Mogul Skiing: Cool Old School with Peter Jacobs Part 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ธ.ค. 2015
- Video made in 1986 with Peter Jacobs. Winner International Ski Film Festival 1986. When mogul skiers were still carving their turns not swiveling! Also featuring world champion Donna Weinbrecht, who won the first gold medal for freestyle mogul skiing in 1991.
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I believe he solved all my questions, I will give it a try tomorrow. Great old school education video.
Best explanation of mogul skiing I've ever seen
Agree with another commenter, this is one of the best, clear explanation if mogul skiing. Including the concept of vertical motion-shifting weight up and down to bend skis in order to turn. An oldie but a goodie. Nice to see it was from Killington.
I was on a pair of those Lange "banana" boots for awhile.
That's Peter Jacobs, from the Killington Ski School.
Been so many years since I skied on those type of skis. Still have my last pair of 205s. Its a whole different game with modern skis.
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Very inspiring video. Can't wait to begin this approach next time skiing.
Killington my favorite, outer limits, anarchy, & julio. let the good times roll
Back when I could still ski, we called it sucking up the bumps.
This video has excellent mogul skiing tips
This is great!
The knees take a serious, constant pounding...
I always made my turns on the backside of the bumps. Where the snow is soft to check down instead of the icy ruts, Always check your line first.
...and your knees thank you.
Awesome vid.. I just posted a comment on Patrick Daneen vid in regards to his technique. Fantastic skier. I grew up skiing back in 70's and fell in love with mogul skiing back in the early 80's. What a huge difference in styles. I ski moguls like Peter, it's looking at a mirror.. creepy. Got to love those defined pole plants. With the advancements of equipment and good physical ability I never skied bumps as good as I do now at the age of 51. I can still turn heads on under chair mogul runs. What a rush!!!
ToddB987 back when skiing was super awesome
@@Cortanasboyfriend yeah I know,, nowadays it seems like all the
Kids are boarding 😎😎😎🤠🤠🤠🤠🤙🤙
The new voice of skiing
Notice at the very beginning of the film, those skiers had ankle high laced leather boots with free heels; skiing in the trees!
Nice.
Peter has a weird style. I think they call that the"Virgin Clutch" lol
Peter Jacobs, excellent teaching.
Dave Saam - The teaching was good. However, the technique is really, really off!
Killing(ton) the knees...
the piano music reminds me of "one more day" todd rundgren
Keep the chin up and seek to breath in a rhythm with the turns, ie breath and relax at one special moment you will know, between turns as you thrust yer weight down the hill, yes aggression it is. Turn er be turned.
If you know the dance it’s effortless.
Today’s mogul skiers are some of the finest on the planet....huh?
Yes. So, not you I presume.
with the advent of snowboards, you don't get the Volkswagen size bumps anymore
You do in a select few spots. There are a few monsters at Winter Park, for example.
wow this takes me back, thanks for the post/flashback! Anyone remember 'Jet Skis'? Think that was the name, those high calf support attachments strapped onto backs of boots to help lean way back over the tails. Broke my leg bad in mid 70s with those on but still nothing but fond memories of those oddities today, cheers.
Jet Sticks . . . oh yeah . . . brings back memories!
yeah Sticks, right on thanks - cool you had 'em too.
And like he says exactly. Now days you seek to drop yer tips in to the ruts to catch some soft for some friction control.
WOW real moguls not artificially made like in the Olympics and NO STUPID SNOWBOARDS that ruin moguls with big icy slides and tops knocked off. This is why Alta and Deer Valley will always be the greatest and kind sebastian for real moguls
10:56 great exercise
Lot of rich chiropractors thanks to these dudes.
seems like he's making quick little stem christie turns.
The best of the old school never skied knocked kneed hoping from turn to turn as shown in video. Flex to release while holding counter with tipping movements were used. No ski school active rotary, extending to release wide stance gulf cart performance pushing big toe edge to side was used by the old expert mogul skiers back in the 80's. Ski schools teaching dead end snow plow movements with focus on pushing big toe ski to the side will produce a wedge in most skiers for ever.
That is not what ski schools taught! At least not for skiing moguls, anyway. I taught for 20 years. Every turn should be initiated with a simultaneous edge release of both skiis, not one at a time like he is doing. Both skiis should rotate at the same time ( that is what looks so wrong)! Also, his discussion of unweighting ( rising to turn and sinking to flex, as he says), is exactly wrong. He is describing “ up unweighting) which can be done on the long radius turns he showed early in the video.
Down unweighting, is what good mogul skiers must use, as the speed needed to transition from turn to turn is super quick, combined with the need to absorb the top of the new bump. By quickly flexing or dropping your hips ( or pulling your feet towards your butt, either way), you are able to fully negate ( first called “avalement”, to swallow, in French!), the pressure of the oncoming crest of the bump. Also, by quickly removing weight from your skiis, the edge angle can be flattened ( as your body moves across your skiis , and down the hill), easily allowing the skiis to be rotated if needed. The transition to the new edge angle, occurs next as your body moves down the fall line ( leaving your skiis slightly uphill relative to your body). The last phase is now reversing your extremely flexed ( bent ankles, knees, and hips). By now, extending your legs you create pressure down, ideally on the tips of the skiis. This lets the ski edges scrape the snow a little ( causing a breaking action in the first part of the turn).
More importantly, the pressure of extending your legs and feet, keeps the skiis on the snow, in the critical back part of the mogul. Otherwise, the tendency is to become airborne , as the mogul drops away from you. When airborne , you speed up, and cannot control the turn shape at all. Usually resulting in blowing up immediately, or within a few bumps of doing this!
@@gwodark well done and informative
I’m not going to even start.
Ski exercises for hip pain
No more mogels for me bad knees back an neck at 65 still ski 2 days a week
BBC sitcoms
4:40 Peter! Hold your Feet together, not your knees! Yikes! That was hard to watch!
You call that the virgin clutch
@@gimmeagig I pity the virion and my Eyes!
Feet together is all wrong, normal stance feet apart is correct.
@@danblumel My 53 years teaching trumps any expertise you Think you have.
that was back before seat belts and helmets, and athletes smoked filterless cigarettes, and drank Pepsi instead of water. we have all grown soft
russell bergener and now they ski on those parabolic skis instead of straight skis. I'm 24 and I ski on straight skis and love the old school way of skiing
@@Cortanasboyfriend well at least they're related to 5
Helmets messed up your hair.
Danger zone
Wait, carving in bumps is no good now?
You don't carve in bumps. You side slip. Carving is for groomed trails not bumps.
That is generally correct. A controlled skidded turn, gives you speed control because it is a slight braking action. Carving causes acceleration. In the bumps and steeps, speed control tends to be the priority.
However, mogul competition is scored partly on speed. In those competitions, they do use more carving to accelerate when they can.
Actually, you ski pumps Correctly with the exact same body positions and weight change as you use in carving. That is if you want to ski them Correctly. Meaning, Ski Them! Not twist, push and shove them.
@@rafaelfalagan3814 Nope! Think of Good moguls as banked toboggan turns and ski them while keeping your upper body in the fall line. Think of the dollar sign.
Ok, fun to watch. But honestly saying, he is skiing a bit too much with X knees ... better keeping them parallel.
Booz causes most bad skiing
I gaged when I saw that knock kneed stance. Where they serious using him as an example of a mogul skier? You think of keeping your Feet together, not your knees. Uggggg! I couldn't watch the whole thing.
Not feet or knees together.
@@danblumel You can ski as sloppy and out of control as you want. I'm going to ski moguls with my feet together.
As a skier that learned to ski moguls at Waterville Valley in New Hampshire in the 70’s this is not good technique. They had three coaches that had skied on the pro mogul tour. We were not coached to stem turn or ski like this guy in this video.. If you want to see great mogul skiing find a Johnny Mossely video on TH-cam. He won Gold in 1998 Olympic Games in the moguls. Johnny doesn’t stem he absorbs, flexes, extenders and tips the skis. Also in 1998 he was still skiing a traditional mogul ski. Even today (2019) competitors use a more traditional type of ski for moguls.
When he isn't stemming, he's throwing the tail around instead of rotating/pivoting. It reminds me of the 1960s!
its almost like Peter never progressed from Stem Christies. all his so called parallel turns are in fact, Stem Christies, even in the moguls, with added superfluous lift of both skies both downhill and uphill. it makes him come unstack.
good advice but pretty horrible technique.
He stems nearly every turn😞
He is exaggerating it. Some expert skiers in the video are more subtle. That's essentially what's happening to balance onto your downhill ski and control your speed.
Rafael Falagan -Perhaps you are right if you are teaching skiers who cannot yet make a parallel turns! If so, you should teach that first. I taught skiing for more than 20 years. IMO, skiers need to have a good short radius parallel turn down solidly, on groomed terrain. Otherwise, they will always struggle in bumps! Even in slow motion, each turn should be intimated with both skiis flattening, ( realeasing the edge angle), rotating, and creating the new edge at the same time! His sequential edge release ( one ski at a time), makes mogul skiing difficult at best.
Not to mention his description of unweighting the ski by rising up, is exactly the opposite of how you ski moguls! You must do “down unweighting”, in the bumps. This allows absorbing the pressure of the top of the oncoming mogul. Extending your legs on the steep backside of the bump, keeps the skiis on the snow ( essential for speed control and turn shape). Up unweighting, would cause you to launch in the air on each bump! Which is clearly unworkable.
@@gwodark I need a day long lesson from you, ha! I am a good skiier, but need to work on short, sliding turns down the fall line. In bumps, I spend too much time going down hill, not slide turning. One point you might make is that the flattening of the skiis between turns occurs naturally as the body continues to move down hill passing over the side-pointed skiis.
crawdadyyt -I am impressed that you could correctly understand that from my explanation! Many people cannot really read explanations of movement patterns and visualize what is being described. While we probably cannot ski together, here are a few drills that you can practice: -Pivot side slips, in a corridor ( teaches edging control, balance, speed control, flattening both skiis to initiate turns, etc. ). Doing this well, allows you to ski bumps in slow motion! If you can master that, it is easy to speed it up, once you can expertly control the skidded turn. Do it on groomed runs., first. Once you really have it mastered, try it on gentle bumps! Hopefully you can look it up somewhere, and see it demonstrated.
- Hop turns ( teach simultaneous-rotary movement patterns with both skiis, balance, pole plant timing, ankle flexion, edging control). Groomed snow drill.
-Inside ski, little toe turn initiation ( learning this practically guarantees simultaneous edge release of both skiis). It gets the inside leg to be active, leading the turn, effectively eliminating the stem turn ( wedged stance). Groomed snow drill.
-Pulling the feet back drill ( at the finish of the turn, to help initiate the new turn). Do this in bumps! Everyone tends to fall into the back seat, at least a little, at the end of a turn in moguls. Instead of thinking of moving your body back over your skiis( tends to be too slow), you can quickly pull your feet back under you or slightly behind you. This rebalances your weight quickly, and allows you press the shovels of you skiis down the backside of the new bump. It also flattens the skiis in a hurry, allowing proper turn intitiation. Then you can easily choose more or less rotary, pick a different line, change your turn shape ( turn on the top of the bump, or gradually down the back side , or follow the trough, etc. ).
There are many more drills that are helpful. If I saw you ski, other drills might come to mind, that would facilitate learning specifically what you need to progress. I hope that helps!
If you do take a lesson, mention these drills to the instructor.
I shut up.
Are old timey people funny? or are old timey videos funny? Must be the frame rate :D
not excellent because of an obviously A frame legs
Today's mogul courses are boring - way too rhythmic. Every competitor looks the same. No allowance to change up your course and do something unique.
His technique is terrible! Look elsewhere if you want to learn how to ski moguls.
Техника у ведущего весьма сомнительная. Я бы сказал, девичья. Лучше её не повторять.