Millennials aren’t uncool because they’re millennials, they’re uncool because they’re 30 and that’s how trends work. Gen Z isn’t annoying bc they’re Gen Z, they’re annoying bc they’re teenagers with internet connections. This is just horoscopes for boring people.
Succinct and accurate. If course I'm uncool. I have teenaged children. Why on earth did millennials think they were magically going to be The Youths forever. 🤷♀️
This whole generation war makes me feel like I’m sitting at dinner and my parents and siblings are screaming at each other over something pointless meanwhile I just want someone to pass the mashed potatoes.
i just wanna tell them all “you’re not the protagonist of the planet earth & one sole person can’t effect true social change on their own”. like...volunteer! donate to causes you believe in! participate (safely) in protests! you aren’t the main character who’s going to singlehandedly solve racism, you’re a 15 y/o white girl who lives in a connecticut suburb and thinks that subtweeting celebrities counts as activism
Their whole performative “what I would do if I lived during [insert oppressive era]” was a choice. Granted they were all kids and I know I did cringe things at their age but...that was a choice.
As a fellow Zennial, my thoughts exactly. What I find hilarious about this whole thing? Generations were literally invented by companies and advertisers to sell products better back in the 50s or so. That's why you don't hear about any generations older than the 1920s. Gen Z is playing a reverse uno card on themselves by caring so much about something they supposedly despise.
I’m 24, and my cousin is 16. We have the exact same sense of humor, political ideology, and disgust of generational divide. Proof positive that there’s no generations, just...people.
As someone who is also born in no man’s land (1996) I love this video so much. It’s so embarrassing to watch people fight over a made up concept. Just like when I was younger and millennial was the youngest generation- they always talked about on timblr how they’re the most progressive and “cool” edgy generation it’s literally just teenagers thinking their generation is the first one to work on social justice
I loved all of your points in the video but especially the part about "not everyone believes your highly personalized tik tok for you page" and the "get out of racism free" card because of being in Gen Z. I think it's really important to check ourselves regardless of age or perceived generation.
It's also a huge slap in the face when they say stuff like "ohhh gen z is making the change" in regards to standing up for POC oppression when in reality its mostly POCs themselves of all ages actually doing the work. Like sorry, I dont need some white dude to take credit for StopAsianHate when the whole Asian hate phenomenon doesnt even affect him.
@@irwinmier8878 As a mixed person who has dark enough skin to where I have experienced enough racial remarks towards my skin color, I wholeheartedly agree. (I believe my parental figure told me I'm more African American, but I'm still not sure, as I haven't taken a DNA test. I believe I did in the past as a toddler, but I don't remember anything. Am I able to say I'm black even though I'm mixed? I'm not sure.) And I'm a part of Gen Z. Sixteen years old. Even all of the way back, people of my color have been doing the work, as you've said. Even nowadays, it's people of *all* ages. It always has been. I hate to say it, but I believe every generation has a superiority complex. That's how it has worked forever, I believe. And I don't even believe in generations. It's not just Gen Z. Seriously, I was raised by my grandma, and she just loves to hate on my generation and talks like she's a God compared to younger people. I've ran into many adults just like that, too. But do I believe just because you're older than me you're the same way as her? No. I won't define you as a person by your age range. Some adults act like children, and some children act like adults (usually due to trauma, sadly.) In my opinion, at least. Either way, I'm tired of people of all ages thinking they're better than the other age range. Your generation doesn't determine rather you're better than the other. So many people shit on my generation that my self-esteem just worsens everyday, but so many people of my generation shit on other generations, that I can't imagine what they're going through as well. Nobody should be a jerk towards the other person when they don't even know them. I *loathe* it when people judge you as a person and themselves based on their generation/age.
@@DelilahDarling17It's definitely odd how they go so far as to base their own personalities on some imaginary label like a generation as well. And funny enough, some people on Tiktok pointed out that its mostly white people who are heavily involved in these identities. Like they don't have to worry about racial injustice since they are beneficiaries of privilege so they just invent conflict where its not needed.
*I think the inherent problem with generations is that* tropes can exist throughout many generations yet we act like certain generations are responsible for them. That’s why there’s always a cycle of older people in disbelief about newer pop culture.
Also calling Gen Z the first generation to rebel against the establishment is so weird. I mean everyone knows about the french revolution it's the most famous rebellion against authorities. And I dont know so much about American history but I could list countless examples where, in german history, the establishment has been challenged. Because thats how the world and social norms progress and develope.
The Founding Fathers, the Suffereget movement, the Civil Rights movement, prohabition, the Anti-War movement of the 1960s, the anti War movement of the 2000s… need I continue???
French Revolution was nowhere near of the same political tone like the ones gen z and millennials are talking about. Now it's socialist rebellion against establishment. French Revolution was a capitalist rebellion against monarchial establishment. I don't have to explain that capitalism is just monarchy that changed zip codes. It's still hierarchical structure of economy and society, it's just there's less bloodline family inheritance of power and wealth. But yes even socialist rebellions were done a lot of times and continue to happen all over the world as we speak. But I guess the world only notices if people in US start to talk about it.
I love your channel and you killed it, as usual! I’m always baffled at people being like, “older generations never cared about social justice issues.” I don’t know what y’all think the civil rights movement was but okay! Like, black folks existed in the past.
FORREAL like. The Stonewall riots happened in 1969, those people were boomers. The AIDS crisis began in the 70s, part of the tragedy of that is we've lost a huge chunk of the generation of lgbt+ ppl who would be elders today. Fuck, the YT to alt right pipeline targets a huge swath of young ppl bc those are a large part of the "spends a lot of time on TH-cam" demographic
Yes, like some grandparents were hippies and protested against war, racism, sexism, poverty, governement also there was people that helped gay people during Aids pandemy or of course Black Panthers activists that took actions against racism and the cruelty against black people. Sorry to sound like a "boomerr" but they spent more time protesting in the streets than time claiming how good and woke they are on Tiktok /twitter like for people nowadays.
Exactly, why do they think they have the rights they do today? Every generation has their own revolutions and activists. This is just a bunch of teenagers trying to feel special tho, everyone goes through that phase, so we shouldn't take it that seriously. It just seems more serious because this is the first "generation" of teenagers that share their whole life and opinions online.
I think it's just a matter of judging the past by the standards of the present. Just because there was more racism or homophobia in the past doesn't mean everyone back then was a raging bigot, it just means that a lot of the issues just weren't being discussed or resolved on a large scale yet.
Gen Z tiktokers talking about all getting the same tattoo has incredible tumblr during the late 00s/early 10s energy. Beautiful how history repeats itself
About progressivism increasing with generations: I’d be so curious to see what the dominant social narratives regarding boomers and gen x would be like if it weren’t for HIV/AIDS. The epidemic hit when these groups were in their 20s-40s, and primarily affected LGBT and POC communities, who were prominent activists during this time, with some even being old enough to have participated in the civil rights movement and rising queer rights movement. These activists laid the groundwork for so much of the progress we’ve made, but because they spent the last 20 yrs of the 20th century dying en masse, they never got to take credit for the outcomes, leading younger generations to believe they’re exerting more sociopolitical power than they really are (and painting a much more cishet, white, conservative portrait of boomers and gen x).
Another thing about those generations is that they dont tend to be intersectional at all. I am theoreticaly a millennial / zillennial i guess but I dont relate to a lot of the "common" experiences because I grew up rather poor and didnt had access to them. Thats why I find it silly when people make it their whole personality
Broke: generational warfare Woke: cross-generational friendships where we share our collective experiences and interests that defined our respective generations and enjoy each other's company
I also don't like how a lot of the current generation discourse also seems to assume everyone is American. The "do you remember 9/11" method of dividing the years seems to assume that every country regarded 9/11 with the same level of importance that America did, and a lot of the other ways people have tried to divide the gens also seems to assume that everyone is a middle class American.
That's why I don't really feel like Generations aren't really useful outside of the context of the US (at least, the more widely used categories). The book that spurred these Generations was written by someone born in the US in the context of living in the US.
White gen z's delusions during the protests last summer was quite alarming honestly. But this millennial/gen z beef is weird, and I only recently was made aware of it when I stumbled out of Black Twitter. Why are grown adults arguing with kids about fashion and an artist that most definitely need to see the inside of a prison cell, I'll never know. It's weird.
Buzzfeed: Gen Z is saying we can't wear skinny jeans they're so mean!!!! Me, who's too cheap/lazy to keep up with rapidly changing fast fashion trends: Y'all hear somethin?
Me. I do like that sweatpants are coming back as fashionable outside of the house and I love that baby tees are coming back as well but I’m not giving up my skinny jeans though. I wear both sweatpants and skinny jeans.
@@TheLeah2344 Lol man honestly I remember when skinny jeans became popular. As a curvy person I could never fit into them then or now. But I do love sweatpants. 👖👖👖
Are there any 2002 kids out there who thought they were millennials cause they took Buzzfeed quizzes written by them in middle school? But more seriously one of my biggest resentments about Gen Z being defined by sites like TikTok is that the things that are supposedly supposed to define our entire generation are overwhelming White, middle class and American.
I am a 02 kid and I always feel like I’m in the middle. Like I relate to teens at some point but there are cons as well. Same with millennials. I was a first year of high school with people who are millennials (they were all fun), who will hoax the basketball court, study like there’s no trouble, there were some boys who were absolutely talented in dance besides all of the girls, and then when I was in my last year of high school with people who are Gen Zs, aka the people who were wearing crop tops and skinny jeans, acrylic nails, streaks, you get the drill. No one who was my grade wore crop tops.
i just find it so funny how on one hand these passionate zoomers claim to be the most open, diverse and accepting generation but then they make fun of how people part their hair and what kind of jeans they wear and are generally just ageist
nobodys really saying that though ??? did you even watch the video lol. the point is that gen z/ millennial labels are unhelpful and don't mean anything - they were coined just divide us as a marketing tactic. the whole "they hate our hair and pants !!" thing was so clearly a millennial ploy for attention & relevancy. the annoying gen z trope is because gen z is TEENAGERS - and teenagers are pretty notorious for having superiority complexes & being snarky. the annoying millennial trope is because they're getting older but are letting kids get under their skin for whatever reason. literally nobody cares about your part or jeans, and someone commenting that you're "uncool" is not the same as racial/ gender-based/ sexuality-based prejudice. so that whole "they say theyre so tolerant but then they dont do things that are nice and good 100% of the time always ?!!?" point you can just throw right out the window lol edit: making generalizations based on something like this is just pointless. that goes for millennials & gen z - i don't care who is who, it literally is not a thing and im tired of people trying to pretend it is. if you're telling people what to wear: shut up. if you're telling people how they feel/ think: shut up. ftr i was born in 96
@@444-o2w bruh what?? Is julia a “passionate zoomer”?? I never said this is what she’s saying, it’s just an observation of another thing the people passionate about labels are doing. Didn’t even read your whole essay btw because you clearly missed my point entirely
As a millenial, I vividly remember a time when our generation went from "those poor kids are so overworked, omg they have to practically carry their lockers home with them, they better get their degrees" to "these kids are so lazy, all they want are participation trophies, wow you really decided to get a degree in [socially undervalued subject] instead of [socially overvalued subject]" to "wow they aren't spending any money for some reason???" It's just not worth it to care anymore...
"Stop wasting money on trivial things and maybe you'll be able to afford a house!" "Millennials killed another industry because they won't spend their money on trivial things!"
Thank you, I’ve always felt the whole generation thing was utter nonsense. It’s based on totally arbitrary cutoffs and judges literally billions of people based on paper-thin and historically ignorant stereotypes.
On one hand, I feel like Generations are valid in the sense that there are different historical milestones that shape someone's perception of the world. My perspective of September 11th is vastly different from someone who can actually remember a time before The War on Terror (albeit, this distinction will get less useful as more people born after the attacks come into existence), but they're not all that useful outside of that broader (and probably America-centric) perspective. Arguing about Harry Potter and skinny jeans feels ridiculous to me.
I've thought for a while that generational tension is almost engineered to prevent solidarity across age demographics. Young people have enthusiasm and energy that begins to fade with the disappointments and jaded spirit of age. They're less constrained by The Rules because they haven't had enough time to learn what can't be done so they're willing to be more creative and risk taking. Respecting their perspectives and ideas and valuing their energy and righteous anger (Eminem was already cancelled but don't mock young people who are just finding out all the shit things he's done. They should be mad) is critical to be able to productively work together. On the flip side, older people have valuable experiences and perspectives that can help support young people to harness and direct that energy is productive ways. There have been activists laying themselves on the line in *every* generation (including the Boomers, friends) and they have accumulated a vast wealth of experience that can save us time trying avenues doomed to failure. Short story, the power brokers aren't generationally defined and neither are those resisting. They're working together and so should we. Plus, millenials being concerned about being uncool is a cringy waste of your limited old person energy. 😌 Source: many years ago a Gen X activist explained this to me in the course of me learning to be useful and not fucking up our work. Now I'm nurturing teenagers I get it even more than I did before because I'm just so very tired and they're still so enthusiastic. 😅
I will add that defining millenials because of 9-11 is very centered in the USA. I am not saying it didn't make the news here, but we weren't as definined by it. Actually, other countries had different events that "defined a generation". These conversations, as so many others, show us once again that Americans have that mindset set on their own country and culture. Just the fact that they call themselves Americans is so self centered! As far as your point, I do agree. My age doesn't connect me to other people, my experiences and beliefs do.
the jeans and middle part thing is so funny to me because in my country mom/straight jeans and middle parts became trendy again in like... 2013 lol, not that i think scotland is the beacon of fashion, but it’s definitely funny watching 30 year old americans stress out over a trend that’s been around in this country for 8 years
My hot take is that as an Australian it annoys me how the z in “gen z” is normally pronounced with the American way of saying z and not the English/Australian way 😂
I honestly hope that "Zoomer" catches on because it sounds cool (certainly more catchy than "Homestead" or "iGeneration") and it will nullify the need to argue about pronunciation.
as someone who prefers short hair, i envy your commitment to making your long hair look that good. also, middle child solidarity from over here! may you always wake up and choose chaos as nature intended
As a middle child with a 30 year old sister and a 12 year old brother the idea that where your siblings fall decides your generation really just confuses everything
This whole thing is so American that most people in the UK don’t even know Gen Z is a thing. Also a lot of the TikTok’s are of white kids take that with a grain of salt.
The age of Gen Z gets younger regularly. I feel like in 2015, the cut off was firmly mid-90s, defined by whether you could actively remember 9/11. That guy who says 2003 counts as a millennial is on bath salts 🙄
It's actually the other way around, it was originally around 2000 (or even at late as 2003), then got moved to 1997, then got moved to 1996, then 1995.
Yep, I'm Millenial. I was born in 1992, but I don't also feel super connected to the term Millenial. But I'm annoyed how much "my generation" gets bullied by anybody born before me and starting by people born after me.
Hi Julia, this is a really good video! As an older millenial, I don't really care if Gen Z kids think I'm cringy or whatever, that's just like a teenager thing to think about 35 year olds. It's fine. But you make excellent points as to why relating everything to being born in a certain generation over more meaningful distinctions like race, class, etc. is at best pointless and at worst really harmful. I always get annoyed when people my age want to blame everything on Boomers... like, yeah, some of them are absolutely awful but it's so much more complicated than "everyone born between 1945 and 1960 is a piece of shit." IDK exactly what I'm trying to say, just that I really appreciated this video and keep making great content!
I was born in 1997 and tend to relate more with "younger millennials" than "older Gen Z" kids. My theory for why this is has, in part, to do with the fact that if you were born in 1997 you were part of the last group of people who were physical capable of remembering 9/11. I literally started forming memories in 2001 and can clearly remember watching the towers fall on TV and then the eventual news reports talking about troops being sent to the Middle East. It was a very distinct moment in my life, and obviously in the lives of other kids within a certain range of my age group. I think the concept of a generation is useful when analyzing how certain major events effect the way people view the world. I genuinely think people who can remember seeing one of the biggest tragedies of the 21st Century happen in front of their eyes have very distinct opinions on politics, culture, economics, etc., as opposed to those who weren't capable of internalizing such a heavy topic at the time. I think of the Greatest Generation as a distinct generation because everyone in that time frame experienced the horrors of both World Wars. The biggest thing tying Gen Z together isn't any arbitrary age range, but having shared experiences as a results of the 2008 Recession that are unique to their age group. I think that the underlying theme of generations, as an abstract concept, is about shared trauma bonding.
bruh it doesn't matter really, I'm 2 years older than u and we are in the same spot we are in our 20's, why it does it matter if u remember 9/11 or not? we are just twenty something people lol
@@olympe1996 Of course it doesn't matter, I was just putting my thoughts out there because this is a video discussing the concept of generations and it's fun to casually analyze and engage with these sorts of ideas every once in a while. It's a TH-cam comment, not a Times article.
I'm not sure if I have any strong memories of The 2008 Recession specifically, but I vaguely remember seeing Barack Obama inaugurated in the school auditorium (it was being projected on a screen) and growing up reading about how much Millennials were struggling made me lose hope for my future.
i really appreciate your thoughts on how things (like personality measures or labels to define your self) can be helpful if we use them as tools for introspection and self-discovery! i think that's honestly the root of a lot of label-creating; if it helps you, that's really cool. even if the original thing isn't necessarily scientific or "true" (like zodiac signs or enneagram numbers), people can make it into something meaningful.
I thought it was all american hence why boomers are related to american war feelings and money, and millennials are defined by an American tragedy etc etc
@@leahdavis9434 I mean, 911 did shake up everything in the world (world wide news reports, affected international travel, universal distrust of fellow humans), and WWI and WWII were of course world wars, so the world became unsure of the future (which led to the celebratory boom of babies). It’s not the effects on generations that I believe are uniquely American, it’s the way people act and the tiniest “relatable” things.
@@cataryad661 You're absolutely right. And even if you look at Pews reasonings, they include American elections like 08. Id probably say plenty of other western nations do it, but to the rest of the world, generation labels are not a thing.
when this whole "gen z saying that millennials aren't cool" thing started, i as a millennial had no horse in this race because i've never been cool anyway but at least now i get to know exactly what things i do are uncool
GOD yes, this idea that being racist, homophobic, etc is a trait that just magically disappears from the youngest generations and will be gone once old people die annoys me SO much. I have NEVER been surrounded by more right-wing a-holes than when I was doing my required TA hours in a high school while studying to be a teacher in my country. Anyway, loved the video. Everyone should just develop a personality and shut up about how old they are.
The whole love languages segment/video reminded me of a lesson in one of my business courses where we were given a group and a worksheet that required us to number a list of things to do after a plane crash. It was used to practice delegation and observe how people acted during group work/collaboration. Anyways, that was the day I learned that you're not supposed to leave the site of a plane crash because search and rescue will follow the flight path and the plane will be easily visible. You shouldn't stray from the plane and act out the plot from Lost with a random map you find!
Gen z are repeating the same mistakes that every generation before them has, believeing that because they have grown up in an echo chamber of their opinions that everyone in their generation thinks the same and that biggotry will die out with the previous generation and they don't need to do anything but just wait. You hit the nail on the head with them seemingly claiming things as their achievements when they should be looked at as achievements for people involved not a generation alive when it happened. I'm somewhere between millennial and gen z and it's been really uncomfortable to watch the discourse of cringe millennials fighting back and gen z acting like they don't care about anything but them making the same mistakes as the last for not just listening to some advice. Idk it's all stupid. This video sums it up perfectly and you look amazing! One of my favourite creators always makes me happy when I see you in the subscription box!!
This is an incredible video. I used to have this 'our generation is better mentality' but outgrew that and it's weird to see people take it to the extremes. Tik Tok is just like Tumblr from the 2014ish era while now Tumblr is more laid back. We're just gonna have to wait it out I think
I think the easiest way to determine “generational” divides (in the US specifically) is which traumatic events effected you and your peers the most. If you can remember the way things were before 9/11 and understand that a massive cultural shift occurred, you’re a millennial. And I’m not talking about remembering seeing it on TV or your parents/teachers talking about it either, I mean if you were cognizant enough to realize that things had truly changed. If you’re able to remember a time growing up where the US had not yet invaded Afghanistan, that makes you a millennial. If you had multiple active shooter lock down drills a year while at school, you’re Gen Z. I know that the 90s had Columbine and other gun related tragedies, but mass shootings defined Gen Z’s childhood and adolescence. The clearest memory I have of middle school is my English teacher coming out of his office to let the class know that a shooter targeted an elementary school less than an hour away from our town. From the time that I was in Kindergarten to Senior Year (2005-2018), 600+ people died in mass shootings according to Reuters’ time line. It’s also entirely possible that my entire high school peer group was just hyper sensitive to gun violence (we were based in an unsafe area and lost 3 students to shootings), but considering how many school aged kids protested/demonstrated during the aftermath of the Parkland shooting, I think it’s safe to say that the constant shootings have had an impact. I’d imagine that the next generation will live in the shadow of the pandemic. The last two gens have dealt with the ramifications of 9/11 and the war on terror, whether it was signing up to join the military as soon as they could in a flurry of patriotic emotions or hearing about the never ending wars is in the Middle East. I cannot even begin to fathom how Covid will affect future gens.
Ok but having these two strict categories leaves a huge group of people out. I remember 9/11 and the aftermath, but was arguably too young to have a good understanding of how the world was before. However, the whole school shooting as a common occurrence thing began when I was already out of high school, or maybe in my last few years of hs. So yet again, Zillennials are left out of the loop with no group to belong to.
baby yesssssssss, I love your videos soooo much - I loose it every time you upload a video, and I've watched all of your videos so many times - mostly in the background to distract myself from boring shit. Your personality is so sweet and your videos make me so happy. Your hair looks absolutely stunning today, those waves shouldn't be possible outside of fan art. Also your fashion sense is fantastic, the blue chequered shirt looks amazing on you. Please keep giving us videos, take care of yourself and stay safe. Lots of love Julia xxx
i know this is one of my favorite channels when i am constantly liking and unliking the video because i keep forgetting i already liked it every time julia has a good point
I feel like you’ve just put into words the tangled ball of frustration in my gut whenever it came to “generational discourse” and I can finally be free
I feel like generations are like the BMI thing, made to analyze greater trends and general society, incredibly flawed and most of the time given more weight than they deserve.
I love that you kept changing your hair from a middle to a side part lol. Also one more thing to be said about generations is that those supposed shared experiences (such as toys, tv shows, music) don't translate to the entire world, either because they were never popular in other countires, or because it took some time until they were. For example, I relate to a lot of those "only 90s kids will remember", even though I am from 2001, because things from the US took quite some time to popularize in Brasil. So not only are generations kinda useless, potentially harmful, and don't translate well between class, it is an intrinsically american idea, based almost entirely in american experiences and point of view, making a lot of americans seem not only kinda dumb, but very self-centered for believing so intensely on this idea.
Exactly! Plus, nowadays, certain shows aren't exclusively for people who grew up watching them on TV (especially now with streaming services). Edit: I should add that a lot of songs on my Spotify Year End lists released decades before I was born. Music definitely isn't bound by arbitrary generations.
Julia, I basically agreed with every point you have made. I have been saying that generations are made up for the longest time, and you saying they are and backing your statement up with quotes and excerpts from experts just validates how I feel about this whole thing. Its funny when people will say Zillennials are a made up term when Millennials and Gen Z are also made up terms, even funnier you provided a text from someone saying Millennials is made up. It's almost like, generations are made up by old white people with some sinister motive? Also something you didn't mention was how American the concept of these generation labels are. Specifically Gen X/Millennial/Gen Z etc. Many parts of the world don't even use these labels, or have their own generational cohorts like Japan and other Asian nations. I also find it to be a huge slap in the face when white teenagers credit themselves for the BLM movements in recent years when so many POC of all ages have been heavily engaged in the movement. It comes off very white savior-y to me. Like they just came in and decided that because they support the movement, they should be recognized as a whole, basically not amplifying or crediting the POC folks who put in the time and effort towards social change. That's just how I see it.
everything about this video was spot on. I'm also on the cusp and I grew up with rich people who had iPhones in 2011 whilst owning a single old Apple computer and a Nokia. class is gonna change how you grow up, absolutely
I'm actually cool with Gen Z's "criticism" of us. If the worst you see my generation do is use weird lingo and make questionable fashion choices ... as far as I'm concerned that's Utopia. Remember what we were criticizing Boomers for. Shit was heavy.
I LOVE your videos and this one was GREAT! The right amounts of serious and funny and the timing on the edits? Perfect. I agree with the idea of treating generations like we treat astrology: fun to think about but worrying when someone takes it too far.
you're so funny, I love this, and we're about the same age so I remember exactly the feeling when the shift from categorizing young people as millennials moved to the now gen z category
I went to college in a small Missouri town, and let me tell you there are still conservative young people. It has nothing do with gen z, and more to do with where you were raised, and how your parents raised you.
Yesss thank you! While obviously young and old people complaining about each other is nothing new, the whole generational divide just seems so prevalent nowadays. It's always felt so unconstructive and devoid of historical context, it's frustrating. Also, realizing I'm not subscribed to you despite having followed your videos for a couple years? Wow I'm dumb
teenage rebellion used to be so cool in the 90's (I was not back in that day but as far as I know) they got a great fashion sense and musical taste with a lot of pilosophical meanings like punk rock was anarchist against the queen of england, ska was for ending racism and so on, so to me teenagers nowadays needs to use they angry to make the world better not for ego bosting
So I’m 25 and I guess I’m considered a baby Millennial. I even heard that I was on the cusp of Millennial and Gen Z but this generation war is ridiculous. My only problem with the teenagers of today is when they disrespect anyone 25 and older just because we are older than them. I saw teens calling anyone born in the 90’s and before “ old “ and saying we shouldn’t be on Tik Tok. I admit that the Ok Boomer jokes were funny at first and I even made that joke with my grandma but after a while it got old. It should have stayed a joke and died out and not turn into a generational war. It’s not that serious. Also I’m tired of Gen Z claiming aave as Gen Z slang. It’s not. Stop claiming aave that was created by BLACK PEOPLE as yours. Gen Z teens think they are so much better than their parents when they aren’t.
@@beefar0ni I think it happened after they said Ok Boomer. They started taking it further and dragging everyone who is older than them. At first, all of us were laughing at Boomers and now the teens are laughing at all of us. I’m seeing kids on Tik Tok calling us 20 plus year olds “ old “ and making fun of the stuff we grew up with. 🤷🏿♀️
Every generation has thought that older generations suck. It isn’t a Gen Z thing, every generation has done that the only difference is that most people who are considered Gen Z are teenagers right now.
In my professional field, there is literally a widespread economic issue where retirement-age workers pulling a solid wage aren’t retiring and meanwhile administrators have figured out they can pay three Millenials for their full-time work as if they are each 1/3 of a person. I just want Gen Z to make an actual living wage, even though that will probably mean my generation gets to spend the rest of our lives hearing from both sides that we’re poor bc of how much we suck. 🥴
As someone who desn't use any social media (except Yutube if TH-cam counts as a social media) I had no idea that this generation war was a thing... Seems pointless.
the line you drew between the concept of generations and advertisement is so real like. it's the same reason why products are much more gendered nowadays than a decade ago. excessive market severing in late stage capitalism. i also feel like ppl treat generations with more "respect" than astrology for the same reason they blindly believe in gender roles or the construct of race: our biological age is real; sex is real; the varying physical characteristics humans can exhibit according to their parentage and the place they live in are real. what's not real is all the baggage we ascribe to these things. but it's so unthinkable for most ppl to separate the physical reality from the assigned stereotypes that we end up in this whole situation we have now. and another thing... i always thought it was stupid when adults told me that when i grew up, i would "understand". but something really shifts at 25, when your brain (allegedly) finishes forming. it's fucked up. it's not like you lose all your sense of fight and rebellion, bc there are things that are still wrong and enraging even when you're not a hyperactive teenager over-eager to pick a fight just to feel something. but it's just different. you realize your anger about certain things was pointless sometimes. but what sucks the most is that you also start to forget how it was, how it felt to be a kid. idk if other near-30-year-olds are as aware of it as i am, but i notice ppl my age dunking on kids for being cringy or stupid and i want to be like "don't you remember how it was when we were the kids?" but i don't really remember either. it's easy to think we were smarter, more logical kids, who made less mistakes and were less embarassing. bc we know better now and project our experient self into our past. and that's how every new "generation" ends up mocked by its predecessors... anyway. sorry for the long rant lmfao great video as always!
Should have known you were a speech kid! You're so well spoken and a pleasure to listen to in all your videos☺️ Also yeah for a long time "Millenial" was just "young kids today" I I remember being 13 and called a millennial, a lot of gen Z kids had been called millennials for the longest time. I remember hearing gen Z a few times but only the last few years had I actually heard people use Gen Z so militantly like now for a specific generation. Like Gen Alpha is talked about but because they're all in fifth grade no one cares about them yet
man i forgot how much i love ur channel !!!! edit: i think u summed up what i thought about this "gen z will change the world" thing in a way i could never, and it's lowkey scary that people think they're immune to being bigoted or conservative because of their generation at least in my semi-informed opinion, the second you see yourself as immune to being [blank], you start not questioning that you could think [blank] things or act in [blank] ways especially for racism! if we want to be allies as white people, we have to somewhat stay on our toes and self-reflect on what we think automatically, how we treat people of color and our place in furthering white supremacy, and it becomes harder to do so when you think of racism with so much essentialism to quote lindsay ellis: we've all got the stink anyways this was a long tangent!! just thought of sharing
omg on the rewatch: a, i love the poet hair parts throughout the video 😂 b, what makes that cringe "man behind the curtain syndrome" even more outlandish is the amount of money influencers like lele pons, the paul brothers, jaystation, kylie jenner, etc make off of "gen z" kids. like no generation is immune to advertising it's just that some platforms become more relevant than others. magazine advertisements, for example, aren't nearly as influential as they used to be.
Millennials aren’t uncool because they’re millennials, they’re uncool because they’re 30 and that’s how trends work. Gen Z isn’t annoying bc they’re Gen Z, they’re annoying bc they’re teenagers with internet connections. This is just horoscopes for boring people.
y e s. You put it into words 🙌
pls not horoscopes for boring people 😭😭
YESSIR
yup
Succinct and accurate. If course I'm uncool. I have teenaged children. Why on earth did millennials think they were magically going to be The Youths forever. 🤷♀️
This whole generation war makes me feel like I’m sitting at dinner and my parents and siblings are screaming at each other over something pointless meanwhile I just want someone to pass the mashed potatoes.
This is honestly spot on. I feel the same.
This is perfect.
Lol cold mashed potatoes yum!😋😂🤣
Yes
julia: have you heard of us vs them
me: yes, i heard about it on the good place
julia: i’m sure you have, they talked about it on the good place
I unfortunately got introduced to it through f*cism :[
Mine's being blk in the american south 😅
can we just take a minute to appreciate how absolutely gorgeous she is 😳
everyone with the name Julia is gorgeous :)
Yes
yes please, she has the best hair, rapunzel wishes
And her voice is so soothing 😌
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tiktokers applying their dystopian fantasies into real life issues is what gets me like keep it in the YA books please
i just wanna tell them all “you’re not the protagonist of the planet earth & one sole person can’t effect true social change on their own”. like...volunteer! donate to causes you believe in! participate (safely) in protests! you aren’t the main character who’s going to singlehandedly solve racism, you’re a 15 y/o white girl who lives in a connecticut suburb and thinks that subtweeting celebrities counts as activism
I legit thought that died with divergent and i hope to god there isn't a resurgence
And how closely they're resembling millennials waiting for their Hogwarts letters. We're all just trying to dissociate from reality.
Their whole performative “what I would do if I lived during [insert oppressive era]” was a choice.
Granted they were all kids and I know I did cringe things at their age but...that was a choice.
@@loveandcupcakes100 rip to the civil rights protesters but im different* 😔✊
*wearing shein and f21
As a fellow Zennial, my thoughts exactly. What I find hilarious about this whole thing? Generations were literally invented by companies and advertisers to sell products better back in the 50s or so. That's why you don't hear about any generations older than the 1920s. Gen Z is playing a reverse uno card on themselves by caring so much about something they supposedly despise.
as a zillenial that is in marketing - they are definitely being played lmaooo
I’m 24, and my cousin is 16. We have the exact same sense of humor, political ideology, and disgust of generational divide. Proof positive that there’s no generations, just...people.
People just like to be...difficult
this is why i don’t go on tiktok because every tiktok included in this video filled me with an indescribable rage
You must be on the very boring side of tiktok full of white teens cry about how they arent privileged enough
I like watching TikTok compilations on TH-cam so I can’t watch exactly what I want without being left out 😅
@@MiaMao_ ???
Trust me, let tik tok figure out what u like and u will have trouble getting off the app
to be fair i think my fyp is particularly bad for this because i've been saving all these videos and the algorithms like "she loves this"
As someone who is also born in no man’s land (1996) I love this video so much. It’s so embarrassing to watch people fight over a made up concept. Just like when I was younger and millennial was the youngest generation- they always talked about on timblr how they’re the most progressive and “cool” edgy generation it’s literally just teenagers thinking their generation is the first one to work on social justice
Also keep in mind these generational labels were made up by old, rich white men. Kinda like they have an ulterior motive or something...
Saaame, in the last week or so of 1996. No man's laaaaaaaand
@@danidifranza9858 ay! same birth week!
I loved all of your points in the video but especially the part about "not everyone believes your highly personalized tik tok for you page" and the "get out of racism free" card because of being in Gen Z. I think it's really important to check ourselves regardless of age or perceived generation.
It's also a huge slap in the face when they say stuff like "ohhh gen z is making the change" in regards to standing up for POC oppression when in reality its mostly POCs themselves of all ages actually doing the work. Like sorry, I dont need some white dude to take credit for StopAsianHate when the whole Asian hate phenomenon doesnt even affect him.
@@irwinmier8878 As a mixed person who has dark enough skin to where I have experienced enough racial remarks towards my skin color, I wholeheartedly agree. (I believe my parental figure told me I'm more African American, but I'm still not sure, as I haven't taken a DNA test. I believe I did in the past as a toddler, but I don't remember anything. Am I able to say I'm black even though I'm mixed? I'm not sure.)
And I'm a part of Gen Z. Sixteen years old.
Even all of the way back, people of my color have been doing the work, as you've said. Even nowadays, it's people of *all* ages. It always has been.
I hate to say it, but I believe every generation has a superiority complex. That's how it has worked forever, I believe. And I don't even believe in generations.
It's not just Gen Z. Seriously, I was raised by my grandma, and she just loves to hate on my generation and talks like she's a God compared to younger people. I've ran into many adults just like that, too.
But do I believe just because you're older than me you're the same way as her? No. I won't define you as a person by your age range.
Some adults act like children, and some children act like adults (usually due to trauma, sadly.)
In my opinion, at least. Either way, I'm tired of people of all ages thinking they're better than the other age range. Your generation doesn't determine rather you're better than the other. So many people shit on my generation that my self-esteem just worsens everyday, but so many people of my generation shit on other generations, that I can't imagine what they're going through as well.
Nobody should be a jerk towards the other person when they don't even know them. I *loathe* it when people judge you as a person and themselves based on their generation/age.
@@DelilahDarling17It's definitely odd how they go so far as to base their own personalities on some imaginary label like a generation as well. And funny enough, some people on Tiktok pointed out that its mostly white people who are heavily involved in these identities. Like they don't have to worry about racial injustice since they are beneficiaries of privilege so they just invent conflict where its not needed.
*I think the inherent problem with generations is that* tropes can exist throughout many generations yet we act like certain generations are responsible for them.
That’s why there’s always a cycle of older people in disbelief about newer pop culture.
bro I see you everywhere
Also calling Gen Z the first generation to rebel against the establishment is so weird.
I mean everyone knows about the french revolution it's the most famous rebellion against authorities. And I dont know so much about American history but I could list countless examples where, in german history, the establishment has been challenged.
Because thats how the world and social norms progress and develope.
Literally America was founded on rebelling against an establishment. Americans rebelled against the most powerful empire in the world at that time
The Founding Fathers, the Suffereget movement, the Civil Rights movement, prohabition, the Anti-War movement of the 1960s, the anti War movement of the 2000s… need I continue???
French Revolution was nowhere near of the same political tone like the ones gen z and millennials are talking about. Now it's socialist rebellion against establishment.
French Revolution was a capitalist rebellion against monarchial establishment. I don't have to explain that capitalism is just monarchy that changed zip codes. It's still hierarchical structure of economy and society, it's just there's less bloodline family inheritance of power and wealth.
But yes even socialist rebellions were done a lot of times and continue to happen all over the world as we speak. But I guess the world only notices if people in US start to talk about it.
I love your channel and you killed it, as usual!
I’m always baffled at people being like, “older generations never cared about social justice issues.” I don’t know what y’all think the civil rights movement was but okay! Like, black folks existed in the past.
FORREAL like. The Stonewall riots happened in 1969, those people were boomers. The AIDS crisis began in the 70s, part of the tragedy of that is we've lost a huge chunk of the generation of lgbt+ ppl who would be elders today. Fuck, the YT to alt right pipeline targets a huge swath of young ppl bc those are a large part of the "spends a lot of time on TH-cam" demographic
Yes, like some grandparents were hippies and protested against war, racism, sexism, poverty, governement also there was people that helped gay people during Aids pandemy or of course Black Panthers activists that took actions against racism and the cruelty against black people.
Sorry to sound like a "boomerr" but they spent more time protesting in the streets than time claiming how good and woke they are on Tiktok /twitter like for people nowadays.
Also I am French and the Révolution was literally about social justice
Exactly, why do they think they have the rights they do today? Every generation has their own revolutions and activists. This is just a bunch of teenagers trying to feel special tho, everyone goes through that phase, so we shouldn't take it that seriously. It just seems more serious because this is the first "generation" of teenagers that share their whole life and opinions online.
I think it's just a matter of judging the past by the standards of the present. Just because there was more racism or homophobia in the past doesn't mean everyone back then was a raging bigot, it just means that a lot of the issues just weren't being discussed or resolved on a large scale yet.
Gen Z tiktokers talking about all getting the same tattoo has incredible tumblr during the late 00s/early 10s energy. Beautiful how history repeats itself
I swear history is repeating itself faster somehow.
I like your shoelaces
I can't wait for an opportunity to tell someone, "Have fun arguing with a wall about it."
About progressivism increasing with generations: I’d be so curious to see what the dominant social narratives regarding boomers and gen x would be like if it weren’t for HIV/AIDS. The epidemic hit when these groups were in their 20s-40s, and primarily affected LGBT and POC communities, who were prominent activists during this time, with some even being old enough to have participated in the civil rights movement and rising queer rights movement. These activists laid the groundwork for so much of the progress we’ve made, but because they spent the last 20 yrs of the 20th century dying en masse, they never got to take credit for the outcomes, leading younger generations to believe they’re exerting more sociopolitical power than they really are (and painting a much more cishet, white, conservative portrait of boomers and gen x).
Tell me why I never rly thought about that, but it makes perfect sense?!
Another thing about those generations is that they dont tend to be intersectional at all. I am theoreticaly a millennial / zillennial i guess but I dont relate to a lot of the "common" experiences because I grew up rather poor and didnt had access to them. Thats why I find it silly when people make it their whole personality
that bothers me about the Generation war, or like gay culture. So much of it is just which products you buy
generational wars is so american that it hurts when I read people from middle east/south american countrys thinking this shit matters like, no.
Broke: generational warfare
Woke: cross-generational friendships where we share our collective experiences and interests that defined our respective generations and enjoy each other's company
I also don't like how a lot of the current generation discourse also seems to assume everyone is American. The "do you remember 9/11" method of dividing the years seems to assume that every country regarded 9/11 with the same level of importance that America did, and a lot of the other ways people have tried to divide the gens also seems to assume that everyone is a middle class American.
That's why I don't really feel like Generations aren't really useful outside of the context of the US (at least, the more widely used categories). The book that spurred these Generations was written by someone born in the US in the context of living in the US.
I can’t put into words the amount of anxiety I got from the way you held that mug
there's nothing in it hahaha
White gen z's delusions during the protests last summer was quite alarming honestly. But this millennial/gen z beef is weird, and I only recently was made aware of it when I stumbled out of Black Twitter. Why are grown adults arguing with kids about fashion and an artist that most definitely need to see the inside of a prison cell, I'll never know. It's weird.
comparing generations to horoscopes honestly made everything click in my head
Buzzfeed: Gen Z is saying we can't wear skinny jeans they're so mean!!!!
Me, who's too cheap/lazy to keep up with rapidly changing fast fashion trends: Y'all hear somethin?
Me. I do like that sweatpants are coming back as fashionable outside of the house and I love that baby tees are coming back as well but I’m not giving up my skinny jeans though. I wear both sweatpants and skinny jeans.
@@TheLeah2344 Lol man honestly I remember when skinny jeans became popular. As a curvy person I could never fit into them then or now. But I do love sweatpants. 👖👖👖
@@withniejules2244 I remember back when jeggings were in fashion, idk if there's a distinction between jeggings and skinny jeans.
Are there any 2002 kids out there who thought they were millennials cause they took Buzzfeed quizzes written by them in middle school?
But more seriously one of my biggest resentments about Gen Z being defined by sites like TikTok is that the things that are supposedly supposed to define our entire generation are overwhelming White, middle class and American.
I am a 02 kid and I always feel like I’m in the middle. Like I relate to teens at some point but there are cons as well. Same with millennials.
I was a first year of high school with people who are millennials (they were all fun), who will hoax the basketball court, study like there’s no trouble, there were some boys who were absolutely talented in dance besides all of the girls, and then when I was in my last year of high school with people who are Gen Zs, aka the people who were wearing crop tops and skinny jeans, acrylic nails, streaks, you get the drill. No one who was my grade wore crop tops.
i just find it so funny how on one hand these passionate zoomers claim to be the most open, diverse and accepting generation but then they make fun of how people part their hair and what kind of jeans they wear and are generally just ageist
nobodys really saying that though ??? did you even watch the video lol. the point is that gen z/ millennial labels are unhelpful and don't mean anything - they were coined just divide us as a marketing tactic. the whole "they hate our hair and pants !!" thing was so clearly a millennial ploy for attention & relevancy. the annoying gen z trope is because gen z is TEENAGERS - and teenagers are pretty notorious for having superiority complexes & being snarky. the annoying millennial trope is because they're getting older but are letting kids get under their skin for whatever reason. literally nobody cares about your part or jeans, and someone commenting that you're "uncool" is not the same as racial/ gender-based/ sexuality-based prejudice. so that whole "they say theyre so tolerant but then they dont do things that are nice and good 100% of the time always ?!!?" point you can just throw right out the window lol
edit: making generalizations based on something like this is just pointless. that goes for millennials & gen z - i don't care who is who, it literally is not a thing and im tired of people trying to pretend it is. if you're telling people what to wear: shut up. if you're telling people how they feel/ think: shut up. ftr i was born in 96
@@444-o2w bruh what?? Is julia a “passionate zoomer”?? I never said this is what she’s saying, it’s just an observation of another thing the people passionate about labels are doing.
Didn’t even read your whole essay btw because you clearly missed my point entirely
@@Josettes nah friend I think YOU missed the point
As a millenial, I vividly remember a time when our generation went from "those poor kids are so overworked, omg they have to practically carry their lockers home with them, they better get their degrees" to "these kids are so lazy, all they want are participation trophies, wow you really decided to get a degree in [socially undervalued subject] instead of [socially overvalued subject]" to "wow they aren't spending any money for some reason???" It's just not worth it to care anymore...
"Stop wasting money on trivial things and maybe you'll be able to afford a house!"
"Millennials killed another industry because they won't spend their money on trivial things!"
Thank you, I’ve always felt the whole generation thing was utter nonsense. It’s based on totally arbitrary cutoffs and judges literally billions of people based on paper-thin and historically ignorant stereotypes.
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On one hand, I feel like Generations are valid in the sense that there are different historical milestones that shape someone's perception of the world. My perspective of September 11th is vastly different from someone who can actually remember a time before The War on Terror (albeit, this distinction will get less useful as more people born after the attacks come into existence), but they're not all that useful outside of that broader (and probably America-centric) perspective. Arguing about Harry Potter and skinny jeans feels ridiculous to me.
I've thought for a while that generational tension is almost engineered to prevent solidarity across age demographics. Young people have enthusiasm and energy that begins to fade with the disappointments and jaded spirit of age. They're less constrained by The Rules because they haven't had enough time to learn what can't be done so they're willing to be more creative and risk taking. Respecting their perspectives and ideas and valuing their energy and righteous anger (Eminem was already cancelled but don't mock young people who are just finding out all the shit things he's done. They should be mad) is critical to be able to productively work together.
On the flip side, older people have valuable experiences and perspectives that can help support young people to harness and direct that energy is productive ways. There have been activists laying themselves on the line in *every* generation (including the Boomers, friends) and they have accumulated a vast wealth of experience that can save us time trying avenues doomed to failure.
Short story, the power brokers aren't generationally defined and neither are those resisting. They're working together and so should we. Plus, millenials being concerned about being uncool is a cringy waste of your limited old person energy. 😌
Source: many years ago a Gen X activist explained this to me in the course of me learning to be useful and not fucking up our work. Now I'm nurturing teenagers I get it even more than I did before because I'm just so very tired and they're still so enthusiastic. 😅
I’ll keep this short: this is one of my favourite video essays so far this year. I love it. 10/10. Chef’s kiss. S tier.
I will add that defining millenials because of 9-11 is very centered in the USA. I am not saying it didn't make the news here, but we weren't as definined by it. Actually, other countries had different events that "defined a generation". These conversations, as so many others, show us once again that Americans have that mindset set on their own country and culture. Just the fact that they call themselves Americans is so self centered!
As far as your point, I do agree. My age doesn't connect me to other people, my experiences and beliefs do.
the jeans and middle part thing is so funny to me because in my country mom/straight jeans and middle parts became trendy again in like... 2013 lol, not that i think scotland is the beacon of fashion, but it’s definitely funny watching 30 year old americans stress out over a trend that’s been around in this country for 8 years
My hot take is that as an Australian it annoys me how the z in “gen z” is normally pronounced with the American way of saying z and not the English/Australian way 😂
Gen zed lol
I honestly hope that "Zoomer" catches on because it sounds cool (certainly more catchy than "Homestead" or "iGeneration") and it will nullify the need to argue about pronunciation.
@@TuesdaysArt yeah I like zoomer too even tho it’s kind of silly, it feels right
as someone who prefers short hair, i envy your commitment to making your long hair look that good. also, middle child solidarity from over here! may you always wake up and choose chaos as nature intended
As a middle child with a 30 year old sister and a 12 year old brother the idea that where your siblings fall decides your generation really just confuses everything
This whole thing is so American that most people in the UK don’t even know Gen Z is a thing. Also a lot of the TikTok’s are of white kids take that with a grain of salt.
i was born late 1996 and a middle child as well so i can relate! this whole generation war is ridiculous.
The age of Gen Z gets younger regularly. I feel like in 2015, the cut off was firmly mid-90s, defined by whether you could actively remember 9/11. That guy who says 2003 counts as a millennial is on bath salts 🙄
It's actually the other way around, it was originally around 2000 (or even at late as 2003), then got moved to 1997, then got moved to 1996, then 1995.
I feel like remembering (or not remembering) a time before 9/11 seems like the most adequate historical milestone to use as a general marker.
Yep, I'm Millenial. I was born in 1992, but I don't also feel super connected to the term Millenial. But I'm annoyed how much "my generation" gets bullied by anybody born before me and starting by people born after me.
1:01: She said “tour of bookshelf” and I said “Guess I’m a plastic now.”
Oh my gosh. We got the tourrr!!!
Hi Julia, this is a really good video! As an older millenial, I don't really care if Gen Z kids think I'm cringy or whatever, that's just like a teenager thing to think about 35 year olds. It's fine. But you make excellent points as to why relating everything to being born in a certain generation over more meaningful distinctions like race, class, etc. is at best pointless and at worst really harmful. I always get annoyed when people my age want to blame everything on Boomers... like, yeah, some of them are absolutely awful but it's so much more complicated than "everyone born between 1945 and 1960 is a piece of shit." IDK exactly what I'm trying to say, just that I really appreciated this video and keep making great content!
Tiktok is turning into video format tumblr real quick
People are literally stealing Tumblr posts and using them as captions on a video with their face on it.
I was born in 1997 and tend to relate more with "younger millennials" than "older Gen Z" kids. My theory for why this is has, in part, to do with the fact that if you were born in 1997 you were part of the last group of people who were physical capable of remembering 9/11. I literally started forming memories in 2001 and can clearly remember watching the towers fall on TV and then the eventual news reports talking about troops being sent to the Middle East. It was a very distinct moment in my life, and obviously in the lives of other kids within a certain range of my age group.
I think the concept of a generation is useful when analyzing how certain major events effect the way people view the world. I genuinely think people who can remember seeing one of the biggest tragedies of the 21st Century happen in front of their eyes have very distinct opinions on politics, culture, economics, etc., as opposed to those who weren't capable of internalizing such a heavy topic at the time. I think of the Greatest Generation as a distinct generation because everyone in that time frame experienced the horrors of both World Wars. The biggest thing tying Gen Z together isn't any arbitrary age range, but having shared experiences as a results of the 2008 Recession that are unique to their age group. I think that the underlying theme of generations, as an abstract concept, is about shared trauma bonding.
bruh it doesn't matter really, I'm 2 years older than u and we are in the same spot we are in our 20's, why it does it matter if u remember 9/11 or not?
we are just twenty something people lol
@@olympe1996 Of course it doesn't matter, I was just putting my thoughts out there because this is a video discussing the concept of generations and it's fun to casually analyze and engage with these sorts of ideas every once in a while. It's a TH-cam comment, not a Times article.
I'm not sure if I have any strong memories of The 2008 Recession specifically, but I vaguely remember seeing Barack Obama inaugurated in the school auditorium (it was being projected on a screen) and growing up reading about how much Millennials were struggling made me lose hope for my future.
i really appreciate your thoughts on how things (like personality measures or labels to define your self) can be helpful if we use them as tools for introspection and self-discovery! i think that's honestly the root of a lot of label-creating; if it helps you, that's really cool. even if the original thing isn't necessarily scientific or "true" (like zodiac signs or enneagram numbers), people can make it into something meaningful.
Plus, some of the generation stuff seems pretty uniquely American
I thought it was all american hence why boomers are related to american war feelings and money, and millennials are defined by an American tragedy etc etc
@@leahdavis9434 I mean, 911 did shake up everything in the world (world wide news reports, affected international travel, universal distrust of fellow humans), and WWI and WWII were of course world wars, so the world became unsure of the future (which led to the celebratory boom of babies). It’s not the effects on generations that I believe are uniquely American, it’s the way people act and the tiniest “relatable” things.
@@cataryad661 You're absolutely right. And even if you look at Pews reasonings, they include American elections like 08. Id probably say plenty of other western nations do it, but to the rest of the world, generation labels are not a thing.
William Strauss is American and wrote his book on Generations in the context of American history.
when this whole "gen z saying that millennials aren't cool" thing started, i as a millennial had no horse in this race because i've never been cool anyway but at least now i get to know exactly what things i do are uncool
I think you're cool. 😁
i saw some tiktoks that accused millenials for being responsible for sch*ol sh**tings and my brain just stopped working and hasn't worked since
GOD yes, this idea that being racist, homophobic, etc is a trait that just magically disappears from the youngest generations and will be gone once old people die annoys me SO much. I have NEVER been surrounded by more right-wing a-holes than when I was doing my required TA hours in a high school while studying to be a teacher in my country.
Anyway, loved the video. Everyone should just develop a personality and shut up about how old they are.
“Skinny jeans are for millennials!”
“Gen Z only want bright makeup!”
Me: please stop selling to me
The whole love languages segment/video reminded me of a lesson in one of my business courses where we were given a group and a worksheet that required us to number a list of things to do after a plane crash. It was used to practice delegation and observe how people acted during group work/collaboration. Anyways, that was the day I learned that you're not supposed to leave the site of a plane crash because search and rescue will follow the flight path and the plane will be easily visible. You shouldn't stray from the plane and act out the plot from Lost with a random map you find!
You just got yourself your first (I think) Patron!!!
(Me. It’s me.)
yes! i think it was you! thank you!
Brb gonna send this video to everyone I know. it explains perfectly what i have been feeling for the past year. Well done!
The Taylor cardigan in the background!!
Gen z are repeating the same mistakes that every generation before them has, believeing that because they have grown up in an echo chamber of their opinions that everyone in their generation thinks the same and that biggotry will die out with the previous generation and they don't need to do anything but just wait.
You hit the nail on the head with them seemingly claiming things as their achievements when they should be looked at as achievements for people involved not a generation alive when it happened.
I'm somewhere between millennial and gen z and it's been really uncomfortable to watch the discourse of cringe millennials fighting back and gen z acting like they don't care about anything but them making the same mistakes as the last for not just listening to some advice.
Idk it's all stupid.
This video sums it up perfectly and you look amazing! One of my favourite creators always makes me happy when I see you in the subscription box!!
This is an incredible video. I used to have this 'our generation is better mentality' but outgrew that and it's weird to see people take it to the extremes. Tik Tok is just like Tumblr from the 2014ish era while now Tumblr is more laid back. We're just gonna have to wait it out I think
I think the easiest way to determine “generational” divides (in the US specifically) is which traumatic events effected you and your peers the most.
If you can remember the way things were before 9/11 and understand that a massive cultural shift occurred, you’re a millennial. And I’m not talking about remembering seeing it on TV or your parents/teachers talking about it either, I mean if you were cognizant enough to realize that things had truly changed. If you’re able to remember a time growing up where the US had not yet invaded Afghanistan, that makes you a millennial.
If you had multiple active shooter lock down drills a year while at school, you’re Gen Z. I know that the 90s had Columbine and other gun related tragedies, but mass shootings defined Gen Z’s childhood and adolescence. The clearest memory I have of middle school is my English teacher coming out of his office to let the class know that a shooter targeted an elementary school less than an hour away from our town. From the time that I was in Kindergarten to Senior Year (2005-2018), 600+ people died in mass shootings according to Reuters’ time line.
It’s also entirely possible that my entire high school peer group was just hyper sensitive to gun violence (we were based in an unsafe area and lost 3 students to shootings), but considering how many school aged kids protested/demonstrated during the aftermath of the Parkland shooting, I think it’s safe to say that the constant shootings have had an impact.
I’d imagine that the next generation will live in the shadow of the pandemic. The last two gens have dealt with the ramifications of 9/11 and the war on terror, whether it was signing up to join the military as soon as they could in a flurry of patriotic emotions or hearing about the never ending wars is in the Middle East. I cannot even begin to fathom how Covid will affect future gens.
Ok but having these two strict categories leaves a huge group of people out. I remember 9/11 and the aftermath, but was arguably too young to have a good understanding of how the world was before. However, the whole school shooting as a common occurrence thing began when I was already out of high school, or maybe in my last few years of hs. So yet again, Zillennials are left out of the loop with no group to belong to.
baby yesssssssss, I love your videos soooo much - I loose it every time you upload a video, and I've watched all of your videos so many times - mostly in the background to distract myself from boring shit. Your personality is so sweet and your videos make me so happy. Your hair looks absolutely stunning today, those waves shouldn't be possible outside of fan art. Also your fashion sense is fantastic, the blue chequered shirt looks amazing on you. Please keep giving us videos, take care of yourself and stay safe. Lots of love Julia xxx
well this is very nice :''')
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The Gen Z tattoo thing reminds me so much of tumblr omg
i know this is one of my favorite channels when i am constantly liking and unliking the video because i keep forgetting i already liked it every time julia has a good point
I feel like you’ve just put into words the tangled ball of frustration in my gut whenever it came to “generational discourse” and I can finally be free
Julia Cudney droppin a BANGER!!! ok I see you
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I feel like generations are like the BMI thing, made to analyze greater trends and general society, incredibly flawed and most of the time given more weight than they deserve.
I've seen so many generation war hot take videos at this point, good and bad, and yet this one still manages to be great and fresh! Thank you!
Every single side of the generation war is embarrassing and awkward
Every time someone talks abt about gen z or millennials a tiny party of me shrivels up and dies
YALL WAKE UP NEW JULIA VIDEO !!
I love that you kept changing your hair from a middle to a side part lol. Also one more thing to be said about generations is that those supposed shared experiences (such as toys, tv shows, music) don't translate to the entire world, either because they were never popular in other countires, or because it took some time until they were. For example, I relate to a lot of those "only 90s kids will remember", even though I am from 2001, because things from the US took quite some time to popularize in Brasil. So not only are generations kinda useless, potentially harmful, and don't translate well between class, it is an intrinsically american idea, based almost entirely in american experiences and point of view, making a lot of americans seem not only kinda dumb, but very self-centered for believing so intensely on this idea.
Exactly! Plus, nowadays, certain shows aren't exclusively for people who grew up watching them on TV (especially now with streaming services).
Edit: I should add that a lot of songs on my Spotify Year End lists released decades before I was born. Music definitely isn't bound by arbitrary generations.
HAHAHAHA THE HUNGER GAMES ROLE PLAY
"i am going to die at some point right"
"peacful"
"cheast"
"grond"
I wrote a paper about this my freshman year of college and I feel like this video is the sequel piece I always wanted to do after writing that paper!
trina from victorious rly popped off with that ok boomer tiktok
Julia, I basically agreed with every point you have made. I have been saying that generations are made up for the longest time, and you saying they are and backing your statement up with quotes and excerpts from experts just validates how I feel about this whole thing. Its funny when people will say Zillennials are a made up term when Millennials and Gen Z are also made up terms, even funnier you provided a text from someone saying Millennials is made up. It's almost like, generations are made up by old white people with some sinister motive?
Also something you didn't mention was how American the concept of these generation labels are. Specifically Gen X/Millennial/Gen Z etc. Many parts of the world don't even use these labels, or have their own generational cohorts like Japan and other Asian nations.
I also find it to be a huge slap in the face when white teenagers credit themselves for the BLM movements in recent years when so many POC of all ages have been heavily engaged in the movement. It comes off very white savior-y to me. Like they just came in and decided that because they support the movement, they should be recognized as a whole, basically not amplifying or crediting the POC folks who put in the time and effort towards social change. That's just how I see it.
The critiques in the second half of this video are super poignant. Well done Julia
everything about this video was spot on. I'm also on the cusp and I grew up with rich people who had iPhones in 2011 whilst owning a single old Apple computer and a Nokia. class is gonna change how you grow up, absolutely
omg i’m so excited for this
This is already insanely well-written - thanks for another amazing video essay!
I'm actually cool with Gen Z's "criticism" of us. If the worst you see my generation do is use weird lingo and make questionable fashion choices ... as far as I'm concerned that's Utopia. Remember what we were criticizing Boomers for. Shit was heavy.
I LOVE your videos and this one was GREAT! The right amounts of serious and funny and the timing on the edits? Perfect. I agree with the idea of treating generations like we treat astrology: fun to think about but worrying when someone takes it too far.
you're so funny, I love this, and we're about the same age so I remember exactly the feeling when the shift from categorizing young people as millennials moved to the now gen z category
this has to be one of your best videos omg
I refuse to watch any videos on the "generation war," but I'll still comment for engagement. Just for you boo!!
This is actually a very good, nuanced video on the topic, I definitely think it's worth watching!
you've articulated my thoughts perfectly ❤️
I went to college in a small Missouri town, and let me tell you there are still conservative young people. It has nothing do with gen z, and more to do with where you were raised, and how your parents raised you.
the diss from your speech and debate coach in the middle of an awards ceremony........did this happen to everyone
I hope this video reaches out of Julia's normal viewers viewership, it's so important!
Yesss thank you! While obviously young and old people complaining about each other is nothing new, the whole generational divide just seems so prevalent nowadays. It's always felt so unconstructive and devoid of historical context, it's frustrating.
Also, realizing I'm not subscribed to you despite having followed your videos for a couple years? Wow I'm dumb
teenage rebellion used to be so cool in the 90's (I was not back in that day but as far as I know) they got a great fashion sense and musical taste with a lot of pilosophical meanings like punk rock was anarchist against the queen of england, ska was for ending racism and so on, so to me teenagers nowadays needs to use they angry to make the world better not for ego bosting
So I’m 25 and I guess I’m considered a baby Millennial. I even heard that I was on the cusp of Millennial and Gen Z but this generation war is ridiculous. My only problem with the teenagers of today is when they disrespect anyone 25 and older just because we are older than them. I saw teens calling anyone born in the 90’s and before “ old “ and saying we shouldn’t be on Tik Tok. I admit that the Ok Boomer jokes were funny at first and I even made that joke with my grandma but after a while it got old. It should have stayed a joke and died out and not turn into a generational war. It’s not that serious. Also I’m tired of Gen Z claiming aave as Gen Z slang. It’s not. Stop claiming aave that was created by BLACK PEOPLE as yours. Gen Z teens think they are so much better than their parents when they aren’t.
@@beefar0ni I think it happened after they said Ok Boomer. They started taking it further and dragging everyone who is older than them. At first, all of us were laughing at Boomers and now the teens are laughing at all of us. I’m seeing kids on Tik Tok calling us 20 plus year olds “ old “ and making fun of the stuff we grew up with. 🤷🏿♀️
Every generation has thought that older generations suck. It isn’t a Gen Z thing, every generation has done that the only difference is that most people who are considered Gen Z are teenagers right now.
Most of american teenagers are infuriating, sorry not sorry.
i love your outfit here it’s giving cher from clueless vibes!
In my professional field, there is literally a widespread economic issue where retirement-age workers pulling a solid wage aren’t retiring and meanwhile administrators have figured out they can pay three Millenials for their full-time work as if they are each 1/3 of a person. I just want Gen Z to make an actual living wage, even though that will probably mean my generation gets to spend the rest of our lives hearing from both sides that we’re poor bc of how much we suck. 🥴
Ok but why should they have to retire?
@@petalchild Why would you want to work for the rest of your life?
What’s interesting is that this will backfire on us when the generation after gen z will do the same to us
“a lot of you seem to think that your generation. is just your highly personalized for you page” A WORD
Lol the switching up between the side part and middle part *chef's kiss*
As someone who desn't use any social media (except Yutube if TH-cam counts as a social media) I had no idea that this generation war was a thing... Seems pointless.
the line you drew between the concept of generations and advertisement is so real like. it's the same reason why products are much more gendered nowadays than a decade ago. excessive market severing in late stage capitalism.
i also feel like ppl treat generations with more "respect" than astrology for the same reason they blindly believe in gender roles or the construct of race: our biological age is real; sex is real; the varying physical characteristics humans can exhibit according to their parentage and the place they live in are real. what's not real is all the baggage we ascribe to these things. but it's so unthinkable for most ppl to separate the physical reality from the assigned stereotypes that we end up in this whole situation we have now.
and another thing... i always thought it was stupid when adults told me that when i grew up, i would "understand". but something really shifts at 25, when your brain (allegedly) finishes forming. it's fucked up. it's not like you lose all your sense of fight and rebellion, bc there are things that are still wrong and enraging even when you're not a hyperactive teenager over-eager to pick a fight just to feel something. but it's just different. you realize your anger about certain things was pointless sometimes. but what sucks the most is that you also start to forget how it was, how it felt to be a kid. idk if other near-30-year-olds are as aware of it as i am, but i notice ppl my age dunking on kids for being cringy or stupid and i want to be like "don't you remember how it was when we were the kids?" but i don't really remember either. it's easy to think we were smarter, more logical kids, who made less mistakes and were less embarassing. bc we know better now and project our experient self into our past. and that's how every new "generation" ends up mocked by its predecessors...
anyway. sorry for the long rant lmfao great video as always!
I think this is my favorite video of yours
this has to be my favourite video on the subject yet!
Should have known you were a speech kid! You're so well spoken and a pleasure to listen to in all your videos☺️
Also yeah for a long time "Millenial" was just "young kids today" I I remember being 13 and called a millennial, a lot of gen Z kids had been called millennials for the longest time. I remember hearing gen Z a few times but only the last few years had I actually heard people use Gen Z so militantly like now for a specific generation. Like Gen Alpha is talked about but because they're all in fifth grade no one cares about them yet
I wish I could frame this video and put it on my bedroom’s wall
man i forgot how much i love ur channel !!!!
edit: i think u summed up what i thought about this "gen z will change the world" thing in a way i could never, and it's lowkey scary that people think they're immune to being bigoted or conservative because of their generation
at least in my semi-informed opinion, the second you see yourself as immune to being [blank], you start not questioning that you could think [blank] things or act in [blank] ways
especially for racism! if we want to be allies as white people, we have to somewhat stay on our toes and self-reflect on what we think automatically, how we treat people of color and our place in furthering white supremacy, and it becomes harder to do so when you think of racism with so much essentialism
to quote lindsay ellis: we've all got the stink
anyways this was a long tangent!! just thought of sharing
The fact that we literally have the same hydro flasks is giving me so much life 💛
omg on the rewatch:
a, i love the poet hair parts throughout the video 😂
b, what makes that cringe "man behind the curtain syndrome" even more outlandish is the amount of money influencers like lele pons, the paul brothers, jaystation, kylie jenner, etc make off of "gen z" kids. like no generation is immune to advertising it's just that some platforms become more relevant than others. magazine advertisements, for example, aren't nearly as influential as they used to be.