Reimagining Gender Inclusivity in Sports | Jenna Weiner | TEDxUniversityofNevada
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 มี.ค. 2019
- Through her personal story as an athlete, Jenna Weiner invites us to reimagine how sports can be more gender inclusive. Drawing on examples from Ultimate Frisbee and Quidditch, she asks us to question our assumptions and rethink how we view sports. In this profound and heartfelt talk, Jenna calls us to be more gender inclusive so that everyone can fully participate in sports.
Jenna Weiner is a graduate student in Communication Studies - Gender, Race and Identity at the University of Nevada, Reno, having received her undergraduate degree from UC Berkeley. Her research focuses on issues of gender and sports, particularly those affecting transgender, non-binary, and genderqueer athletes. Jenna is best known for her online articles detailing her experiences as a transgender ultimate frisbee player. She is also known on campus for her leadership with the More Than Just Project and Trans at Nevada. Jenna is passionate about education and the equitable inclusion of all people, driving her work as a teacher, advocate, and activist. She considers any bit of progress worthwhile, holding to the tenet that over time smaller, personal change adds up to larger, societal change.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at www.ted.com/tedx
Eliminate the distinction between men and women's sports, then. Co-ed everything - let's see how many women make the cut
FACTS
Exactly. What I always say
Great idea!
It's time people stop thinking with their brains! It's time we go with emotions and feelings...and build a world full of good feelings and a fantasy reality in which everyone is having great feelings all the time! Facts are just bully tactics.
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I really hope this is sarcasm
I know it's been two years, but please tell me you're joking
Let’s imagine a woman transitioning to a man and not complaining when they lose every event.
Exactly
watch em' do this in a few years. the outrage will be so ridiculous, i could only laugh at this state of sports.
You people... 🤦🏾♂️
While I think your plea of inclusiveness is an important goal, there is no question that generally women cannot successfully compete one on one with men. For example the World Record for Men in the 1500m is 24 seconds faster than the Women's World Record. The only way that can be explained is the different physical characteristics of the two genders. And while removal of gonads and replacing testosterone with estrogen can change body conformation going forward, it does not change the skeletal structure formed during male puberty which yields longer long bones with their accompanying longer muscles. Don't get me wrong here Jenna, I think society is only getting started seriously thinking about inclusion of trans and non-binary athletes, and yours is an important voice in that discussion. Thank you so much for sharing your experience
The world has gone insane
Now you know how your grandparents feel when they first heard trap.
Exactly.
Why don't you just make your own team like WOMEN did?
4:00 "Just ask science..."
Uh... PhD in Biochemistry here. And your logical fallacy is cherry picking, have a great day!
This is bs. Larger heart, greater lung capacity, greater bone density and physical strength, longer leaner muscles for reach and stride. Yes, there are some defining differences between men and women in athletic competitions. That is why you hear about all these trans-identified women (men) breaking world records in women's sports but do not hear the same of trans-identified men (women) in men's sports.
FACTS
Science does not agree with you
No, no, no. You're not mixing any "gender" in sports. You're mixing sexes: male and female. Stop the gaslighting and the mantras.
"How dare you disagree with me. That must mean you're a bigot."
Then the sports should rename themselves to “cis-women” sports, or biological categories where they just name sports “lower-testosterone” and “higher-testosterone” where they base the sexes off of how much testosterone is in their body. Some women have naturally high testosterone.
Don’t hate the player hate the game, she didn’t make these rules about sports. That’s that.
@@user-sf9gs2pg1b lol, no woman with "high testosterone" has anywhere near male elite level testosterone levels- not even close
men and women being physiologically different is not an assumption, it’s s fact. fml
Facts don't care about your feelings, TERF.
You talk about A real problem and Base youre fact on Quidich? BS!
once such setup become pro level, and requires the team to pay salary based on team performance, even teammates would demand best performers "regardless gender", which leaning towards no female players. Unless you create a different t set of sports that have better inclusiveness for players and also for audiences than existinf male sports, so it actually generates a good revenue
Sports rules are about ethics and fairness - not about "imagination". Nobody should want ethical creativity. To use such pretentious language which obscures common sense is a wrong starting point.
Imagination isn't reality. So reimagining sounds good on paper, but doesn't really work out in the real world.
I wouldn't even call it imagination. I would call it fantasy. Fantasy is not reality. Reality is not fantasy. Plain and simple.
I got my Labrador fixed and now he competes in toy dog shows! He dominates them in the frisbee competition! Thank you, Ms. Weiner!
They are different ofc men and women and when it come to sports we can separate people bc of race,genetics but it's pointless but gender division is like the main one bc it's so obvious and male advantage is for the most part present so
If it was about participating in the true spirit of sport, they wouldn't mind competing in the men's championships to begin with, but since it's mostly done as an easy way to dominate "some" field (since it's not really "women's sports" anymore), to get the perks that come along, like scholarships, sponsorships as well as fame and false validation with sadistic overtones (since it's done against all others).
He cites the study saying no significant change before and after hormone therapy.... thats the problem right there. you retain the same athletic ability after hormone therapy, ie of a man!.
Peoples safety should override ideoligy.
Maybe you should consider having to choose between changing your gender or playing in sports. Newflash you can't have everything.
NOOOOOOOO LEAVE OUR SPORTS CATEGORY ALONE. WE BIO WOMEN HAVE ENOUGH BATTLES TO FIGHT EVERYDAY. LEAVE OUR SPORTS ALONE.
Trisha Bidesi I understand your struggle, would you make an effort in understanding ours? We just want to play sports,
by excluding trans women from women’s sports you are sending us back to the very male environment we escaped from, it’s like we never transitioned. I’d personally quit sports over that.
On another note; I imagine you take issue w the physical advantage or the locker sharing, consider that by default you will be met w trans men in women’s sports, let me know how u feel about it, I haven’t read any study or a direct comparison but I don’t find trans men to be any less able than trans women, the testosterone level is higher for that matter, they tend to be super ultra fit.
@@B4nd1t_0 Instead of ruining REAL biological women sports. Why not compete against other transgenders. You don't have to ruin women sports. No one is saying you can't be in sports.
Alexandra Muñoz I understand your point but you need to also understand that you have an advantage of them. You at a girl now but it essentially always like that, you were born in the wrong body, you made a transition but at the end even tho you got into the other side, you still have your male body. You have an unfair advantage over them because transition aren’t 100% efficient as it’s more of looks than any other thing. You wanted to be some one of them but you still have some of that man body. You transitioned because our bodies are different but that there is the reason why you need to understand that your body will always be diferente to that of a normal woman and that you have an advantage over them. Pls don’t take this as an attack, I don’t hate trans.
Keep crying, TERF.
Seriously! It is extremely hard to run a 3200 with period cramps attacking me every step...
My 13 year old male is now stronger then me.
Can't wait for the WNBA Trans Athletes to compete.
Slam dunks will spike!
LOL
I don’t care the name u put on it. My son had thicker wrists then me at 13. Bigger feet, bigger hands, now faster swimmer, faster runner. Your bones dint change. Your wrists are the same as a woman? Your feet? Your hands? My son became better at everything at 13. Onset of puberty. Hasn’t sprung up yet. He’s faster and stronger.
Same with brother I remember I used to beat him up all the time when we were younger and he came back from with my dad and dropped me really easily and he became much taller and his voice got deeper I will never fight him again lol
This is not Math, Art or Science....
I’m sorry, but I have to agree. If you already went through male puberty, then you are much stronger than most women. You have a strong advantage over most women in sports.
Just watch a coed sports league and then tell me if you think there is an advantage or not
You are not a woman. You are a trans woman. You are included in society exactly as you are, therefore you can not compete with women. Just like a fysical healthy person can not compete in the paralympics. It is simply common sense.
I feel really sorry for those women that will compete with those men
NO
9:16 What are mens and womens? Are they new genders?
How about we stop thinking that fairness is everybody having the same thing?
TED Talk more like we should just call it ultra left winged indoctrination.
its TEDx, not their better talks and this one will never be.
It depends on the sport. He is ignoring that. Weightlifting and MMA or sprinting etc
As a bare minimum please use the pronouns SHE uses for herself. Thanks.
She acknowledges the impact of hormones, but that is not her point.
@@beckyedmonds4078 Don't force people to entertain delusions. Thanks.
Wrong....
It depends on gender🙇🏽♂️period
/bklyn 👑
I disagree with her, the WFDF rules of being on hormone therapy for at least a year is a good rule. It is needed to make things fair. The mixed division has 7 players on the field, each point one team can call 4 women, 3 men or 3 women, 4 men. I
So it still is important that trans atheletes ars at least one year into doing hormone therapy to keep things fair. And yes Mixed is only suitable for team sports
That Quittich rule about no questions asked about which gender people identify as would be dramatically exploited if quittich was ever played as a serious sport...
2 + 2 = 5, YOU WILL AGREE
Title nine and three quarters HA! That is cool.
The below being said let's have mixed hockey, tackle football, roller derby, boxing,Greco-Roman wrestling, judo, aikido, taekwondo.
Why aren’t woman to man competing? Please bring that up!
Girl... she done used an imaginary sport as an example of "non-binary sports" LOL I cannot with this reach 🤦♀
He..
We have a world level cyclist that is also bringing attention to this. The question of testosterone levels as the benchmark of eligibility is interesting and complicated. The solution of sports fundamentally changing is aspirational... though, perhaps starting with some sports (ultimate and quidditch) is a good start. Our culture focuses on winning so much that we will have a hard time allowing perceived advantages in the name of fairness into the sporting arena. But physical advantage IS the hallmark of sports. The tallest, fastest, strongest often bests most practiced and hardest playing. The real question is... why do we have sports... Anyway, Jenna- good job.
False. If a boy grows long hair and goes out and wins every women's track meet in Connecticut, he has played the system and cheated in order to win a race against girls. The overarching point of sports and competition is winning (fairly); therefore, we put the focus on winning. Therefore, a perceived advantage is not an actual advantage until the long-haired boy blows away all the girls in the 100m or the chick hopped up on testosterone breaks the skull of her female opponent. Strangely, we don't see very many female-to-male transitioners entering the fray in male MMA or rugby or football. Why is that?
OP with the only reasonable comment.
Dude just wants to dunk on women
XY = male
XX = female
...bottom line.
/bklyn 👑
Maybe if the stakes werent so high it wouldn't be a problem but when it comes to scholar ships and money this kind of stuff should not tolerated.
I’m looking at this person and my observation is that Jenna is more man than woman and would be a better natural athlete than the majority of women. It would be unfair to ask cis women to compete as though there was no difference. Maybe create a trans league?
All I can say is your observation is that Jenna is more man than woman is correct because is a man you m....
Who ever let men rock out in woman sports needs to take up a different occupation...and the doctors are the worst ones😂
I'm honestly shocked how genuinely naive some full grown adults can be.
Not to downplay the toll it takes on someone who lives with a gender identity disorder, much less the struggle of someone who undergoes transition, but no matter what, this will be spun as such by some... BUT...
If you are born XY, you are not a woman, will never be a woman regardless of hormone therapy or surgery. You may feel like one, and if that makes you happy, I am happy you have found peace in this life, as it is a long, arduous journey. The facts are, you are still XY. If you are XX and are undergoing hormone therapy to transition, you are just a juiced-up XX. In either case, I see this as a huge mistake in women's athletics.
To disguise your body to accommodate your feelings seems to be a total wash for everything women have worked for to establish their own organizations which they can be competitive. At this point, if this kind of inclusion into "gender-based" sports continues, we may as well just go co-ed.... again, what would the point be?
OleJohnnyTommy well said👏🏽
bklyn/👑
This goes agains any beliefe system thats sane. I cannot agree with this.
Have your own trans sport
The truth is that women cannot compete with men in most sports at the top level. Some of the women's world records are the same as men's records under 18. This is unfair to women, that had no chance in combined competition.
He looks like a really pretty Jesus.
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Weiner *
😂😂😃😃
I disagree with her. Being 1 year on HRT is very important to keep mixed and women's divisions fair.
@@jaybo3687 With HRT your muscles degrade really fast. Sure for everyone hrt works different(effectiveness). In my case it works very well. I am 5 months in and I already am at the same level as my teammates (women teammates). With the same level I mean that I am just as fast as them, to be honest I am not even the fastest. So maybe there should be individual tests to see if HRT did a good job?
@@jaybo3687 height and size avdvantage??? I am 170 cm. Avarage height for women in NL. Broad shoulders and size? Gow does that give me a advantage in Ultimate Frisbee?
@@Lasanke my training partner is a 220 master's world record holder (and top 5 NAS world championship master's athlete) and after at least a year of low test was still pulling over 600 raw
Him*
@@Lasanke It gives you an advantage in everything that requires upper body strength just like the shape of male hips gives an advantage in sprinting. To pretend a transwoman is equally strong and athletic as a biolical woman of the same height and size is either disingenous or outright delusional.
Paise bol ted
okay we cannot use frisbee as an example of biological advantages....
Is that areal last name? Weiner?
I realy feel sorry for her i think she is a good person but this will destroy
Hey, you are so far ahead of most people, they might get catching-up anxiety. Start with step 1, that is so huge.
It’s a new division, like feather weight, heavy weight, male, and female. They just have to understand that they aren’t special. They have a category like all of us do. And isn’t it ironic? “Mrs. Weener”
Wait you were a man before?NO WAY!!!!
This dude has no idea what he’s talking about 😂.
Why can’t we just look at science, history, statistics, or common sense instead of basing how we are gonna format our real world with real world consequences on “feelings”
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Make a new (in between) group in which woman with a high testosterone level and biological male can compete.
It's a dude
Ridiculous.
He said he looks different I've seen beautiful trans chicks he looks like a dude still oh he is
Just to start, you should be referring to Jenna as her.
A men who wants to be a women , is just a coward, a lion doesnt want to be a kitty , is hard to be a lion
This is like a 50 year old woman dressing like she’s twenty and think she’s fooling anyone!
If I could go back in time and join the girls (insert here) sport I would’ve destroyed.