Niels Osper Modern-day wizard and keeper of the flame for a dying art form. Pay attention, kids, because there WILL be a test, on the side of a desert highway when you least expect it.
Watched all the videos on the engine rebuild. I never learned so much on an engine in my life. It was cool the owner of the bike was there the whole time running the camera learning about his bike. Keep making videos sir.
That’s a fact Man! My first was a 1972 and it always started on the second kick because my Pop taught me from childhood to keep things in a good state of tune and care for it overall like my life depended on it.
I had a 71 xlch and I didn’t have trouble kick starting it. My first few bike were kick start. Harley kick start do need a little a hard kick to get them going
Seen so many uploads of old kickstart Harleys, & from what Ive seen- I wouldn't have one given.. My old 1920's indian scout was a 2 kick affair- never anything like this.
That 20's Indian flathead had 6:1 compress .... You could have kick that old Indian over with your hand!!!! Much higher compression on that ironhead!!!!
C.mon Kick it! Tell him Tatro, he looks like he is afraid of it! Kick the freaking thing! Watched all the vids of this rebuild, you got some mad skills man.
Well...My 1st HD was a 72 Sporty...all stock...could be a hard starter....I'm not over 150 pounds.....ign. points and Bendix carb....then, I made it a 74" with 4-5/8" S&S stroker....still with a Bendix...actually started easier....later (1981)....I got the Sputhe XR type top end...still points ign, and 2 PHM 38 Dellortos ....starts Ok...just gotta' watch those intake leaks...makes any HD start hard...
I just picked up a complete 66 mag engine. Ran before pulled, I've never messed with a mag before. Where do I put the mag to start it? How does the mag stay in one position? Thanks in advance
lots of designs made over the years. they are all a little different on how you do things. advance some for more power and retard some to make it easier to start. tatro
no, not even close. if you don't have a big ass you have to use all of your leg strength with the momentum of your whole body weight coming down on the kicker. i was kicking over 98ci stroker motors when i was only 110lbs. 120lbs was alot better but that came later on. when you are 200+ you don't have to do all of this. just stand onto the lever. tatro
@@TatroMachine That's the truth at 285 if I kick a bike over with out straddling it it will come off the kick stand and go over on it's side. The best one I've ever seen for small guys starting a bike was the guy who would swing his left leg high in the air and come down with both legs at the same time.
***** they do not work on all bikes. its a hit or miss, they are not adjustable enough to correct the problems. bindex carbs have the same issues.tatro
+Max Lee I know you asked Tatro about SU carbs. I have some experience I would like to share. I tried four or five on a Sportster years ago with varying results. The best was an old SU off a Triumph Spitfire. I made a fiberglass mount block similar to the block used for the tillotson and bendix, made thick enough to get the top bell clear of the tank. Bolted it on and the engine started first kick ( on a Sport with points). shut it off and again first kick, again, again....... if the gas was on always. There were two small problems: 1) running on the freeway I had to richen the mixture about 1/2 turn (knob on the bottom). That was a minor issue but easy to live with. 2) The SU carb is tall so it won't fit under the tank without modification to the tank. I made a four gallon fiberglass tank that hid the SU. I ended selling the setup to a very happy chopper builder. I had good luck with others but was always impressed with that first one. The trick is the float level. There are other cv carbs that will probably but most are tall and in the way. My preference is the Tillotson but after all these years you have to rebuild and some parts are sometimes hard to find. Also make sure the fuel filter (if you use one) flows freely. My most recent headache took longer to diagnose than I want to admit. On my 67 XLH would start run/idle perfectly........for a while. Then wind down. If I could pull the choke it would again run for a while. I traced the problem to a newly installed clear plastic filter that traps air and won't flow on its own. I removed it and cured my headache. I was about to the point of burning that bike. Hang in there.
because unlike a dirt bike it takes alot of ass to kick a harley. when you are over the bike you can only use your body weight to push the kicker down. when you are on the side of the bike you can use you body weight multiplied by the momentum of your butt dropping to add extra force to the kicker thru the angle of your knee. you need very strong leg muscles to take advantage of all this extra force. watch how i kick and how i tell him to kick. it works with either leg if you are strong enough. i was kicking over big harley stroker motors when i was a kid that only weighted about 110 pounds. tatro
So I bought a 74 xlch. In regards to my earlier question, In regards to my earlier question, I can kick it either way. Rewiring the whole bike right now. Harness was shot.
EthanB95 he’s obviously a hipster douchebag with too much money. Kid ain’t a real biker, just look at how we “kicked” that bike, it’s easier in the video games he likes to play. Also no wonder the bike doesn’t get ridden, the dude doesn’t have room for his boyfriend to ride on the back.
why doesnt anybody stand over the bike while you kick it. thats how it designed to be kicked. and whos the guy that keeps telling him what to do and acts like he knows everything. let him try and learn for himself he will probably learn faster without you barking and yelling in his face like he keeps fucking up and doesnt know what hes doing. hes trying.
if you didn't weight 200+ pounds you would have know that you get more kicking force when you use your whole body, not just some of it like when you are over the bike. i will out kick you every time if you do what i say instead of muddling your way thru it. don't forget to pay attention to what the bike wants. its not just spinning it that makes it start. tatro
All these youngsters and their rigids, won’t be young for long at least in the back!🤣🤣🤣 Hell Man, if you want the Rigid look build a Softail and get the best of both worlds. Doh!
ckelley63 Mags are awesome. The faster they go the more spark they make. They are vintage racing ignitions. Just because something is older doesn't mean it is bad.
ckelley63 Not many "better" ignition systems work without a battery. A good mag set correctly works great. An improvement is to replace the "dead/dying" rotor with a JOE HUNT rotor. You won't believe the spark and how hard you don't have to kick. Many pussies have been scared off my offer to let them ride my bike if they can start it. "Hell no those bikes kick back or break your leg" is what I hear. A good mag and "working" Tillotson are a great combination if you know how to "hug" them.
Exactly, most of the people spouting off about magnetos really have no experience with them. They just spit back out information they heard from a friend, that heard it from another guy who read it somewhere...etc. A properly working magneto is rock solid. The offer to"ride it if you can start it" generally shuts up alot of wannabe's. The guys that shoot off their mouths about sporties..etc.
You can still start the bike even if the mag is not retarded, such as earlier sporties. Another problem is guys kicking their bikes like a little girl! :) Kick the freaking thing!
@@TatroMachine Like you said in another response there is more to it than just kicking it over. There is a progression of troubleshooting that goes on when kicking a bike over and each bike has it's own little idiosyncrasies. You either learn those troubleshooting techniques or spend your 70's getting your right hip and knee replaced
This was very painful to watch , man you guys are mean lol , why wouldnt someone teach this kid how to kick start proper , lmfao notice how his non kicker foot hits ths ground first , dam he was kicking the ground harder then the kicker lol , someone should have told him he needs a left hand kicker bike ah ha ha ha ,,,,at least he wasnt wearing a G string ah ha ha ha
It's a BIG BLESSING for someone who loves the Ironheads , to have advice and mech-support from this gentleman.
Niels Osper Modern-day wizard and keeper of the flame for a dying art form. Pay attention, kids, because there WILL be a test, on the side of a desert highway when you least expect it.
@@ToddtheExploder Anxious to feel the vibes of it ! I ain't in denial , you should know . . .
I believe tatro is one of the best motorcycle builder's and mechanics out there today, and I know he cares about doing quality work.
Watched all the videos on the engine rebuild. I never learned so much on an engine in my life. It was cool the owner of the bike was there the whole time running the camera learning about his bike. Keep making videos sir.
Currently rebuilding a 62 almost done can't wait
My 1967 XLCH would start one or two kicks. Rode it for years. My 1st Harley. Good tune and good mag makes all the difference.
That’s a fact Man! My first was a 1972 and it always started on the second kick because my Pop taught me from childhood to keep things in a good state of tune and care for it overall like my life depended on it.
Currently looking for an iron head myself . . .I just love em
I had a 71 xlch and I didn’t have trouble kick starting it. My first few bike were kick start. Harley kick start do need a little a hard kick to get them going
Tuning the carb with jungle boots on .I dig your style
You get excersice with that kickstart.
"Damn... it almost even started with that crappy kick" 🤣🤣🤣
I had a left kick Bultaco 350 Alpina. That thing sucked to kick. I wouldn't mind having a kicker on my 85 iron head for backup though
Seen so many uploads of old kickstart Harleys, & from what Ive seen- I wouldn't have one given..
My old 1920's indian scout was a 2 kick affair- never anything like this.
That 20's Indian flathead had 6:1 compress .... You could have kick that old Indian over with your hand!!!! Much higher compression on that ironhead!!!!
C.mon Kick it! Tell him Tatro, he looks like he is afraid of it! Kick the freaking thing! Watched all the vids of this rebuild, you got some mad skills man.
JKDROB
just think how bad he was before i got on him to kick it hard and stop playing with it.
tatro
nice job T. That thing sounds great.
I think he's afraid of hurting it's feelings.
Finally it started.
hahahahah Tatro always shows up the young guys and gets shit running lol , i love it cracks me up
Mine will start in less than 4 kicks.kick a couple times before you turn the key on
Love the pipes.
How much would a rebuilt like this set me back on a 1964 tatro?
I have no idea why bikes don't have kickers now, even just for backup.
Well...My 1st HD was a 72 Sporty...all stock...could be a hard starter....I'm not over 150 pounds.....ign. points and Bendix carb....then, I made it a 74" with 4-5/8" S&S stroker....still with a Bendix...actually started easier....later (1981)....I got the Sputhe XR type top end...still points ign, and 2 PHM 38 Dellortos ....starts Ok...just gotta' watch those intake leaks...makes any HD start hard...
What make and size carb is that? That's what I need for my 64 XLCH.
I just picked up a complete 66 mag engine. Ran before pulled, I've never messed with a mag before. Where do I put the mag to start it? How does the mag stay in one position? Thanks in advance
lots of designs made over the years. they are all a little different on how you do things. advance some for more power and retard some to make it easier to start.
tatro
What kind of carb u got on that bike
Why do so many guys kick these old bikes over standing off to the side? Wouldnt you get more leverage and put more umph into it by straddling it?
no, not even close. if you don't have a big ass you have to use all of your leg strength with the momentum of your whole body weight coming down on the kicker. i was kicking over 98ci stroker motors when i was only 110lbs. 120lbs was alot better but that came later on. when you are 200+ you don't have to do all of this. just stand onto the lever.
tatro
@@TatroMachine Oh ok thanks...never had the opportunity to kickstart an old bike myself so I'd always wondered.
@@TatroMachine That's the truth at 285 if I kick a bike over with out straddling it it will come off the kick stand and go over on it's side. The best one I've ever seen for small guys starting a bike was the guy who would swing his left leg high in the air and come down with both legs at the same time.
What do you think of those SU carbs tatro? I've never had the chance to ride a bike with one installed
***** they do not work on all bikes. its a hit or miss, they are not adjustable enough to correct the problems. bindex carbs have the same issues.tatro
+Max Lee I know you asked Tatro about SU carbs. I have some experience I would like to share. I tried four or five on a Sportster years ago with varying results. The best was an old SU off a Triumph Spitfire. I made a fiberglass mount block similar to the block used for the tillotson and bendix, made thick enough to get the top bell clear of the tank. Bolted it on and the engine started first kick ( on a Sport with points). shut it off and again first kick, again, again....... if the gas was on always. There were two small problems: 1) running on the freeway I had to richen the mixture about 1/2 turn (knob on the bottom). That was a minor issue but easy to live with. 2) The SU carb is tall so it won't fit under the tank without modification to the tank. I made a four gallon fiberglass tank that hid the SU. I ended selling the setup to a very happy chopper builder. I had good luck with others but was always impressed with that first one. The trick is the float level. There are other cv carbs that will probably but most are tall and in the way. My preference is the Tillotson but after all these years you have to rebuild and some parts are sometimes hard to find. Also make sure the fuel filter (if you use one) flows freely. My most recent headache took longer to diagnose than I want to admit. On my 67 XLH would start run/idle perfectly........for a while. Then wind down. If I could pull the choke it would again run for a while. I traced the problem to a newly installed clear plastic filter that traps air and won't flow on its own. I removed it and cured my headache. I was about to the point of burning that bike. Hang in there.
My dad woulda told me to pull my pants up where they belong. Oh I already watched this.
Just curious, Wouldn't it be better to kick it with your other leg over the bike? Like a dirtbike? Why from the side?
because unlike a dirt bike it takes alot of ass to kick a harley. when you are over the bike you can only use your body weight to push the kicker down. when you are on the side of the bike you can use you body weight multiplied by the momentum of your butt dropping to add extra force to the kicker thru the angle of your knee. you need very strong leg muscles to take advantage of all this extra force. watch how i kick and how i tell him to kick. it works with either leg if you are strong enough. i was kicking over big harley stroker motors when i was a kid that only weighted about 110 pounds.
tatro
Tatro Machine cool, thanks for the reply. I've never kicked over a Harley. I've seen people do it both ways.
So I bought a 74 xlch. In regards to my earlier question, In regards to my earlier question, I can kick it either way. Rewiring the whole bike right now. Harness was shot.
What state are you in ? I'm in Ohio, if I may ask??
один цилиндр не работает на малых оборотах ,зажигание чините мастера
Tatro,... I just bout a 68 xlh... Ill have some money one day soon and im going to come calling for you to rebuild it. If you would please.
@3:20, is that guy really trying to tell tatro how to start a bike?
EthanB95 he’s obviously a hipster douchebag with too much money. Kid ain’t a real biker, just look at how we “kicked” that bike, it’s easier in the video games he likes to play. Also no wonder the bike doesn’t get ridden, the dude doesn’t have room for his boyfriend to ride on the back.
VTwin Builder that was gold - both are moving to Austin next week.
why doesnt anybody stand over the bike while you kick it. thats how it designed to be kicked. and whos the guy that keeps telling him what to do and acts like he knows everything. let him try and learn for himself he will probably learn faster without you barking and yelling in his face like he keeps fucking up and doesnt know what hes doing. hes trying.
if you didn't weight 200+ pounds you would have know that you get more kicking force when you use your whole body, not just some of it like when you are over the bike. i will out kick you every time if you do what i say instead of muddling your way thru it. don't forget to pay attention to what the bike wants. its not just spinning it that makes it start.
tatro
All these youngsters and their rigids, won’t be young for long at least in the back!🤣🤣🤣 Hell Man, if you want the Rigid look build a Softail and get the best of both worlds. Doh!
he DOES kick like a girl xD
but then again. I probably do too xD
tell them to stick it.....they have been thee too
Well, THAT thing sure as Hell wouldn't be my getaway/escape ride.
Why the mag when there are better ignition choices.
ckelley63 Mags are awesome. The faster they go the more spark they make. They are vintage racing ignitions.
Just because something is older doesn't mean it is bad.
ckelley63 Not many "better" ignition systems work without a battery. A good mag set correctly works great. An improvement is to replace the "dead/dying" rotor with a JOE HUNT rotor. You won't believe the spark and how hard you don't have to kick. Many pussies have been scared off my offer to let them ride my bike if they can start it. "Hell no those bikes kick back or break your leg" is what I hear. A good mag and "working" Tillotson are a great combination if you know how to "hug" them.
Exactly, most of the people spouting off about magnetos really have no experience with them. They just spit back out information they heard from a friend, that heard it from another guy who read it somewhere...etc. A properly working magneto is rock solid. The offer to"ride it if you can start it" generally shuts up alot of wannabe's. The guys that shoot off their mouths about sporties..etc.
+mr1rapid As you note, I think a lot of the bad reputation is because people don't have the mag retarded correctly for starting.
You can still start the bike even if the mag is not retarded, such as earlier sporties. Another problem is guys kicking their bikes like a little girl! :) Kick the freaking thing!
Hahaha you would think that bike had 20:1 compression as hard as it is for this big kid to kick it over
Aw man sit there and talk bad about him then you can’t even start it yourself! Haha
Wear any leather biker jackets or leather chaps??
Yea, like you were any better at starting it
it starts when i do it.
tatro
@@TatroMachine Like you said in another response there is more to it than just kicking it over. There is a progression of troubleshooting that goes on when kicking a bike over and each bike has it's own little idiosyncrasies. You either learn those troubleshooting techniques or spend your 70's getting your right hip and knee replaced
I'd give this guy a smack
The mechanic or the bike owner?
It is called not being a snowflake, and being able to take someone roasting you.
My 79 was kick only..but i would kill to own this 61 ..a real Harley instead of amf
Too bad AMF wasn't still around to bale them out again, won't be long now.
All because the Magneto advance spring was too new!
that would be the two legged type.
tatro
70s macoonees didnt have excellerator pumps
and they don't need them. about the best carbs made.
tatro
if you told him how to do it right he probably could kick it then. lol
telling and showing is not the same as doing it. it talks more than one skill to do this correctly.
tatro
better put a electric start on that....he cant kick his way out of a wet paper bag...................................
That would be the fuckin day kick my ass off no electric leave the pig there love my harleys but my kicken days are over
If you owned harleys long enough you would know every hog starts differant
This hog sounds agressive
Must be 9 to 1 compression
Did that kid ever get a belt to hold his pants on, or did he become a gangsta rapper?
Like bein harangued by billy bob Thornton
Rick Pope hahahahaha
He should not ride if he kicks like that WTF is he doing I can't watch any more
what a dumbass.
tatro
Yap, yap...
This guy needs to work on his kicking technique
Why would any one want this agravation fine maybe for your self but with a new girfriend she would be gone epecialy at 2 am in the rain
This was very painful to watch , man you guys are mean lol , why wouldnt someone teach this kid how to kick start proper , lmfao notice how his non kicker foot hits ths ground first , dam he was kicking the ground harder then the kicker lol , someone should have told him he needs a left hand kicker bike ah ha ha ha ,,,,at least he wasnt wearing a G string ah ha ha ha
Doesn't sound right...maybe my phone
tuesday....wednesday....thursday...
I would rather have electric start
good luck with that. real harleys don't have elect starters and no provisions to install them. just the way is should be.
tatro
@@TatroMachine Same with race cars.
Kicking like a girl. Lol
what a waste of time kickstarting
it beats push starting it. real bikes are old and do not have buttons on them.
tatro
Matter of opinion
agreed. part of the romance of riding these things is kickstarting them.
L M III i can u understand that . One or two kick is fine any more and it can get annoying
anymore than that and its time to pull out some tools. (annoying and embarrassing). tune time.
Pathetic...
she's sheet