Sack Knot - Miller's Knot - Bag Knot - How to Tie Up a Bag
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- Sack Knot - Miller's Knot - Bag Knot - How to Tie Up a Bag
In this video I will demonstrate how to tie the Miller's Knot, the Miller's Knot (2) the Sack Knot and also the Bag Knot.
Actually the Bag Knot constricts better than the other knots and therefore makes an extremely good Miller's Knot.
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Loads more *Practical and Decorative Knots:* th-cam.com/play/PL7nysDkNnZHcSQ2LPviaOYshZs53PUYTE.html
I made a nice variation of the Bag Knot with quick release. It's also in the google folder. i.imgur.com/NKyf6wu.jpg
No boredom here. I love the organization and side-by-side comparison. Thanks very much.
JD: you are hands down the best teacher of knots on the web. So clear, so well explained and very clearly demonstrated. Thank you.
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Yet another easy-to-learn knot! This is a significant improvement to how I've been doing it all this while when tying bags and sacks. More aesthetically pleasing, secure and easier to undo. Thank you!
Thanks much. I love your demonstration That's clever, fancy and neat but slow.
However, something was lost that had been preserved from old testament times until the 1900s. That was the original "Miller's Knot." My Dad, Grandpa, Uncle and neighbors all had roots in northern and eastern Europe. They all tied a very simple, functional and QUICK "miller's knot" by holding the string, twine or cordage in the same hand that choked the bag. With the other hand they wrapped twice going over the thumb and once going under the thumb.Then they'd simply pull the end through with the thumb and pull it tight. It held until pulled from one end and unwrapped. Uncle Larry and his boss Sherman Sellman at the Shafer Feed Mill tied six sacks a minute and they never failed to hold grain, ear corn or ground feed in gunny sacks or burlap bags.
is that a barrel knot? I think that's how you make it
My father used this knot and I’m trying to find a video of it.
Not boring! Very informative ,thank you!
Thanks for the extra at the end. Very useful in trying the sack if sunflower seed for my feathered friends! Keep up the great work!
Most important of all, you are in a small way looking after nature!!!
Wonderful. Expertly explained and varianted. Better than most!
Clear explanations. Really useful knots. Watching a miller ( or the fellow who works for him, anyway ) throw that knot on a sack in a second is impressive. Nothing like practising a few hundred times a day to build speed.
Yes, sometimes you watch people tie knots and the speed of execution is rather impressive. Somebody showed me this: th-cam.com/video/vWYgcgkreoI/w-d-xo.html
I’ve learned so many knots this summer from these videos. I am in your debt. Greetings from norther Canada.
I take it then, that you might be getting hooked on knots? Good to see you back again Mike.
Interesting, the bag knot is one of my go to hitches aka the spar hitch.
I also use this as a form of constrictor knot. Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
Hi there from Switzerland ..
Not boring at all. Very well demonstrated .. thank you.
Take care ..
Hello Switzerland, are you on lock down also? Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment.
The last knot is badass! Thanks for the info.
These knots are so closely related to the Clove hitch that they came over for Christmas dinner. 😄
Happy New Year to you!!!
Actually, a variation of the clove hitch is the *constrictor knot* which would have fit in nicely here.
@@martin.feuchtwanger the final (5th) knot here IS , I believe, the so called Constrictor Knot. (It is different from the first 4 knots displayed). .
sack knot is the one I use for my sail bags, with the bight at the end.........easy to undo when whet. Thanks for the demo
Thanks for taking the time to share this information, I always love to hear about knots and cordage being used! I learnt this knot many years ago and thought it was the constrictor knot. Even now I use this knot instead of the constrictor.
Well done and very clear1 A plus presentation. The fact that the ropes are patterned and each is bicolored is immensely helpful in making clear what goes where.
Still loving these vids.
Thanks for the clearest knot vid that I've seen on youtube. Don't know how I missed you til now but I'll be watching in future!
EXCELLENT!
I was looking for a way to tie up my reuseable bags from the bulk goods bins at the grocery store. Your video was absolutely perfect! Thank you very much!
Not boring, very informative. In today's world with bungee straps and webbing knots or hitches are becoming a lost art.
Not boring! Great. Loved seeing all the variations.
Thanks Tracy, I find that no matter what video you make, there will always be someone that is not a fan!! Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
Nice clear demonstration.
Johnny I sincerely want to thank you for all the knots you are teaching. Thank you.
Glad that you like them Robert. If you really get into it, prepare yourself for a path of torture. The mind, trying to remember them, your fingers, they will hurt too. Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
You’re far from boring Johnny. We appreciate what you do , we enjoy your lessons learning the ropes so to speak .
........... I have also been told I have gay hands! Glad that you like the videos.
I am a rigger and I use very few knots I can tie them by mussel memory so when I see the way you very the knots it opens up a new understanding on how to prove a knot from sight. This is something I have worked on especially when teaching a new rigger. I need to know their knot will not get us killed as this is a reality in this trade. We are at risk from the moment we start the job one failure can end it for us and the damage can cost unlimited as the cascade effect takes hold. So the more we know the safer it is for all. This does not even open the cargo with the Marines running about shouting and becoming a bother.
Jimmy Gray “running about shouting and becoming a bother” sounds like most people in my life 😉
Thank you for sharing yet again. I do enjoy your presentations and you do them very well.
If you are thinking of hanging your sack, maybe look at the Sack Lift Knot: th-cam.com/video/bge2aqGTjMo/w-d-xo.html Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
Well done, sir.
EXCELLENT video! Well done,
Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated. Are you more of a practical or decorative knotter?
Best video on this knot hands down. What a fantastic teacher. Subscribed. Thank you, Johnny!
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Never gave much thought to Knots before, but now i'm so excited i'm subscribing.
All I can say is.............. sore fingers lay ahead of you!! Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
Awesome!
I always thought the very last way was the constrictor knot, I still use it today as a constrictor knot!!!
You are the best knit instructor on utube!! Never boring!!!!! I can do knots for hours with you...which I have...lol
Yes I am the best!!! ;-) Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
Your never bore us. Ur crystal clear in teaching. Thanks for the videoes JD
I appreciate that!
great teacher!
I very much enjoy these videos because I'm a seasoned knot person and when I see your videos it's done in such a way that I can really relax to it, and I really enjoy it very much.
Glad that you are getting more than a "how to" from my videos. Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
Sir! Thank you very much!! :D
Not boring! Interesting!
Yes! You are quite correct. Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
Fun and useful as well!
Very clearly presented. Bravo.
Glad that you liked it!! 😉 😉 😉 Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
That 3rd one (Sack knot) is the same as a Ground-Line hitch, and the 4th one (Bag knot) I've been referring to as a Spar Hitch... It's amazing how many variations on the clove hitch there are after the crossover.
And all very similar to the constrictor knot. Why don't use the constrictor knot? Because the constrictor knot is more difficult to open again? Or?
A constrictor knot can be so difficult to untie that you may only be able to release it with a knife!
You don’t bore us. I thank you for teaching me the science of knots.🙂
That is so good to hear, thanks for saying this 😉 😉 😉
Thnxs for uploading and sharing
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That one is in the bag!!
Yep, also a good little knot to know for general purpose stuff too.
Great job Johnny! Thank you.
Time for you to get off my channel, as I have seen your work! Too Goooooooood. ;-)
Johnny Debt well you taught me, so it’s all your fault 🤣
Love it. Beauifully done.
It took me 58 years to realize that I need to know this. Great, useful stuff.
Glad it was helpful! You may also like this knot for tying up a sack: th-cam.com/video/Jh5sCW9-1EM/w-d-xo.html
Perfect. no boredom sir, very very informative, watched over a half dozen times so I get it. Thanks for vid.
Glad it helped. Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
I enjoy these videos very much such a layed back style makes it easy to relax and learn.
Glad you like them! Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
Thank you!!! You made it all perfectly clear, even for me!!!
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Not boring at all. Riveting. I love it. 😁
Yeah, I have a fan!! Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
Certainly not boring, excellent presentation.
We live in a world where we are in such a rush, knots is one thing that helps me to slow down. Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
@@KnottingKnots been practicing this morning, couldn't agree more re pace of life, I lose myself in gardening and keeping bees.
@@davidweale9621 YES, love that you are keeping bees, often thought of doing that. Try net making, sitting out in the sun, dog snoring next to me, as the net gets longer. The nets just end up hanging on the back of my door, but just love the process.............Oh yeah, gardening sucks ;-)
@@KnottingKnots Give bee keeping a go, I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
Re gardening well we can't do everything. All the best.
Great presentation -- thanks.
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Very clear well presented
Thanks for the comment Mac, you may also be interested in this way of tying up a sack: th-cam.com/video/Jh5sCW9-1EM/w-d-xo.html
A great little useful knot well explained. Many thanks
Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated. Are you more of a practical or decorative knotter?
Hi Johnny, glad you like my comment.
I'm definitely a practical knotter and this little fella gets daily use neatly tying up my charger flexible leads. 👍
Very helpful, thanks.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
As a farm kid that got “miller’s knot” lessons from Dad and Grampa nearly sixty-five years ago, it seems to be a knot with many relatives.
I bet that you have some fond memories flooding back when you tie certain knots?
Keep up the good work and make excellent videos. You've helped me tie knots that I wondered about for a long time.
Some are good to see once, yet others become a part of your knotting arsenal. Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
Excellent. Very useful.
Glad that you liked it, have you seen this one at all? th-cam.com/video/Jh5sCW9-1EM/w-d-xo.html
You're not boring me, that is for sure. I find knots to be interesting! You show how to do them well. I have a list of your knots that I have learned and practice so I can commit them to memory. About a dozen so far. 😀
I personally find that you do not need to learn them all, or too many. Unless of course you are thinking of creating a knotting channel 😉 😉 😉 I have a few knots that I use all the time, then every so often I will find one to add, or replace a knot. Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
@@KnottingKnots Well ya know, when one retires they find their amusement where they can. 😂
Of course you are right. I've probable have a knot for most of the things I will find to use them for now. I use the bowline and truckers hitch all the time putting up a cloths line and I will be using the sack lift knot when I start brewing beer using all grain and the brew in a bag method. The bag gets heavy but I have pulleys to lift it out of the kettle. And everyone should be able to join rope together. It's just cool to know these things.
I feel so knotty now!
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@@KnottingKnots I'm always tying knots for things , hauling loads, holding stuff down , keeping women from escaping...
Some of the best visualization and articulation in the art of knot tying that I’ve seen. Well done. Of course, those of us from the States think that your version of English is way off. 🙄😁
You do a great job of showing how to weave the knots.
That is cos I am the best 😉 😉 😉 Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
Same as a constrictor knot but well explained and easy to understand.
Wonderful, another wonderful video
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Great video, and a very useful knot. Thanks, especially for the quick tie method at the end!
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@@KnottingKnots For sure. I've already incorporated it into my household for tying up bags of rice and chicken feed. I was using some kind of modified surgeons knot I think.
Great video. I would have liked to have seen a comparison of these knots to a constrictor knot to see the difference.
I will let you into a little secret, in the very early days I did a video on the quick tie method of tying the constrictor. It was a very popular video and ran for many months, then someone noticed I had tied the sack knot and not the constrictor!! I must say that the last way shown in the video, I still use now as my general constrictor knot. So for me it works well compared to the constrictor knot.
This type of knot is always harder for me, because I’m left-handed, so I’m more comfortable with the standing end coming from the right, and the working end in my left hand. I always wonder if the mirror-image of some knots counts as the same knot, or does it have a different name? Also, some Army instructors will get SERIOUSLY bent out of shape if you tie a left-handed bowline. 😇
I wonder if you are talking about the same Bowline? There is a cowboy bowline, where the working end is on the outside of the loop. I often hear people say "NEVER on my vessel!" Yet whenever I ask why, nobody can give me a good answer. I personally tie it now to annoy people. ;-)
the last one is a constrictor knot
I tried to tie a bag up but she said it would cost extra.
I'll try these and stick with my favourite. Thanks Johnny
Did you pay? ;-) I personally use the very last one as my all-purpose constrictor knot. The only reason is, that years ago I thought it was the constrictor knot.
a very useful knot, could be used as a nice hitch too.
Personally I use the very last one as my constrictor knot, just make it up and it is ready to slip over any work.
In terms of symmetry, I definitely prefer the bag knot which seems to be the best one to pre-tie with.
Good explanation pleasant accent.
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I'm tying my sack with this from now on.
But not too tight
If you are thinking of hanging your sack, maybe look at the Sack Lift Knot: th-cam.com/video/bge2aqGTjMo/w-d-xo.html Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
Cool
Me or the video? Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
The last pre-ttied knot refers to the figure 8 over the standing end.... Should be over the working end
With these type of hitches I like to think in terms of variations on the simple clove hitch. If you know that clove hitch, then simply compare each variation to the basic clove hitch and you start to see the beauty of it all. In the case of the bag knot, it's closer to the constrictor knot but because it goes over that main loop it is not a constrictor. The Ashley's 154 Picket-Line hitch is very close to this bag knot just the working end comes through on the left side instead of the right side of that last tuck under first loop. BTW, it was a little confusing at first looking at your last bag knot because you slipped it on the pipe upside down relative to the original bag knot you tied. No big deal but it made me rewind a few times to see what was really happening. If you start off with the working end to your left before doing that figure eight shortcut, then the final knot comes out right side up or matching your original bag knot tie.
Looks very similar to the constrictor, with some minor crossing changes. Suggestion: I really liked that you told us which knot was considered the most secure (according to Ashley's Knots). Maybe you could do a video comparing these similar types of knots and explain the pros and cons of each? (i.e. when might one use a bag knot vs. a millers knot, vs a constrictor). Cheers!
I did do them in order of security, but the information I had at hand, Ashley's etc. was a little vague. I personally think that these knots are ones that differed slightly from region to region?? I will admit that the last one is very quick to tie, I often use that one instead of the constrictor knot, it certainly never fails me.
That makes sense, and it does seem to be a bit easier to tie in smaller, stiffer, cord (like micro or nano cord). Great stuff, thanks!
I learned all knots in this way Miller's UOU (under over under) right ! Miller's Wife knot UOU middle! Sack knot OU right! and Bag knot OU middle !!
Nice video, although it would have been nice if your piece of pipe was vertical as that would have been the angle one would be tying a sack from.
Yes, you are probably right! However, I do have a habit of letting the the film format dictate the way that I tie things. Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
Don't bore me....I love your knot videos.
Thanks for dropping in and leaving a comment! Are you a practical or decorative knotter?
Johnny Debt Practical.....and it took me 66 years to start. I've watched a few TH-cam knot guys and I find yours the best for me to follow and learn. I appreciate your efforts very much.
Good to see you here Craig. If it is frustrating you now, don't worry there are bigger and better knotting projects that will frustrate you even more ;-) Looking forward to seeing your work when you are ready to show.
Is that last folded version the same thing as the constrictor knot for the bag knot
Thanks. But isn’t the slip over the end knot at the end of the video just a constrictor knot?
They are very similar, I still use this knot as very quick way of keeping my work together.
which is the tightest or lieast likely to slip of all 4 plus the constrictor knot ?
Hi John! Great video! I had a thought, could I add a loop at the end of the constrictor knot for easier untying instead of having to cut it out of a project? Sometimes it’s a struggle to cut the constrictor knot off. Just a thought. Thanks for sharing and your videos aren’t boring! 👍🏻👍🏻
Yes of course, I often forget about the little details when it comes to this knot. I actually use the very last method as my quick tie constrictor knot. For years I thought it was the constrictor knot, till someone pointed out it was not. Good to see you here again.
I wanna see some more knots specially the ones used for fishink
Fishing is another ball game, but yes you are right I must do some videos on that!!
Nice. I've always wondered if this has any advantage over the standard constrictor?
I is a little easier to untie. I personally use this over a constrictor.
Testing on my finger I feel like the constrictor knots squeeze much tighter.
Yes it is, I think with a sack, you would want it to be a little easier to untie.
@@KnottingKnots thanks. what you think about put the quick release on constrictor knot for quick release?
@@frankt9156 Yes, you could certainly do that. I mainly use the constrictor on decorative work, which ends up being covered by a Turks Head or something similar. So good that you are experimenting to see what works best for you.
You are a bit slow and repetitive for an experienced knotted but also clear and plain enough for all knitters to understand. You have a broad audience but I still come back for clear instruction. Thank you for sharing.
You are the master of your own keyboard, you can mute or play at 2x speed to ease your pain 😉 😉 😉 Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
Great video, Johnny! Can you tell me what kind (brand) of knife that is?
Thanks for leaving a comment. That knife is a Myerchin and you can see more info about it on my blog here: igkt-solent.co.uk/supplies/
I want to know what that knife is with the marlins spike on it? Your also a good instructor with knots. Thanks for the videos.
That knife is a Myerchin. Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
Sorry, forgot to put a link to where you can find out more about the knife: igkt-solent.co.uk/supplies/
Is it possible for the video to be made with the pipe vertical ?would that be helpful?Thanks
i really love the vids, great info, great demo. but that clock, i tkills m eevery time haha is that like a trademark of yours now? :D
I did a little while ago contact a cuckoo clock company and ask them if they wanted to sponsor me by having one of their clocks making a racket in the background. It fell on deaf ears! I would in the past try and time my videos so that the clock would chime during them. I then recorded it and during long boring bits I put it in the video. Also in some of the videos, if you are wearing headphones, you can hear the dog snoring. So to be very honest with you Marko, it is all an illusion. 😉
Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated. Are you more of a practical or decorative knotter?
im more of a 'practical' knotter for around the house/backyard, in the woods/camping, climbing... but i did a few decorative knots (easier ones) for key fobs and those zip pulls on bags
Are you able to show me any of your work, as I do love to see other peoples knot-craft or knotting solutions? You can drag and drop a photo here, please: bit.ly/yourknotwork
Hi, I am new to knots and have just discovered your channel which I think is brill. Am I right in thinking that these knots are variations on the clove hitch? All the best to you.
You will find that as you tie knots, you will see other simpler knots being formed in the process. Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
Hey jhonney how have you been I haven't talked to you for a while. This is a very cool knot and video. I will be making a knot video soon because I haven't made a vid lately.
Yes, I have to say that you have been a bit slack in making videos just lately!!! I guess that the pressure of school etc, gets in the way?
I was taught the Bag knot when I was about 10 years old, my job was riding on the combine while we were threshing oats the combine would fill one bag and then the alternate bag and when the bag was full my job was to tie the bag the way I did it was place the cord or twine under my thumb of my left hand with my hand around the neck of the bag the middle of the twine would go over my left hand ring finger around the bag back up under the ends of my fingers around one more time and up through the loop that was formed by my ring finger I did this in 1,2,3, moves once up through the loop and my ring finger you pull it tight I can this in about two seconds.
I am now 74 years old and it comes back to me, second nature without thinking about it
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Trust GOD
Yes, I do know that method, that is in my video queue and will be out shortly. Thanks for taking the time to view and also make a comment, very much appreciated.
Johnny, the Sack Knot is a Picket Line Hitch (contemporarily, a.k.a. Spar Hitch)?
I’ve noticed that the “Ends” of your cordage is tied very nicely with a string...sometimes I see the same thing but its done with a piece of tape...to keep the ends of the cordage from fraying. OK..How or where do I go to learn how to tie this very nice way to secure the end of a cord? I’ll look for an answer in my email. I enjoy all of your instructions!
Hello Larry, Common Whipping is what is used in the video. Then the more decorative, Sailmakers Whipping, used on 3 strand rope, and West Country Whipping can be found here: igkt-solent.co.uk/?s=whipping&x=0&y=0
You can also see some examples of whipping here: instagram.com/p/Bdr1LTOjfLE/?
I’ve been using a half hitch with an extra twist and it seems to work fine.
Most important how you untie
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the last one is a constrictor knot
Not boring. Where does the clove hitch land on the list of which is more secure?