16:07 The irony of the name of the Italian CL, called in honor of Cornelio Silla, that belongs to a class that is called in honor of his bitterest rival, Caio Mario...
Those 16" ships are solid, but that BC class continues to prove it is the real power in the Western Med. Would be excellent to have an escort of 1 or 2 BC with your BB. BC hanging out of range (as much as feasible) while BB snipe but still close enough to shoo cruisers away. Then moving up once the big gun threat is eliminated.
as the "Aguila de Nantes/San Ceres" class enjoys continued success in the Italian theater, it would be wise to begin drafting a derivative design an extra main battery turret at the cost of one centerline secondary, potentially; having more gun mounts of a lesser calibre along the broadside would allow this hypothetical ship a greater degree of operational flexibility, fending small ships away from itself when operating alone and lending better to screening the "San Francisco Javier" class (is this just an asset flip of one of the many ill fated Alaska class design proposals?, perhaps, but everything is worth a shot when talking about deleting what remains of the Italian fleet)
Quick Spanish pronunciation lessons: C in front of E or I is like a th- in English. Like in "Thick" C in front of A, O and U, is just like a K. This is castillian accent from the interior (good morning from Ávila), c and s can change a bit depending on the region
The C in Celedon can be approximated to the "th" sound, like in "thing". I think that the "ca, ce, ci" combinations can generally be approximated to the "th" sound, while the "co, cu" combinations are more like a hard "k". However, that is one of those things that you never think about when you are a native speaker, as you've heard that all your life! Basically, it's like that arcane list of the order of adjectives in English, you know, the sacred "opinion, size, age, shape, colour, origin, material, purpose" that nobody teaches you, but, when you hear of it, it blows your mind!
55:00 I am legit asking myself the same question. You would think Army Logistics are affected by fleet size and ports being available right? Well, no actually i guess! In my current US campaign i fully surrounded Germany, they had Bohemia and Southern Germany left, no ports in europe at all anymore and they still somehow had a giant army that gets supplied through my conquered territories i guess xd. Really wish you had some control over land armies, there was territory next to me with 0 army force but my land armies decided to just not walk in there for 20 years
18:57: Oh My Giddy Maiden Aunt! Such as great duel and you didn't hit the Ship Stats button. Sigh. Poor Sulla, her last accomplishments lost by a cruel world.
14:00: Colón was doing well hitting the slower transports, and sinking four so far. But Irrequieto is faster and harder to hit, though just as unarmored.
If you are going to be out numbered with massive fleet screens, maybe sticking with the 8 16s (or moving to 9 in triples) and focusing on having a heavy secondary battery on the next Battleship class would be a good idea? Also don't be afraid of deck mounted secondaries!
20:19: I look at that THING and wonder, were are the three other 2.3" guns. I can see one mounted on a barbette forward, utterly pointlessly, but where are the rest? The 3.4" is on the deck behind the main tower. Are two of them in the notch between the secondary tower and the incorporated barbette with the Q turret?
These new 7000 ton DD Hulls are very fun but holy moly you can make them PRICEY xD my DDs in my Italy campaign ended up costing like 3.5 billion each cause of engines and tech, they can be very fun but otherwise are so not worth it, enemies get like 25000 victory points for sinking them and they get constantly matched against light cruisers cause of their size and even heavies sometimes
23:53: So Urdaneta sinks, sad, and I'm looking to see which of the Italian light cruisers should get the credit, which did more damage? But it appears Urdaneta took 36k and each of Attilio Regolo and Muzio Attendolo did 18K. So, no individual credit.
On the Celedon question, for "ca", "co" and "cu" it sounds as a hard c, almost as a k, while for "ce" and "ci" it sounds like a soft c, with a similar sound to the "th".
Cruisers in the Aegean Noticias Marítimas y Mundiales de Cádiz 10 March 1935 The Vigilante, lead of her class of Cruçeros de tercera clase, from the Cagliari Estación Naval on the Island of Sardinia, was operating in the Aegean Sea looking for ships of the Regia Marina when she spotted funnel smoke to the north. Closing on it, she soon sighted the Caio Mario class Incrociatore leggero Cornelio Silla. Turning enough to open her broadside, Vigilante opened fire with all ten guns. Cornelio Silla returned fire with her three 6.2” guns. They began exchanging Italian 6.2” shells for Spanish 6” shells, but Vigilante was doing more damage. Cornelio Silla was soon listing to starboard, flooded amidships in one of her engineering compartments, she was also taking on water fore and aft. Her steering was shot up, fires were burning, and 240 casualties were reported. Cornelio Silla sank. Vigilante took 1 casualty. Losses were not reported for Cornelio Silla.
Looking at the large skirmish with the 16" battleships, even though the large calibre guns performed well I think a decent sized secondary battery (6.5-8") would have definitely helped against the great blobs of Italian CLs
@@BrotherMunro yes the only issue which you've addressed before is the AI loves to pick on the weakest ships, would the San Ceres be able to withstand the attentions of their battleships?
16:07 The irony of the name of the Italian CL, called in honor of Cornelio Silla, that belongs to a class that is called in honor of his bitterest rival, Caio Mario...
Yes, but Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix and Gaius Marius were also colleagues for a time. So...
That giant Italian destroyer class looks like they decided to mass produce HMS Swift (the 1907 one).
Ah, I was waiting to see if that big Italian fleet would self-torpedo.
Those 16" ships are solid, but that BC class continues to prove it is the real power in the Western Med.
Would be excellent to have an escort of 1 or 2 BC with your BB.
BC hanging out of range (as much as feasible) while BB snipe but still close enough to shoo cruisers away. Then moving up once the big gun threat is eliminated.
as the "Aguila de Nantes/San Ceres" class enjoys continued success in the Italian theater, it would be wise to begin drafting a derivative design
an extra main battery turret at the cost of one centerline secondary, potentially; having more gun mounts of a lesser calibre along the broadside would allow this hypothetical ship a greater degree of operational flexibility, fending small ships away from itself when operating alone and lending better to screening the "San Francisco Javier" class
(is this just an asset flip of one of the many ill fated Alaska class design proposals?, perhaps, but everything is worth a shot when talking about deleting what remains of the Italian fleet)
Imagine if those 16" BB's had some 6" turrets
Quick Spanish pronunciation lessons:
C in front of E or I is like a th- in English. Like in "Thick"
C in front of A, O and U, is just like a K.
This is castillian accent from the interior (good morning from Ávila), c and s can change a bit depending on the region
48:37: Friendly fire is so fun to write up when it's the enemy and you know the shape of the next episode...
49:00 Algeciras going full on Warspite.
The C in Celedon can be approximated to the "th" sound, like in "thing". I think that the "ca, ce, ci" combinations can generally be approximated to the "th" sound, while the "co, cu" combinations are more like a hard "k". However, that is one of those things that you never think about when you are a native speaker, as you've heard that all your life!
Basically, it's like that arcane list of the order of adjectives in English, you know, the sacred "opinion, size, age, shape, colour, origin, material, purpose" that nobody teaches you, but, when you hear of it, it blows your mind!
55:00
I am legit asking myself the same question. You would think Army Logistics are affected by fleet size and ports being available right? Well, no actually i guess!
In my current US campaign i fully surrounded Germany, they had Bohemia and Southern Germany left, no ports in europe at all anymore and they still somehow had a giant army that gets supplied through my conquered territories i guess xd. Really wish you had some control over land armies, there was territory next to me with 0 army force but my land armies decided to just not walk in there for 20 years
18:57: Oh My Giddy Maiden Aunt! Such as great duel and you didn't hit the Ship Stats button. Sigh. Poor Sulla, her last accomplishments lost by a cruel world.
You might as well put torps on aggressive on your small ships since they get targeted so fast
14:00: Colón was doing well hitting the slower transports, and sinking four so far. But Irrequieto is faster and harder to hit, though just as unarmored.
Brother saying glorious : me in 240p to save Internet
If you are going to be out numbered with massive fleet screens, maybe sticking with the 8 16s (or moving to 9 in triples) and focusing on having a heavy secondary battery on the next Battleship class would be a good idea? Also don't be afraid of deck mounted secondaries!
There is me listening to the music, then comes a thought into my head, Max Geldrey and the Goons, don't ask me why.
20:19: I look at that THING and wonder, were are the three other 2.3" guns. I can see one mounted on a barbette forward, utterly pointlessly, but where are the rest? The 3.4" is on the deck behind the main tower. Are two of them in the notch between the secondary tower and the incorporated barbette with the Q turret?
These new 7000 ton DD Hulls are very fun but holy moly you can make them PRICEY xD my DDs in my Italy campaign ended up costing like 3.5 billion each cause of engines and tech, they can be very fun but otherwise are so not worth it, enemies get like 25000 victory points for sinking them and they get constantly matched against light cruisers cause of their size and even heavies sometimes
46:39 you have them surrounded now.
We need to start giving out hazard pay to destroyer crews
23:53: So Urdaneta sinks, sad, and I'm looking to see which of the Italian light cruisers should get the credit, which did more damage? But it appears Urdaneta took 36k and each of Attilio Regolo and Muzio Attendolo did 18K. So, no individual credit.
43:35: Oh, you're STARTING to thin them out, you're just not very far along.
On the Celedon question, for "ca", "co" and "cu" it sounds as a hard c, almost as a k, while for "ce" and "ci" it sounds like a soft c, with a similar sound to the "th".
Depending on the region it may even be a z for the soft c
Cruisers in the Aegean
Noticias Marítimas y Mundiales de Cádiz
10 March 1935
The Vigilante, lead of her class of Cruçeros de tercera clase, from the Cagliari Estación Naval on the Island of Sardinia, was operating in the Aegean Sea looking for ships of the Regia Marina when she spotted funnel smoke to the north. Closing on it, she soon sighted the Caio Mario class Incrociatore leggero Cornelio Silla. Turning enough to open her broadside, Vigilante opened fire with all ten guns. Cornelio Silla returned fire with her three 6.2” guns. They began exchanging Italian 6.2” shells for Spanish 6” shells, but Vigilante was doing more damage.
Cornelio Silla was soon listing to starboard, flooded amidships in one of her engineering compartments, she was also taking on water fore and aft. Her steering was shot up, fires were burning, and 240 casualties were reported. Cornelio Silla sank.
Vigilante took 1 casualty. Losses were not reported for Cornelio Silla.
40:10: A few 6" secondary guns????
10:02 Wow 6726t that is an obese dd that's actually bigger than contemporary cls think that's the biggest dd I've ever seen
Looking at the large skirmish with the 16" battleships, even though the large calibre guns performed well I think a decent sized secondary battery (6.5-8") would have definitely helped against the great blobs of Italian CLs
Yes, I think I need to have them accompanied by some of the San Ceres to clear out the escorts
@@BrotherMunro yes the only issue which you've addressed before is the AI loves to pick on the weakest ships, would the San Ceres be able to withstand the attentions of their battleships?
@@mrhipbone they can take a hit or two but that’s all
@@BrotherMunroYou can't guarantee that ship combinations will stay together, so it might be prudent to beef up the secondary battery, anyway.
Triple gun turrets on a DESTROYER?
Pew pew!
So Munro. What must I do to get you to build a Nelson or KGV style ship?
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The AI is clearly unable to manage a big fleet. They look like a herd
I don't know what kind of music that was but that was not that sweet jazz music I was expecting.
It’s Spain so why not some generic classical guitar music? (Which always makes me think of Dwarf Fortress 😅)
The Spanish BC Algeciras is in flash fire (50:22)