The BEST Military Surplus Pack since the ALICE RUCK
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Hi! Nice review! Short and straight to the point. Have you ever used the 5.11 Rush 72? If you did, between it and Molle II medium which one do you prefer? I'm kind of on the fence about buying one of them
Genuine 'carbon fiber' contains nano materials to make it stronger /still lightweight. Also 'hook and loop' is the technical term, whereas 'velcro' is a brand name. Like tissue vs 'kleenex'.
I swapped out the waist belt for one off of a large ruck. That made it so much more comfortable.
which large ruck did you use? work well?
@@codycox2685 I used the large US Army MOLLE II ruck. Works great.
@@varnellhopkinsiii6863 Thanks buddy. Anxious to try that.
Same, definitely a great upgrade
I love that you offer up reviews for both soldiers, and civilians. As a hiker/camper (civilian) I can appreciate both, and always find some value in your videos. Thanks for all the work you put into your video's!
Add the side pouches from the large ruck. It adds a lot of space to an already good system. Just watch the zippers because they can slip behind the pouches. I was a medic and the extra space saved me from having to deal with an aid bag on shorter ops.
This is a great life hack.
Long story short, not having a medium ruck in JRTC made my life a lot harder than it had to be. When i finally got issued one, i loved it so much that i refused to return it to CIF. No regrets.
Switch out the medium belt with the Large Molle belt. It attaches the same way. If you can find one in OCP.
is it longer in the waist strap?
“Pogie bait” I haven’t heard that in years... lol 😂
Just recently came across your channel while checking revues on Amazon, I like seeing someone that is straight up and to the point. It has changed my mind on several purchases and caused me to investigate products much better before a purchase. Thanks again for everything that you are doing.
thanks!
Obviously there was a sergeant major on the committee that designed the ruck. “But if we put mesh pouches on there Joe’s will have gloves and socks and Hooah bars and all kinds of non uniformity stuff hanging out of there!”
And then every random Joe just weaves a few feet of shock cord to the outside MOLLE on the back in a zig-zag pattern, and presto, improv mesh webbing.
I actually kinda prefer it this way so you can attach more stuff to the sides. The camelbak is the perfect length for the sides of these and otherwise you can put either a sustainment pouch or e tool to Balance the weight out
I first saw the MOLLE in 1999. Schofield Barracks. A platoon got to test it out. Then, in 2002, at Fort Drum we had a MOLLE ruck we tested as well. The sleeping compartment was actually a separate piece, then we got another MOLLE the ruck with the sleeping compartment attached which we used in Iraq. It was a better version. This was 2005-06. 🤘🇺🇸
One excellent "Grunt Proof" review after years of use. I call this the real review. Keep going 💪
I fit a medium ALICE to one of these frames and it's been outstanding.
My favourite pack layout on an excellent frame!
Magic!
Thanks for your service bro and thanks for the video too . That pack looked good to go . ( 82 ND Ret. )
Hell yeah!!!! Thanks Randall!!! AWESOME!!! 👏🏼💪🏼
Hay bro I got back out rucking because of you learning more than I already know thank bro keep making your videos
Awesome!
Medium ruck was the BEST pack ever issued, so good I finally had to obtain one for recreational use. By far the most used as a 12Bravo in theater. And absolutely right about the hops between fobs, medium was the way to go. Also, the compartments are good for separating demo charges from pogie bait ;)
I used to use military gear when I was much younger. It looked cool, seemed functional. As I got older and more experienced, I realized the real engineering was in the specialized civilian stuff. It sits better, distributes weight better, moves better, packs better, etc. And it also comes with lifetime warranties.
Because of this review I bought this pack! So far very comfortable. Thanks brother
Thanx for the review on this ruck. I was looking for something else as a go bag that would have more space.
This has been my bushcraft backpack for almost 7 years, hasn't had a single component fail so far.
Cool
I just bought two in ACU. They are beautiful.... a work of art.
Actually, we got that specific pack in 08 to be deployed in Iraq. It’s an awesome pack with no real drawbacks other than no back support that I remember. It was a total hip weight carrier. Now if I’m remembering wrong, I apologize.
Damn, figures the army finally developed a decent ruck right as I left AD. I'll be sure to check that one out
I feel ya on that. At least we had button down pockets and BDU's that worked.
I have two and love them both. Got the ACU/UCP in a storage locker , but have the OCP one out and ready to go. Thanks for the review.
This pack was the bees knees man back in oef. In 11-12 this was THE pack to have when dismounted in the hills of east afg. My all time favorite infantry ruck.
I'm reading you loud and clear. I modifies a couple of molle panels by adding the stretch fabric to the panel itself for a removable stretch pouch and then criss crossed some shock cord over it. Great for a reach back dump pouch or water bottle holder.
I attached 2 OCP sustain pouches to my medium rucksack, from the large OCP ruck. Only downside is closing the zippers. The pouches kinda get in the way. I basically run, my assault pack + my medium ruck for every mission I go. 🤙🏼
Thinking about picking one of these up as an alternative to my USMC 3 day pack.
Those Are Rare, Great Smaller Pack With Frame.Ive Only Seen One, It Is Owned By My Supply Sgt... He Picked It Up In Kuwait. I Been In Since 1984... I miss My ALICE Packs.. A Little Heavier.. Never saw a broken Frame, Comfortable too.
I've still got a knot or 2 in my back leftover from a PRC-77. I have an old large Alice pack somewhere but as usual I want the updated cool one that you show.
I use that same pack except its the ucp version, for search and rescue and it's been the best pack ive used so far. Ironically i dont have a frame or hip belt to help, but even with the 40 odd pounds of stuff on ky shoulders alone its still very effective.
Thanks for the review! "Prepared Lives Matter" Love it!
Thanks for the review, sold me on it. Picked one of these up recently. Definitely NOT designed in Natick... Somebody had a look at the old ALICE ruck and listened to the soldiers who used it.
Former 11B, C Co. 4/9 IN, 6th ID (Light), Alaska in the early 90's. We had the CFP-90 (the old predecessor to the current large MOLLE) and regularly ripped straps and buckles off it. It was especially bad if you had the bitch bag/tripod or a baseplate. We were issued the large ALICE ruck when it had to be DX'd. This is a little small for AK, but still wish we had this for JRTC rotations/summer FTXs.
100 % Natick design. We just didn’t go by the requirements document. We threw it away and listened to Soldiers.
@@rgeardesign Thanks, I stand corrected. I'm glad you did throw it away.
I just spent about 12 minutes, watching a guy walking around the woods, talking about a rucksack. A lot of good information on there, and to me it would seem like a good, more upto date pack than the old ALICE packs. Btw, sir, thank you for your service. I know that sounds hollow, but you did a lot of things most people, including me, couldn't do. Great review, I would love to find one if those, since, I've been thinking about getting another pack?
I have the USMC ILBE Main Pack and Assault Pack right now. I plan on getting the MOLLE II Main Pack and Assault Pack when the OCP versions come down in price. Maybe eventually get the FILBE Main Pack and Assault Pack as well.
Nice looking pack , they hard to come by
I have this bag in OCP, and spare in ACU. Great bag. I did have one of these in woodland until someone decided they needed it more than me. I have not see or been able to find it again int woodland. I would gladly trade hr ACU WITH CASH if I could get another in woodland again. Being in the Midwest woodland is the best fit for my area. I wish I could locate a replacement in woodland again but have not had any luck finding it. I lost the gear in kept in it but replaced all that it’s just that bag I miss the most.
When you ignored that “no entry” sign you got my subscription.👍 No one owns the land. We lease it temporarily. Just received my pack, based on your review. Thank you for steering me in the right direction.
Maybe where you live?
In Florida, that is a good way to get shot.
Just saying. 10:22
Ugh yes people own land lol
This is America
Good review. I will overlook the fact that you are from Mississippi, since I am from Georgia. :)
Don't hate us because you still don't have constitutional carry 😂
It amazes me, after all the versions of Molley, they still don't have camo straps. They are all solid OD, Coyote or Sage.
I have had a lot of experience with Alice but Molle came after my time! Great review all I needed to know before picking one up.
Unrelated historical note: In the Napoleonic wars, the British packs were godawful. Chafed and even choked the soldiers using them. The French packs were well-made and much more comfortable. So you could always tell the veterans from the recruits in Wellington's army, because the veterans swooped on French packs after battle. Using a French pack proved you'd been in battle.
I may have to give my medium ruck another chance, i didnt know they even existed until i saw them at RFI 😅. During that deployment, I remember trying to avoid taking my large ruck on a patrol, but everything was sagging below the frame of the medium ruck, especially if i use the lower, outer pouch. So i dumped it all and used the large ruck. Havent used it since
The DEI "proto" pack of this had no PALS but had two open flat pouches where your canteens are attached. Each pouch can fit a 1qt/ 1lt canteen.
It's actually one of my fav issued ruck or piece of gear issued. I can honestly live out of it for about 4-5 days weather pending but the fact that it actually has smaller pockets in the larger pockets is way better than the larger ruck that is literally 1 giant bag and two sustainment bags. For my larger ruck I use an Malice pack that has been modified heavily with extra pouches and it's leaps and bounds better than the larger ruck. This is also a great jumpable ruck too. If you need to wear it with body armor though I would suggest removing the frame though and I've swapped out to different shoulder straps and added the larger ruck waist pack or else that plastic frame will dig into your lower back super bad.
It's been my personal experience that anything you can "live out of" for 3-4 days, you can do so indefinitely as long as the gear holds up. Great advice you have here.
Malice packs are great 👍
Great video i just found your channel very cool .I just purchased this rucksack .Thank you for your service i was 11B ,C in 85.
You can buy mesh pouches that attach through molle but they're like water bottle size
Liking that Randall .like the pkt layout..can see the sewing machine coming out again..atb Mitch..
Also I would look into the M9 aid bag. It would make a great assault pack.
Hi Randall, I've just acquired the new Molle 4000 Airborne Rucksack sent to me from USA, It came with all the straps and hooks for Jumping, Nice bit of Kit, Roy Airborne Vet London England
Awesome!
Great vid. South Alabama here just outside Mobile. Got the medium molle in desert & woodland camo and the assault pack in ucp, desert, woodland and ocp. Looking for this one in ocp. Thanks again for your service and look forward to the next vid.
Cool thanks!
I'm in Covington county near Andalusia. Do you guys have any military surplus stores down there. Only one I know of in my area is in Dothan
@@joshwells4280 Blackie Thomas has a TH-cam channel and he has videoed a couple of tours in his favorite Army Navy store in Samson Alabama. It’s Kaufman’s if I remember correctly. They have everything.
Looks like an oversized Maxpedition Condor. Another great pack.
The medium ruck is something that I do not like at all. You cannot fit anything in it if you are taking all the components of the sleep system (Bivy, winter, summer bags). You have to take everything out of the ruck to get to the sleeping bag versus just opening the bottom of the large ruck. You cannot attach the sleeping mat to it like you could with the top flap of the large ruck, there are no sustainment pouches, and fitting a camelback into it is a massive PITA.
I have never done any civilian camping so I do not know about how it would work with that.
Got done with a 3 day FTX, used this (fully filled) while carrying a 249. Shit FUCKED my shoulders and back up, regardless of how I’d situate the waist strap. Granted we were moving through jungle and doing 2 klick maneuvers but still. Ima stick with my large ruck tbh
Guten tag! Wie gehts. I love my surplus rucks and sacks both USA and European manufactured. They all may be heavy, heavier than domestic packs but they take so much more abuse and keep on working. I found an Army Molle II medium ruck on ebay for around 50 bucks and that thing has a lot of carrying capacity. The seller included several pouches and threw in a rain cover. It is a very comfortable pack. One of my favorite bushcraft packs is the Norwegian Army Rucksack. I can carry skis, axe, shovel, or rifle behind the side pockets. I was surprised that the NAR was featured in a Kirk Douglas and Richard Harris movie, The Heroes of Telemark. LOL...you can adjust the sternum strap depending on how muscular you are..."or not". Randall, you would be one helluva standup comedian just talking about Army gear and Army life.
Thanks!
Lol I was drawn to the gate and the sign telling me not to go that way😂😂 love it brother keep it up!
Thanks for sharing!🤘🏻
I hope to some use out of mine in Az this winter rock hunting & hiking. TAKE CARE..
great vids
Shout out from Mississippi. Working on joining the Air Force.
Awesome
I've got a large ACU Molle II pack and a Marpat ILBE and both are excellent. I've had them for years. Not going to get anything new - my "disposable" prep dollars are for other things now. I'm pretty much set for all categories but can always use more food, ammo and solar power battery storage....
Love your gear reviews. One thing that might be helpful is to know what size you are, to see how packs, tents and stuff fit you. You've probably mentioned it, but I missed it. Rock on. :-)
Wiggys used to sell a load carrying pack that used the Molle II frame, shoulder straps and belt. Basically a shelf at the bottom. It was great for carrying tools to do trail maintenance like a gas tank, chainsaw, axe.....
I think the lack of mesh pockets was intentional as the mesh pockets can get snagged quite a bit if you have loaded packs piled up in the back of a truck or on terrain features.
Now that is what I call a long-term test 😁 Awesome ruck though. I want one......😥
Just found your channel. Well done! Subbed.
Nice to see you walking through the German woods.
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My medium ruck got stolen during the holidays, just bought a new one to replace it. I used to be on an LLVI team and this ruck was great for RTOs and my go to for anything that didn't involve a huge hump
I get it, its a nice pack, but you should try the 5.11 Rush 100. Nearly all the issues you mentioned with this pack have been addressed with the Rush 100.
Rush 72 is equivalent volume to MOLLE medium ruck. Rush 100 they blew the concept of the whole product line
Velcro is a brand name. The army has to use hook and loop or pay licensing to use velcro.... even though they are functionally the same
You needed to have views of the pack exterior from different angles
I think its simular to 5.11 rush series. I love the rush series
GP Excellent Tutorial 👍🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄
My dude, the creaking! How do you hush up this frame!? I've applied some medical wrap on the bottom corners where part of the belt loops into the frame, but now I believe I'm getting the creaking from the bottom center. Can't really dampen with the med. wrap in that spot - save me, Tom Cruise!
Northeast Mississippi boy can relate. I think I need one of those.
Us Army backpacks can be found at big 5 stores
I cried when I retired and had to turn mine back into CIF.
I loved the UAFs issue pack it was sweet and plenty of space. used to be able to pack 3 days of food and water along with a couple mags worth of spare ammo. Shame how rare they are now with how much aftermarket and surplus is going around. If you can find one that's not a knock off i'd jump on it they are solid as hell
You should review/test the Spec Ops T.H.E pack.
I will. this summer I'll have some epic gear to cover
As a person that’s deployed to Africa and Poland I can vouch for this bag it not just a bag it’s a fren!
Start your own surplus store with access to your viewed approved products 👌. Here on the East Coast along the Blueridge mountains, there are nada military surplus stores around me that I am aware of in my actual vicinity that I am aware of.
I"am an old school grunt. 0311 U.S.M.C, I have been entertaining the idea of acquiring one of those in the newer camo pattern. I"am just wondering if that could be placed on the old ALICE frame?" Other mods I would implement for my own needs,adding sustainment pouches and replacing the original hip belt with a longer one to add pouches, but that ruck looks like it would do the job for what I want it for. Hunting, Camping and Bushcrafting.
Nice review.
I was looking at these, a filbe assault pack or a medium alice for my go bag.
I ended up with an rto alice. Then used the medium molle ii ruck frame to lighten up the pack.
Hopefully they will get like the old alice pack in price and availability. Still would like an ocp version for a spare.
OCP sucks in the woods. BUT... if you dirty it up with a can of flat black, it works great in an urban environment. Hey, @UCS7kyY9hqClnfIYreR5xvpg that might make a great topic to do your next video on. Modification of certain camo for your AO.
@@BillyReed68 like acu, a couple bottles of rit and a warm afternoon can do wonders
It's called hook and loop because the Army is too cheap to pay the extra 3 cents per pack for Velcro brand hook and loop.
Review the Crossfire bags! The DG-3 and DG-16 look like a really cool improvement on this frame design, and also designed to be comfy with or without armor.
I'll check em out. Thanks!
@@GruntProof wow quick response! Always love the videos man!
I like my large molle or FILBE for serious winter camping
I have an ILBE and love it
@@GruntProof so would you rather choose the ILBE as a bob or this Molle ruck?
Bugging out for real? Probably this or the FPG Marpack. Maybe my large ALICE in colder temps. They're just my favorite
I got a legit new/never issued one off amazon. Problem is: The inside is dry-sticky. Sticky enough that your hands will get mildly sticky and your gear ends up getting sticky. I separately bought a never-issued military butt pack and have noticed the same thing. Not sure what the deal is. Thoughts?
@hardcorecampinggear. Hi, don't know what the issue is with the stickiness of the waterproofing layer that's applied but...even mine had that same problem when issued new.Might be poor chemical composition and rapid break down period.I don't know any soldiers that got one issued that was dry and not sticky to the touch.The dry bags is the only thing I trusted putting any gear in the ruck to prevent any of that getting on it especially clothing.Still got my full Molle II Large with the 3 Day Pack and Waist Pack and other pouches,being a former Ranger I might have been given a pass cause I didn't have to return it to the CIF or other members of my Unit.We were and a small 8 person detail and I will not get into anymore information than that.All the best to you.
I took the big pad from the new ruck and put it on my old alice pack and its amazing! I like my assult pack but hate that its acu id kill to find an assult pack in woodland/bdu/dcu. This new pack you got is making me want to try it. I always had problems with the plastic frames getting brittle and breaking in freezing temps im in northern Minnesota-30 to -60 is possible and not uncommon whats the worst cold environment you have had it in and did you have a frame break taking an impact?
Love the Cobra patch!
Thanks for the video Randall. I've been wanting to get the MOLLE assault pack for some time now. I have a similar pack, the Patrol pack in Woodland Camo. Not as big though. I will have to try and get my hands on one the assault packs. To me they didn't look all that comfortable, but since you say it is, I believe you, Especially since you have used it for so long. Good to know. I was wondering if you would ever be interested in doing a video on the medium ALICE pack? it's one of my favorite packs.
Probably not. It's been overdone and I think it's close enough to the large. Plus I owe you guys so much other stuff!
Have the 3 day assault pack..too small for what I do. Have the lg. Molle ll ruck and love it but too big for most of my trips. Purchased the med ruck and find it is quite uncomfortable. Will put a lg ruck waist belt on it and hope it works. Other wise the size is great.
Thankyou good video and thankyou for your service
Love the medium ruck but that waist belt is worthless especially for larger framed folks. I switch mine out with a full size large MOLLE ruck waist belt
Yea I've seen that done a lot for comfort.
Great ruck, but so expensive. I'm from EU, Baltic states.
As an alternative, I've got french 45-50l ruck, sac de combat made by Cepovett. Brand new, with bladder and everything that comes with this ruck. Only for €80 🤘😂
Molle 4000. Would love to see you do a vid on it ! And or a comparison. Thoughts on the Molle 4000. thanks.
I've been planning on that and just keep forgetting. Thanks!
Good review , be cool if you could review the medium Alice with the hell cat mod
Rucking? I can just about walk without carrying anything extra! Perhaps a pair of sunglasses, however I can do 100 press ups in 2 sets in ten minutes,
I'm in my sixth decade.
Do you have any videos on how to effectively pack this ruck? 35 pounds?
No but I'll make one. Thanks!
Thanks man looks like a worthwhile investment... Even if in ucp...
Universal is SO much better than Grandma's couch.
Can you share how you pack that for a 3 day FTX?
You can never forget the tube of KY Jelly for emergencies😅.
It's like I told the wife I'm the Best I Ever Had 🤣
Bro, I was looking for a review on the Modular Sleep System and who the hell do I find? A good old boy from South Mississippi!
Hey Randall,
Nice Ruck, I may have to start using one! Re Press ups: just did 2×50 in 20 minutes. Back to Rucks, what do you think of Helikon Tex 's Rucks?
And what do you think of Pencott Greenzone?
Haven't heard of any of those