Physicians’ association/union don’t want to reduce their slice of the money/billing pie in order for NPs to bill the province. Often, you don’t need a doctor because a NP will provide appropriate care.
Bringing in nurse practitioners in out of the cold and allow them to run provincially-insured clinics could be a fantastic way to alleviate pressure from the hospital system in Alberta.
Although I'm no longer residing in AB, (I spent 55 years of my life in AB), I definitely am not opposed to a NP and would definitely have one as my primary care provider as some of the best care iv received are from a NP. I do NOT agree with a fee being charged to a patient. I understand why they have to charge as they can't get paid for their services otherwise. I now reside in a province where NP practice and are part of the primary care community and DO get paid by the government for their medical services provided to their patients. In fact when a person signs up for a doctor they are assigned a NP or MD. Its great!! Absolutely mind boggling to me why the government wouldnt support a NP to help alleviate the shortage, why train them but not support them.
You're forgetting what they pay in taxes so their care is " free". Look at the state of care getting a specialist, dentist, ambulance, etc. It's a train wreck.
It would be great if the plan was to reduce costs. NP's don't charge as much as doctors (though I'm betting a clinic might cost close to the same to operate). Another plus to what she is doing in this story is that she isn't under any cap for services provided in a day. She can see as many patients as walk through her door. Plus Plus - lower cost care with unlimited throughput. But if she becomes covered under the government system - all that changes. The governing rules are the issue. Modify them to allow doctors to do what's best and I believe the problems across Canada would drop.
@@whackydumdum In short It is hard to believe NP's are not independently covered be you as mentioned. It literally appears that the various Governments involved are not the least bit forward thinking or creative. Plus MD's getting paid with by flat rate daily fees is not in anyone's best interests. The cuts to healthcare started in 1992 for good reason at the time and has been be fixed etc. And instead if paying appropriate Medical Professionals more etc, they could very well get more and more tax cuts. Appropriate Dr's etc etc are a small % of our population and would make near 0% difference in required taxes collected anywhere in Canada
The problem is that if the service is there for someone who CAN pay out of pocket - why is it not there for everyone else? Is there a shortage or is it artificially created by the government (by accident through the rules they created). This case is different in that this might be a good solution to a problem - however if the government can fund it - why not go that route? It's skirting the rules and providing a service that should be paid for by the government. In effect leaving certain people with no option at all and taking resources that should be within their grasp away as a "pay for service".
Canada poaches internationally trained medical graduates to come from poorer countries to provide primary care to Canadians, while we turn a blind eye to Canadian trained NPs who can do much better in their own land. It seems the government has no interest in keeping Universal Health care accessible to all Canadians free of charge. Hence Universal health care remains a myth that many Canadians cannot access in a timely fashion. Many Canadians frequent the US or Mexico and even India for health care, which the government sometimes end up having to reimburse. Still Canadian NPs cannot bill for services in their own homeland. The government seems hell bent on depriving poorer nations of their health care providers. That seems to be the only way for the universal healthcare system to survive.
We have to wait for Smith to make it “her” idea, then she’ll move ahead and get this running. I personally attended appointment with the NP…..she is great, extremely helpful and informative.
They can still have pop-up 'clinics' without charging people. If Danielle Smith created a funded program, the clinics could operate with the nurse practitioners 'without' charging people. Otherwise, this is paving the way for 'better treatment' for rich people, and we can see how well that works for the 'average' person in the USA.
If the rule makers worked with the MD"s things would be better as well. Our medical people are strapped by a system that doesn't allow them to work effectively.
Wasn’t the idea of NP’s to relieve the load of doctors when they started the program 15-20 years ago? Did the expect them to work for free? I believe they were to work in out clinics that could not get doctors to attend there during the doctor shortage of the time. I am bias because I think are overrated. To me they have become high class drug dealers even pushers of drugs. IMO.
Ridiculous. Can we have real doctors please? This is a complete scam upon us. If you thjnk you can replace a medical doctor, then your services should be equal. Things started to go downhill when corporations took over. Remember when your family doctor owned their own practice?
A willing person provides a service for which a willing recipient pays for said service. Wow! What a concept! That has been the basis of the world's economy for millennia. No third parties involved to screw everything up. It drives me crazy that Canadians refuse to understand this. Mind you, the US health care system is also screwed up by third parties. Both systems would work much better if for basic services, we paid directly. For large unexpected financial loses, that is when insurance should kick in. That is how insurance works for everything but healthcare. It is interest how there is no "crises" in homeowners or auto insurance.
Charging people for healthcare is unCanadian. Call it what you want, it's an end run around the Canadian Healthcare Act and it's American style bullshit.
Then lobby the government to fund what she is doing. We need to take control of our system back for the people. We need that medical system working. Every province and territory has the same issue for some reason - we think it's lack of funding. I think it's a broken system of rules that the admins won't change.
@whackydumdum does it matter? Look at Doug Ford siting on 2 billion of allocated health care funding, intentionally starving health care to help his buddies get rich.
CANADA DESPARATELY NEEDS A 2 TIER SYSTEM!! IF A CITIZEN HAS THE FUNDS AND CAN AFFORD TO PAY FOR THE SERVICES, THAT FREES UP THE SYSTEM FOR THOSE THAT CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY FOR IT!! IT IS A NO BRAINER!!! 2 TIER IS THE BEST SYSTEM!!
No, it is not you dolt. That is a first step towards the rich privatizing and monopolizing care and then charging insane fees and rates like in the U.S.
@@OdinOfficialEmcee Ok so if a doctor spends his life training in as many degrees of medical care as possible, opens his whole hospital and makes millions. He is still expected to give you a handout when you did nothing to deserve it. You know Pubic Health Care ain't for Free right?
Canadian economy is going downhill. Seems like even doctors can't even survive anymore. It's not even about charging people for better care that's the illusion. The Canadian dollar is devaluing so much the only way to keep up a lavish lifestyle is to sell a better product.
@@OdinOfficialEmceeLook toward the Europe systems, not the US. Europe has successful two their health care systems. They US system is broken, and shouldn't be emulated. The Europe an system is not. The UK, for example, has two teir health care and their public care is better than Canada's in terms of scope of insured care. Australia has two teir also, if you want more examples.
Nurse practitioners have additional training at the masters level that gives them the knowledge and skills to be able to provide care that is equivalent to some of the care provided by a family physician. For example, they can diagnose some conditions and they can prescribe some medication. Nurse practitioners are licensed and paid by the province in other provinces, such as BC and Ontario. Nurse, practitioners, and physician assistants, fill an important gap in the healthcare system and needs to be part of an integrated healthcare system. An example is Canadian Armed Forces medical system primary care model which provides healthcare to CAF members using a care delivery unit which is a team family physicians, nurse practitioners and physicians assistants
She charges for and administers services that are NOT covered by Ab Healthcare...any other dr..medical group etc charges for these same non covered services. Yes it is a good idea to let NPs take some pressure off drs and let them bill to Ab Healthcare ...but this story is about an Np that charges for services that are already not covered ..same services that Dr's etc charges for as well
Physicians’ association/union don’t want to reduce their slice of the money/billing pie in order for NPs to bill the province. Often, you don’t need a doctor because a NP will provide appropriate care.
Bringing in nurse practitioners in out of the cold and allow them to run provincially-insured clinics could be a fantastic way to alleviate pressure from the hospital system in Alberta.
Although I'm no longer residing in AB, (I spent 55 years of my life in AB), I definitely am not opposed to a NP and would definitely have one as my primary care provider as some of the best care iv received are from a NP. I do NOT agree with a fee being charged to a patient. I understand why they have to charge as they can't get paid for their services otherwise. I now reside in a province where NP practice and are part of the primary care community and DO get paid by the government for their medical services provided to their patients. In fact when a person signs up for a doctor they are assigned a NP or MD. Its great!! Absolutely mind boggling to me why the government wouldnt support a NP to help alleviate the shortage, why train them but not support them.
I am wondering what province you reside in now that covers NP health care? Thank you.
@@erinsewardnot sure about where commenter is but I’m in Saskatchewan and they do
@@TurkReid Thank you! That's wonderful 👏🍀
Those prices are so low compared to the US even with insurance.
Its only primary care, not a specialty, So it's apporx the same as I pay before my deductible is met each year in the US.
You're forgetting what they pay in taxes so their care is " free". Look at the state of care getting a specialist, dentist, ambulance, etc. It's a train wreck.
Are NP’s able to refer patients to specialists ie cardiologists, orthopaedics, paediatrics when necessary or just send back to emergency?
Yes, this is really more of a billing issue than a practice issue.
Great question
Yes, NP's can refer to specialties. 🎉
Yes, they will probably refer alot more patients due to their scant knowledge thust clogging up the specialist system even further
I’d not go to pay for it. I am on AISH. I can’t afford that at all. Glad it ain’t in my city.
Thanks UCP for breaking Alberta health care, Alberta can’t find doctors due to past poor relationships with the UCP
Slippery slope
Last I heard, extra billing of MD's etc etc was illegal. I guess nurse practitioners should now be covered by the National Health Plan - Period
It would be great if the plan was to reduce costs. NP's don't charge as much as doctors (though I'm betting a clinic might cost close to the same to operate). Another plus to what she is doing in this story is that she isn't under any cap for services provided in a day. She can see as many patients as walk through her door. Plus Plus - lower cost care with unlimited throughput.
But if she becomes covered under the government system - all that changes. The governing rules are the issue. Modify them to allow doctors to do what's best and I believe the problems across Canada would drop.
@@whackydumdum In short It is hard to believe NP's are not independently covered be you as mentioned. It literally appears that the various Governments involved are not the least bit forward thinking or creative. Plus MD's getting paid with by flat rate daily fees is not in anyone's best interests. The cuts to healthcare started in 1992 for good reason at the time and has been be fixed etc. And instead if paying appropriate Medical Professionals more etc, they could very well get more and more tax cuts. Appropriate Dr's etc etc are a small % of our population and would make near 0% difference in required taxes collected anywhere in Canada
@@ethimself5064 True. Can we fix it though?
Ya, slam the hammer down@@whackydumdum
Interesting that you find it unbelievable that a person would pay for health care out if pocket.
The problem is that if the service is there for someone who CAN pay out of pocket - why is it not there for everyone else? Is there a shortage or is it artificially created by the government (by accident through the rules they created). This case is different in that this might be a good solution to a problem - however if the government can fund it - why not go that route? It's skirting the rules and providing a service that should be paid for by the government. In effect leaving certain people with no option at all and taking resources that should be within their grasp away as a "pay for service".
Canada poaches internationally trained medical graduates to come from poorer countries to provide primary care to Canadians, while we turn a blind eye to Canadian trained NPs who can do much better in their own land. It seems the government has no interest in keeping Universal Health care accessible to all Canadians free of charge. Hence Universal health care remains a myth that many Canadians cannot access in a timely fashion. Many Canadians frequent the US or Mexico and even India for health care, which the government sometimes end up having to reimburse. Still Canadian NPs cannot bill for services in their own homeland.
The government seems hell bent on depriving poorer nations of their health care providers. That seems to be the only way for the universal healthcare system to survive.
We have to wait for Smith to make it “her” idea, then she’ll move ahead and get this running.
I personally attended appointment with the NP…..she is great, extremely helpful and informative.
You say that like Notley would be better.
@@JohnnyTightlips2007 it’s a simple comment…..no conspiracy here. Have yourself a great day.
Im calling BS close it down!!
On what grounds? It's all perfectly legal. The question isn't why it exists. It's why the service isn't covered by province health insurance.
Stop blocking Qualified Immigrants! Free Trade All of North America and South America.👍🇨🇦
BRICS++ is here.🤔🧐
They can still have pop-up 'clinics' without charging people. If Danielle Smith created a funded program, the clinics could operate with the nurse practitioners 'without' charging people. Otherwise, this is paving the way for 'better treatment' for rich people, and we can see how well that works for the 'average' person in the USA.
Every province and territory should be listening to ideas like that. Good on ya.
SHAME ON THE GOVERNMENT FOR NOT WORKING WITH NURSE PRACTITIONERS!!! I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE AN NP THAN AN MD!!!!!!!!!!!!
If the rule makers worked with the MD"s things would be better as well. Our medical people are strapped by a system that doesn't allow them to work effectively.
Wasn’t the idea of NP’s to relieve the load of doctors when they started the program 15-20 years ago? Did the expect them to work for free? I believe they were to work in out clinics that could not get doctors to attend there during the doctor shortage of the time. I am bias because I think are overrated. To me they have become high class drug dealers even pushers of drugs. IMO.
What’s going on is Daniel Smith and the UCP.
Ridiculous. Can we have real doctors please? This is a complete scam upon us. If you thjnk you can replace a medical doctor, then your services should be equal. Things started to go downhill when corporations took over. Remember when your family doctor owned their own practice?
A willing person provides a service for which a willing recipient pays for said service. Wow! What a concept! That has been the basis of the world's economy for millennia. No third parties involved to screw everything up. It drives me crazy that Canadians refuse to understand this. Mind you, the US health care system is also screwed up by third parties. Both systems would work much better if for basic services, we paid directly. For large unexpected financial loses, that is when insurance should kick in. That is how insurance works for everything but healthcare. It is interest how there is no "crises" in homeowners or auto insurance.
Charging people for healthcare is unCanadian.
Call it what you want, it's an end run around the Canadian Healthcare Act and it's American style bullshit.
Then lobby the government to fund what she is doing. We need to take control of our system back for the people. We need that medical system working. Every province and territory has the same issue for some reason - we think it's lack of funding. I think it's a broken system of rules that the admins won't change.
@whackydumdum does it matter? Look at Doug Ford siting on 2 billion of allocated health care funding, intentionally starving health care to help his buddies get rich.
Similar to Naturopath Dr's? Alberta needs more of both!
🧐🧐 doesnt seem worth it to me
This is the first time ive heard of a nurse working for themselves…
I'd rather pay to see a doctor!
CANADA DESPARATELY NEEDS A 2 TIER SYSTEM!! IF A CITIZEN HAS THE FUNDS AND CAN AFFORD TO PAY FOR THE SERVICES, THAT FREES UP THE SYSTEM FOR THOSE THAT CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY FOR IT!! IT IS A NO BRAINER!!! 2 TIER IS THE BEST SYSTEM!!
No, it is not you dolt. That is a first step towards the rich privatizing and monopolizing care and then charging insane fees and rates like in the U.S.
@@OdinOfficialEmcee Ok so if a doctor spends his life training in as many degrees of medical care as possible, opens his whole hospital and makes millions. He is still expected to give you a handout when you did nothing to deserve it.
You know Pubic Health Care ain't for Free right?
Canadian economy is going downhill. Seems like even doctors can't even survive anymore. It's not even about charging people for better care that's the illusion. The Canadian dollar is devaluing so much the only way to keep up a lavish lifestyle is to sell a better product.
Today, it effectively exists. The second tier is accessed by going to the US. Canadians like to pretend it doesn't exist, however.
@@OdinOfficialEmceeLook toward the Europe systems, not the US. Europe has successful two their health care systems. They US system is broken, and shouldn't be emulated. The Europe an system is not. The UK, for example, has two teir health care and their public care is better than Canada's in terms of scope of insured care. Australia has two teir also, if you want more examples.
When were nurses able to prescribe? This sounds like a scam! Fix health care for all and stop this crap!
Nurse practitioners have additional training at the masters level that gives them the knowledge and skills to be able to provide care that is equivalent to some of the care provided by a family physician. For example, they can diagnose some conditions and they can prescribe some medication. Nurse practitioners are licensed and paid by the province in other provinces, such as BC and Ontario.
Nurse, practitioners, and physician assistants, fill an important gap in the healthcare system and needs to be part of an integrated healthcare system. An example is Canadian Armed Forces medical system primary care model which provides healthcare to CAF members using a care delivery unit which is a team family physicians, nurse practitioners and physicians assistants
I receive better care from my NP in Ontario than my family doctor. OHIP pays NPs
They've been doing this for like 50 years
The country is dying
She charges for and administers services that are NOT covered by Ab Healthcare...any other dr..medical group etc charges for these same non covered services.
Yes it is a good idea to let NPs take some pressure off drs and let them bill to Ab Healthcare ...but this story is about an Np that charges for services that are already not covered ..same services that Dr's etc charges for as well
What’s in a name, eh? Sheesh!
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Id go to the emergency.
Just don't forget to pack food and water, blanket, charger and be ready to spent up to 17 hours in a waiting room
If you go to emerg for a non-urgent issue you'll be triaged to end of the line. It will be a long wait.
It's called " charging a bribe" and they should be criminally charged 🤬 bull 💩