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My take is that, until Ichigo learned the truth and fully accepted him during the Blood War arc, his greatest and longest-lasting rival was White, the inner Hollow. White and Ichigo's relationship actually fulfills the role of a more traditional rivalry quite well - they have their similarities but also a handful of very important differences which make them clash often and thus grow because of each other. It all comes back to the 'King and the Horse' warning speech White gave. He and Ichigo are essentially identical in 'form, ability and power' since they share a body as two parts of the same person, but the irreconcilable difference in their approaches to killer instinct make the two of them resent each other and try to overpower the other. Ichigo is very compassionate and wants to win his fights honorably, meanwhile White, the personification of his deepest darkest instincts, revels in sadistic glee over the destruction of his opponents. Ichigo is frightened by White's savage and brutal nature, so actively fights to suppress him. Meanwhile, White is disgusted by Ichigo's softness and lack of killing intent so fights to overthrow him. They struggle and compete for dominance over Ichigo’s body and inner world because neither will accept playing ‘horse’ to what they view as a bad ‘king’. They both ultimately benefit from and have incentive to take part in this conflict. Whenever Ichigo overcame White, he learns a new lesson about battle from him, and can control a little more of his hollow powers, thus growing as a warrior. He is also constantly pushed to do better because of the subconscious threat that if he is ever too weak to overcome an opponent then White will always be there to bite at his heels. White also benefits from this relationship because since he is the real source of Ichigo's Shinigami powers, whenever Ichigo grows stronger so does he. And every time Ichigo is at death's door and White succeeds in taking over, the suppression of White's full power wanes, which is a process that is embodied by the evolving patterns of Ichigo's mask and the changing forms he takes whenever he goes full hollow.
Hey, Chuck! Have you thought about doing a video on the different Kido spells? In the light novels, it is established that the energy permeating the 3 realms in the Bleach cosmos is called Reimyaku. The Reimyaku in each realm is different. For example, Hueco Mundo's Reimyaku affected Chad into drawing out his Fullbring's true form. And it also provides nourishment for smaller Hollows, so that they don't have to consume actual souls. And that Kido spells like Hado #99 Goryutenmetsu are forbidden because it taps into the Reimyaku of the realm the caster is in. I think it would make a very interesting video! Keep up the great work!
Himself Sure Byakuya, Grimmjow, and Ulqiourra stand out, but the one always fighting against Ichigo was himself. Ichigo was that personified, and every problem Ichigo faces, Ichigo has Ichigo solve it by overcoming himself and his weaknesses.
ulquiorra is actually more like orihime's rival, like sure he was fighting ichigo, but his fight with ichigo is more like an extension of his philosophical fight with orihime
I'd say Renji or Grimmjow. Clearly his rivalry with Renji is a friendly one, but Grimmjow felt like a real dynamic between rivals tht hate each other personally but try to overcome the others strength.
Same those two I consider the rivals for ichigo. Renji was the more friendly, brotherly rivalry while Grimmjow is more of the animalistic rivalry where ur goal is to purely surpass one another. If u want the more intense rival then u go for Grimmjow if u want the more comrade rival then u go for Renji.
@@OTPrOd1gy I'd honestly say that Renji is probably the Yamcha of Bleach. Both of their first encounter with the protag was a fight, both banged the protag friend (Bulma and Rukia) - and in my opinion, Renji was kind of screwed over at times the same way Yamcha was. Both relate with a canine - Yamcha's 'lone wolf' and Renji's 'stray dog'. Also both Yamcha and Renji are insanely underrated characters to their respective franchises.
I’d say that Ichigo’s biggest and most consistent rival IS himself. His internal struggle with White, Zangetsu, and the other aspects of his personality is consistent throughout every ark. Ichigo’s journey is largely about coming to terms with his heritage, and he’s only able to move on to external opponents by overcoming his very real personal demons. Bleach characters are on the whole rather stoic and brooding, so thematically it makes sense that the greatest struggle for the protagonist would be with himself.
Content like this is what makes me realize how much I love bleach. It's the most different out of the big 3. You would never need to make a video about a rival for Naruto or One piece. The way all 3 mangakas looked at DBZ and they all turned out crazy different is amazing!
My picks are: Quincy - Uruyu Soul Reaper - Renji Hollow - Grimmjow I think its a cool idea that Ichigo has a rival in three out of the four races (I don't think any Fullbring has a good traditional rival role, I guess maybe Chad or Ginjo, but neither really fit that role to me) as Ichigo himself is one fourth of all four races it seems fitting he'd have a rival from each race.
Since we're talking about BLEACH shall I say that in a philosophical way his main limitation/enemy/rival was himself....which Kubo executed greatly. Everything but the rain arc was the complete developmental point for Ichigo.
I guess, Old man and White was also rivals to see which metode could protect Ichigo, Old man's atempt to surpass Ichigo's potential to make him less exposed to dangers or White's atempt to make Ichigo overcome himself and grow strong enough to become stronger than those that stand before him (that's atleast what I see at the moment when it comes to them)
Definitely would go for Grimmjow here. They had the most fights together, they still had that comparative relationship in the entire series. Renji had it more so in the start of the series, the first 2 arcs but he chills out over time
His rival is Uryu. There. Both get to fight roughly the elites of the enemy faction of an arc. They often intersect by supporting each other such as against Ulquiorra, Ginjou and Yhwach. I just think that rivals go beyond "I wanna kill/fight you" abd Uryu is more of Ichigo's rival throughout the story in that aspect. Especially since opponents they fight are like a 1-uping relationship.
I think you could probably argue Kenpachi is a rival. Each ark both him and Ichigo get stronger, to the point where him and Ichigo are like the strongest characters in the verse along with Aizen in CFYOW . Plus there is an interesting dichotomy between his selfishness in fighting to Ichigo selflessness.
Before watching the video I'd say that Ichigo is basically the antithesis to almost everyone in the series and that's why there are more people that can be defined as Ichigo's rival. Uryu is the calm and collected person, opposing the extrovert and fast-acting Ichigo. Byakuya is the noble that has everything that wants to keep the significance of laws, no matter the law or the person that is punished, opposing Ichigo, who wants to "destroy" any world in which laws are against his friends or the people that helped him, especially if the law itself has issues. Grimmjow resembles Ichigo more than anyone by character but his cruel manners brought by the fact that he is a hollow represents the point of the rivalry. So the rivalry is mostly flashed as a shinigami vs hollow battle, but the fact that their personalities resemble made it a fight between who will prevail, giving it more significance than a simple fight between a hollow and a shinigami. As seen in the last arc, a world where hollows and shinigamis are not in conflict might be a world where Ichigo and Grimmjow might even get along. Ulquiourra opposes Ichigo when it comes to feelings of love and friendship, fighting in order to convince the other that they are right and to show the despair/kindness of the world. Aizen is for Ichigo what Ichigo was for Byakuya, meaning that Aizen wants to destroy the world as Ichigo knows it. Their rivalry is forced because other than this and the fact that Aizen wants to hurt Ichigo's friends, their fight is pretty much emotionless.
I agree we need the second stage Grimmjow, but the only problem is, I think that was because of the hogyoku, than again it could work like Majin vegeta, by just awakening the full potential of Grimmjow, instead of evolving him like it did with Aizen.
Grimmjow is Ichigo’s mirror. He's literally Ichigo but 𝐅𝐄𝐑𝐀𝐋, two sides of the same coin and they had more fights that made them both grow, so I gotta give it my boy Grimmjow. Also Grimmjow vs Ichigo part 4 would the best thing ever!
Yeah I think you guys nailed it on the head with my beliefs of what a rival is supposed to do is embody some of your beliefs as well as their own beliefs and push you forward but also be relative to the character that their rivaling in strength and/or ideology. For all who wonder I kinda want Uryū to be the main rival but grimmjow is a really good rival so pretty much what the video said.
I definitely like Uryu as the rival/friend Sasuke like character due to the way he starkly contrasts Ichigo. 1. Designs: Ichigo has bright, orange hair with a black kimono while Uryu has has dark blue hair with an all white cloak. 2. Fighting styles: Ichigo is a soul reaper that uses a sword at close range. Uryu is a Quincy who uses a bow at long range. 3. Thought process: Ichigo is very brash and essentially fights straight forward and attempts to over power his opponents. Uryu uses his mind during his fights, constantly analyzing his adversaries moves and creating strategic plans to defeat his opponents.
I mean he's beat everyone who could challenge him power and ideal wise, but now being a parent is going to be his biggest issue. But I would say Aizen or Hollow side would be the biggest rivals. Aizen challenges Ichigo's ideals directly by turning his normal life upside down. Ichigo is fighting for his friends more importantly to live a normal life. Aizen literally and figuratively took that away from him before he was even a fucking blip on the map. Its really impressive. Hollow/White is the inner more obvious struggle Ichigo battles because one day some how White will no longer be the horse and stomp Ichigo head in the dirt after all lol. Great video!
Ichigo doesn't have a rival. Throughout the series he never wanted to be the best. So unlike Yugi, Goku, Naruto, etc. who wanted to be the best of what they do, they need a rival to push them towards their goals. Instead, Ichigo wanted power to protect his friends and family.
I'd say Ichigo has a rival for each arc honestly. Substitute Shinigami Arc - Uryu Souls Society Arc - Renji Arrancar Arc - Grimmjow Fullbring Arc - Ginjo Haven't read TYBW yet but I'm sure there's one there too 😅
I think if the story continues into the new Hell arc and beyond, Aizen will become his rival. He's the only currently known (I'm sure there will be other Hell characters, etc) being currently able to throw down with Ichigo. The main problem is that Kenpachi, Renji, and Grimmjow could all jump full power Ichigo together and they'd still get bodied. Of these, I would say Grimmjow for the currently existing story, as he has no other rivals left (and only sort of saw Ulq. as one). Kenpachi has some rivalry with Byakuya and had one with Unohana. Renji has Byakuya as well. Though honestly, I would say no one at all right now. Ichigo is like anti-Goku. Kenpachi and Grimmjow _want_ to throw down with him again and he keeps noping out. The guy doesn't want rivals, lol.
Vegeta:"Our Rivalry is just me and you Kakarot! Goku:"Idk, Best Buddy, I like having a lot of Rivals at the same time" Vegeta:"How SHAMEFUL! Your a Rivalry CLOWN! A rivalry S1UT!" Goku:"Stop Rivalry shaming me Vegeta" ---instant transmissions away while crying--
When I think of anime rivalries, I think of Goku/Vegeta, Naruto/Sasuke, Deku/Bakugo, etc. For Bleach in this case, I mainly think of Grimmjow for Ichigo
i think you know, find out my friend I haven’t watched your video yet but you’re a good man for keeping Bleach alive. His main rival is none other than you could see it on his face. During the soul society arc … Rukia has a soaking inside of her a piece. Just a piece. And the gigai he made for Rukia overtime would permanently strip her powers he apologized but never explained why. Kubo‘s been holding this back and he’s gonna let it out in the hell arc I bet. Who’s ichigos main rival?? URAHARA.
Ichigo rival is Aizen lol like tbh he was the first villain to get whoop by ichigo and say how could you help soul king like he wasn’t even caring about soul society he just wanted to throw hands with soul king for the seat
My opinion of a rivalry, the pair of characters should be 100% down to sit down and have the most intense arm wrestling contest every time they see each other. Grimjow 100% Renji, I could see the pair do it once in a while for fun, but not quite in the same way as Grimjow
If the answer is anything but "The Gotei 13" idk if i can believe you Lol. Ichigo's "rival" is usually based on whatever setting he's in, but more often than not it's Rivals
Aizen and Ichigo weren't ever actually rivals till the final ark. Through out the whole series it was either Aizen is leagues above or Ichigo is leagues above
If we were to look at "who is Ichigo's main rival" seriously, it's no one outside himself; Ichigo's ✌🏾main✌🏾 rival is Ichigo. Renji was a rival. Ichigo grew up then moved on. Byakuya was a rival. Ichigo grew up then moved on. Grimmjow, Ulquiorra, etc etc....Ichigo grows up, then moves on. ⭐⭐⭐ SPOILER ALERT⭐⭐⭐ A rival is not the equivalent of an antagonist; we can juice it up with shiny adjectives like "main" rival all we want, but it still won't equal a "main" antagonist. A rival is who you encounter that's similar to you in your quest for whatever that reminds you of where you stand and what you need to overcome to get to the next level.....it's not ✌🏾the bad guy✌🏾 Hell more often than not, the rival is neither friend nor enemy. Ichigo was Ichigo's main rival, everyone else was pretty much just obstacles or checkpoints of varying degrees 👌🏾
When it comes to rivals in my opinion it should be the one they wanted to fight and would fight again. Grimmjow is the only one he wanted to fight and I could see going to fight again just for the fight.
The rival Is uryu because there are features appearest for anime's Rivals in uryu, Renji may be More friend. Aizen AND Grimmjow, may be more enemies. Uryu may be as a Sasuke in Bleach, Renji may be as Krilin in Bleach, Aizen may ve as Madara in Bleach, Grimmjow as a pocoro or Freezer In Bleach.
Top choice for me it’s Renji through and through. Uryu I always saw as more of a Piccolo or a Kurama from YuYu Hakusho kind of character. Grimmjow fought Ichigo the most, but once he lost, he simply disappears until halfway into the final arc and barely has any interaction with Ichigo. Kenpachi and Aizen, in a way, were more so checkpoints for gauging Ichigo’s latent power than an actual rival. Renji, on multiple occasions, from engaging Ichigo after learning he entered Seireitei, to learning/achieving Bankai around the same time, the time skip with the Fullbringers, and the Zero Division training/getting their reiatsu boosted by Kirio, new Zapakuto, and training with Ichimonji, Renji’s main goal has to keep up/catch up with Ichigo. Of course, there’s also the minor tropes Renji follows for a rival (romantic interest with the main female character, being used to show a new power set or taking on the main antagonist of an arc to show how powerful said character is, etc.)
Don't think part 4 Grimmjow would work. Despite almost starting a fight with Ichigo in the Quincy Arc deep inside he knew and wanted to be stopped. They're friends now.
This a good upload n question....but we should know one this is ... Aizen cut this MF theme music off ,Grimmjaw was hitting combos at Ichigo face while his girl watch and Renji shot his dad 😭☠️
I wouldn't say ichigo has any "true" rival except maybe himself and to a degree you could also say Zangetsu/Quincy manifestation. but I think when taking narrative into consideration you could say he has "arc rivals" and they are not always the big bad villain which is why people have so many options for what his potential rival is even none at all. Uryu is progression rival, he seemingly starts out in front of ichigo but learns that ichigo is far stranger than he thought squashing the rivalry right there. Renji doesn't even qualify in my book. but narratively he is a "character relationship" rival in reference to Rukia. a sort of other side of the coin, what could've been thing. Grimmjow and Ulquiorra are both recognize your truest self rivals. grimmjow teaches him to truly began to accept who he is someone that craves battle/power. whereas Ulquiorra shows him that apart of accepting who he is will mean that he needs to overcome the perceived darkness inside him. even to a degree you could say Ginjo is a potential rival being another substitute shinigami. but this is just another what could've been situation. that ichigo overcomes with help showing that he doesn't have to be reliant on himself, but those around him will help give him strength. most of these really are different versions of mentors that teach the character a lesson, like how in Naruto many of his bigger fights are not just fights but philosophical clashes of ideal and further establishing hypocrisy in the opponents ideals. but the only true rival we ever really ascribe to him is Sasuke. tho technically as a child gaara would work and as a teen pain works. in conclusion, I just don't think that Ichigo actually has a rival. almost every challenge he faces teaches him about himself and my man's is a bit hard headed so he has to come to terms with some lessons a couple of times or more. hence multiple fights with grimmjow and Ulquiorra. this would also explain why ichigo clearly doesn't see kenpachi as a rival, because the lesson there was for ichigo to acknowledge he has limitations, but again those limitations can be overcome with assistance. where kenpachi is essentially doesn't learn that lesson for the entire series.
I think Grimmjow is Ichigo's biggest rival as I feel in TTYBW there still exist a bit rivalry, but I see Ichigo and Renji as friends and companions now. As for ulquiorra I think of him as more arch enemy. Question to all, is Ichigo the kind of character to hold longterm rivalries or is Ichigo the kind of character to move on with his life? I'm not sure.
I still think piccolo should've been goku's rival instead of vegeta. For starters piccolo's techniques are different enough from goku to keep the rivalry interesting. Vegeta is also just a less cooler version of piccolo and non vegeta fanboys would agree.
if piccolo wasnt nerfed due to the author not thinking of a way to make him keep up with the sayians and the craziness that happened..he would be goku's rival
There's room for both I think. I say Piccolo would make an interesting rival for Vegeta at a point, and then turn it into a rival triangle where they train to learn and best eachother.
I would say he has no actual main rival and it's basically him growing up finding new goals when he was learning how to be a soul reaper, renji and byakuya showed him what soul reapers can really do when they train when he was more human uruyu showed him the importance of technique and how simple human tricks can accomplish it When he was facing hallows grimmjow and ulqiora showed him what a next level danger threat was and why mastering yourself is important Point is whenever ichigo grew, their was someone new to show him more existed.
Don't really think he has any traditional rivals like Vegeta/Sasuke. Just people he needs to beat in that arc to save someone/something. After he beats them, he just moves on to either the next guy or the arc ends. Never someone he has a constant battle with that lasted more than an arc. Hollow Ichigo/himself is probably the closest rivalry he has
his rivalries are Yusuke like with Kuwabara , Hiei , Toguro & Sensui & even the final villian (literally having a brain fart) they all have a distinct reason why they beef w Yusuke from being a mentor to also being a spirit detective & also being a demon & the descendant of the Demon king
Would Aizen even think of him as a rival, there is just too much separating them. Aizen sentence might last longer than Ichigo’s bloodline (soul reapers would try killing them all, like the Quincy’s, Ichigo’s bloodline keep on surpassing the previous generation, which would once again making a group that want to kill all soul reapers, and attack them, long into the future, maybe they will even work with Aizen, I see him being the boogeyman they talk about for generations.) Aizen is now a mid higher dimensional being, that do not have the previous weakness of his power, because he is one with his sword, while Ichigo had his Quincy, and hollow side stolen by Yhwach, (but I heard in a light novel, he gotten it back somehow). Also if he gets the hogyoku again, he will become the galaxy/hogyoku Aizen from the brave souls 6th anniversary for the game, making him a being, that there’s no beating, only postponing the enterable. Also you have the problem of the fact, Aizen could absorb Yhwach, Yhwach cannot fight back or anything, he’s now a being that isn’t alive or dead, taking the place of the soul king, unable to fight back or defend himself, with that improving his evolution, and giving him all of Yhwach powers, and abilities.
@@aimanbabahmed7449 I’m talking about current Aizen, and the future somewhat, since I did mention his sentence of like 20,000 years. Also I do not think he cared about rather Ichigo lived or died, he can always turn Kenpatchi into a hybrid, sure he will not have any Quincy side, but he can always repeat the process that made Ichigo or just use his sisters. Aizen just wanted to be the strongest, but too also too not be alone, in being so powerful.
@@pralayajin-woo2700 idk how kenpachi would become a hybrid and its made clear by yhwach that ichigos appearance is a one and only in thousands of years. His sisters are not nearly at the same lvl at all. Aizen is too powerfull now anyway. I cant imagine someone beating aizen at this poing with yhwach being dead.
@@aimanbabahmed7449 Aizen made plenty of hollow hybrids, we even saw him make a group of soul reaper hollow hybrids, also Ichigo’s sister’s, did not have a soul reaper give them their powers, and they are far younger, but shows far more potential since they were already showing a great connection with spirits. When I said he can make Kenpatchi a hybrid, it was because Kenpatchi is far stronger, and thinking about it, the White hollow was completely connected with Ichigo Quincy side, since Yhwach took both of those, but not the soul reaper side, also you know, both sides fused into one, so Kenpatchi could get the white hollow, and the Quincy side would be passed down.
100% uryu they are good friends but still pick up challenges on each other trying prove who's the superior one it's two sided thing too. But the others might claim they're ichigo's rival but ichigo don't think of them as rivals.
In truth, Ichigo’s powers were his real opponent. The Quincy Zangetsu had been holding him back the whole series, nearly killing him more times than Grimmjow could have dreamed.
People seem to consider Byakua more of a rival than Renji in terms of Ichigo's shinigami powers, but TYBW arc sort of solidifies Renji's spot as his shinigami rival for me. He gets a massive power up very similar to ichigo in that they both discover their true bankai, and especially when he undergoes the same training and experiences (up until Ichigo is sent back to the human world, that is) at the soul king's palace with squad zero. Anything prior to TYBW arc, sure, I guess I can kinda see why people would view Byakua as a more fitting rival, but I just can't see it after TYBW.
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My take is that, until Ichigo learned the truth and fully accepted him during the Blood War arc, his greatest and longest-lasting rival was White, the inner Hollow. White and Ichigo's relationship actually fulfills the role of a more traditional rivalry quite well - they have their similarities but also a handful of very important differences which make them clash often and thus grow because of each other.
It all comes back to the 'King and the Horse' warning speech White gave. He and Ichigo are essentially identical in 'form, ability and power' since they share a body as two parts of the same person, but the irreconcilable difference in their approaches to killer instinct make the two of them resent each other and try to overpower the other.
Ichigo is very compassionate and wants to win his fights honorably, meanwhile White, the personification of his deepest darkest instincts, revels in sadistic glee over the destruction of his opponents. Ichigo is frightened by White's savage and brutal nature, so actively fights to suppress him. Meanwhile, White is disgusted by Ichigo's softness and lack of killing intent so fights to overthrow him. They struggle and compete for dominance over Ichigo’s body and inner world because neither will accept playing ‘horse’ to what they view as a bad ‘king’.
They both ultimately benefit from and have incentive to take part in this conflict.
Whenever Ichigo overcame White, he learns a new lesson about battle from him, and can control a little more of his hollow powers, thus growing as a warrior. He is also constantly pushed to do better because of the subconscious threat that if he is ever too weak to overcome an opponent then White will always be there to bite at his heels.
White also benefits from this relationship because since he is the real source of Ichigo's Shinigami powers, whenever Ichigo grows stronger so does he. And every time Ichigo is at death's door and White succeeds in taking over, the suppression of White's full power wanes, which is a process that is embodied by the evolving patterns of Ichigo's mask and the changing forms he takes whenever he goes full hollow.
Hey, Chuck! Have you thought about doing a video on the different Kido spells? In the light novels, it is established that the energy permeating the 3 realms in the Bleach cosmos is called Reimyaku. The Reimyaku in each realm is different. For example, Hueco Mundo's Reimyaku affected Chad into drawing out his Fullbring's true form. And it also provides nourishment for smaller Hollows, so that they don't have to consume actual souls. And that Kido spells like Hado #99 Goryutenmetsu are forbidden because it taps into the Reimyaku of the realm the caster is in. I think it would make a very interesting video! Keep up the great work!
I would say that Ichigo has three of them, one for each power he holds. Soul reaper(Renji) , quincy(Uruyu) , and hollow(Grimmjow).
That's a good way of putting it!
I would say byakuya over renji.
To me I feel renji to Ichigo is like Tien to goku
While byakuya felt more like a vegeta ( I am not talking about character behavior)
@@wappykid7318 byakuya only fought him on the first arc
@@devanshu5108 renji also wasn't relevant to Ichigo after the first Arc
Clearly Ichigo's rival is Kakashi. He is the best pirate in all of Dragon Ball.
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Sure Byakuya, Grimmjow, and Ulqiourra stand out, but the one always fighting against Ichigo was himself.
Ichigo was that personified, and every problem Ichigo faces, Ichigo has Ichigo solve it by overcoming himself and his weaknesses.
Ichigo main villain confirmed
ulquiorra is actually more like orihime's rival, like sure he was fighting ichigo, but his fight with ichigo is more like an extension of his philosophical fight with orihime
I'd say Renji or Grimmjow. Clearly his rivalry with Renji is a friendly one, but Grimmjow felt like a real dynamic between rivals tht hate each other personally but try to overcome the others strength.
Renji is Like Ichigos Krillin
While Grimmjow is Vegeta
And Aizen… Well Frieza I guess
@@OTPrOd1gy in terms of strength ichigo is on a different level tho only people on his level or stronger is yamato and aizen
Same those two I consider the rivals for ichigo. Renji was the more friendly, brotherly rivalry while Grimmjow is more of the animalistic rivalry where ur goal is to purely surpass one another.
If u want the more intense rival then u go for Grimmjow if u want the more comrade rival then u go for Renji.
Yea that’s the thing and grimmjow can’t keep up with ichigo anymore
@@OTPrOd1gy I'd honestly say that Renji is probably the Yamcha of Bleach. Both of their first encounter with the protag was a fight, both banged the protag friend (Bulma and Rukia) - and in my opinion, Renji was kind of screwed over at times the same way Yamcha was. Both relate with a canine - Yamcha's 'lone wolf' and Renji's 'stray dog'.
Also both Yamcha and Renji are insanely underrated characters to their respective franchises.
I’d say that Ichigo’s biggest and most consistent rival IS himself. His internal struggle with White, Zangetsu, and the other aspects of his personality is consistent throughout every ark. Ichigo’s journey is largely about coming to terms with his heritage, and he’s only able to move on to external opponents by overcoming his very real personal demons. Bleach characters are on the whole rather stoic and brooding, so thematically it makes sense that the greatest struggle for the protagonist would be with himself.
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This is amazing.
Content like this is what makes me realize how much I love bleach. It's the most different out of the big 3. You would never need to make a video about a rival for Naruto or One piece. The way all 3 mangakas looked at DBZ and they all turned out crazy different is amazing!
My picks are:
Quincy - Uruyu
Soul Reaper - Renji
Hollow - Grimmjow
I think its a cool idea that Ichigo has a rival in three out of the four races (I don't think any Fullbring has a good traditional rival role, I guess maybe Chad or Ginjo, but neither really fit that role to me) as Ichigo himself is one fourth of all four races it seems fitting he'd have a rival from each race.
Don’t forget
Combo of literally everything: himself/white
whats sad is that litterally none of them hold a candle to him.
Renji can last a few more seconds, but the other two...
@Geminitwizz Isnt he stronger than grimmjow?
Since we're talking about BLEACH shall I say that in a philosophical way his main limitation/enemy/rival was himself....which Kubo executed greatly. Everything but the rain arc was the complete developmental point for Ichigo.
I guess, Old man and White was also rivals to see which metode could protect Ichigo, Old man's atempt to surpass Ichigo's potential to make him less exposed to dangers or White's atempt to make Ichigo overcome himself and grow strong enough to become stronger than those that stand before him (that's atleast what I see at the moment when it comes to them)
Definitely would go for Grimmjow here. They had the most fights together, they still had that comparative relationship in the entire series.
Renji had it more so in the start of the series, the first 2 arcs but he chills out over time
His rival is Uryu. There. Both get to fight roughly the elites of the enemy faction of an arc. They often intersect by supporting each other such as against Ulquiorra, Ginjou and Yhwach. I just think that rivals go beyond "I wanna kill/fight you" abd Uryu is more of Ichigo's rival throughout the story in that aspect. Especially since opponents they fight are like a 1-uping relationship.
Nice interpretation!
I think you could probably argue Kenpachi is a rival. Each ark both him and Ichigo get stronger, to the point where him and Ichigo are like the strongest characters in the verse along with Aizen in CFYOW . Plus there is an interesting dichotomy between his selfishness in fighting to Ichigo selflessness.
Kenpachi is more of a badass mentor than a rival
Yea but he doesn’t care about being he’s rival
@@aladdinsai2029Not to be rude but name one time he gave off the feeling of a mentor.
Before watching the video I'd say that Ichigo is basically the antithesis to almost everyone in the series and that's why there are more people that can be defined as Ichigo's rival. Uryu is the calm and collected person, opposing the extrovert and fast-acting Ichigo. Byakuya is the noble that has everything that wants to keep the significance of laws, no matter the law or the person that is punished, opposing Ichigo, who wants to "destroy" any world in which laws are against his friends or the people that helped him, especially if the law itself has issues. Grimmjow resembles Ichigo more than anyone by character but his cruel manners brought by the fact that he is a hollow represents the point of the rivalry. So the rivalry is mostly flashed as a shinigami vs hollow battle, but the fact that their personalities resemble made it a fight between who will prevail, giving it more significance than a simple fight between a hollow and a shinigami. As seen in the last arc, a world where hollows and shinigamis are not in conflict might be a world where Ichigo and Grimmjow might even get along. Ulquiourra opposes Ichigo when it comes to feelings of love and friendship, fighting in order to convince the other that they are right and to show the despair/kindness of the world. Aizen is for Ichigo what Ichigo was for Byakuya, meaning that Aizen wants to destroy the world as Ichigo knows it. Their rivalry is forced because other than this and the fact that Aizen wants to hurt Ichigo's friends, their fight is pretty much emotionless.
ironic i htink kubo knew what he was doing when he gave uryu A- the antithesis as his schrift i think it menat both yhwach and ichigo
If you think about ichigo basically got a harem: Renji, Aizen, Kenpachi, Uryuu, Grimmjow, and hell even Byakuya 😂
I agree we need the second stage Grimmjow, but the only problem is, I think that was because of the hogyoku, than again it could work like Majin vegeta, by just awakening the full potential of Grimmjow, instead of evolving him like it did with Aizen.
"It's Aizen. It was always Aizen." ~Sosuke Aizen
Grimmjow is Ichigo’s mirror. He's literally Ichigo but 𝐅𝐄𝐑𝐀𝐋, two sides of the same coin and they had more fights that made them both grow, so I gotta give it my boy Grimmjow. Also Grimmjow vs Ichigo part 4 would the best thing ever!
Nice choice!
@@Chuck Thanks man! I gotta represent my favorite anime character of all time.
Grimmjow best anime character don’t @ me
@@jesuspernia8031 TALK YO SHIT KING‼️🗣 GRIMMJOW SUPREMACY
The best thing ever would be girmmjow getting one shot
"Kenpachi doesn't know how to hold back."
Yeah, ok.
It's nice to see Jaymes and Chuck collabing. It's great!
Also Grimmjow for sure. It's the most obvious and most memorable.
the fact that everyone was like "himself"
Those are some real bleach fans right there.
Yeah I think you guys nailed it on the head with my beliefs of what a rival is supposed to do is embody some of your beliefs as well as their own beliefs and push you forward but also be relative to the character that their rivaling in strength and/or ideology. For all who wonder I kinda want Uryū to be the main rival but grimmjow is a really good rival so pretty much what the video said.
Great thoughts!
I definitely like Uryu as the rival/friend Sasuke like character due to the way he starkly contrasts Ichigo.
1. Designs: Ichigo has bright, orange hair with a black kimono while Uryu has has dark blue hair with an all white cloak.
2. Fighting styles: Ichigo is a soul reaper that uses a sword at close range. Uryu is a Quincy who uses a bow at long range.
3. Thought process: Ichigo is very brash and essentially fights straight forward and attempts to over power his opponents. Uryu uses his mind during his fights, constantly analyzing his adversaries moves and creating strategic plans to defeat his opponents.
I mean he's beat everyone who could challenge him power and ideal wise, but now being a parent is going to be his biggest issue. But I would say Aizen or Hollow side would be the biggest rivals. Aizen challenges Ichigo's ideals directly by turning his normal life upside down. Ichigo is fighting for his friends more importantly to live a normal life. Aizen literally and figuratively took that away from him before he was even a fucking blip on the map. Its really impressive. Hollow/White is the inner more obvious struggle Ichigo battles because one day some how White will no longer be the horse and stomp Ichigo head in the dirt after all lol. Great video!
I just happy I'm finally gonna see my boi Grimmjow come back, stronger than all the Espadas by far and team up with Ichigo.
Grimmjow imo was his main rival I hope we get round 4 in the hell arc oh and chuck I have another suggestion battle beast vs mcu thor
Why do people want to see grimmgow get one shot
I consider Grimmjow to be Ichigo’s main rival. Their beef was very personal.
Ichigo doesn't have a rival. Throughout the series he never wanted to be the best. So unlike Yugi, Goku, Naruto, etc. who wanted to be the best of what they do, they need a rival to push them towards their goals. Instead, Ichigo wanted power to protect his friends and family.
Grimm actually wants to be his rival.
I’d say I agree. Grimmjow would be Ichigo’s biggest rival.
I'd say Ichigo has a rival for each arc honestly.
Substitute Shinigami Arc - Uryu
Souls Society Arc - Renji
Arrancar Arc - Grimmjow
Fullbring Arc - Ginjo
Haven't read TYBW yet but I'm sure there's one there too 😅
That's a good perspective!
Saga of the Bloody War of the Thousand Years. - uryu
Soul Society I give it to Byakuya
This video is fire, thank you for keeping the community engaged. And thinking about Bleach.
Kenpachi said post TYBW Grimmjow is just Nnoitra level lmao, kitty has no chance anymore
1. Grimmjow
2. Hollow Ichigo
3. Renji
4. Byakuya
5. Uryu
Great choices!
Loving the volume of uploads we’ve been getting recently
Let's face it, it's Grimmjow. If it's not Grimmjow it's Aizen. But it's Grimmjow.
So it’s aizen
Ichigo and Kenpachi's relationship is the beginning of Itadori and Todo
holy hell now this is a video chuck
im going to say grimjow i love that panther
it's definitely Grimmjow not only there's always tension whenever he shows up but he's also fought Ichigo more times
I think if the story continues into the new Hell arc and beyond, Aizen will become his rival. He's the only currently known (I'm sure there will be other Hell characters, etc) being currently able to throw down with Ichigo. The main problem is that Kenpachi, Renji, and Grimmjow could all jump full power Ichigo together and they'd still get bodied.
Of these, I would say Grimmjow for the currently existing story, as he has no other rivals left (and only sort of saw Ulq. as one). Kenpachi has some rivalry with Byakuya and had one with Unohana. Renji has Byakuya as well.
Though honestly, I would say no one at all right now. Ichigo is like anti-Goku. Kenpachi and Grimmjow _want_ to throw down with him again and he keeps noping out. The guy doesn't want rivals, lol.
Vegeta:"Our Rivalry is just me and you Kakarot!
Goku:"Idk, Best Buddy, I like having a lot of Rivals at the same time"
Vegeta:"How SHAMEFUL! Your a Rivalry CLOWN! A rivalry S1UT!"
Goku:"Stop Rivalry shaming me Vegeta" ---instant transmissions away while crying--
When I think of anime rivalries, I think of Goku/Vegeta, Naruto/Sasuke, Deku/Bakugo, etc. For Bleach in this case, I mainly think of Grimmjow for Ichigo
21:05 Shit made me laugh my ass off xD
i think you know, find out my friend I haven’t watched your video yet but you’re a good man for keeping Bleach alive. His main rival is none other than you could see it on his face. During the soul society arc … Rukia has a soaking inside of her a piece. Just a piece. And the gigai he made for Rukia overtime would permanently strip her powers he apologized but never explained why. Kubo‘s been holding this back and he’s gonna let it out in the hell arc I bet. Who’s ichigos main rival?? URAHARA.
I think vegeta is like “goku is the best” so if I best goku I’m the best like he can’t see anyone being above him and goku
Ichigo; so OP him being his own rival makes more sense than anybody else being so. 😂😂
Like I like this about ichigo he doesn’t have a direct rival unlike a lot of his Tver shounan protagonist
FINALLY PEOPLE ARE NOTICING THAT ICHIGO DOESNT HAVE A CLEAR CUT RIVAL IN MY OPINION GRIMMJOW IS DEF THE BEST BUT HE NEEDS WAY MORE SCREEN TIME
Big facts!
all three of them
but also Hollow Ichigo for control
Aizen's plan to make Ichigo his rival but turned him into not so bald Saitama with a sword
Ichigo rival is Aizen lol like tbh he was the first villain to get whoop by ichigo and say how could you help soul king like he wasn’t even caring about soul society he just wanted to throw hands with soul king for the seat
My opinion of a rivalry, the pair of characters should be 100% down to sit down and have the most intense arm wrestling contest every time they see each other.
Grimjow 100%
Renji, I could see the pair do it once in a while for fun, but not quite in the same way as Grimjow
Grimmjow for sure fits that description more!
Grimjow was a really good rivalry to Ichigo
Yes, I thought he was badass!
Goku's rival is Vegeta.
Luffy's rival is Kid.
Naruto's rival is Sasuke.
Ichigo's rival is Renji.
Luffy and ichigo doesn't have rivals
@@superironman8324 what?💀 Everyone else who wants to become king of the pirates is luffy's rival. Ichigo's rivals are in this video
Ichigo doesn't really have a single rival
pretty weak rival ichigo got there
@@BLACKSTA361 Mm Renji got really beefy with this Royal Guard training. Wouldn't call him weak.
I’d say Aizen, the guy who shaped his life really.
When Ichigo and Renji trained at the soul palace, definitely rival vibes
If the answer is anything but "The Gotei 13" idk if i can believe you Lol.
Ichigo's "rival" is usually based on whatever setting he's in, but more often than not it's Rivals
Ichigo's main rival is ishida, grimjow, renji, and sado. One for each source of power
Great choice!
Chuck going crazy with the uploads.
Thanks for watching!!
Lets be honest, the main person who taught Ichigo about instinct is Zangetsu, i mean hell, he had a whole ass speech about it xD
Hanson a legend at this point
I just thought of his rivals as Uryu(could have been Krillin), Renji (could have been Piccolo) and Grimmjow (could have been Vegeta)
I think that uryu have been to Sasuke.
I’d say Renji or Grimmgow were his best rivals not Kenpachi because he doesn’t care about that kinda stuff
I feel it's grimmjow, they almost have the same attitude fr lpl
Grimmjow would be a great sparring partner for Kenpachi
Aizen and Ichigo weren't ever actually rivals till the final ark. Through out the whole series it was either Aizen is leagues above or Ichigo is leagues above
I see then yea Aizen is an indirect Rival. Grimmjoe def a direct Rival!
Clyde and Chuck uploaded around the same time and both have JaymesHanson in them.
Ichigo is almost unrivaled (in terms of mc strength), ulquiorra challenged his mindset and beat the hollow out of him.
22:34 It actually was the CFYOW light novels where it compares Ichigo and Grimmjow in that way.
Ichigo's main rival was definitely within himself his external rivalries were fleeting whereas his inner turmoil lasted throughout most of the series
If we were to look at "who is Ichigo's main rival" seriously, it's no one outside himself; Ichigo's ✌🏾main✌🏾 rival is Ichigo.
Renji was a rival. Ichigo grew up then moved on.
Byakuya was a rival. Ichigo grew up then moved on.
Grimmjow, Ulquiorra, etc etc....Ichigo grows up, then moves on.
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A rival is not the equivalent of an antagonist; we can juice it up with shiny adjectives like "main" rival all we want, but it still won't equal a "main" antagonist. A rival is who you encounter that's similar to you in your quest for whatever that reminds you of where you stand and what you need to overcome to get to the next level.....it's not ✌🏾the bad guy✌🏾 Hell more often than not, the rival is neither friend nor enemy.
Ichigo was Ichigo's main rival, everyone else was pretty much just obstacles or checkpoints of varying degrees 👌🏾
When it comes to rivals in my opinion it should be the one they wanted to fight and would fight again. Grimmjow is the only one he wanted to fight and I could see going to fight again just for the fight.
The rival Is uryu because there are features appearest for anime's Rivals in uryu, Renji may be More friend. Aizen AND Grimmjow, may be more enemies.
Uryu may be as a Sasuke in Bleach, Renji may be as Krilin in Bleach,
Aizen may ve as Madara in Bleach,
Grimmjow as a pocoro or Freezer In Bleach.
Top choice for me it’s Renji through and through. Uryu I always saw as more of a Piccolo or a Kurama from YuYu Hakusho kind of character. Grimmjow fought Ichigo the most, but once he lost, he simply disappears until halfway into the final arc and barely has any interaction with Ichigo. Kenpachi and Aizen, in a way, were more so checkpoints for gauging Ichigo’s latent power than an actual rival.
Renji, on multiple occasions, from engaging Ichigo after learning he entered Seireitei, to learning/achieving Bankai around the same time, the time skip with the Fullbringers, and the Zero Division training/getting their reiatsu boosted by Kirio, new Zapakuto, and training with Ichimonji, Renji’s main goal has to keep up/catch up with Ichigo. Of course, there’s also the minor tropes Renji follows for a rival (romantic interest with the main female character, being used to show a new power set or taking on the main antagonist of an arc to show how powerful said character is, etc.)
Don't think part 4 Grimmjow would work. Despite almost starting a fight with Ichigo in the Quincy Arc deep inside he knew and wanted to be stopped. They're friends now.
This a good upload n question....but we should know one this is ... Aizen cut this MF theme music off ,Grimmjaw was hitting combos at Ichigo face while his girl watch and Renji shot his dad 😭☠️
I wouldn't say ichigo has any "true" rival except maybe himself and to a degree you could also say Zangetsu/Quincy manifestation.
but I think when taking narrative into consideration you could say he has "arc rivals" and they are not always the big bad villain which is why people have so many options for what his potential rival is even none at all.
Uryu is progression rival, he seemingly starts out in front of ichigo but learns that ichigo is far stranger than he thought squashing the rivalry right there.
Renji doesn't even qualify in my book. but narratively he is a "character relationship" rival in reference to Rukia. a sort of other side of the coin, what could've been thing.
Grimmjow and Ulquiorra are both recognize your truest self rivals. grimmjow teaches him to truly began to accept who he is someone that craves battle/power. whereas Ulquiorra shows him that apart of accepting who he is will mean that he needs to overcome the perceived darkness inside him.
even to a degree you could say Ginjo is a potential rival being another substitute shinigami. but this is just another what could've been situation. that ichigo overcomes with help showing that he doesn't have to be reliant on himself, but those around him will help give him strength.
most of these really are different versions of mentors that teach the character a lesson, like how in Naruto many of his bigger fights are not just fights but philosophical clashes of ideal and further establishing hypocrisy in the opponents ideals. but the only true rival we ever really ascribe to him is Sasuke. tho technically as a child gaara would work and as a teen pain works.
in conclusion, I just don't think that Ichigo actually has a rival. almost every challenge he faces teaches him about himself and my man's is a bit hard headed so he has to come to terms with some lessons a couple of times or more. hence multiple fights with grimmjow and Ulquiorra.
this would also explain why ichigo clearly doesn't see kenpachi as a rival, because the lesson there was for ichigo to acknowledge he has limitations, but again those limitations can be overcome with assistance. where kenpachi is essentially doesn't learn that lesson for the entire series.
I think Grimmjow is Ichigo's biggest rival as I feel in TTYBW there still exist a bit rivalry, but I see Ichigo and Renji as friends and companions now. As for ulquiorra I think of him as more arch enemy. Question to all, is Ichigo the kind of character to hold longterm rivalries or is Ichigo the kind of character to move on with his life? I'm not sure.
Grimmjow is the true rival. i haven't watched this video yet but didn't renji give up on his rivalry against ichigo?
He said it’s been over for decades. It’s been years. Bleach hasn’t been around that long
I still think piccolo should've been goku's rival instead of vegeta. For starters piccolo's techniques are different enough from goku to keep the rivalry interesting. Vegeta is also just a less cooler version of piccolo and non vegeta fanboys would agree.
Yea not a fan of how they belittle Piccolo!
if piccolo wasnt nerfed due to the author not thinking of a way to make him keep up with the sayians and the craziness that happened..he would be goku's rival
I agree, Vegeta is my least favourite Saiyan.
I am a Vegeta stan but I agree that Piccolo should be competitively a rival.
There's room for both I think. I say Piccolo would make an interesting rival for Vegeta at a point, and then turn it into a rival triangle where they train to learn and best eachother.
I would say he has no actual main rival and it's basically him growing up finding new goals
when he was learning how to be a soul reaper, renji and byakuya showed him what soul reapers can really do when they train
when he was more human uruyu showed him the importance of technique and how simple human tricks can accomplish it
When he was facing hallows grimmjow and ulqiora showed him what a next level danger threat was and why mastering yourself is important
Point is whenever ichigo grew, their was someone new to show him more existed.
Yo chuck i hope all is well bro and keep up the good work!!
Don't really think he has any traditional rivals like Vegeta/Sasuke. Just people he needs to beat in that arc to save someone/something. After he beats them, he just moves on to either the next guy or the arc ends. Never someone he has a constant battle with that lasted more than an arc. Hollow Ichigo/himself is probably the closest rivalry he has
Nice perspective!
I'd say his biggest rival is himself because that was the constant trope - developing his skills (zanpakuto) - between him and Shiro Ichigo
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I can still do better :)
Renji for Soul Reapers, Uruyu for Quincy, Arrancar is eith Ulquiorra and Grimmjow. I can't think in anything for the fullbringers.
So ichigo has 1 series rival in Grimmjow & SEVERAL arc parallels not necessarily rivals in Renji ,uryu ,Ulquiorra
his rivalries are Yusuke like with Kuwabara , Hiei , Toguro & Sensui & even the final villian (literally having a brain fart) they all have a distinct reason why they beef w Yusuke from being a mentor to also being a spirit detective & also being a demon & the descendant of the Demon king
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Would Aizen even think of him as a rival, there is just too much separating them.
Aizen sentence might last longer than Ichigo’s bloodline (soul reapers would try killing them all, like the Quincy’s, Ichigo’s bloodline keep on surpassing the previous generation, which would once again making a group that want to kill all soul reapers, and attack them, long into the future, maybe they will even work with Aizen, I see him being the boogeyman they talk about for generations.)
Aizen is now a mid higher dimensional being, that do not have the previous weakness of his power, because he is one with his sword, while Ichigo had his Quincy, and hollow side stolen by Yhwach, (but I heard in a light novel, he gotten it back somehow). Also if he gets the hogyoku again, he will become the galaxy/hogyoku Aizen from the brave souls 6th anniversary for the game, making him a being, that there’s no beating, only postponing the enterable.
Also you have the problem of the fact, Aizen could absorb Yhwach, Yhwach cannot fight back or anything, he’s now a being that isn’t alive or dead, taking the place of the soul king, unable to fight back or defend himself, with that improving his evolution, and giving him all of Yhwach powers, and abilities.
Aizen lost to ichigo because he didnt want to kill the one guy that has thr potential to rival him.
@@aimanbabahmed7449 I’m talking about current Aizen, and the future somewhat, since I did mention his sentence of like 20,000 years. Also I do not think he cared about rather Ichigo lived or died, he can always turn Kenpatchi into a hybrid, sure he will not have any Quincy side, but he can always repeat the process that made Ichigo or just use his sisters. Aizen just wanted to be the strongest, but too also too not be alone, in being so powerful.
@@pralayajin-woo2700 idk how kenpachi would become a hybrid and its made clear by yhwach that ichigos appearance is a one and only in thousands of years. His sisters are not nearly at the same lvl at all. Aizen is too powerfull now anyway. I cant imagine someone beating aizen at this poing with yhwach being dead.
@@aimanbabahmed7449 Aizen made plenty of hollow hybrids, we even saw him make a group of soul reaper hollow hybrids, also Ichigo’s sister’s, did not have a soul reaper give them their powers, and they are far younger, but shows far more potential since they were already showing a great connection with spirits.
When I said he can make Kenpatchi a hybrid, it was because Kenpatchi is far stronger, and thinking about it, the White hollow was completely connected with Ichigo Quincy side, since Yhwach took both of those, but not the soul reaper side, also you know, both sides fused into one, so Kenpatchi could get the white hollow, and the Quincy side would be passed down.
Aizen already has the Hogyoku inside him, he’s had it inside him since the FKT arc and throughout the entire TYBW arc.
22:53 gald am not the only one who thinks that.
Great minds think alike!
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100% uryu they are good friends but still pick up challenges on each other trying prove who's the superior one it's two sided thing too.
But the others might claim they're ichigo's rival but ichigo don't think of them as rivals.
I think Grimmjow is his rival
We really needed that rematch in the TYBW
I hope they add it somehow haha
Yeah, I'd love a part 4!
Ichigos rivals are by arc. He doesn't truly have a Sasuke or vegeta in my opinion. Even Grimmjow seems to be a one sided rivalry by the last arc.
In truth, Ichigo’s powers were his real opponent. The Quincy Zangetsu had been holding him back the whole series, nearly killing him more times than Grimmjow could have dreamed.
I don’t consider ichigo a regular shonen protag. So I just though he had non. The closest to a rival I seen was hollow ichigo
a reguular shonen protag has friendly rivals tho
Ichigo's rival is Zangetsu. Nuff said
People seem to consider Byakua more of a rival than Renji in terms of Ichigo's shinigami powers, but TYBW arc sort of solidifies Renji's spot as his shinigami rival for me. He gets a massive power up very similar to ichigo in that they both discover their true bankai, and especially when he undergoes the same training and experiences (up until Ichigo is sent back to the human world, that is) at the soul king's palace with squad zero. Anything prior to TYBW arc, sure, I guess I can kinda see why people would view Byakua as a more fitting rival, but I just can't see it after TYBW.