Worst Locksmith Key Machine SEC-E9 Key Cutting Machine - Mr. Locksmith Video
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- Worst Locksmith Key Machine SEC-E9 Key Cutting Machine | Mr. Locksmith Video
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Without a doubt purchasing the SEC E9 "Made in China" Key cutting machine has been one of my worst locksmith investments I have made.
I wanted a new Key Machine to replace my 7 year old Miricle A5 that has seen extensive use and has worked flawlessly. I was about to purchase the Miricle A9s but decided that for the price of one Miricle A9s I could buy two SEC-E9 Key Cutting Machines. I bought one SEC-E9 and quickly regretted the purchase. The SEC-E9 malfunctioned after 10 keys.
The SEC-E9 Windows 8 Tablet PC has failed 4 times. Parts have to be shipped from China and no repair facility exists in the USA or Canada so I had to replace the tablet myself. The Motherboard has failed twice now and again I have to totally disassemble the SEC-E9 code machine each time to replace the motherboard.
I purchased most of the accessories to cut by code most automobile keys including Tibbe Keys, Tubular Keys, dimple keys and single-sided house keys, motorcycle keys, etc.
Also, I purchased the Engraving Jig but after delivery, I was informed the Engraving function was not supported by the SEC-E9 software. No mention of refunding my purchase of the useless Engraving part.
Response from the salespeople in China has been sporadic and the excuses have ranged from no Internet, No Facebook (blocked by the Chinese Government) and no email, again Blocked by the Chinese Government.
I decided to stop wasting my time with the SEC-E9 Key Machines and I now have a new Miracle A9s. The A9s has cut by code more car keys the first week I had it than the SEC-E9 has cut or duplicated in two years!
I have heard from many locksmiths how terrible and unreliable the SEC-E9 Key cutting machine has been. My SEC-E9 is unusable and now packed away in the box. Total silence from the SEC-E9 manufacturer.
Bottom LIne: In my opinion, the SEC-E9 Made in China Key Cutting machine is "garbage" and a total piece of "junk" and is now the Worst Locksmith Key Machine sold today.
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Terry Whin-Yates is a 3rd Generation Locksmith with a BA (Hons) Criminology. He has 35 years experience in the locksmith and security industry and is a locksmith trainer providing locksmith training to people and businesses all across North America. Terry Whin-Yates‘ BC Security License is B4227.
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I have this machine for 3 and a half years and I'm cutting a lot of keys every week! No problems
Alex Girovski I was an early adopter and the SEC-E9 was not ready for a busy locksmith shop. The Miracle A5 and A9 have been great.
There is a gamble with these that explains the cheaper price. I've seen some last for years with no servicing, and I've seen others that were faulty from the box. It's best to save yourself the headache and get something better from the start.
I also have this machine and mine works great. Sorry tou have had trouble with it.
i had to come back to this vidoe after watching it a few years ago. earlier this year i brought myself one. it has been amazing. very easy to use. i got one of the newer ones that i use my own android tablet or my smart phone with via bluetooth. if your just starting out, dont be afraid to get one.
The one problem of being an early adopter of new code machines and auto programmers is I get a lot of problem machines.
Note: I had one of the first Zed Fulls in North America and it was crap. A few years later it turned into a great programmer.
I rolled the dice and bought one for high security keys. So far so good. Every key has worked perfectly. I’ve noticed I have to recalibrate before each use though. I can live with that since it only takes a minute to do so
Yo hago lo mismo calibro siempre antes de usarla
i have one of these. the machine cuts fine. this mr so called locksmith just don't know how to use.
This is the same guy that ripped the Zed Full, dude is a clown.
It took ZedFulll 5+ years to make a decent programmer. Watch my latest video on the ZedFull. Note: I buy my Locksmith tools, key machines and programmers, they have to work.
My first generation sec e9 machine hasn't given me any problem. Not the tablet one. It's been with me for 4 years already and no problem ever since.
The first one that I received the white tablet locked up on me but then they sent me a black tablet that I have been using for the past year no problems. So the original tablet that came with the first generation were not good
You probably got one that is defective from the beginning... I have the 2nd generation for almost 3 years working with it on a daily basis and it's working great
Y-S Locks & Keys of Florida LLC yaniv Yes, some people love their SEC E9 but lots of extremely unhappy people too.
I have one and it works very good and I had it for 4 years
@@24hrMrLocksmith I have heard nothing but good things about this machine and have owned two for 7 years, both still working.
My dad has had this machine for 4 years now and still going strong. He uses it every day.
hahhaa this guy is lying
I can tell from this video this dude was paid by a bigger company to shit on this lol
Have mine for 5 years and still my daily. Have yet to fail me.
Wait, you have another video selling the same machine, on the same video you said it cuts 99% of all keys
And matter fact you’re selling this thing
Hi my friend you right but maybe this is clone machines I don't know if its or same but i will be happy if i get the answer
Had mine for 3 years now. I cut auto keys every day with it as well as tibbe. Never had an issue with it at all. I would recommend it.
Ron Bousfield Sometimes I am an early adopter of new products and it bites me in the butt. My SEC-E9 is garbage with no company support. I have now purchased several Miracle A9s and great code machines and fantastic customer support.
I am sorry to hear you had issues. Guess we differ in opinions. Having 30 years experience, mine counts too.
Had mine for 2 years in the back of my van. Worked like a charm. Only problem ive ever had is sometimes you have to go over honda keys twice
Set the cutter to 1.9 and u good
Mr. Locksmith, could you tell us what are the problems you found in this Kukai Sec- E9 machine?
Thank you.
Me interesa una máquina automática así como está por favor me puedes orientar dónde comprarla , gracias
Me interesa una máquina automática así como está por favor me puedes orientar dónde comprarla , gracias
I have two from UHS hardware they are really nice machines I did have to replace the board on one but other than that I love it and it's about the only machines I use everyday
We’ve had an SEC-9 for 2 years. Only had one issue arise that I fixed on the job.
My only complaint is it won’t cut decode some Ford emergency keys with the funny bend/ curve near the shoulder...but my buddies brand new Miracle A9 won’t decode or cut them either! Lol.
I’ve updated the software once successfully too. My buddy can’t update his A9.
I think I won with this machine. I’ve cut hundreds of keys on my SEC-9.
I think you got a lemon.
have you tried to use on the next tip stop location number 2 instead of three. Should give you enough space that you can cut and decode Ford Emergency keys..
Yes. I have tried that.
The issue is the curve near the bow cannot be held in the jaw correctly for cutting.
The issue for decoding is, I believe, that the tracer thinks the cut spacing is different than it actually is. It will attempt to decode and the tracer will hit the end of the milling on the key that is supposed to be the first cut and throw an error as if it has hit an obstruction. Must be a software thing. I’ve reported it to them.
I've had my SEC-E9 for almost 4 years and I have never had an issue. I have gotten the machine wet several times during massive thunderstorms in Houston and I even smoke cigarettes around the machine lol. I use it almost everyday and have only needed to calibrate it maybe 2 times
What key machine would you recommend that will do what that was supposed to do that doesn’t cost a arm and a leg
Framon!!!
All you have done here is advertise that the company actually stands by its product and has a good warranty to be sending you each part 4 times.
He has shown this machine is worthless for making keys, but it will make you frustrated with the parts department.
@@asherdie Yeah I don't know dude, something just doesn't seem right. If the machine cut 10 keys successfully there shouldn't be a difference between then and now. He may be a good locksmith but I just can't fully trust a guy that is trying to sell me a book every other video.
@@bensgarage8325 10 keys out of how many, a stopped clock is still right rice a day.
Thank you I was going to invest in that machine but now I won't. I don't like wasting time and money.
Eugene Bigay. 1990 American Skaters Some locksmiths love it but we are a busy mobile locksmith and we can’t have down time and no support from the Manufacturer. Happy with our Miracle code machines. (A5 still going strong and a A9s)
Hello , we have two SEC E9 one with engraving function and one without. We love them, they work perfect. We have had issues with ASSA 500 and 700 keys. But for Carkeys they work perfect. It is a very good machine for smaller money. If comparing to Silca and keyline. Maybe you should use mecanical machines? Do not try to repair them if you do not what you are doing! Jakob from Sweden
For everybody who says the SEC E9 works great I have 10-20 times people telling me the Key Machine is broken again. A few people like yourself have no problems. We are a busy locksmith company and we get our key machines repaired by the factory or we fix them. No problems fixing all our ITLs and Miracles and regular duplicators. However, ITL Factory repair is next to useless now and hearing the same with Factory repair of HPC Blizz code machines.
I use this machine to make 200 to 250 automotive keys per month. A majority of the keys are decoded by Lishi. That often means that you are cutting test blanks prior to cutting the key onto a transponder blank. So lets just average out to 300 keys per month. That would mean I’ve cut 5,400 keys in the 18 months i’ve been using this machine. I have not had any problems with the machine cutting inaccurately and the machine and tablet have never given me a problem.
I may add that this machine is mounted in a mobile unit and not just sitting on a counter in a shop.
I think the industry has counted on the cost of entry into the profession to be the individual Locksmith’s protection from competition. So it makes sense to poorly review budget friendly equipment. That’s not fair to this product.
That being said, this machine is not perfect by any means. It has some quirks. But if you are an experienced locksmith, they are not problems you can’t work around. Most of those issues come from the database within the machine in reference to which keys apply to a given Make and Model. But if you know what key blank a vehicle requires (or you look it up in your Ilco book) it is not an issue to select the correct key and/or code series.
It also has had some issues with building cutting trees. For some reason the B102 keyway GM products (code series S001A) will cut a key to code using that code series. But if you are trying to build a cutting tree for that keyway, it will not search against that code series.
Those are some examples of the quirks you have to work with. But if you are a locksmith, it should not be anything you cant figure out.
I really hope that you just had a horrible chain of bad and rare events that created your experience with this machine. I like to watch locksmith trade related videos that share knowledge and keep me up to date on what new products and tools are being released. But i hope that the information provided is unbiased and a true review of the product or topic being discussed.
You stated you know others using this machine and they have had the same experience that you had. I have others i know using this machine as well. None of them have had the problems you have shown in this video.
I hope i have shed a different light on this to people that see this video. It’s healthy as locksmiths to support each other and offer accurate information so we can grow and improve our skills and equipment.
Some locksmiths love their SEC-E9 but many hate it. The major problem is the lack of parts, poor communication with the supplier or factory, the lists goes on and on. My MIricle A5 and A9s, Borkey, anything Framon makes are fantastic key machines and endless support from the Manufactures.
I agree excellent machine. No problem is unfix able with common locksmith knowledge. Not perfect but damn near. Best $2,300 I spent.
Thanks for the info. I was just going to purchase this. Love the videos. Thanks
Try the mini condor its fairly cheap and i have yet to even have a miscut over at least 6 months, 3k or under in price and with the M4 jaw (additional purchase) you can also cut commercial and residential keys by code or bitting
The only issue i have is the find bitting function while using lishis, i now only use Gcode for progressions
I had mine for 8 years since 2014 still running with no issues. I cut over 8 keys a day on it no issues.
La tengo hace 3 años anda perfecta nunca tuve un problema no rompió ni un palpador ni fresa la.uso seguido súper recomendable esta maquina yo la tengo con app de Android saludos
Love mine!! built in windows pad... sec e9 purchased about 6yrs back or more... There are several versions..seems you are not aware of.. Mine is a better one than the new ones...
What about the SEC-E9 Pro? I have heard nothing but good things about them. My main concern is finding something that will cut residential keys with the cuts I decode instead of cutting by hand
Did you calibrate the machine with a tracer in both chuck if you use a cutter in one and tracer in other your keys will not cut correctly they will be off in the space ad depth
I'm a real Locksmith and 5 years on we have cut thousands of keys on this machine WE LOVE IT never let us down once , cuts perfect every time , our viper sat in corner never used , Miracle is much better quality than SEC but for banging about on the van daily use it's incredible. www.foxlocks.co.uk
Wow I'm sure you're not biased at all...
I found out that the window tablet version sucks, so I recently purchased the non tablet version. Also heard that the android tablet base one in better
OK so over the top claims - everyone that is a real locksmith ....... Ive had 3 SEC Machines. I would agree that a machine under 2K would have some bugs and quality issues but overall they are what they are. I use mine as a backup now but it still cuts decent. Yes you have to calibrate but for the most part they are a decent entry machine. I get possibly you are mad about your purchase however 4 tablets and 2 or 3 circuit boards ??? Are you leaving it outside ?
David Sutton In the shop and never made it to the service truck.
They offered to buy it back but never heard from them again
It sits in a box in the garage ready to ship where ever for repairs or refund.
MR. Locksmith it would be Much. beter if you would cut some keys on the Sec-E9 to show how bad it works
Love to but the SEC E9 doesn't work.
I will show you
I heat this key mechine 🤣😂🤣😅😂😅😂😅😅😂🤣
There are two local locksmith by me that I personally know that have The SEC -E9 and they regret buying it to and they also have problem with tech support but there is one who has it and says he loves it he's on TH-cam
Hector Morales When I first received the machine I though it was great. However, after only a few days on the job a series of problems started and now sits in a box ready to be shipped back to the Manufacturer for the past year. Easter Weekend 2019 the Factory contacted me again and said they would get back to me. I have not holding my breath.
what do you think about the condor
Mauricio Vital I have not used a Condor.
Very happy with the Miracle A5 for the past 7 years and recently purchased the Miracle A9s and both are used daily.
SEC-E9 still sitting in a box in pieces.
@@24hrMrLocksmith thanks for the reply and yes i hear those r great machines but double the price tag lol
It took me 3 days to figure it out that it was a piece of garbag PS good luck with your return it shows you have more patience than me
Over one year trying to fix it and getting the runaround from the "Factory"
I love mine. granted it's a 2021 SEC-E9 PRO. mine works flawlessly. no tablet, use my android phone/tablet.
I've had several. They are great.
Thanks, I was considering buying one. You just saved me 3 grand
I also noticed that the 3rd gen SEC E9 machine has lots of problem
Ok so the Sec-e9 is junk, is there any other machine comparable to its abilities and price?
Would you be willing to sell it broken? Im avidly into locksport and im learning electronics so i could use a good challenging project if youd get rid of it.
Which Gen is this SEC E9 Machine?
I have miracle A5 since 2011 it doesn’t have any single issue until now
Diyauldeen Bargouth
Can you cut chevy express and Silverado , 10 cuts ???
NO to hate & violence
You mean B111 key??
Selvarado 2006 -
Diyauldeen Bargouth
B119 & b120
They are used for chevy express & Silverado , both ten cuts , not the standard edge cuts but the milling high security cuts
NO to hate & violence
In our region “Middle East” we don’t have B119 or B120 we have only B100 for the vehicles 2000-2005 and B111 2006-2012 and HU101 for 2013 -
It’s not 100% accurate for the years but I’m100% sure for the blanks nothing else than this blanks and miracle A5 did all
RMSG
True but it doesn't cut the keys I mentioned .
IDK the it appears that everyone else who has one of these machines including myself, has come on here to tell you, that you might be the only one with these problems although you state that its the worse machine it seems like you are the only one on this thread that you started. i believe i went down most of the comments and i didn't see one to support your views and allegations. I did see a lot if not all that are opposed to your opinion. you may want to reconsider your statements. and maybe say that your experience is that and not that the machines are worthless as i can see from here its your creditability that is being tested and affected. just my opinion, my experience is i have 3 for close to 3 yrs now and i haven't cut a key that didn't work unless it was human error. at this point the machine has not failed.
I can feel ua disappointments mr locksmith..having incured all that and u cul actually not geting returns & crush afta 1 week is completely disgusting...hope manufacturers got this inf...otherwise its a garbage.
Lol Nothing is better them my v8x6 key machine, going strong for 6 year now, I cut 10-15 keys a day, had no problem, only thing it doesn't cut GM high security 10 cut
Its pretty obvious by the way you asked them to send you a machine in your video that youve never asked them prior to your video. you say everyone you know that has one says theyre junk.... Dont bash a company when you never just asked for a replacement unit.... I own 3 of these. one in my shop and onenin each of my service truck. I hafent had a single issue with one of them and their customer service is on point. You repair machines and have done it for 30 years and feel this machine is hard to disassemble? This thing is 6th grade level stuff. my ten year old takes a part the machine in the shop once a week due to the amount of keys we cut on a daily basis and we like to keep up with the upkeep of the machine. you said everyone you know that has this machine says its junk.... Im assuming youve only got a friend or two because if you scroll down theres 50 good reviews for each bad review. Im trying not to go too hard on you here but your video was clearly made out of anger. It drives me nuts when people leave reviews before trying every option to resolve it simply because shit happens. Amazon customers are the worst when it comes to this. ive seen so many bad reviews for products when the the issue is 1000% without a doubt user error. Please dont be that guy Mr. smith. Please take this as constructively and try not to get all buthurt. Have a good day Mr. Smith!
Paid full price :-(
It’s a crap key machine with no customer service.
What's your best piece of junk?😂
Seems like the thread of comments here is a great ad for sec e9
You probably got the DEMO SIr my famila be cutting keys with this thing for so long I’m sick of seeing it around
I got a lemon for sure. Also, no repair service or parts. I have heard more complaints about the SEC E9 than any key machine.
You said the zed full was worse machine
I bought one and works perfectly programe most cars
Sam Yarou “most?”
It does most cars that's right. There isn't one tool that will do every car. But the zed does more then the smart pro wich I have also. Mr locksmith you need to learn how to use your tools properly and how to get the most out of each tool you buy.
Rich Polmateer hey folk I’m looking for scanner but I need chose the right one, I’m thinking in the smar pro or zed full which u recommend
Almost forgot to mention had a 2012 Fiat 500 key it would not cut right tried the two i had would not do. Keys i purchased where too wide about .030 too wide. Also had the problem with a Honda Civic key customer brought to cut was a flip key it too was too wide after filing both side equally they did work, But was not the fault of machine but of the key i was trying to cut.
Also try going to down from 2.0 to 1.8 mm I learned this from a rep overseas after a WhatsApp conference and it cuts butter 🧈 Honda keys. Make sure you calibrate before hu100s though btw 1.8 is for Honda only.
how is the be-367? can be defeated the same way the keypad version is with the drill hole?
Best key machine for its price! I never had problem and I have 3D extreme which is made in America and the price is 2x extra but always have problem!
Yea I hate mine honestly….I had a condor mini and switched to this thing and HATE it
Total garbage and extremely poor service.
I dropped mine on the ground still works
I had my sec e9 over 5 years
and cut thousand of keys
my machine is brilliant
Don't listen to this guy
Every tool he says it's the worst investment for Locksmith
Even zed full, great for Immobiliser and Eeprom
Sec e9 great machine for the price
Even cuts hu162T no problem
SEC E9 is Junk. You may have the 1 in a 1000 that works. Also, extremely poor customer service. They wouldn’t even try to fix it. Buyer beware!
Love Honest Opinion and Analysis. Great Video !
shawns442 Thanks!
I have one it's cut hundreds of keys and never cut one wrong to this day
You are one of the lucky ones. Just a pile of junk in my shop.
My dad have the new version and is so good
Sofia R Some locksmiths have no problems and others same as me.
Bottom Line: no customer support.
I've actually had many problems with this machine, I had to calibrate it twice for it to cut normal keys well, but turns out that high security keys are cut very very wrong and I have no idea how to fix this
Tour Urbn When I first reported the problems with the SEC E9 and the lack of support I was ridiculed. Now, the online forums are complaining about the reliability problems and lack of support or parts.
@@24hrMrLocksmith crazy thing is that when I talked to the support team about it, they told me that they had no idea how to fix that. You know it's a problem when the people that made the damn thing don't know how to fix it.
Ok, great review I was about to purchase this machine when I saw your video, now according to you wich key cutting machine will be the best based on your experience, please. Thanks for your help.
Miracle A9s just replaced our Miriacle A5
Perhaps you have to recalibrate it?
Seeing that it is so bad I'll give you $100 for it. Better than sitting in the back of your shop doing nothing.
Hi you want to sale the tablet
My E9 Machine touch is damage .
pls help me and new tablet window touch
A year ago he did a video saying it was great!!! I’m confused!!
cjcolemanmobile I purchased the SEC E9 and it worked for 10 keys and then started to break down. Just a POS!
No tienes ni puta idea BONIAAATOOO !!!!
My nephew machines motherboard just fried. He was going to give it to me & i would buy a motherboard to fix and keep. Im assuming i should not waste my hard earned money on this machine.
My machine worked excellently then it stopped. My wife got in contact with someone overseas and they sent a new motherboard at no cost after we did a video conference on WhatsApp. I haven’t had one problem since then. Yes calibration is a must but I’m super confident with it. Excellent machine for the cost and if your starting out this machine won’t disappoint. It made me over $100,000 and purchased my laser 994 and about to buy my Ninja laser. I’ll never sell it!!!!!!!!!
Gainesville Locksmith (Florida 438-4081) you win for stupid Troll comment of the Month so far. When your old TH-cam Channel has more than "zero" videos and more than "zero" subscribers send me a link to your video. (Terry from Mr. Locksmith)
I bought a 3D printer from China. Same story. Their support people did not know english, the machine never worked correctly. The software they sent was riddled with viruses, my anti virus program refused to let me install it.
Me interesa una máquina como esa alguien que por favor me recomiende algun lugar donde comprarla gracias
Mine has had many problems and at last they want me to buy a new pad
My machine lost the key marking software. Does anyone know where i can get a copy of the MarkingLogo.exe ?
Try kcm7
i have cut thousands of key with it and they are spot on
mine works great. that sounds like the 3d extrem with the problems
I have a miracle a9 the real one and I love t
Jay Krupa I am very happy with our Miracle A9s and our 7 year old A5.
Sometimes it’s just better to by the real thing 😂
How about xhorse
Get what you pay for - clone of miracle a9. Chinese love to copy
@MR.LOCKSMITH I am interested to take automotive locksmith class i kept sending email nobody reply me back im from toronto, i called one time they said they dont know when the class starts,
im willing to travel to vancouver for that class
Papi Area email me “terry@mrlocksmith.com”
Look up just cars if you want auto training
I agree with you 100% I had bought it myself it was a piece of crap I threw it in the garbage where I need to be
Hector Morales The factory has several times, as recently as this week too, said they would fix it but it still sits in a box ready for shipping wherever they want me to send it.
Look like the machine passed car accident
We have given up trying to put the SEC-E9 together again. I just purchased a Miricle A9s and am super happy with the reliability and accuracy cutting keys by code and duplication of High-Security Car keys.
I'll take yours for free if you don't want it I'll pay shipping.
Not true
Very true, it is a piece of shit !
Don't buy this key mechine 😅😂🤣😂😅🤣😂😅🤣🤣😅😅🤣😂😅😂🤣😂
Mine only goes up to 2009. Can anyone help???
That is one of the major problems "no support"
After 2 weeks talking to them back and forth I realize it was time to get rid of it they give a lot of mumbo-jumbo I'm glad I didn't board accessories with it
I have been back and forth with SEC-E9 for a year now. Last week they contacted me again and said they would get back to me again. Lots of dead air.
Instead talking only, show us what is the matter to make us understand what is wrong.
Liar. Maybe a one off machine has problems. Or maybe paid to publish this video by rival company.
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