Debating a 15 year old "Avid" Trump Supporter
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ธ.ค. 2016
- Another one bites the dust? In all serious though he was brave to come on and seemed to be open to changing his view at the end.
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most of the people in chat laughing at the fact he's 15 are probably 16
Wrong!
BaraZulu lol
I'm not laughing at the kid, I'm laughing at Destiny for stooping this low. I'm 15 by the way.
Im actually 17 thank you 💁🏽♀️
John Doe shut up loser
"It's not more expensive it's just less cheap." -15 old 4chan kid
I died when he fuckin said that.
I fucking thought this was a paraphrase.
He obviously meant more expensive but still cheap, stop being obtuse
@@arnar9478 Everyone knows what he meant, stop being obtuse. It's just that it sounds funny.
you mean from the /p/ board from 4chan
He's 15, but I hear full grown adults make these same dumb arguments.
psyjax2 where do you think he got the dumb arguments?
Lo Mein well Destiny said so, a lot of people just parrot their favorite “TH-cam politicians” words. I’m not saying I’m not guilty of it, but it’s just the way people are
"i cant tell you why he made that decision"
*proceeds to stack mountains of assumptions of his thought process*
yup. that's the typical rightard
lol. please kid, you probably can't even differentiate methods and achievements and would swallow up that "list of achievements" that list replacing supreme court with certain judges and withdrawing from NAFTA as achievements. how would you even know when the people he appoint just fked up their job or not? you even followed up "implementing tariffs" with "bring back job". that is enough to determine what is achievement and what is means.
i would LOOOOOOVE to hear his thought on gan control. i bet it's going to fall somewhere along the line of banning gans is stripping people off their rights. lmao. these people are sooo predictable.
@rehecked Philip Lefties like destiny
>like Destiny
oh boy
@rehecked Philip how is destiny a lefty if he's pro capitalist lmao. You use that word but i don't think you know what it means.
Well we have literally come full circle, Destiny is arguing with Children. What a time to be alive.
For real though, cool of you to talk to him same as anyone else.
I find that students in high school/college can SOUND much more eloquent than a lot of adults because they are students and their whole job is to be as eloquent, like if you want to be a successful student, you better know how to write the best sounding papers and stuff
TheNeCafe students also don't have an ego and think they know everything.
When did he ever argue with a child?
I'm sorry, but it bugged the shit out of me that you used the wrong form of "to" twice. In both cases you used "too" when you should have used "to". "Too" means in addition, while "to" is used for expressing motion or direction toward a point, person, place, or thing. Sorry, just had to.
jontron comes to mind
While I don't agree with the 15 year old on everything, I think he deserves credit for at least going out there and challenging himself to see what it is he does believe in and why. A lot of people don't do this until they are in their late 20's or 30's. Keep asking questions, that's the best way to learn from others and grow as a person.
Ok no. He's clearly a Right-winger with the objective of OWNING. This has nothing to do about self-improvement or augmenting one's ability to see other perspectives. These little shits just go around trying to "Debate" other people, without actually knowing any substantial statistics, without knowing plain facts, or without having any amount of life experience. They're not armed with Data or experience, they're armed with the knowledge they attain from Anti-SJW/Feminist Owning vids. This kid it's just a reflection of idiot right-wing, and the mental degradation they exhibit. #ezmode.
@@ayogee2971 he is literally a fucking child
@@2FadeMusic He's a "child" (not really) with piece of shit views, that I doubt will change with time. He sounds like a horrible human being.
I changed my opinion when i was 14 and stop believing ignorant 4chan rhetoric.
@@2FadeMusic hes just a child until u imagine millions of this kid in public schools owning the left-wing kids without destiny's knowledge.
then they grow up and vote trump
"ITS NOT MORE EXPENSIVE, ITS JUST LESS CHEAP" - 15 Y/O HOLY FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
"They count unemployment in a really Jewish way"...yikes
yeah this guy is either cryptofash or a democratic socialist today. not really a middle ground with people like this
hiding wait yeah I didn’t get that either. How are democratic socialists crypto-fascists?
@@audio_dregs hiding is saying that since 2016 this teenager has grown more in his thoughts and opinions and he's either gone deeper into the hole of "cryptofash" from where he was in this debate or he continued being open to listening to actual information and came out of it and would likely be a democratic socialist today. Essentially he's saying someone who espouses ideas like this is either going to infinitely double down on those ideas or wake up and realize holy shit I believed and pushed some really bizarre stuff, they won't just remain in this mileu middle ground of saying really yikes anti-semitic stuff while also being legitimately open to critical discourse. Now I don't necessarily agree with hiding's statement but that's what he is saying not that democratic socialists are anti-semitic :)
@Thomas Dendtler he isn't, he's just another enlightened centrist
PoliteThatsRight ah I see. Thanks for the clear response. Not a lot of actual discourse in TH-cam comment sections these days.
The stream chat on this vid is obnoxious, when I was 15 I wasn't very knowledgeable on tons of things let alone politics. Give the kid some credit for trying to learn more instead of sitting back memeing in streams all day and all night
John Zaidel you must be new to twitch chat if you expect them to not meme and say dumb shit
It seems like people are just easy on people because they are kids. Lol They teach politics in school and about global warming so if you are 15 and dont know basic politics then you are a dumb kid. I do give the kid credit for being brave and learning something new.
kuroichan101 I don't recall learning any US history past WWII in high school or anything about modern politics. It's been a while now but I don't think my first macroeconomics class was until college either.
Jrezky Your school must have had garbage curriculum.
It's been over a decade, I'm more willing to assume I just forgot since I was a crap student at the time. Mainly considering the school district was quite wealthy.
Why I support Trump...
1. I'm 15 and think Ill be rich if I go to college
2. I dont like burning flags.
3. Trump says "you're fired" on TV to celebrities
4. Drain the Swamp sounds like a good idea.
5. Hillary
Rationalization is irrational not liking hillary is a legitimate reason for voting trump, both are sellouts to capitalists though
@@Wiggyam I didn't like her and still voted for her. Simply not liking her is a stupid reason. It's just as valid as "she has an ugly haircut."
@@NeverNude all of the people who called Hillary a hawk and Trump anti intervention probably arent looking at drone strike numbers and troop deployments of tbe last two years and I assume that was a huge contingency based on Trump regularly criticizing foreign entanglement.
Tobias Fünke Why would you ever vote for a candidate you don’t like?
@@alion4574 Because, and I'm not sure if you know this, but the US has what's called "first past the post," leading many like myself voting for someone they don't like.
Speaks more intelligently than half your guests, so why not?
"All these big ass fucking insurance companies..." Clearly
io ULTRA by that metric destiny doesn’t speak intelligently either
DAWG
I had to click with that title
Step up your game bro, I've been clicked for weeks
Had to lose. 2 years of your life must be so miserable
Same
Wait a second, kid says unemployment skyrocketed in 2008... and doesn't get that there was a full financial collapse on a global level. Every country suffered massive unemployment then.
And who was president in 2008? HILLARY CLINTON
what is the great recession? wtf... though i guess good for some of the financial crisis to get explained
Cuz he was 8 dude literally just did not know wtf it was
But Trump put Goldman Sachs in his cabinet. Who got rich as fuck off of the financial collapse? Check. Mate.
@@sebastiann.8980 at that age he should have had some memory of it, it was huge
"It's not more expensive it's just less cheap" 37:50 blew my fucking mind
Haven't had a laugh like that in quite a while.
I lost it dude I cant stop laughing LUL
Well, if you look at the context of what he was saying and the opinion he was expressing it made sense. Even that opinion was flawed.
It didn't the rest of his opinion was ill informed but I can see why he'd make it on its own. But "it's not more expensive, it's just less cheap" is a completely meaningless addition to what he was saying. That being said, I wouldn't judge the kid. When I was 15 I was a dumb fuck. He probably spoke too fast and it came out stupid.
No.
Destiny is 100% correct on the flag issue
Rar Machine it is but people believe free speech should be removed . People shutting down Ben Shapiro or whom ever just for speaking at a campus
ben shapiro is such a powerful debater. sad to see liberal college students so butthurt. we need more people like ben shapiro and destiny in this world. logical arguments.
@@xukiomi destiny fucking hates ben shapiro in every way, not a good person to cite along with him
@@ratchetclank4745 he compared how Destiny and Ben argue, not that they believe in the same thing.
Stickilas but Destiny hates the way Ben argues. Vehemently. You can check it out on this very channel exactly how Destiny disagrees.
Wow, the kid spotted the 2008 recession on the unemplyment graph, get him a medal....
"I love you in the best way a 28 yr old man can love a 15 yr old boy" 😂😂😂
"a really jewish way" whoa there bud.
I thought it was funny. I'm pretty sure it was just a figure of speech that kids use now days.
As a teen, no it’s not. Only racist pos use it
How is this racist? My mom and I always joke about jewish stereotypes such as money or lack thereof. Do explain this to me, so I can be offended properly.
TheNicolombiano77 As someone who is also a teenage that phrase is extremely common. If you find it racist grow thicker skin bud.
@@Joker-tf8xs Actually i looked into that dudes profile, he is so old, he probably needs a group of archeologists to dig his ass up out of bed every day.
Around 36:00 he literally just starts describing a Planned Economy. Like whats part of Communism. I know he's only 15, but an "avid" Trump supporting going full on Stalin is pretty much the funniest thing ever.
A lot of people actually want leftist ideas economically but don't realize it because of leftover red scare rhetoric that exists and is still popular in the public psyche. But once you get them talking about what they would like to see in the economy, all of a sudden they start sounding pretty socialist.
JackgarPrime Probably because socialism is dose-dependent. Some socialist systems are beneficial and would improve our country. But that's a whole different paradigm than the people who think Socialism will work on a nationwide scale despite its horrendous 20th century death toll.
We evolved from primates, not bees or ants or termites; so whenever Socialism has been tried on a large scale (as opposed to a small commune where everyone knows everyone) it ends up with dictators like Mao and Stalin, along with privileged Party kin like the Chavez/Maduro kids who flaunt their incomprehensible wealth on Insta while the majority of their country is starving.
zxy atiywariii “dose dependent socialism” cant exist, socialism is just the workers owning the means of production. no shit a planned economy didn’t work - it’s not going to work again either. you’re trying to make the argument that a planned economy would work even though it hasn’t worked in the past if its “dose dependent?” thats the most incredibly confused understanding of what socialism is i’ve seen yet. socialism is not when the government just goes around and does stuff.
@@zxyatiywariii8 we already have chavez maduro kids though.
@@zxyatiywariii8 Do you still believe this, out of curiosity?
It's nice to hear someone who's willing to listen. That stuff he was saying about flag burning was AIDS, though.
bobx9000 the cabinet picks were painful to listen to
couldn't destiny's argument for the burning of the flag be used for the using of the confederate flag? "It's just a symbol it's not like they are trying to change laws"
TidalCliff it wouldn’t contradict his overall point if that’s what you’re thinking
TidalCliff destiny doesnt wanna make the confederate flag illegal for citizens to own. The gov just shouldn’t be using it as its clearly a racist symbol if u know anything about its history
@@TheChosen1inc a clearly racist symbol to us is a symbol of southern pride to them. there's no winning an argument like this and is stupid to bring up in either way.
When I was 15 I was playing Star Wars Battlefront 2. Not debating politics on the internet. Oh how the times change.
Doc star wars is for commie bastards
Space Boy yea like he has reasons for supporting trump like I do I think he needs to watch his speech but meh I’m not one to get offended and low key what I like about him. However don’t think the kid knows what’s going on or to further express his points
I don't think it's "how the times change". I think it's dependent on the person and their experiences. At 15 you could have just as easily gone online or done something productive, but you chose a mindless activity instead.
iBot i’ll fight you 1v1 on Tatooine, idiot
@@iBot. personally i think playing battlefront 2 is smarter than debating destiny with weak logic and questionable points, but i do think the 15 year old is very brave.
"How old are you"
"Im 15"
I just clicked
Hahahaha, did boy just compared Obamacare to Hitler?
Boyle there is a solid movement of conservatives in my hometown who are pushing for people with concealed carry permits to be able to bring loaded handguns onto flights. The right wing isn’t all that into logic these days...
flights not fights xD @DailyAllowanceOfMemes
@DailyAllowanceOfMemes holy shit you're moron. and no i don't believe for a second you were being sarcastic.
I'd be interested in seeing what 4 years and an econ class did to this kid.
good lord i hope these years havent turned him insane
At leat this kid didn't pretend to know shit when he didn't
replace Debating with Educating please.
VivaLaRazsa this comment should have more likes tbh
You're laughing gents, because deep down, you see this guy as a window to yourself in those dark dark years of idiocy, when we all thought we had everything figured out. And when you look into the darkness, the darkness stares right back.
Oh how it felt to be a normie conservative
@@MrRandomstuff9 it was so fun honestly. aaah to be an edgy internet teenager again
I will forever miss being ignorant
Actually no, I had an educated father thank god.
18:32 "[The flag] covers everything."
21:41 "I'm not gonna say the flag means everything because it doesn't. It's a flag."
This guy has definitely pivoted towards Communism over the past 4 years
which guy?
@@patbonny1175 , yes.
@@DemothHymside okay
I wish we could know
Its good to see Destiny finally decided to pick on someone his own size.
R Lowry literally or intellectually?
Stefano cousin your not very good with jokes bud, are you
oof
Okay... that's funny.
That oof really caught me off guard, fuck ...
"THEY COUNT UNEMPLOYMENT IN A JEWISH WAY!"
WHAT?
"i trust him cause of the apprentice" 😂😂😂😂😂
I fucking love when he's going "well, from this graph you sent me, it looks like unemployment skyrocketed in 2008, do we know what happened there?" like legitimately curious about what happened that year that might have had an effect on the unemployment rate in America, let alone the world. Gee, it would have had to be something like an economic crash to create that many unemployed people. *Finger on chin emoji*
omfg I wish so bad he'd have said 'dude that was the biggest financial crisis in recent history' haha.
He's also 15. He would've been 7 when that happened. Cut him some slack jeez. Let this be a learning opportunity for him and everyone instead of antagonzing the poor lad.
@@Saintzel You should be in favor of all schools having a required critical thinking class then. I guarantee if every teenager in the country was required to take a course that teaches you to form good arguments and actually think instead of memorize information we'd have less stupid fucks like the kid in this video.
Exver 1 The Great Recession shouldn’t be something a 15 year old hasn’t heard of, especially one that is going into a political debate and holding such opinions.
bro i was 9 when 9/11 happened, 10 when we decided to invade Afghanistan, and i still understood the nuance in the arguments of the time. being 7 during the biggest financial crisis since the great depression (before 2020 obviously) is no excuse, it's not that hard to get that red line go down and people lost jobs and homes.
Years later, and that swamp is strong as ever.
So I'm the 15 yearold, now 17 yearold "avid" trump supporter...
What two years can do to a man, jesus fuck.
I don't agree with a single word I said in this debate, but it will haunt me for the rest of eternity.
Was fun though! :)
good for you :)
growth is a painful experience, but don't let that fact stop you from being proud of how you've changed
hope youre 21 now
@@frederickhofmann843 So I'm the 15 year old, then 17 year old, now 21 year old, back to supporting trump...
What four more years can do to a man
"successful businessman"
7 business bankruptcies later
of 400 companies only 7 bankruptcy, pretty good odds.
Arbi Daci there is a lot of holes in this kids argument you could of chosen but that is literally the weakest one trump is a billionaire with 400 companies, 7 of them bankrupting is expected
Good job somehow making me defend trump by putting out the weakest possible argument against him you could of possibly chosen
this dude I only watched up to there then I got bored
1. There is zero evidence Trump is a billionaire.
Trump sues people who estimate his net worth too low. Forbes confirmed that he defrauded his way onto the Forbes list.
Gauging his actual net value is one of the many reasons people want to see his tax returns, and one of the reasons to hide them.
2. The "400 companies" figure comes from him leasing the Trump brand to other companies. The idea is that they benefit from the Trump brand recognition while Trump's family gets a stream of revenue and the ability to exaggerate the size of their empire.
The only part of his business Trump _could_ have exerted real control over, was either his father's real estate, or anything new that he started himself.
Trump relies on his lawyers to defend him in his avalanche of lawsuits, he uses accountants to exploit tax loopholes, he uses ghostwriters to write his books, etc.
Trump subsists on a staff and managers running things for him. Similarly, there is little evidence that he actually contributed anything to the real estate part of his empire.
When Trump actually tried his hand at starting his own businesses, the best he could do was ...make a CASINO unprofitable, and attempt to sell steaks at The Sharper Image.
Bad argument better one would be Trump was the best in losing money from 1980-1990 in the United States
"I don't think I should have to work this all out in my head before I vote. I just think he's the right man for the job."
I know he's 15, and we've all thought retarded fucking shit when we were that age, but oh my fucking god. This has to be one of the most pure representations of everything that's wrong with democracy.
@JustSomeDamnGinger idk why Destiny is debating a 15 year old thats already the first mistake and the second is that hes debating someone with no background knowledge or experience on politics or life. If you ask me Destiny SHOULD go after interesting topics and such
This 15 year old was the most well spoken Trumple I've had on my stream.
by far
Destiny
Agreed, but that's not setting the bar very high. I will applaud his openness when it came to the facts you presented him with.
Got to respect this kid. He was a big enough man to admit that he wasn't smart enough to have all the answers. He was quite open minded too. This is how I imagine the intelligent side of the internet.
> debating a 15 year old
v not having space after mem arrows
As a fellow fifteen year old, I’ve gotta appreciate that he was relatively well spoken and calm. Most boys my age who don’t ignore politics just say “trump values fact over feelings you libtards”. At least this guy has some idea of how to debate properly instead of just repeating stuff he heard from alt right youtubers.
@@MrSucc-qi9ru Is Blaire White part of the alt-right? So far as I know she hasn't avowed any support for the group. The other three definitely have from what I've seen.
@@shanemoody529 I was wrong in labelling Blaire White a far-right person.
@@MrSucc-qi9ru All right thanks for the info. I don't really watch her content so it wouldn't have surprised me if there was stuff I hadn't heard about.
Well spoken calm and hollow
Its like he's repiting what his dad and uncle say... he can't defend any of his ideas
@@adelaidid6 exactly.
This conversation is a testament to the value of stupid questions. That kid was completely ignorant of every topic that was brought up but he asked questions. Actual questions, not bullshit rhetorical ones for the sake of snarky banter. If everyone was as genuine as that kid, the world would be a better place.
The problem is that he is genuine in being ignorant. No matter how much evidence to the contrary of his claims he says, well I FEEL there is evidence that supports me but I just dont know it.
@@TR13400 The OP's comment seems to ignore that if more people were "like this kid" there would be way more trump supporters which is objectively worse for the world.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 yea there is plenty of people that are genuine, honest, and horrible all at the same time. The bar has been set so low for people with these views that as long as they arent completely insane they get credit
It's a child. Shouldn't even be up for criticism unless you're family or considered family. Destiny's approach here is disgusting.
@@phillipoliverholtz9226The kid is putting himself and his views out there. He is young be he's not a little kid. He's 100% allowed to be criticised for things he says. Otherwise how is he ever going to learn? He can't go through his youth never being challanged on his professed beliefs.
In all fairness to both sides.. for 15 I felt like he handled himself pretty well
For 15 yeah, but lets be real he's a fucking kid he doesn't know shit about anything he's talking about and admits as much
He knows more than you if you think that Solodolo.
Raynaud Kid has an average IQ...
Raynaud No... There are 12 year olds writing their doctoral dissertations. Stop acting like age, especially someone as close to an adult as 15, is such a limit.
@@djrocksgaming6255 You're literally making the argument that free will morons make about poor people being able to overcome their environment. Exceptions don't disprove the rule. 15 year old kids are stupid.
i give props for the kid trying to argue his opinions... but this was the most meme-able conversation I have seen in a while. because he wasn't trolling.
Kids got balls to come to Steven of all people to debate. And he sounds not too bad for his age especially.
Cheers kid.
balls yes, smarts ..... he has got a long way to go.
This kid knows 0% about the ACA aka Obamacare
That was a given when he asked what it was, and said he didn't know much about insurance.
@@P33NWA but he knows he hates Obamacare...he didn't know what it was ten minutes before that.
In fairness, people three times his age went on the teevee to explain in careful detail how it was ... impossible to understand ... for Three. Straight. Years.
So from the time he was Twelve to Fifteen years old, some of the most intense opinion-forming years of a person's life, he was inundated with confusing nonsense instead of information.
Can't hold it against him that he came out the other end a bit confused. Okay... a lot confused.
Edit: And it's flipping health insurance. Most ADULTS don't really understand it. Myself included. I only understand what I need to for myself.
44:15 "They count the unemployment in a really jewish way."
What the fuck?
its true in the sense that targeting full employment, as our government has done for decades is a really horrible way to manage an economy. Yey everyone has a job now but nobody can afford to a single-bedroom apartment on walmart wages. Wooooppeeee!!!
He's a fucking dumb BRAT, what did u expect?
They count in yiddish.
For 15 years old, this kid gives me hope. He's thinking, and appears to be open to having his mind changed.
@@nyeusiknowledge4873 Was that dumb? Yes. But who hasnt said dumb cringey shit like that at that age?
Destiny became a Middle School teacher in this debate.
lol
>Agrees not to talk about climate change at the beginning of the discussion
>Talks about climate change for 15 minutes
This was a good discussion Destiny, keep em coming. 22:17 was my favorite part. That was a nice meme.
Reading the title I thought "but why". We'll see :>
Carl M 20 minutes in. Still don't know why.
BECAUSE THIS IS HOW CRINGE DESTINY IS NOW. HE DOESNT EVEN GET THAT HE HIMSELF IS A LIVING MEME.
46 minutes in. Still don't know why.
Funk Monk I stopped watching after 25 minutes. Let me know if there is an ounce of gold hidden away in this pile of poop.
shadowzeal 37:00 gold
I'm a health insurance consultant and I was cringing so hard when he talked about health insurance.
The reason premiums increased for the ACA is because of regulatory circumvention. Specifically, dialysis providers have been getting ESRD patients to sign up for the ACA because the reimbursement rate is 3x higher compared to medicare/medicaid. The premiums increased because the risk pool changed due to the extremely sick patients who are supposed to be on medicare/medicaid.
glad to see destiny finally realized he has to punch at his own weight class
Perseph I love destiny but this is a good meme haha
That weight lifting analogy was nice
I never understood how accruing ridiculously large amounts of debt is considered being a good business man. I thought we agreed that all of them lot should go to to jail when it crashed the global market?
You know hillary accumilated 1.3 million in a year...business men and women lose money and get money highs and lows its that simple every good businesman has got into debt
This kid actually sounds pretty smart for his age. he didn't do a bad job
Lingboysc2 He "sounds smart". He isn't tho
Lingboysc2 No...no
Jacob Darenberg No...no
It seems like people are just easy on people because they are kids. Lol They teach politics in school and about global warming so if you are 15 and dont know basic politics and about global warming then you are a dumb kid. Especially 15 yr olds are generally in highschoolso you should already know how to cite some stuff. I do give the kid credit for being brave and learning something new.
Wolf23 Yu He's a middle class white kid with a college fund. I think you're giving him too much credit, if he didn't even know the stuff he did he would have to be braindead.
Actually smarter than most people he brings on
definitely. remember the incest debate? that was so hard to watch.
How great would it be to have this debate updated, Destiny talking to this kid and having this discussion today AFTER he experienced a term under Trump, I assume has gone on to College and been exposed to so many more avenues of information and people and such....and see what this kid thinks as we face another election with Trump. I love that this know d was open to learning more and thankful when Destiny introduced him to the truth behind some of his arguments and ideology.
Id really like to see how this kid has developed and what he thinks now.
Lol this debate has not aged well for the trump supporters.
Listening in 2020 so hindsight is 20/20 literally, but I lol'd at him saying he likes the Mad Dog Maddox cabinet pick. How'd that work out?
" It's not more expensive it's just more cheap."
Annnnd I'm done
"It's not more expensive, it's just less cheap".
Just your friendly reminder that death is the final destination of the human condition and that nothing is sacred. You're welcome.
Guys let it sink in that he's 15 before talking smack. He may be wrong but at least he doesn't carry himself like a rambling crybaby like most Skeptics
"So you agree that you're wrong?"
"WELL THAT'S THE IRONY OF IT"
He’s filling the swamp with more swamp people
fucking lol
This is America in a nutshell. Shockingly, most people's political opinions don't evolve much farther than this 15 year old's.
This is probably the funniest video to date
Eldar K damn I started with this one
I was a Trump supporter at that time, only I was 13-14 rather than 15. I'm so fucking happy that I didn't have a presence on the internet back then.
I'm happy I got out of the Trump cult and became a crazy leftie 😜
I was 14 and i was a straight up nazi back then. Time really changes people lmao
@@doggerlander Yep! I'm thankful it changed me for the better
I stopped at 15 yo
The patience of this man is golden. Good on him for taking the time to try and explain things out for this kid.
This is it boys, the debate we’ve all been waiting for.
Not expensive
JuST LeSs cHEaP
holy shit this guys is on stream right now!!
PogU TRUE
Destiny needs to see what this kid thinks now in 2022
A 15 year old talking about the unemployment rate skyrocketing in 2008 without instantly knowing why thats happened is pure gold.
I'm not saying he should know why or what happened there, but it is just so cute to me, the 30y old boomer
"there should be limits on automation" wow
he's definitely 15
Jordan G
Why shouldn't there be limits? It is somewhat a slippery slope. What if we let automation take over service jobs? When does it go too far? Im 16 so maybe im retarded. Please educate me if im wrong.
"When does it go too far?" quote: ... Like never, thats the goals... to get rid of every unpleasent job.
The Great Shredman It never will. Automation will cease the need for human labor, and consequently allow us to focus on higher skills and studies.
But how many people are going to be able to actually reach those higher skills and studies? There are literal retards that can't learn certain things, or they just having a learning disability and they can't reach the level that is needed. Do we just put them on welfare, a care home or put them down? Last one was pretty hyberbolic, obviously, I couldn't really think of anything else.
Not to try and make a perfectly equal society where everyone gets the same regardless of intelligence and qualifications, just I don't feel like those who can't learn the higher skills that would be required to get jobs should be either A) unemployed and having their lives payed for by those who reached those higher levels or B) left out of society. That was kind of a strawman, since I did say what you could be thinking- but it helps me get my idea across I think, and I don't mean to set you up with a certain argument to then debate that. Not too sure what to do with them if we didn't keep some form of job that was lower level for humans to do. Though their might be some jobs that automation just can't take from humans, seems unlikely though.
Will machines do that? For starters we see machines taking on more complex tasks in transport, medicine and financial advise. If anything jobs where robotics would be too expensive or harder to make like bots that can unload a truck at any given time and operate any machine to help unload wouldn't be built or would be delayed cause why do it when you have such a large cheap labor pool? I don't see humanity studying further when computers could compare, test and come to an answer faster and more efficiently. Plus once computers come to that point we would just have several competing computers tasked with either the same or different tasks and they could look at each other's work. See I think factories will return to the U.S. but not the way it was before. Instead less unskilled workers and nearly an extinct white collar workforce. Because again an engineer or accountant has way more pay and benefits than a factory worker. So when these "jobs" come back since the whole world would treat robot tech like everything else something of trade secrets and being the next best thing, cheap factories will be slapped together and they'll hire cheap workers and use programs for the rest of the work.
His parents obviously love their kid so much. I would be ashamed if my kid had the opinion to not want to help those less fortunate than him. I would have a kid and raise them to make the world a better place, not be so coldhearted towards his fellow humans.
Hey destiny, do you think its possible for you to release these types of videos as podcasts and put them on itunes?
This boy is really open to new ideas, it really gives me hope for the future! the way he just gives in on arguments shows that he isnt delusional to everything.
It's not about taxing the middle class so working class people can afford healthcare, it's about taxing the wealthiest 1%, closing the carried interest loophole, ending corporate welfare. For example the Walton family alone gets about 6.2 billion dollars a year in government assistance benefits for their low wage employee's in the form of food stamps, subsidized housing and Medicaid.
I love Destiny's passion for data. Thanks for having these fact based arguments man. Remember to try and lower your heart rate once in a while. This shit seems stressful.
"we only have 2 cars"
This reminds me of something I saw on Reddit. Someone did an AMA about being a Trump supporter but was avoiding all the tough questions. Turns out this person was 16 and going through their “I’m very smart” phase. They were literally 12 when Trump got elected, if that gives perceptive on how much they actually understood.
D'aww. This 15 year old was doing a better job than your average Trumple until the 38 minute mark. "I don't think it's more expensive. I think it's less cheap." Bless him, must be getting tired.
yea even though most of his arguments were shut down by destiny, you have to admit he is smarter than the average 15 yr old. very impressive.
“Learn not to be total dogshit poor”
Wow.
"Alright, so this is going to sound a little bit like a cop out, and it very well may be"
TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 “I’m an avid Trump supporter.”
0:57 Climate change
15:32 Flag burning and free speech
25:51 Draining the swamp, Trump’s cabinet
33:01 Outsourcing, automation and standards of living
43:35 Unemployment
49:36 How policies affect markets
53:40 “Every intelligent person on the left and right knows those jobs are never coming back.”
55:44 What Trump has walked back on
56:33 Affordable Care Act (part 1)
58:56 “Why should the middle class pay for the lower class?”
1:02:01 Affordable Care Act (part 2)
1:03:16 Are poor people just lazy?
1:09:02 Affordable Care Act (part 3)
1:20:46 Trump’s personal attacks and tweets
1:27:48 Wrap-up
"its not more expensive to make, its just less cheap" 37:40
compared to many grown ups, this kid seems quite reachable. definitely not too far gone
the kids argument for free speech basically amounts to this: If I had a picture of this 15 year old kid and I took a shit on the picture he somehow believes that equates to actually taking a shit on him. The flag and the picture are just symbols. They're not the actual thing. They're just representations of the thing.
This is like watching LeBron James play basketball against a fish
2 years later can we get an update debate with this kid? Lol
49:30 i liked this response from des.
I wouldn't write anyone off automatically due to their age, but on the subject of politics, when a 15 year old says " I think", it usually means " my dad thinks". Js
Lmao that shit is so real
Employment Outcomes: Does the Minimum Wage Hurt Small Businesses?
Despite the fact that contemporary economic research casts a long shadow of doubt on the contention that moderate minimum wage increases cause job losses, opponents still lead with this argument. This so-called “disemployment” argument is particularly difficult to maintain given two relatively recent developments in the history of minimum wages. First, the quality of empirical minimum wage research rose steeply over the last decade, due largely to economists’ ability to conduct pseudo-experiments 3. Such experiments, rare in empirical economics, typically utilize the fact that numerous states (12 as of today) have raised their minimum wage above that of the federal level. This variation between states gives researchers a chance to isolate the impact of the wage change and test its impact on employment and other relevant outcomes. As stressed in the Card and Krueger book cited above, these studies reveal employment elasticities that hover about zero, i.e., they solidly reject the conventional hypothesis that any increase in the minimum wage leads to job losses among affected workers.
Second, following the most recent increase legislated in 1996, the low-wage labor market performed better than it had in decades. The fact that the employment and earnings opportunities of low-wage workers grew so quickly following that increase continues to pose a daunting challenge to those who still maintain that minimum wage increases hurt their intended beneficiaries.
Recently, the Fiscal Policy Institute (FPI) released a study of the impact of higher minimum wages on small businesses 4. Their analysis focuses on various outcomes for businesses with less than 50 employees, comparing these outcomes between states with minimum wages above the Federal level and those at the Federal level. If the theory that higher minimum wages hurt smal
l businesses is correct, then we would expect there to be less growth in such enterprises in states with higher minimum wages. In fact, as shown in Figure 5, the opposite is the case.
• Between 1998 and 2001, the number of small business establishments grew twice as quickly in states with higher minimum wages (3.1% vs. 1.6%).
• Employment grew 1.5% more quickly in high minimum wage states.
• Annual and average payroll growth was also faster in higher minimum wage states.
poo shoveler
You can totally tell that this kid is just echoing the shit he hears from the people of influence in his life. I actually gotta credit the kid for actively listening and having an honest conversation! He’s light years beyond No Bullshit and Roaming Millennial in that regard.
Just me or should destiny check back in with this kid now
"The flag is always gonna mean the United states, you can't amend the flag."
Yup, the flag and all 50 of its stars are timeless.
I thought it was a meme when I saw "15 year old" I almost felt sad when I realized it wasn't.
He clearly has an opinion but like most at 15 couldn't be bothered to challenge his ideas or gain new knowledge. If his parents are paying basically out of pocket for their healthcare it means they probably make too much money to get any rebate. Living with my parents I never got any form of student aid for school or healthcare rebates from the ACA because they made like 100k+ each and I didn't even have a college fund. So to say his family is just making it and barely getting by comfortably and stuff just goes to show he doesn't have a clue. His parents may be completely financially illiterate themselves and throwing nearly all of their money away but I doubt it.
I'm so curious what this kid thinks now that he's had to live with this presidency for the last 3.5 years
"He was on the Apprentice, this alone is why I trust him to do a good job"
13:40 I think a comparable concept to describe this would be titration, in the sense that when something is added to the system it may not be seen immediately but after that one drop (if you've taken that chemistry class that did the drop to turn the liquid into a different color) then the system changes drastically. I don't know can someone refine this thought?
"1996? We're going back 20 years, dog?"