Kalmyk Loop Knot - How to Tie the Kalmyk Loop - ☠ Beware of Danger When Tightening ☠
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- Kalmyk Loop Knot - How to Tie the Kalmyk Loop - ☠ Beware of Danger When Tightening ☠
The Kalmyk Loop is certainly a very good loop knot to learn. However, a little word of caution, this knot can be dangerous is not tied property. I found that if you tighten and dress the knot up the wrong way, you end up with a slip knot.
I would recommend that you make yourself fully conversant with the shape of the knot. When you tighten it make sure that the shape of the Kalmyk Loops knot remains the proper shape.
I did read on one website that maybe the Kalmyk Loop Knot would unseat the dominance of the Bowline. I am not sure that it will and to be honest I still prefer the Imitation Slipped Bowline: • Imitation Slipped Bowl... as a loop knot that is slipped.
The Kalmyk Loop is easy to tie and also relatively easy to untie even if it has been under load.
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Brilliant video. I couldnt get why sometimes it was working for me and orher times just doing a dangerous slip knot vetsion! Now i know 👍
Thanks for explaining the key part which is tightening the knot. I've used this knot for years without failure until recently when some started slipping for the reason you describe. It never happened before so I was puzzled why it suddenly started to fail. A great quick-release knot that doesn't snag on release (unlike a bowline on a bight).
It is funny how you do something over and over, then suddenly one day your forget what you were doing??? I remember once after years and years of getting in a car, I thought how do I actually get in? I then had to relearn which way was best, bum first or left foot first (UK vehichle).
@@KnottingKnots some processes are automated by the brain. And when you actually think about them, it's turning them from auto to manual. Which sometimes is not the best idea. For example have you ever thought how you are breathing?
@@LaserTractor Funny you should say that..................... I once thought about how I get into the car, I did not know if I put my foot in first or did I park my bottom first??? For days afterwards, I was experimenting to see which way I actually did it 😉 😉 😉
I learned this knot yesterday. What a great knot! I had no idea. It's fun to tie, too (once I got the hang of it). Thanks for the video.
For years, I couldn't figure out what was going wrong. Didn't use it because of that. Thanks for solving the mystery. Thanks from Texas, old chap.
You were not the only one!!! Now that I know, I struggle to demonstrate the flaw of this knot. You may be interested in the Imitation Slipped Bowline, I prefer this one: th-cam.com/video/-ZsPYA9aaGE/w-d-xo.html
Great explanation of this knot and comprehensively explains the difficulty in tying it correctly, hardly any videos explain the sensitive tying method and I wonder how many people think they've tied this properly when in fact they haven't.
Yes, I think that is a huge issue with this knot. My personal go-to knot is the Imitation Slipped Bowline, which I use all the time: th-cam.com/video/-ZsPYA9aaGE/w-d-xo.html
@@KnottingKnots If you pull to the left as you are dressing the Kalmyk knot it does to some extent prevent it from incorrectly forming. What I love about it is the speed with which it can be formed. The Imitation Slipped Bowline is also a good knot but takes longer to create. I'm a big fan of knots that can be tied quickly, usually there is less margin for error.
I love this knot and it was very difficult to find a good demonstration prior to this.
I think the problem with most other demonstration, is that they are too fast. Also I did not see anywhere that really addressed the safety issue. This one is so very close to the Initiation Slipped Bowline also.
@@KnottingKnots th-cam.com/video/o_jq_Dwk8h8/w-d-xo.html
Thank you very much for the link, off to have a look and a play. At first glance it looks very much like the cowboy bowline.
@@KnottingKnots yes, but only "at first glance". It's similar to an Eskimo Bowline, but not the same. KB was designed for quick unleashing. Try it. I think you do not understand Russian. There are detailed explanations of two related knots in the video . The next knot is the so-called Skiff(skifofskoy) . Sailors use it to fishing tuna by binding a small ship( sckiff) to net. This knot (loop) was chosen because of the speed of formation and easy decoupling.
The Kalmyk knot (loop) without a release loop is called "the Cossack knot" (also similar to an EskimoBowline ( in the start of film)
@@KnottingKnots I beg your pardon. I gave the wrong link. Already fixed.
Great video. I struggled FN up this knot for days until I watched this video.
Yes, it can be a little awkward till you understand that you are pulling this one up wrong. Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
Thank you for showing the working end every time you begin your videos. Other knot video makers need to take some tips from you.
Thanks for your kind words. Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
Looks like a good QR ridgeline knot 👍
Yes, it is really fast. once you understand the problem related with this knot, all will work well. You may also be interested in the Imitation Slipped Bowline: th-cam.com/video/-ZsPYA9aaGE/w-d-xo.html I use this one all the time and never had an issue with it.
Excellent presentation! Thanks!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
The bank robbers knot is my favorite quick release hitch...
May I suggest that you look at the QTaR Hitch, this is a little more secure, but quick release also: th-cam.com/video/ypRd8e3VfvA/w-d-xo.html
@@KnottingKnots interesting take on the highwaymans. Thanks for tip!
interesting knot. my favorite, however, would be a truckers hitch, or for a loop on the end of a rope, I would use a Perfection loop, I just like it. I'm a retired army combat medic, and those simplified my life a lot. thanks for the video. I've never seen this knot.
I wonder if I can interest you with the Imitation Slipped Bowline: th-cam.com/video/-ZsPYA9aaGE/w-d-xo.html I am not saying it is better, but I do use this one more than the others now. Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
This Kalmyk loop is very similar to an Eskimo bowline (EB) if a loop is made at the tail of the working end - thus making your EB a quick release knot -which is then passed through the locking loop as the final step in the EB before tightening. The advantage to this quick release Eskimo bowline over the Kalmyk is that the danger you identify in tightening the Kalmyk is not present with the EB. Can you tell me of any advantage the Kalmyk might have over the QR Eskimo Bowline, because I don’t see it.
Many thanks for sharing that information. I will heave to look further into this, but one advantage of the Kalmyk is (I was told) that it can be tied without having access to the ends of a rope. I really must go back and look at the Eskimo again, as I learnt it and then forgot it. Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated. Are you more of a practical or decorative knotter?
The disadvantage is that if you just tie an eskimo bowline with the QR slip, you’ll find when you pull the slip that there’s still a knot (a figure-8) in the rope and it’s still tied to whatever you tied it to. The Kalmyk version comes completely undone when you pull the slip free.
Thanks
Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
I'm searching for knot but I can't find it anywhere. I'd like to make an auto locking knot to join 2 ropes, for example, tying a shoelace so I can make it tight and when I release it, it keeps tight
In comparison to a bowline I terms the bowline can be easily tied in hand without the working end being wrapped around an object...the kalmyk is much easier to tie when the working end is wrapped around an object for tension but it is a real pain to tie in hand without it being wrapped around a pole or something...any feedback would be appreciated
Excellent 👍
Thank you! Cheers!
Khalmyk loop knot comes from Khalmyk Mongols - one of many ethnic groups from Mongols. This knot have been used widely in Mongolian nomadic herders. thnks
Many thanks for the information, it is always good to learn more about knots. Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated. Are you more of a practical or decorative knotter?
Yes only correct answer here. In western Mongolia we tie our horses to the wood like this way. So that our horses don't get away. Because some horses can untie simple knots easily.
Very clear exposition using easily viewed yellow rope. Much appreciated.
It’s actually a horse tying knot from Mongolia. Kalmyks are a Mongolian people living in Caucasus. My guess is kalmyks serving in Russian navy spread this knot in the Russian navy, hence coming from Russia.
Today any child living on the Mongolian steppe can tie it. Also I see the same mistake I was doing when I learned it. When we tie our horses we usually give more rope to the working end, so there’s a larger bite and longer pull. Otherwise the horses can get loose. And since we have no stables and large fences around the horse will run free for miles until it’s herded in
That is a good explanation, are you from that part of the world?
@@MonotonyTV Indeed. My father taught me how to tie this knot just before I started school. And every summer I would travel to my uncle's "pasture" and learned the herder's trade.
@@dbuyandelger Back to a place where there was no Xbox, just a great time doing something practical.
@@KnottingKnots yup. Back then no xbox and not even electricity. In hindsight it was very healthy for my sleep cycle.
I have been using this for a long time... You saw me use it in drag hitch and the axle hitch.... Amazed you just now found this lol
Actually I did see it on your site when researching, but also saw it on a Bushcraft site, where he hinted at the danger of pulling it up wrong, but did not show it. If you want to, I can put a link to your video in a comment, or you can?
No thanks... My vids were purely for friends at work that cannot tie a rope.... I would be grateful though if you would cover the Zeppelin loop on how you can adjust the tag end and how the loop can be made to a very exact size... It has not been done anywhere on youtube... (I do not have the time to do it for my mates)
It seems that if you passed the working end through the loop, after tying the knot, you would avoid the danger as the loop would squeeze the end of the rope as the wrong side was pulled, locking it down and keeping it from pulling through. If I am understanding the knot correctly. Let me know if I am wrong, please.
Is this the same as the mooring/painters hitch? Or are there slight differences?
Great video, nice knife. What brand is it?
It was a guy on the east coast of Florida called Johnny Dollar, best damn pool shooter I ever knew. A cool name similar to yours.
That is the Myerchin, you can find out more about it here: igkt-solent.co.uk/knotting-tools/
Oh yeah sorry, forgot to thank you for leaving a nice comment. ;-)
Something wrong there , never had one slip and a half hitch or two + through the slip loop with the standing end traps and really disguises it .
This video shows that the knot is dangerous if it is tied improperly. The part of rope wrapped around the object is the part where the mistake can be made. See abiut minute 5 for more details.
The kalmyk is known to be easy to tie in extreme cold with t thick gloves .
So, a half hitch followed by a slip knot.
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what does that do , that 2 half hitches+slip at the end, doesn;t do?
Not sure what you mean?
@@KnottingKnots it has this fatal flaw, it seems like there are several other knots that can serve the same purpose, is there some reason to keep using kalmyk in spite of its potential to collapse?
@Larry English Yes, I totally agree with you! Personally, if I want a good reliable Slipped Loop knot, I go for the *Imitation Slipped Bowline* : th-cam.com/video/-ZsPYA9aaGE/w-d-xo.html
My understanding is that the main advantage to this knot is that it is a quick release knot that can be tied while wearing mittens or heavy gloves.
Yep that is true, the down side is that it needs to be dressed correctly, otherwise could fail. Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
Thanks for all the great videos!
Top of my Page 04/04/2022 07:46 flaws and all!
It just goes to show that YT does help a channel in whatever way it can. Thanks for letting me know.
Can't say I like this knot, too easy to mess up
Yep, that is true, but can I introduce you to the Imitation Slipped Bowline: th-cam.com/video/-ZsPYA9aaGE/w-d-xo.html I personally use this knot the most.
Thank you for saying this. Fuck!
If you attempted this knot when trying to secure a boat, using your method, it would be the best way I know to risk cutting your hand off as you are already tangling yourself in the rope.
Further this knot is really an Eskimo bowline with a quick release and an easier and safer way to tie this, especially when attempting to secure the load to form a bend just like you would do if you were preparing to tie a sheet bend, then with the working end finish the knot as you would do with the other rope with a sheet bend the working end is bent back the way it comes from, then it forms a quick release and strengthens the tie.
Note, start with a bend not a loop. If you were an Inuit [Eskimo] you would do it this way to fasten a load as it enables the loop to be pulled fairly tight around the loaded object while keeping tension on the loaded object on the sled before completing and thus locking the knot. Supposedly this was observed by the Arctic explorer, Sir John Ross [1777 - 1856] and brought back on a Inuit sled, now in the basement of the Museum of Mankind, London. It seems to stand up more securely when securing those kind of loads to a sled than conventional bowlines would, and the Inuits should know. Keep your fingers and hand clear of any parts which could tighten unexpectedly and cut your appendages off. This method avoids the dangerous slip tendancy where the knot it tightened incorrectly.
I am kalmyk, I use this knots a lot, learned from my father........
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Johnny Debt I use for horses
ZERO reason to use over a bowline with the danger of making this a slip knot.
There are too many videos out there that are not highlighting the issue. My go to loop knot is the Imitation Slipped Bowline: th-cam.com/video/-ZsPYA9aaGE/w-d-xo.html Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
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*Russian Sliped Bowline.*
You talk so much that it's hard to follow what you're doing
.......... and that is why I made a no chat series 😉 😉 😉 th-cam.com/play/PL7nysDkNnZHc0Tba3EGCagrhA44Mu-MjO.html
A bowline with a quick release bight would be the better option no?
I am not a great fan of the Kalmyk Loop, my preferred one is the Imitation Slipped Bowline, which I use all the time: th-cam.com/video/-ZsPYA9aaGE/w-d-xo.html but as you say, this can also be done with the Bowline. Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
it's also fast to undo
Yes it is!! I personally go for the Imitation Slipped Bowline, I find this to be a good reliable slipped fixed loop: th-cam.com/video/i1KSZfSGEPg/w-d-xo.html
I wanted to love this knot, but as you point out, the locking bight wants to slip out. Even after tightening firmly as you suggest, if I forcefully and repeatedly expand the loop, the locking bight will work its way out. Can someone confirm this - hold the main loop in two hands and forcefully pull the legs in opposite directions. Watch the locking loop and tell what you see.
I’ve had the same slipping using a cord :-/
Калмыки - это монгольский народ. Это древне-монгольский узел. У другого монгольского народа -- бурят-монголов он известен как _узел тонто._
Thanks for taking the time to share this information, I always love to hear about knots and cordage being used in action!
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I don't recommend using this knot.
because if you tighten it wrong you have a problem?
a kind of suicide knot!
Yes, I personally prefer the Imitation Slipped Bowline: th-cam.com/video/-ZsPYA9aaGE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=N-S2Y-Oj4kNz77IX Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
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