At the time it appears he did not know how to Forward bombslide instead using the up variation which isn't very useful in this match-up. Still that's not to discredit Falln who is one of the best Rosalina and Luma mains. This is an interesting match but as for the match-up itself it's not actually in the favour of Rosalina and Luma as most people believe.
ltdzinger Your opinion means crap if you don't back it up.
ltdzinger Commentator was right, Scizor was just making too many mistakes. If you want a great example of a Link check out Izaw.
redhandsbluefaces Izaw is still playing the game like its Brawl lol. If you want to see a great example of Link watch Scizor.
Scizor is the highest ranked Link main in terms of results. This is a guy that went to EVO and won his pool. No other Link mains has achieved his results.
In terms of technicality the best Link would be FSK.
In any case Izaw does not even main Link and does not serve as a good example of what a Smash 4 Link is.
AstrayChronicle I'm not finding anything on those two for youtube or google search... Could you provide links? (no pun intended)
Scizor, you must stay more grounded. Being in the air when the opponent is grounded is where Link is *most vulnerable*. Your bomb pressure was fine, but against tall characters like Rosalina, retreating, SH claw shots are your greatest friend. Nair may be a near lag less move, but just avoid going into the air so much and you'll be fine. -Karaoke Man
What is Rosalina doing at 5:00?
A crawl, not all characters have one but Rosalina does. To do it you crouch, stay crouched, then move left or right. The control stick should be downward and facing either to the right or left.
Thanks for the clarification; what a weird crawl.
Job Sakes It's so weird I find it cute! xD If you watch Falln's most recent montage, he shows just how weird the crawl can get when you repeatedly crouch and stand. :'D
how is he z dropping bombs without zairing?
why does this man sound like he is gasping for air
I didn't know vegeta did commentary.
2:52 thats what you get for not fucking around and tossing bombs and not sealing the deal when you could.
Gettin yourself hit by Link's bombs is fashion
1:10 how did he do that ?
Is this the same scizor who plays sniper in tf2 for the winning Plat highlander team?
Wow. Nice Rosalina play. Had never seen one like it.
I know right im just trying to get her basics down lol
haha... scizor... technician... i get it....
Scizor, you're technician, just use bullet punch
Rosalina's upair is so good.
this commentator though "you can't do that in tournaments, they're gonna see it" like i'm sorry what?
my started to shine ... did i see dacus and bomb toss? :o
Getting so sick of this music.
What music?
I really think tourney organizers should adjust the 'My Music' settings, it's hard to feel the hype with songs like Tom Nook's Store playing. It's a nice tune but it hardly makes for good fighting music.
+Charnucky 70s cheesy porn music
John Smith I'd watch a smash tournament with that.
Scizor needs to be more focused. He threw out all these attacks and projectiles into empty space.
Yeah bomb sliding!! I didn't know if people were aware of it's existence or not...
I came to watch Scizor because someone told me that his Link is better than Izaw's. I am not impressed...
+Daniel Dean Well, this match is over a year ago...
The meta was kinda underdevelopped, even Falln played kinda rusty compared with his performance at G3.
They should give link the dark link voice with that costume :)
Yea that Link player def needs to relax on the dairs. He did alright at the beginning but just couldn't adapt.
"scizor is a technician..." puns?
anyone who says Link wins the Rosalina match-up should be stoned!
that one commentator sounds exactly like joseph8276
THE BEAST
Not to be Rude but ,, what's with the voice of that Commentator xD He fakes so hard his voice,, he wants to imitate Boomstick from death battle or what lol :p
He doesn't fake it though so that was very rude of you. Not cool.
its ok Gabe. maybe i was rude even if i said that :3 but even tough, boomstick from deathbattle is a great voice xD
Gabe Simmons Just saying "not to be rude" doesn't make it not rude. It was still pretty rude.
Commentator sounds like the love child of James Chen and Seth Rogan. Hey, I'm just sayin' lol
Oh, excellent Link performance btw.
Hey you get a Snickers
That one commentator sounds like Jonah Hill.
despite how horrible link is in brawl?
link is a lot better in brawl than smash4 guy
Why is that one commentator trying so hard to have a gruff sounding voice? It's unnatural and it's gotta be rough on his throat.
Watching good players in smash 4 isn't like watching smash 2 pros....
i can't help but feel that i
*wait for it...*
can do better.
*puts on sunglasses and waits for the angry swarm of smashers*
You've been waiting quite some time. Glad no one on this video at least had not falln (hehe) for "bait" as blatant as this one.
no shit i am honestly suprised lol
Is this filthy frank??
Good job nexus!
your wrong rosilina has the advantage
Shadyn n This was 2015 dude.
I can beat scizor his link wasnt good
He was like the best link for a couple of years, ZeRo even considered him for the best link
this guys voice is literally horrible. he should NOT be a commentator
Rosalina B tier LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL