Awesome. I appreciate Dr. Pierce's ability to hear and consider your points, and respond so intelligently based on her reading not the text- w/o getting defensive or "protective" of the orthodox view.
49:00 Here it’s interesting where Dr. Pierce mentions “The Son is God revealed”. Trinitarians & Unitarians could nod in agreement over this phrase for entirely different reasons.
At 1:14:00 I appreciated her comments about how high level christology is enough of a pastoral message _in itself_ for a transformed life (did I get that right?). I'm sure she has some good thoughts on this too I'd live to hear sometime, as it might help our ongoing meaning crisis theme.
There is a clear distinction between Hebrews 1:5 & 1:6-12 where God is speaking, 1st Person, through David in 1:5 & the psalmist’s words (inspired by God) are delivered in 1:6-12. I don’t see God the Father speaking to Jesus. I believe you have an English translation bias where it is suggested God is speaking to Jesus, particularly in Hebrews 1:10 which quotes Psalm 102. Biblical Unitarians I believe make the mistake of suggesting a “further renewal” of creation being referred to here to support the “new creation”. It is clear the psalmist is speaking to & about YHVH (LORD) in Psalm 102. It is also clear the Genesis creation is being referred to.
Robert Recchia Doesn’t Psalms 102 allude to New Creation in that it refers to the original creation passing away? Remember it is the “age to come” that is in view for the author, as he specifically states in chapter 2:5.
Absolutely. You are reinforcing my point. The Genesis creation is being referred to as “passing away” & being “folded up” to make way for the new creation. Hebrews 1:10-12 is simply being repeated from Psalm 102. The Hebrews writer simply inserted it to make that point.
Not in that particular passage, no. God the Father is not addressing Jesus as LORD. Hebrews 1:10-12 is quoted from Psalm 102. There the Psalmist is speaking to God the Father & about God the Father & addressing Him as LORD (YHVH). The speakers do not change. Notice verses 1:5 & 1:13 that are also being quoted are God speaking in the “1st person” Verses 1:6-12 are not.
@@robertrecchia2642 How would you interpret what the author is trying to say then?, like, Why would he write "and" and then quote that passage from Psalms 102?
Awesome. I appreciate Dr. Pierce's ability to hear and consider your points, and respond so intelligently based on her reading not the text- w/o getting defensive or "protective" of the orthodox view.
Excellent mutually respectful discussion. Both sides presented their points with clarity.
Interesting look at Hebrews Sam You being a lot to the table 😊
49:00 Here it’s interesting where Dr. Pierce mentions “The Son is God revealed”. Trinitarians & Unitarians could nod in agreement over this phrase for entirely different reasons.
At 1:14:00 I appreciated her comments about how high level christology is enough of a pastoral message _in itself_ for a transformed life (did I get that right?). I'm sure she has some good thoughts on this too I'd live to hear sometime, as it might help our ongoing meaning crisis theme.
Second!
Nice Buckaroo Banzai glasses.
There is a clear distinction between Hebrews 1:5 & 1:6-12 where God is speaking, 1st Person, through David in 1:5 & the psalmist’s words (inspired by God) are delivered in 1:6-12. I don’t see God the Father speaking to Jesus. I believe you have an English translation bias where it is suggested God is speaking to Jesus, particularly in Hebrews 1:10 which quotes Psalm 102. Biblical Unitarians I believe make the mistake of suggesting a “further renewal” of creation being referred to here to support the “new creation”. It is clear the psalmist is speaking to & about YHVH (LORD) in Psalm 102. It is also clear the Genesis creation is being referred to.
Robert Recchia
Doesn’t Psalms 102 allude to New Creation in that it refers to the original creation passing away? Remember it is the “age to come” that is in view for the author, as he specifically states in chapter 2:5.
Absolutely. You are reinforcing my point. The Genesis creation is being referred to as “passing away” & being “folded up” to make way for the new creation. Hebrews 1:10-12 is simply being repeated from Psalm 102. The Hebrews writer simply inserted it to make that point.
I don’t understand your point, could you elaborate further?
Are you trying to say hebrews 1:10-12 isn’t about Jesus?
Not in that particular passage, no. God the Father is not addressing Jesus as LORD. Hebrews 1:10-12 is quoted from Psalm 102. There the Psalmist is speaking to God the Father & about God the Father & addressing Him as LORD (YHVH). The speakers do not change. Notice verses 1:5 & 1:13 that are also being quoted are God speaking in the “1st person” Verses 1:6-12 are not.
@@robertrecchia2642 How would you interpret what the author is trying to say then?, like, Why would he write "and" and then quote that passage from Psalms 102?
First!