Max I watched this video couple of times. I think this is the best performance against Seymour! I was just praising you to my guild about your genius in manual attacks!
Thanks Max, I was able to defeat Seymour last night using your method🥳 I just wanted to add some stats to help others. My Lilith needed 13.4K armor to reduce the claw attack damage. If you want to save artifact coins, my Lilith had 5* lvl 100 1st artifact and gave my hero’s plenty of magic defense. I would add 2 health requirements as well; Faceless probably needs over 80k health to survive (mine was at 109k) and Jhu needed 70k to survive the laser beams. Jhu was a struggle for me for a while because he kept dying before I could activate his first ability. The laser beam comes in 2 waves, and Jhu needs 70k health to survive the first wave and then activate his first ability before the second wave of lasers. Thanks again 🥳
@@khuephan3376 You need to have a violet Fenris attached to Jhu or using Cain as a Pet for the whole line-up will also work because at some point Lilith will dodge one of the first two claw attacks of Seymour.
Excellent! I though I had to have a 200k health Faceless, my Jhu is lvl 130 with 49k power, my Oliver and Fenris are purple, my Martha is Orange+2, my Keira is red with 105k power, so I just have to work on Lilith and a lot her first artifact. Thank you, I thought the devs had put a "min team power" restriction to defeat Seymour.
My Lilith is now ready for combat and I use her in GA. My plan was to beat Seymour with the same team as yours but Lilith is gonna be reworked before I'll become strong enough to stand a chance. What I'll do if this happens is unclear. My Keira was kept being leveled up just against Seymour and for Outland. Lilith gives me magic defense and keeps inflating herself until... yes, I time out against Seymour. Faceless falls almost instantly with the other three heroes standing for a while. (I'm at TL106 now but I see I'll need at least TL120 to win...) I'm looking forward to see if it's possible to beat Seymour with the new Lilith or I'll have to find a new layout.
@@max__ I actually reached him about a month (and a half?) ago with my tankless Yasmine team of TL103 and have been working on Lilith (and Keira) since then. Still, this won't be easy because my team is still vulnerable to magic attacks if I can't trigger a Magic Defense buff. Lilith is a good choice to eliminate this weakness but if she's getting nerfed, I fear it won't be possible to beat Seymour without a hero of Red rank or so (which is still far away for all of my heroes).
TL114, pwr 438346, same team as yours, 1st artifact of Keira is now 6* lvl 95. This is strong enough to make Seymour's Earth attack backfire but I'm still not quite fast enough against the other two elements. However, TL115 should be enough, because Keira gets the Unity of Extremes item by reaching it, yielding +1331 physical attack.
SEYMOUR IS DEAD!!!!! Still at TL115, pwr 449830. 8 seconds left, I let his Fire attack backfire while letting my heroes charge for a last attack, but the latter wasn't needed any more. I used the same team as yours: Lil/Kei/Jhu/Fac/Mar + Fen. This is also my second team in my top15 GA squad. I had a fluke with the gifts, yielding me 60 Certificates = 60k Artifact coins = Keira's 2nd artifact at 6* too. I have a question how low on TL any of you were able to defeat Seymour. TL115 seems to be an important barrier because of the item limits. The campaign is complete with straight 3*s, of course. I dumped all of my resouces, including my strategic reserves, into Keira, yielding 3 L95+ artifacts, 2x6* and 1x5* (the 3rd). As a pure free player, it took me 1 year, 7 months and 2 weeks.
It's really awesome how u defeated last boss with the 66 lvl jhu. Btw what do u think about Yasmine? Do u plan on doing a video on her? We would love to see it.
Thank you. We did some testing with Yasmine in our Guild. She is a fun hero to go for, very strong too, she can beat K'arkh and Keira. But we found out that Mage teams with the Twins and especially Helios are hard for her. So she is no overlord Heroine, but interesting. If I went for her I would try to increase her Critical hits by adding Jet and Sebastian, something like Astaroth, Andvari, Yasmine, Sebastian, Jet. Will probably do no video though :/
TL115, pwr 443641. I managed to make Seymour's Fire attack backfire somehow but I'm still not consistent and I never managed to do it twice on one try. Either I succeed or I fail, and Fenris has to blind if Seymour launches his Earth attack.
Hey Max, I have only Astaroth, Jasmine, Celeste, Maya, Orion, Teya, Helios heroes up and selling all other hero stones to get money, it is possible to beat this boss with some of this hero list combos?
Hello Oleg. I am not sure if Yasmine is a big help, maybe it works with Yasmine, but I don't really know. With these Heroes you will need a very strong team, maybe 600K+ total Power. If you want to beat Seymour with less total Power you will need Martha, Faceless and Jhu, maybe you can use Astaroth instead of Lilith if you have a violett Fenris or Cain, but without Martha, Faceless and Jhu it will be very hard. Astaroth, Jhu, Orion, Faceless, Martha might work, but you will need a very strong Astaroth and high Magic Defenses for all Heroes because you don't use Lilith. Here is someone who is using Orion, but she has a very strong team and is also using Nebula who supports Orion.
@@oleggrachev2736 The Heroic Chest is not a good idea, she could be in there, but there are a lot of other Heroes too, the chance to get her there is low. You can get her when there is an Event or also with the Lesser Soul Stone Chest (that you get at the 28th of every month, if you logged in daily) you can get her Soul Stones.
Now, still at TL108, I managed to drain ~45% of Seymour's health, even with Keira's early fall. My Keira needs about 50% more health but she's getting sturdy enough to consistently beat at least some Ep14 missions in Auto mode. (The same applies for Ilyssa in Outland.)
Well done, Max. amazing. thanks for sharing good video. I have a question. I wonder why Jhu and Martha didn't die because of first laser of Seymour. Could you tell me?
Is hitting the post somehow reduce that first laser. My 4 heroes behind the tank all got wiped instantly with that laser I have a 130 red kiera a 130 orange martha, my kiera had more hp than my martha, because I've almost maxed all the glyph and gifts of elements and artifacts. Still dies with 1 laser. My main tank is Corvus it laster until the timer end but the first 4 just keep dying with that laser. I'm not sure how yours does die wiht that laser, especailly that low level jhu
Yes, if you can destroy the first Outpost in time, the strength of the Laser is reduced. If you have Lilith's 1st Artifact high enough though, it doesn't matter if you destroy the 1st Outpost or not.
TL110, pwr 402258, now Keira is strong enough to survive Seymour's first magic attack... (Lilith has a L85 first artifact, providing +12k magic defense.)
Thank you for video. Here are some question: I have same team but lilith always die seymor's second attack - how many attempts did you do ? - maybe fix bug :)
@@max__ Could I ask you an advice on my plan? Beating Seymour for me is a long-term plan; I used Lilith with great enjoyment against Brog (instead of Astaroth), and she was a part of my plan before rework applied. Now I am thinking about other approach in the light of rework changes: Luther (Oliver) - Alvanor (Axel) - Kai (Merlin) - Thea (Axel) - Lilith (Mara), team pet Merlin. Is my plan perspective? Could you give approximative number of team power for carrying out this plan?
@@elkr79 Hey, to be honest, I don't really think that your team will work. The easiest might be to use Keira + Jhu or Orion. But now with Lilith's rework, they probably need to be a lot more levelled up. Maybe Astaroth, Orion, Faceless, Thea (she has Magic Defense as 1st Artifact), Martha would work.
@@max__ Thank you very much for your video. I followed your lead and defeated Seymour back in June, with a team level of 127 and power level of less than 300k. My goal was to defeat him at less than level 130. I don't know if anyone else has done that pre-Asgard. Thanks again, and here's the video. I was going to edit it, but... th-cam.com/video/GCMIkl01mis/w-d-xo.html
@@elkr79 Hello. I used Max's line-up when I first defeated Seymour, but then won again using the same team, except with Astaroth as the tank. It is necessary to make the heroes more resistant to magic attack, which should be easier now with Asgard. Here is the video of that battle, with stats at the end. th-cam.com/video/M5uQzBCrBjw/w-d-xo.html
Lilith is gonna be improved and re-positioned. This implies that Seymour may be more difficult to beat in the future. You just need a ton of magic defense and/or health to withstand his first Fire attack since Astaroth can only resurrect one hero. Ast/May/etc. may do the trick but probably not with less than 300k power. I did the battle twice more for the quest by hand but that was it, of course, and Santa brought me the Golden Ticket (a big convenience).
@@harczymarczy Omg! Let me know when this is happening, okay? Please make a comment here once they repositioned her because I stopped playing the Game I wouldn't notice it otherwise.
Thank you for video. Here are some question: 1. How much damage can Rufus` first skill defend from Seymour` magical attack? 2. Can Jhu be put at the tanker? Before Seymour give you physical attack, I activate Jhu`s first skill which seems to make Jhu undead during 6 minutes.
Welcome. 1. A fully maxed Rufus can block a little bit over 320K Magical damage (hero-wars.ji7.ru/heroes/42/BkzJmTQUt7-CgoKCyyyyy888 ). I don't think that this alone would be enough to save your Heroes from Seymour's 1st Laser Beam attack, but may be helpful. 2. Will be very hard. A fully maxed Jhu has 646K Health but only 7'200K Armor (hero-wars.ji7.ru/heroes/37/BkzJmTQUt7-CgoKCyyyyy8888 ). A Jorgen with 420K Health and 7'300K Armor dies on the 1st Claw attack of Seymour. You will not be able to use Jhu's 1st Skill upon the very first attack with the Claw of Seymour.
@@max__ I have noticed you had invested a lot on Aurora. Can she dodge the physical attack from Seymour? Another interesting thing, can Yasumine in her first skill being activated avoid the physical attack from Seymour?
@@meiraiseki4293 Just tested it for you. It works, once in a while Aurora is dodging the very first physical attack with the Claw of Seymour. This means also Yasmine can dodge Seymour's physical attack in her normal form and even better when her 1st Skill is activated as the dodge is increased while she is in stealth mode.
I guess it will also work with another damage dealer than Keira, maybe with Qing Mao or Dark Star, but it might be that they have to be more levelled up than Keira in order to defeat the Outposts in time. It does work with K'arkh instead of Keira, but here also I am not sure how much levelled up K'arkh is required to be.
@@max__ I just finally leveled up K'arkh to near max (missing one star on his Agility Ring,) and I go set the fight with Seymour to only find out that he GOES IN FRONT OF HER!!!! LOL I can't believe all of that for nothing. Didn't survive first 2 attacks since I could not get enough energy in time. Do you have any other suggestions for lots of attacks and damage other than Keira?
@@christopherdoyle8081 Oh bugger, *facepalm*. I didn't think of that. Now you probably want to go with another tank, maybe Astaroth or Ziri: th-cam.com/video/B6wZpBvmqxs/w-d-xo.htmlm47s Or maybe it could still work if you added Cain as a Pet to your line-up, so K'arkh will dodge one of the 2 attacks of Seymour once in a while. Don't give up too early, there might be a way. So you have K'arkh, Lilith, Jhu, Faceless, Martha as your team at the moment? If you assign a violet Fenris to Jhu, Jhu will blind Seymour once in a while with his basic attack which will make him miss one of his first two attacks with his Claw on K'arkh.
Got Fenrir to 130, and made several attempts. A few thoughts. 1, if you get Lilith strong enough she can facetank two slams even without Seymour blinded, so that can help. 2, my Martha is too strong to get enough energy for allowing Keira to dodge that first slam, so be careful about overleveling her for you. 3, I don't know if it's timing or what, but attempting to use Fenrir's ability to blind the Keira slam isn't working. Help?
1) Yes, I agree, if Lilith can survive the two blows of Seymour in the beginning on her own it helps a lot. 2) If Martha is too strong for her to load her energy bar quickly by getting hit it is not that big a problem. 3) Trigger Fenris when Seymour is throwing her into the air and she has reached the highest point have a look at 6.15 in this video: th-cam.com/video/RDT26Ni8gSQ/w-d-xo.htmlm15s
@@max__ Tried some more, and Martha's ult uptime just simply isn't enough to be able to kill this prick. I miss the threshold on too many red orbs. I could probably get somewhere if I just jam ultra-hard on everyone else's DPS, but that's gonna take months. Any suggestions to hopefully avert that?
Max, thanks for all the input. My real question would be If you were to begin all over in new server, which heroes would you take to red, orange, violet to help with outland, campaign and adventure. for GW and arena dont really matter for me now as i want to get titan soul shop open before picking heroes for GW arena and grand arena,
Lilith, Keira, Isaac, Faceless, Martha + Andvari and Jorgen (for adventures) + Sebastian (he is very useful against many teams due to his effect negating 1st Skill) + a weak Jhu + Jet (as a combo with Sebstian) + Nebula if you want (sometimes she is very strong with special Daily Buffs for Healers and/ or Support in Adventures). Main team for Arena and Guild Wars would then be: Andvari, Keira, Nebula (or Isaac against Mages), Sebastian, Jet. I am not really a specialist for Outland, against Brog you might need Orion (together with Faceless and Jorgen). Helios would also be useful if you still have resources to level him up, whenever you are up against Yasmine. And of course Lian is a great stopper against an adversary Keira and also reinforcing your Magic Power (especially useful for adventures, you will be popular among your Guildmates if you have Physical and Magic Power). So let me see, hey, that's 14 Heroes already. As Hero number 15 I would go for Celeste (she is very strong and useful and will make great combinations with the other Mages I already mentioned (Faceless, Orion, Helios, Jorgen, Lian). Okay, a levelled up but otherwise weakish Dorian, might also come in handy. So that's that. Was just checking, with this recommendation you will have great teams in Outland against Brog and Ilyssa, but against Vadjar it will probably get difficult as from the above selection only Andvari and Nebula qualify to fight against Vadjar. But in the Campaign and in Adventures you will do great :D
Hmm, it seems I saved a standard answer to your question some time back. My answer back then was: "Okay. Main attackers: Keira (physical), Orion (magical). Important support Heroes: Jorgen, Nebula, Sebastian (also counter Hero against Jorgen), Isaac (counter against Mages). Important Counter Heroes: Andvari (against K'arkh), Helios (against Yasmine). Additional very important Heroes: Martha, Faceless, Jet, Dorian. Tanks: Galahad or Aurora, choose Galahad if you like to play mostly with Keira, choose Aurora if you like to play mostly with Orion. As a second Tank go for Lilith (you will need her against the final End Boss in the Campaign, Seymour). Support attacker for Keira: Qing Mao. And Hero no. 16 would be Jhu (very useful against Bosses in the Campaign and in Adventures and especially against Seymour)." Makes sense also + a lot of congruency with my current answer.
TL112, I didn't have much time to play in the last few weeks. I experienced that Seymour does not miss his first claw attack any more... Why? Or was this actually a bug? (Lilith has to survive the first attack wave, of course...)
I am using the following team. All levels are 130, and all pets are violet. Fenris isn't 130. I have Lilith (orange+4) with Oliver pet, Qing Mao (orange+3)with Albus, Jhu (orange+1) with Fenris, Faceless (Orange +1) with Axel (or can use a blue Mara), and Red Martha (all artifacts maxed and glyphs super powered). I can put Axel on Martha if I want. I have 2 issues. 1. I CANNOT get Martha to get her first skill to be charged after the first laser blast, so Seymour attacks my 2nd character who then dies. 2. I think people should know that Jhu HAS to be in the 3rd position at least. If he is 2nd in the lineup, then blinding Seymour will not be timed right. So anyway, what should I do about my Martha situation? I can put Celeste in the lineup instead of Qing, and she falls in the 2nd spot. She can survive the Seymour slam, but she doesn't do enough damage overall (even if I leave her in the dark form most of the time). I never destroy any of the orbs. Also, I've survived all the way through with a random tank who dies, then Lilith, Jhu, Jorgen, Martha. I fall about 10% short on damage. Again, I also never destroy orbs in this one either. I'm just stuck.
Yeah, it might get tricky if your Martha is too strong. Make sure you don't destroy any of the Orbs in the beginning, because if you happen to destroy one Orb the Laser beam will be significantly weaker. Once Fenris is at level 130 you can blind Seymour when he is going for your 2nd character (like I do at 6:16 in this video: th-cam.com/video/RDT26Ni8gSQ/w-d-xo.htmlm16s ). And then I would try to beat Seymour mostly with directy attacks of Jhu and maybe once you can manage to destroy the Orbs when the red sphere is on in order to trigger Seymour's selfdamage.
3 questions. 1, why not attach Fenris to Keira, since she gets more benefit from what he gives than he does? 2, does attaching other pets to the rest of the party help, or do they only throw off the timing somehow? 3, how do I tell that the Fenris blind proc'd?
1) In principle you are right, but the point is that right in the beginning Seymour needs to be blinded by the 1st basic attack of Jhu and this can only happen when a violet Fenris is attached to Jhu. When Fenris is attached to Keira it will not work, as she has the wrong timing for blinding. 2) Shouldn't be a problem as long as Fenris is attached either to the Hero in the middle (Jhu) or to the Hero in 4th position. 3) When the blinding is successful a cancelled eye will flash near Seymour. In this video it is hardly visible though because I was in the fast forward mode, if you stop the video at 2:09 you might catch a glimpse of it. But it is much easier than that to find out if the blinding was successful: should Seymour miss Lilith ("miss" will flash near Lilith) with his 1st attack with the claw you know that the blinding was successful. - Another possibiltiy is to use a green or higher ranked Cain as the pet for your whole line-up providing Dodge to everyone, once in a while Seymour will miss one of his first two attacks too.
Any chance you could type up your strat here for when you shoot off everybody's attacks? Your voice is a bit hard to follow in that section, especially mid-fight.
I guess it is because at 3:17 I managed to destroy one of the Orbs whereas at 6:23 both Orbs were still active, they seem to supply the Power for Seymour's Special attacks.
Yes, it is because most Heroes in first position have Armor as a first artifact which doesn't help against Seymour's Magic attacks (Laserbeam and Freezing).
This is the Facebook version. When you fail to destroy the Orbs an attack will ensue, if you succeed Seymour will either damage himself (red sphere), heal your team (blue sphere) or lean forward and take 10 times the damage for a certain time (green sphere). In this video I only fail to destroy the Orbs the first time and twice when the blue sphere is on, so you will never see Seymour attacking with the boulder.
I got it.......Seymour can't give much time to destory those Orbs......I am using Martha, Orion, Jhu, Yasmine, Galahad , with 560k power team....I can only manage to destroy one orb........ Still tough to chase him.......Anyway.. Thanks for the Help...
Nice job on Lars :) He is really very strong. I am not sure if it will work to destroy the Outposts/ Orbs of Seymour with the Twins. Maybe it will work with Ziri, Krista, Lars, Faceless, Martha: th-cam.com/video/vfD2ni_xfcA/w-d-xo.htmlm36s
Because when Jhu is blinding Seymour due to Fenris on his first basic attack then Seymour will miss Lilith with his first attack with the fist. If Fenris is attacked to Keira the timing is wrong. If Fenris is attached to a Hero in 4th spot there is the chance that Seymour misses Liltih with his 2nd attack with the fist. So Fenris has either to be attached to the Hero in middle or 4th position :) otherwise I would have loved to attach him to Keira.
@@max__ Thanks for your insight. Look at this battle, Keira doing 249k damage to Astaroth in the second round. I decided to develop Jet after some of your videos apps.facebook.com/mobaheroes?replay_id=1590174322956997413
@@diegoshevek5927 Yeah, nice victory, you have the ideal team against his line-up with K'arkh. And Jet + Sebastian will grant a firework of critical hits, must be a lot of fun to play with your line-up. And Nebula is there too =)
@@max__ I thank the gods he didn't have Nebula in that line-up, my Andvari would've died exposing my Keira. Yes, it's fun to play with that team, need to do 3 more glyph levels to Andvari's Strength and almost 20 to his health. I've left wit few progress his phys. attack and armor penetration glyphs, also his second artifact, but I saw he could kill K'hark when maxed.
How in the world can you take down those outpost so fast? My team is 520k and can sometimes not even kill one of them, let alone 2. So how do you do that?
@@max__ Yeah my Problem was that I never really took a look at what Faceless's first Skill actually does an how powerful it is. The system became very clear then 😉Just need to geht Faceless to Not be oneshot by the fire but that will take some building still
@@max__ Oooh, I just realized from watching your recent video that, Lilith's Devi's Contract artifact when awakens gives magic defense. I totally didn't understand the importance of different kinds of artifacts before. Now I know one way to counter the twins, can be by inserting some one like Lilith with magic defense artifacts into lineup. So much to learn still, and Max you are awesome :)
@@max__ I can also understand why you like Fox in your lineup now, because her artifact awakens armor penetration for the whole team, which would be beneficial for someone like Keira. And I guess that's why putting Keira and Karkh together might not be as good as putting them each in a team that builds around them, that would better compensate and maximize their strengths. For instance Keira and Karkh pair, literally isn't as good as say pairing either one with Nebula, who would give them bonus in attacks anyhow, but without sucking so much effort and resources to build up. I tried very hard to build Ginger as alternative support for your Fox/Facelss, but ultimately, after maxing out, I still cant see Ginger as well of a fit as Fox/Faceless, I will now concede to my efforts, and drop her out of my top lineup. Cheers
@@obstinatejack Yeah, very good. You are making good considerations. It is excatly for the Armor penetration that I would either go for Fox or Qing Mao together with Keira. As a line-up for Ginger, I might consider going for Galahad, Qing Mao, Nebula, Ginger, Dorian (or Jet if their is no Helios in the opposing team).
i dont know what i can do, im using your method but on the first beam Martha doesn't get enough energy to activate her first skill and then boss ends up picking up Kiera and killing her
I keep getting Keira tagged on the pickup slam attack after the first fire laser, and Martha isn't getting energy fast enough to trigger before then. What am I doing wrong? I'm using Jhu and Martha's abilities as fast as I can, but nothing changes.
If it helps, Keira's a few items and some skins away from being maxed out (her stats are all better than yours in everything but armor I think somehow), and I'm using non-max level Cain for teamwide dodge chance.
@@ember3579 I don't know. Martha's energy bar should get full during the first Laser Beam attack of Seymour, does it? Maybe you Martha is too strong, takes less damage and therefore doesn't load up her energy bar fast enough. Alternatively, you could use a violet, level 130 Fenris who could blind Seymour when he goes after Keira, have a look in this video at 6:16: th-cam.com/video/RDT26Ni8gSQ/w-d-xo.htmlm16s
@@max__ That's probably it. Martha's part of my normal A-team, so she's massively jacked compared to yours. Getting Fenris to 130 is gonna take a while.
um i took the pet out and lilith dont seem to move to the front no more and moves the near the back of the party why is that? lilith wont move to the front of the party
The Magic Defence Boost is only active for 9s after activation and doesn't show in the permanent stats. You have to use Martha very quickly in the beginning otherwise Seymour will go after Keira, I mention it in the video at 2:38.
@@max__ Yeah, for me it seems impossible. Martha is just not getting any energy. I cannot do a Keira+Jhu then Martha Faceless. Thats is crazy frustrating
@@JaveliZator Then you will have to use Fenris as your Pet and blind Seymour when he is going after Keira in the beginning. I did a video about that too, have a look at 6:17: th-cam.com/video/RDT26Ni8gSQ/w-d-xo.html
The 2nd attack. I have never had a different attack from Seymour like you show. He always! Always, grabs Lilith once then twice and she's dead. I've restarted this 200 times and get the same results every time. How do you get a different attack from Seymour?
@@davidgraves8678 You need to have a violet Fenris attached to the guy in middle or 2nd to last position. Some (not all!) Heroes in middle or second to last position will blind Seymour once in a while (if you have a violet Fenris attached to them) at the exact right time so that Seymour misses either his 1st or his 2nd attack on Lilith. The two attacks with the bumping fist of Seymour in the beginning are always the same, but it is possible that he misses them when he is blinded or your Heroes dodge. So the other possibility is to play with a green rank or higher Cain as the Pet for the whole line-up like this Lilith gets a Dodge stat. A 72 K Lilith should be perfectly fine. As long as she can survive one of Seymour's attack she will be fine.
@@max__ Thank you for helping me. I have violet Fenris but was attached to Kiera. When I changed it to Jhu I now get the missed attack and will have to get my timing down. It's great to get past the first 20 seconds.
Yeah, difficult. You need either a super strong team (600K+ total Power) that can destroy the Orbs or Outposts everytime, or at least with a high enough individual Magic so that your Heroes won't die anymore. In order to beat Seymour without using Jhu it is probably even necessary to destroy the Orbs the very first time they appear. Eventually, it might probably work with your team. If you don't want to level up until you have a 600K+ team it is much faster I think to get Lilith, Faceless and Jhu and then beat him with Lilith, Elmir, Jhu, Faceless, Martha.
no one is at red rank but taking less powered heroes also defeated Seymour. 3 of the heroes were less than orange!!! You should take just the right heroes for this.
It can be that she is not losing enough Health on the Laser Beam attack of Seymour, she is too strong. You might have to use either Fenris or Cain as the Pet for your whole line-up then, use Fenris when Seymour is trying to hit Keira. Or try to weaken Martha by taking away the Gift of the Elements from her, maybe then she charges in time.
This will not work, I think, because their energy bar will not be loaded when Seymour strikes for the first time with his laser beam. But maybe I am wrong. On the other hand when you use Cornelius or Phobos which Hero will they replace? We need a Tank + heavy Damage Dealer + Jhu + Faceless + Martha so there is no room for another Hero.
@@max__ th-cam.com/video/bJVN58rhwfY/w-d-xo.html it is still possible, but lilith has 2 important roles, indestructable tank and magic defense, only downside is you need a violet fenris for this to work
Do you have a violet Fenris attached to Jhu? Do you use Lilith with a string 1st Artifact? Do you use the excat same Heroes with the exact same stats or better?
Probably yes, but for a lot of Campaign missions it is more helpful to have someone with Armor penetration as a frist Artifact. So I would say using Isaac instead of Jhu makes life easier: Lilith, Keira, Isaac, Faceless, Martha, should work nicely for the whole Campaign. You only need a weak Jhu against Seymour (21K in this video).
@@herowars1503 Isaac or Fox are much better for the Campaign because they fight rather to the back and are therefore not affected by the energy draining Drilling Installations in Chap. 14 & 15. You will not be happy with Qing Mao in Chap. 14 & 15. Furthermore Isaac is doing a good job against Magic damagers, so I would go with Isaac.
Then it gets difficult, but hey, I didn't have him either when I first encountered Seymour. As a 20K Jhu is already sufficient, it is quite easy to get him and level him up a little bit. Have a look at the stats of the Jhu I used at 14:10, it is really very doable.
I just find it so satisfying to see Lilith grow bigger and bigger and gaining so much health.
Max I watched this video couple of times. I think this is the best performance against Seymour! I was just praising you to my guild about your genius in manual attacks!
Thank you Can, I appreciate your praise.
Thanks Max, I was able to defeat Seymour last night using your method🥳 I just wanted to add some stats to help others.
My Lilith needed 13.4K armor to reduce the claw attack damage. If you want to save artifact coins, my Lilith had 5* lvl 100 1st artifact and gave my hero’s plenty of magic defense.
I would add 2 health requirements as well; Faceless probably needs over 80k health to survive (mine was at 109k) and Jhu needed 70k to survive the laser beams. Jhu was a struggle for me for a while because he kept dying before I could activate his first ability. The laser beam comes in 2 waves, and Jhu needs 70k health to survive the first wave and then activate his first ability before the second wave of lasers.
Thanks again 🥳
That's awesome, thanks for sharing.
how did it work for you? i have blind effect on him but Lilith still take full dmg
@@khuephan3376 You need to have a violet Fenris attached to Jhu or using Cain as a Pet for the whole line-up will also work because at some point Lilith will dodge one of the first two claw attacks of Seymour.
@@max__ I have. it blind but not effective
@@khuephan3376 Do you use the exact same team as in the video?
Please advice, in my gadget the last boss is the 13th stage the Shavarack, how to go to 14th and 15th?
On Mobile Chap. 13 is the final chapter. Chapt. 14 and 15 are only on Facebook or in the Webversion.
Excellent! I though I had to have a 200k health Faceless, my Jhu is lvl 130 with 49k power, my Oliver and Fenris are purple, my Martha is Orange+2, my Keira is red with 105k power, so I just have to work on Lilith and a lot her first artifact. Thank you, I thought the devs had put a "min team power" restriction to defeat Seymour.
My Lilith is now ready for combat and I use her in GA. My plan was to beat Seymour with the same team as yours but Lilith is gonna be reworked before I'll become strong enough to stand a chance. What I'll do if this happens is unclear. My Keira was kept being leveled up just against Seymour and for Outland.
Lilith gives me magic defense and keeps inflating herself until... yes, I time out against Seymour. Faceless falls almost instantly with the other three heroes standing for a while. (I'm at TL106 now but I see I'll need at least TL120 to win...)
I'm looking forward to see if it's possible to beat Seymour with the new Lilith or I'll have to find a new layout.
Congratulations for reaching Seymour with Team Level 106. Good Luck, now, get him.
@@max__ I actually reached him about a month (and a half?) ago with my tankless Yasmine team of TL103 and have been working on Lilith (and Keira) since then. Still, this won't be easy because my team is still vulnerable to magic attacks if I can't trigger a Magic Defense buff. Lilith is a good choice to eliminate this weakness but if she's getting nerfed, I fear it won't be possible to beat Seymour without a hero of Red rank or so (which is still far away for all of my heroes).
@@harczymarczy I don't think that Lilith will get nerfed. But you will need a strong Keira to destroy the Outposts.
at 4:45, Seymour does the healing, (836885) not to himself, but to your allies. That's why it shows that seymour heals hope that helps
Yeah, that makes sense, thanks.
TL114, pwr 438346, same team as yours, 1st artifact of Keira is now 6* lvl 95. This is strong enough to make Seymour's Earth attack backfire but I'm still not quite fast enough against the other two elements. However, TL115 should be enough, because Keira gets the Unity of Extremes item by reaching it, yielding +1331 physical attack.
SEYMOUR IS DEAD!!!!! Still at TL115, pwr 449830. 8 seconds left, I let his Fire attack backfire while letting my heroes charge for a last attack, but the latter wasn't needed any more.
I used the same team as yours: Lil/Kei/Jhu/Fac/Mar + Fen. This is also my second team in my top15 GA squad.
I had a fluke with the gifts, yielding me 60 Certificates = 60k Artifact coins = Keira's 2nd artifact at 6* too.
I have a question how low on TL any of you were able to defeat Seymour. TL115 seems to be an important barrier because of the item limits. The campaign is complete with straight 3*s, of course. I dumped all of my resouces, including my strategic reserves, into Keira, yielding 3 L95+ artifacts, 2x6* and 1x5* (the 3rd). As a pure free player, it took me 1 year, 7 months and 2 weeks.
Awesome, congratulations.
Do you have a video of the battle?
It's really awesome how u defeated last boss with the 66 lvl jhu. Btw what do u think about Yasmine? Do u plan on doing a video on her? We would love to see it.
Thank you. We did some testing with Yasmine in our Guild. She is a fun hero to go for, very strong too, she can beat K'arkh and Keira. But we found out that Mage teams with the Twins and especially Helios are hard for her. So she is no overlord Heroine, but interesting. If I went for her I would try to increase her Critical hits by adding Jet and Sebastian, something like Astaroth, Andvari, Yasmine, Sebastian, Jet. Will probably do no video though :/
TL115, pwr 443641. I managed to make Seymour's Fire attack backfire somehow but I'm still not consistent and I never managed to do it twice on one try. Either I succeed or I fail, and Fenris has to blind if Seymour launches his Earth attack.
Hey Max, I have only Astaroth, Jasmine, Celeste, Maya, Orion, Teya, Helios heroes up and selling all other hero stones to get money, it is possible to beat this boss with some of this hero list combos?
Hello Oleg. I am not sure if Yasmine is a big help, maybe it works with Yasmine, but I don't really know. With these Heroes you will need a very strong team, maybe 600K+ total Power. If you want to beat Seymour with less total Power you will need Martha, Faceless and Jhu, maybe you can use Astaroth instead of Lilith if you have a violett Fenris or Cain, but without Martha, Faceless and Jhu it will be very hard. Astaroth, Jhu, Orion, Faceless, Martha might work, but you will need a very strong Astaroth and high Magic Defenses for all Heroes because you don't use Lilith. Here is someone who is using Orion, but she has a very strong team and is also using Nebula who supports Orion.
@@max__ Thanks man! The only way to get Martha is to get event or buy a heroic set, right?
@@oleggrachev2736 The Heroic Chest is not a good idea, she could be in there, but there are a lot of other Heroes too, the chance to get her there is low. You can get her when there is an Event or also with the Lesser Soul Stone Chest (that you get at the 28th of every month, if you logged in daily) you can get her Soul Stones.
Now, still at TL108, I managed to drain ~45% of Seymour's health, even with Keira's early fall. My Keira needs about 50% more health but she's getting sturdy enough to consistently beat at least some Ep14 missions in Auto mode. (The same applies for Ilyssa in Outland.)
Well done, Max. amazing. thanks for sharing good video.
I have a question. I wonder why Jhu and Martha didn't die because of first laser of Seymour. Could you tell me?
Hi, timez, thank you. Martha didn't die because of Lilith's first Artifact and Jhu didn't die because I activated his ultimate as soon as I could.
@@max__ Thank you, Max. I see.
Is hitting the post somehow reduce that first laser. My 4 heroes behind the tank all got wiped instantly with that laser I have a 130 red kiera a 130 orange martha, my kiera had more hp than my martha, because I've almost maxed all the glyph and gifts of elements and artifacts. Still dies with 1 laser. My main tank is Corvus it laster until the timer end but the first 4 just keep dying with that laser. I'm not sure how yours does die wiht that laser, especailly that low level jhu
Yes, if you can destroy the first Outpost in time, the strength of the Laser is reduced. If you have Lilith's 1st Artifact high enough though, it doesn't matter if you destroy the 1st Outpost or not.
TL110, pwr 402258, now Keira is strong enough to survive Seymour's first magic attack... (Lilith has a L85 first artifact, providing +12k magic defense.)
Thank you for video. Here are some question:
I have same team but lilith always die seymor's second attack
- how many attempts did you do ?
- maybe fix bug :)
Welcome, you need to have a violet Fenris attached to Jhu, otherwise it will not work.
@@max__ Thank you. all done :)
R.I.P to the best strategy of all time against Seymour prior to Lilith's rework...
Yep, that's unfortunately true :/
@@max__ Could I ask you an advice on my plan? Beating Seymour for me is a long-term plan; I used Lilith with great enjoyment against Brog (instead of Astaroth), and she was a part of my plan before rework applied. Now I am thinking about other approach in the light of rework changes:
Luther (Oliver) - Alvanor (Axel) - Kai (Merlin) - Thea (Axel) - Lilith (Mara), team pet Merlin.
Is my plan perspective? Could you give approximative number of team power for carrying out this plan?
@@elkr79 Hey, to be honest, I don't really think that your team will work. The easiest might be to use Keira + Jhu or Orion. But now with Lilith's rework, they probably need to be a lot more levelled up. Maybe Astaroth, Orion, Faceless, Thea (she has Magic Defense as 1st Artifact), Martha would work.
@@max__ Thank you very much for your video. I followed your lead and defeated Seymour back in June, with a team level of 127 and power level of less than 300k. My goal was to defeat him at less than level 130. I don't know if anyone else has done that pre-Asgard. Thanks again, and here's the video. I was going to edit it, but... th-cam.com/video/GCMIkl01mis/w-d-xo.html
@@elkr79 Hello. I used Max's line-up when I first defeated Seymour, but then won again using the same team, except with Astaroth as the tank. It is necessary to make the heroes more resistant to magic attack, which should be easier now with Asgard.
Here is the video of that battle, with stats at the end. th-cam.com/video/M5uQzBCrBjw/w-d-xo.html
Lilith is gonna be improved and re-positioned. This implies that Seymour may be more difficult to beat in the future. You just need a ton of magic defense and/or health to withstand his first Fire attack since Astaroth can only resurrect one hero. Ast/May/etc. may do the trick but probably not with less than 300k power. I did the battle twice more for the quest by hand but that was it, of course, and Santa brought me the Golden Ticket (a big convenience).
Wow, in which position will she be after the improvement?
@@max__ Somewhere between Cornelius and Martha.
@@harczymarczy Omg! Let me know when this is happening, okay? Please make a comment here once they repositioned her because I stopped playing the Game I wouldn't notice it otherwise.
@@max__ It did happen, and it happened today.
In the same team formation, Seymour's claw attack attacks Keira instead of Lilith, so it does not look like the video.
same that keeps happening for me, he attacks kiera all the time
Thank you for video. Here are some question:
1. How much damage can Rufus` first skill defend from Seymour` magical attack?
2. Can Jhu be put at the tanker? Before Seymour give you physical attack, I activate Jhu`s first skill which seems to make Jhu undead during 6 minutes.
Welcome.
1. A fully maxed Rufus can block a little bit over 320K Magical damage
(hero-wars.ji7.ru/heroes/42/BkzJmTQUt7-CgoKCyyyyy888 ). I don't think that this alone would be enough to save your Heroes from Seymour's 1st Laser Beam attack, but may be helpful. 2. Will be very hard. A fully maxed Jhu has 646K Health but only 7'200K Armor
(hero-wars.ji7.ru/heroes/37/BkzJmTQUt7-CgoKCyyyyy8888 ). A Jorgen with 420K Health and 7'300K Armor dies on the 1st Claw attack of Seymour. You will not be able to use Jhu's 1st Skill upon the very first attack with the Claw of Seymour.
@@max__ Thank you. Looking forward to your second battle against Seymour.
@@max__ I have noticed you had invested a lot on Aurora. Can she dodge the physical attack from Seymour? Another interesting thing, can Yasumine in her first skill being activated avoid the physical attack from Seymour?
@@meiraiseki4293 Just tested it for you. It works, once in a while Aurora is dodging the very first physical attack with the Claw of Seymour. This means also Yasmine can dodge Seymour's physical attack in her normal form and even better when her 1st Skill is activated as the dodge is increased while she is in stealth mode.
@@max__ I will try putting Yasmine on the tank`s position against Seymour, which will be funny. Thank you very much for testing.
Can this team do well if you switch out Keira for another hero that doesn't require a Winter Skin?
I guess it will also work with another damage dealer than Keira, maybe with Qing Mao or Dark Star, but it might be that they have to be more levelled up than Keira in order to defeat the Outposts in time. It does work with K'arkh instead of Keira, but here also I am not sure how much levelled up K'arkh is required to be.
@@max__ I just finally leveled up K'arkh to near max (missing one star on his Agility Ring,) and I go set the fight with Seymour to only find out that he GOES IN FRONT OF HER!!!! LOL I can't believe all of that for nothing. Didn't survive first 2 attacks since I could not get enough energy in time. Do you have any other suggestions for lots of attacks and damage other than Keira?
@@christopherdoyle8081 Oh bugger, *facepalm*. I didn't think of that. Now you probably want to go with another tank, maybe Astaroth or Ziri: th-cam.com/video/B6wZpBvmqxs/w-d-xo.htmlm47s Or maybe it could still work if you added Cain as a Pet to your line-up, so K'arkh will dodge one of the 2 attacks of Seymour once in a while. Don't give up too early, there might be a way. So you have K'arkh, Lilith, Jhu, Faceless, Martha as your team at the moment? If you assign a violet Fenris to Jhu, Jhu will blind Seymour once in a while with his basic attack which will make him miss one of his first two attacks with his Claw on K'arkh.
Got Fenrir to 130, and made several attempts. A few thoughts. 1, if you get Lilith strong enough she can facetank two slams even without Seymour blinded, so that can help. 2, my Martha is too strong to get enough energy for allowing Keira to dodge that first slam, so be careful about overleveling her for you. 3, I don't know if it's timing or what, but attempting to use Fenrir's ability to blind the Keira slam isn't working. Help?
1) Yes, I agree, if Lilith can survive the two blows of Seymour in the beginning on her own it helps a lot. 2) If Martha is too strong for her to load her energy bar quickly by getting hit it is not that big a problem. 3) Trigger Fenris when Seymour is throwing her into the air and she has reached the highest point have a look at 6.15 in this video: th-cam.com/video/RDT26Ni8gSQ/w-d-xo.htmlm15s
@@max__ Tried some more, and Martha's ult uptime just simply isn't enough to be able to kill this prick. I miss the threshold on too many red orbs. I could probably get somewhere if I just jam ultra-hard on everyone else's DPS, but that's gonna take months. Any suggestions to hopefully avert that?
@@ember3579 You use Faceless too, right?
Max, thanks for all the input. My real question would be If you were to begin all over in new server, which heroes would you take to red, orange, violet to help with outland, campaign and adventure. for GW and arena dont really matter for me now as i want to get titan soul shop open before picking heroes for GW arena and grand arena,
Lilith, Keira, Isaac, Faceless, Martha + Andvari and Jorgen (for adventures) + Sebastian (he is very useful against many teams due to his effect negating 1st Skill) + a weak Jhu + Jet (as a combo with Sebstian) + Nebula if you want (sometimes she is very strong with special Daily Buffs for Healers and/ or Support in Adventures). Main team for Arena and Guild Wars would then be: Andvari, Keira, Nebula (or Isaac against Mages), Sebastian, Jet.
I am not really a specialist for Outland, against Brog you might need Orion (together with Faceless and Jorgen).
Helios would also be useful if you still have resources to level him up, whenever you are up against Yasmine.
And of course Lian is a great stopper against an adversary Keira and also reinforcing your Magic Power (especially useful for adventures, you will be popular among your Guildmates if you have Physical and Magic Power).
So let me see, hey, that's 14 Heroes already. As Hero number 15 I would go for Celeste (she is very strong and useful and will make great combinations with the other Mages I already mentioned (Faceless, Orion, Helios, Jorgen, Lian). Okay, a levelled up but otherwise weakish Dorian, might also come in handy.
So that's that.
Was just checking, with this recommendation you will have great teams in Outland against Brog and Ilyssa, but against Vadjar it will probably get difficult as from the above selection only Andvari and Nebula qualify to fight against Vadjar. But in the Campaign and in Adventures you will do great :D
Hmm, it seems I saved a standard answer to your question some time back. My answer back then was:
"Okay. Main attackers: Keira (physical), Orion (magical). Important support Heroes: Jorgen, Nebula, Sebastian (also counter Hero against Jorgen), Isaac (counter against Mages). Important Counter Heroes: Andvari (against K'arkh), Helios (against Yasmine). Additional very important Heroes: Martha, Faceless, Jet, Dorian. Tanks: Galahad or Aurora, choose Galahad if you like to play mostly with Keira, choose Aurora if you like to play mostly with Orion. As a second Tank go for Lilith (you will need her against the final End Boss in the Campaign, Seymour). Support attacker for Keira: Qing Mao. And Hero no. 16 would be Jhu (very useful against Bosses in the Campaign and in Adventures and especially against Seymour)."
Makes sense also + a lot of congruency with my current answer.
@@max__ hey thanks man.
TL112, I didn't have much time to play in the last few weeks. I experienced that Seymour does not miss his first claw attack any more... Why? Or was this actually a bug? (Lilith has to survive the first attack wave, of course...)
He only misses either his first or second attack once in a while if you have a Level 130 Fenris attached with the right guy in your team.
The repositioning of Lilith did happen and it happened today.
Thanks for letting me know. Oh boy, this means that the method to beat Seymour in this video will not work anymore, bummer.
I am using the following team. All levels are 130, and all pets are violet. Fenris isn't 130. I have Lilith (orange+4) with Oliver pet, Qing Mao (orange+3)with Albus, Jhu (orange+1) with Fenris, Faceless (Orange +1) with Axel (or can use a blue Mara), and Red Martha (all artifacts maxed and glyphs super powered). I can put Axel on Martha if I want. I have 2 issues. 1. I CANNOT get Martha to get her first skill to be charged after the first laser blast, so Seymour attacks my 2nd character who then dies. 2. I think people should know that Jhu HAS to be in the 3rd position at least. If he is 2nd in the lineup, then blinding Seymour will not be timed right. So anyway, what should I do about my Martha situation? I can put Celeste in the lineup instead of Qing, and she falls in the 2nd spot. She can survive the Seymour slam, but she doesn't do enough damage overall (even if I leave her in the dark form most of the time). I never destroy any of the orbs.
Also, I've survived all the way through with a random tank who dies, then Lilith, Jhu, Jorgen, Martha. I fall about 10% short on damage. Again, I also never destroy orbs in this one either. I'm just stuck.
Yeah, it might get tricky if your Martha is too strong. Make sure you don't destroy any of the Orbs in the beginning, because if you happen to destroy one Orb the Laser beam will be significantly weaker. Once Fenris is at level 130 you can blind Seymour when he is going for your 2nd character (like I do at 6:16 in this video: th-cam.com/video/RDT26Ni8gSQ/w-d-xo.htmlm16s ). And then I would try to beat Seymour mostly with directy attacks of Jhu and maybe once you can manage to destroy the Orbs when the red sphere is on in order to trigger Seymour's selfdamage.
3 questions. 1, why not attach Fenris to Keira, since she gets more benefit from what he gives than he does? 2, does attaching other pets to the rest of the party help, or do they only throw off the timing somehow? 3, how do I tell that the Fenris blind proc'd?
1) In principle you are right, but the point is that right in the beginning Seymour needs to be blinded by the 1st basic attack of Jhu and this can only happen when a violet Fenris is attached to Jhu. When Fenris is attached to Keira it will not work, as she has the wrong timing for blinding. 2) Shouldn't be a problem as long as Fenris is attached either to the Hero in the middle (Jhu) or to the Hero in 4th position. 3) When the blinding is successful a cancelled eye will flash near Seymour. In this video it is hardly visible though because I was in the fast forward mode, if you stop the video at 2:09 you might catch a glimpse of it. But it is much easier than that to find out if the blinding was successful: should Seymour miss Lilith ("miss" will flash near Lilith) with his 1st attack with the claw you know that the blinding was successful. - Another possibiltiy is to use a green or higher ranked Cain as the pet for your whole line-up providing Dodge to everyone, once in a while Seymour will miss one of his first two attacks too.
Any chance you could type up your strat here for when you shoot off everybody's attacks? Your voice is a bit hard to follow in that section, especially mid-fight.
Hello, sorry, I don't feel like writing it down. You may want to switch on the subtitles.
3:17 6:23, why did seymour do about double the damage? does his damage increase as fight goes on? Both times lilith had magic defense on
I guess it is because at 3:17 I managed to destroy one of the Orbs whereas at 6:23 both Orbs were still active, they seem to supply the Power for Seymour's Special attacks.
I-ve watched a few videos about defeating seymour, and they never end up using the ultimate ability of the hero in the front
Yes, it is because most Heroes in first position have Armor as a first artifact which doesn't help against Seymour's Magic attacks (Laserbeam and Freezing).
good but i would recomend jhus power to be 104 k this is because he should him self a lot
is it different version of Seymour you are chasing...Bcoz on FB version, seymour attacks are different than what is showing in this video...
This is the Facebook version. When you fail to destroy the Orbs an attack will ensue, if you succeed Seymour will either damage himself (red sphere), heal your team (blue sphere) or lean forward and take 10 times the damage for a certain time (green sphere). In this video I only fail to destroy the Orbs the first time and twice when the blue sphere is on, so you will never see Seymour attacking with the boulder.
I got it.......Seymour can't give much time to destory those Orbs......I am using Martha, Orion, Jhu, Yasmine, Galahad , with 560k power team....I can only manage to destroy one orb........ Still tough to chase him.......Anyway.. Thanks for the Help...
wow very nice job, u have any idea how to beat Seymour with twins ? my lars maxed out 136k+ and still no chance
Nice job on Lars :) He is really very strong. I am not sure if it will work to destroy the Outposts/ Orbs of Seymour with the Twins. Maybe it will work with Ziri, Krista, Lars, Faceless, Martha: th-cam.com/video/vfD2ni_xfcA/w-d-xo.htmlm36s
Faceless for copy martha is maybe the key to destroy the Outposts... just need stronge faceless he always die :)
I was wondering, Fenris on Keira should also work for blinding Seymour, why did you choose Jhu for Fenris?
Because when Jhu is blinding Seymour due to Fenris on his first basic attack then Seymour will miss Lilith with his first attack with the fist. If Fenris is attacked to Keira the timing is wrong. If Fenris is attached to a Hero in 4th spot there is the chance that Seymour misses Liltih with his 2nd attack with the fist. So Fenris has either to be attached to the Hero in middle or 4th position :) otherwise I would have loved to attach him to Keira.
@@max__ Thanks for your insight. Look at this battle, Keira doing 249k damage to Astaroth in the second round. I decided to develop Jet after some of your videos apps.facebook.com/mobaheroes?replay_id=1590174322956997413
@@max__ His K'hark was 116k with Fenris, his Astaroth 93k with Oliver. Mi Keira was 114k with Fenris, Andvari was 88k with Oliver
@@diegoshevek5927 Yeah, nice victory, you have the ideal team against his line-up with K'arkh. And Jet + Sebastian will grant a firework of critical hits, must be a lot of fun to play with your line-up. And Nebula is there too =)
@@max__ I thank the gods he didn't have Nebula in that line-up, my Andvari would've died exposing my Keira. Yes, it's fun to play with that team, need to do 3 more glyph levels to Andvari's Strength and almost 20 to his health. I've left wit few progress his phys. attack and armor penetration glyphs, also his second artifact, but I saw he could kill K'hark when maxed.
How in the world can you take down those outpost so fast? My team is 520k and can sometimes not even kill one of them, let alone 2. So how do you do that?
It is because I use Martha and then let Faceless copy Martha, this generates a lot of extra Speed, check out Martha's first Skill.
@@max__ Yeah my Problem was that I never really took a look at what Faceless's first Skill actually does an how powerful it is. The system became very clear then 😉Just need to geht Faceless to Not be oneshot by the fire but that will take some building still
@@Clipsfromthabong Okay, very good, break a leg!
huh, so faceless's copy of martha's speed up, will stack together huh? that's interesting
Yeah, it is stacking up :)
@@max__ Oooh, I just realized from watching your recent video that, Lilith's Devi's Contract artifact when awakens gives magic defense. I totally didn't understand the importance of different kinds of artifacts before. Now I know one way to counter the twins, can be by inserting some one like Lilith with magic defense artifacts into lineup.
So much to learn still, and Max you are awesome :)
@@max__ I can also understand why you like Fox in your lineup now, because her artifact awakens armor penetration for the whole team, which would be beneficial for someone like Keira. And I guess that's why putting Keira and Karkh together might not be as good as putting them each in a team that builds around them, that would better compensate and maximize their strengths. For instance Keira and Karkh pair, literally isn't as good as say pairing either one with Nebula, who would give them bonus in attacks anyhow, but without sucking so much effort and resources to build up.
I tried very hard to build Ginger as alternative support for your Fox/Facelss, but ultimately, after maxing out, I still cant see Ginger as well of a fit as Fox/Faceless, I will now concede to my efforts, and drop her out of my top lineup. Cheers
@@obstinatejack Yeah, very good. You are making good considerations. It is excatly for the Armor penetration that I would either go for Fox or Qing Mao together with Keira. As a line-up for Ginger, I might consider going for Galahad, Qing Mao, Nebula, Ginger, Dorian (or Jet if their is no Helios in the opposing team).
@@max__ :) i don't regret trying something differently from you, it's just part of price i pay for trying something on my own and learning from it.
i dont know what i can do, im using your method but on the first beam Martha doesn't get enough energy to activate her first skill and then boss ends up picking up Kiera and killing her
Then you will need a Level 130 Fenris, so that you can blind Seymour with Fenris when he is about to hit Keira.
I keep getting Keira tagged on the pickup slam attack after the first fire laser, and Martha isn't getting energy fast enough to trigger before then. What am I doing wrong? I'm using Jhu and Martha's abilities as fast as I can, but nothing changes.
If it helps, Keira's a few items and some skins away from being maxed out (her stats are all better than yours in everything but armor I think somehow), and I'm using non-max level Cain for teamwide dodge chance.
@@ember3579 I don't know. Martha's energy bar should get full during the first Laser Beam attack of Seymour, does it? Maybe you Martha is too strong, takes less damage and therefore doesn't load up her energy bar fast enough. Alternatively, you could use a violet, level 130 Fenris who could blind Seymour when he goes after Keira, have a look in this video at 6:16: th-cam.com/video/RDT26Ni8gSQ/w-d-xo.htmlm16s
@@max__ That's probably it. Martha's part of my normal A-team, so she's massively jacked compared to yours. Getting Fenris to 130 is gonna take a while.
um i took the pet out and lilith dont seem to move to the front no more and moves the near the back of the party why is that? lilith wont move to the front of the party
They repositioned the Character of Lilith to the back on 19th January 2022. The method shown in this video doesn't work anymore, sadly.
Why your stat say Magic Defence 3004 when you have an Artefact at +23k? Its not added to stats?
The Magic Defence Boost is only active for 9s after activation and doesn't show in the permanent stats.
You have to use Martha very quickly in the beginning otherwise Seymour will go after Keira, I mention it in the video at 2:38.
@@max__ Yeah, for me it seems impossible. Martha is just not getting any energy. I cannot do a Keira+Jhu then Martha Faceless. Thats is crazy frustrating
@@JaveliZator Then you will have to use Fenris as your Pet and blind Seymour when he is going after Keira in the beginning. I did a video about that too, have a look at 6:17:
th-cam.com/video/RDT26Ni8gSQ/w-d-xo.html
@@max__ Thanks! Will take a couple months for 130 tough lol
@@JaveliZator Okay, nice, fight, fight, fight.
My Lilith dies every single time. What am I missing?
Does she die on the first attack with the claw of Seymour or on the second?
The 2nd attack. I have never had a different attack from Seymour like you show. He always! Always, grabs Lilith once then twice and she's dead. I've restarted this 200 times and get the same results every time. How do you get a different attack from Seymour?
My Lilith is 72K.
@@davidgraves8678 You need to have a violet Fenris attached to the guy in middle or 2nd to last position. Some (not all!) Heroes in middle or second to last position will blind Seymour once in a while (if you have a violet Fenris attached to them) at the exact right time so that Seymour misses either his 1st or his 2nd attack on Lilith. The two attacks with the bumping fist of Seymour in the beginning are always the same, but it is possible that he misses them when he is blinded or your Heroes dodge. So the other possibility is to play with a green rank or higher Cain as the Pet for the whole line-up like this Lilith gets a Dodge stat.
A 72 K Lilith should be perfectly fine. As long as she can survive one of Seymour's attack she will be fine.
@@max__ Thank you for helping me. I have violet Fenris but was attached to Kiera. When I changed it to Jhu I now get the missed attack and will have to get my timing down. It's great to get past the first 20 seconds.
I have a team of Gallahad, Cornelius, Celeste, Elmir and Marta, all orange +3 and 468k of strength, and I do not know where to improve
Yeah, difficult. You need either a super strong team (600K+ total Power) that can destroy the Orbs or Outposts everytime, or at least with a high enough individual Magic so that your Heroes won't die anymore. In order to beat Seymour without using Jhu it is probably even necessary to destroy the Orbs the very first time they appear. Eventually, it might probably work with your team. If you don't want to level up until you have a 600K+ team it is much faster I think to get Lilith, Faceless and Jhu and then beat him with Lilith, Elmir, Jhu, Faceless, Martha.
Why your Jhu is not level 130 yet... jhu nabula and sebastian is one of the strongest combos in the game.. they even destroyed the lian time out team
I just brought Jhu up for Seymour.
no one is at red rank but taking less powered heroes also defeated Seymour. 3 of the heroes were less than orange!!! You should take just the right heroes for this.
My Martha won't fully charge befor Seymour reaches for my Keira, what am I doing wrong? oO
It can be that she is not losing enough Health on the Laser Beam attack of Seymour, she is too strong. You might have to use either Fenris or Cain as the Pet for your whole line-up then, use Fenris when Seymour is trying to hit Keira. Or try to weaken Martha by taking away the Gift of the Elements from her, maybe then she charges in time.
awsome my lilth is in orange + 4 and olvia in violet + 3 the max i am kimura server 1
Wait, you’re in dracarys and you once had the judge avatar? I think I saw u in the tournament of elements
how about phobo , he also give asrtifact magic defense, also cornelius
This will not work, I think, because their energy bar will not be loaded when Seymour strikes for the first time with his laser beam. But maybe I am wrong. On the other hand when you use Cornelius or Phobos which Hero will they replace? We need a Tank + heavy Damage Dealer + Jhu + Faceless + Martha so there is no room for another Hero.
@@max__ th-cam.com/video/bJVN58rhwfY/w-d-xo.html it is still possible, but lilith has 2 important roles, indestructable tank and magic defense, only downside is you need a violet fenris for this to work
If i am wrong it shows 341,000+ so this is not true
At 1:45 after Fenris has been removed before the start of the battle it shows 268'960.
can you tell me why and how martha is good at healing
Because of her 3rd and 4th Skill.
sry i meant he should heal himself of lot
not sure your vid is really a reference. not workin with me
Do you have a violet Fenris attached to Jhu? Do you use Lilith with a string 1st Artifact? Do you use the excat same Heroes with the exact same stats or better?
what happend to lilith why is she now titan size?
She grows whenever she is using her 1st Skill.
Me cleaver is OP. He is level 75 and has 250,000 health with 34,000 power and violet +2
That is even more than your Jhu
@@buttfart7123 Ok, nice.
can this team be used on all campaign ?
Probably yes, but for a lot of Campaign missions it is more helpful to have someone with Armor penetration as a frist Artifact. So I would say using Isaac instead of Jhu makes life easier: Lilith, Keira, Isaac, Faceless, Martha, should work nicely for the whole Campaign. You only need a weak Jhu against Seymour (21K in this video).
@@max__ lilith xingmao kiera faceless martha ?
@@herowars1503 Isaac or Fox are much better for the Campaign because they fight rather to the back and are therefore not affected by the energy draining Drilling Installations in Chap. 14 & 15. You will not be happy with Qing Mao in Chap. 14 & 15. Furthermore Isaac is doing a good job against Magic damagers, so I would go with Isaac.
my her power total that is a power of 50 heroes is 3, 789,000 or 3 million
That's awesome, wow. Congrats.
um 341k team i see
At 1:45 you see a 268K Team.
What if I don't have Jhu?
Then it gets difficult, but hey, I didn't have him either when I first encountered Seymour. As a 20K Jhu is already sufficient, it is quite easy to get him and level him up a little bit. Have a look at the stats of the Jhu I used at 14:10, it is really very doable.
Your jhu very poor than my jhu🤣
Yes, that's right :)