Super 8 Projectors - How & When to Use Them
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- Maybe the BEST part of getting Super 8 film back from the lab is being able to actually project it and watch what you've shot! Let's look at the basic functions on a Super 8 projector and learn what kind of film you need to shoot in order to get something back that you can project!
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I bought a super 8 film projector from a discount store in 1975 and also bought very cut up 1950's sci-fi movies that were silent. I was a kid $80, the projector was affordable under $50, movies in a catalog were cheap $2-8, the camera was an unreachable price wise. I had a film splicer and cut the movies up as my own edits. Charged .25 cents to see. Hahaha made $1.
That's actually pretty awesome!
GOOD LORD YOU'RE MY HERO. Just brought home all of my grandfather's cameras - he was a hobbyist and kept it all in pristine condition with original packaging and accessories. I'm nerding out and am drowning in cool shit I can remember, but have no idea how to use and your videos are giving me LIFE! Thanks for feeding my growing hunger for the film world!
I recently bought what appears to be a new unused Eumig 714-D super 8 sound projector. This is identical to the one my father had back in the 1970s but which no longer works because of abuse including a broken switch. But the new one is perfect so I’m very happy with it. That said I plan on taking your advice and getting my old family films transferred before using it extensively.
Super informative! Nice to see a young man interested and keeping this great hobby alive.
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When super 8 film was made with
The sound magnetic tape it was done on both sides.
Only one was used for the sound the other was to keep it even on the roll.
The second one was called the balance strip.
Later some high
End cameras recorded on the balance strip for a stereo affect.
Only a few projectors could take advantage by playing the second magnetic strip.
That is not true. Most of my sound films have only one magnetic track.
You are correct not all have it .
Had a similar projector my dad purchased in 1978. Once videos were available in the 1980's and more affordable, I switched to video cameras in the mid 80's. 8mm film had a 4 minute time slot, vs video had 120min in NTSC or 180 min in PAL. (standard speed). you can digitize your own films or send them to a lab for processing (costly) ,.
Those Eumig projectors made in Austria are great. I have a Eumig Super 8mm/single 8mm/regular 8mm sound projector and it's terrific. One can also buy a Eumig external speaker or connect another speaker or one's stereo system via the DIN connection (a European connection used by Philips, Bang & Olufsen, etc.) or by using a DIN plug/RCA audio adaptor. :)
That’s a great memory for me as well. The sound of the projector, the screen that had a sandy surface , even the smell of the projector bulb and the film. Only looked at them at Xmas time. Have them all now along with a bunch of super 8’s I have shot myself. Just shot a roll of Tri-X reversal on a recent trip to Thailand.
Oh yes this sentence alone made me think I could almost smell it! And I loved the smell of the artificial tree and lights wrapped around the old rolled up papers from the Cleveland press that I think dated from 1958 to 77 ..
I wish this video was around when I got my first projector last year. Super helpful.
Have a Fujica Zoom projector, can't seem to find out the vintage of it, maybe 1967. I recently got it going after it had sat unused in my father's cupboard for over 50 years! Worked a treat.
I love this video, but I was just going to add that you are so right about the fact you should digitalise you best films as the same with your best cassette tapes that you recorded
My uncle worked for CBS in 70s 80s and I have a bunch of history making events. I want to watch
Thank you. I just my dads and been working on fixing it for about 5 years
Thanks for explaining this in simple English!
Super informative. Thank you.
Thanks for an instructive video. I found my parents old 8 mm projector and films and this really helped me understand how it all works :) Can't find the takeup wheel though. Gha..
this was SOOOOO HELPFUL!!!!! thank you
Thanks for that, brilliant.
I've found 20+ super 8 films in my Dad's attic. I now just need to get a projector...
EBAY.
Thanks for this video, I recently purchased a 624 D and it looks almost exactly like this one. The lower dial has no text but has arrow symbols and a "Start" on the right with Audio symbol and sadly, didn't come with a taking reel, but the same shop also had some reels with film on them, that dont have images, so could be audio, so i have to yet see if they are actually 8/Super8s or just audios or blank 8s that are of course now ruined because they were kept in an open box lol
But, good to have a working projector that I checked before buying and the bulb lit up like magic. I cant wait to test it once I shoot a reversal that I just ordered.
So helpful!!
I USED to have recording machine very old i love those memory
Last week I was at a secondhand store and got a Vintage GAF 1788-Z Projector for $15, it utilizes 8mm and Super 8, and it works well. I don’t have any film yet for it, but I’ll be getting my hands on an 8mm copy of Laughing Gas by Charlie Chaplin, along with a Laurel and Hardy film and another Chaplin reel. My grandmother has super 8 footage of my father and his brother, the films were projected and recorded years ago on a VHS tape, I plan to re-record them with a 1080p digital camera to ensure that these home videos are preserved in the best quality possible. I’ll consider scanning services, I heard that CVS will scan them but I need to know more before I hand them anything.
Hi.
First off all, congratulations for your video. It is very well explained.
I'm trying to give a "2nd life" to my fathers Super 8 gear.
2 questions:
- Do you advise to replace the bulb to a LED bulb ?
- I have the 18/24 fps option on the projector. Is it better to use the 24 fps when projecting ?
Thanks
Best regards
Eumig makes very nice projectors, and cameras! A fine, quality Austrian company.
They bought Bolex in the 1960’s.
You have no idea how much I wish I'd found your channel a decade ago if it existed.. I had so much analog in my house and I didn't know how to do a thing with it and then I had a fire and a crazy crackhead tenant breaking in before that all I have left is a few things from the few super 8 reels that I managed to carry out of the house. I'm so afraid to run it thru a projector because I don't have much of anything left of my late parents and none of my brother since they have passed away. Where are you from? You sound like an old friend from Winnipeg and you are adorable! If I was half my age I would be starry eyed between your Canadian accent and your handsome face!
i love those projectors i used to fix them back 35 years ago i can fix any one of those i also can make them from scratch i spend years loving those and selling them they have cinema 75mm and 35mm and 16mm and 8mm and super8mm
I have from the 70s a S-8 projector and a camera that works but I can’t find a lab to process the film so it can be protectable(for the projector) and honestly the worst thing to see on an old super 8 projector is watching your film getting stuck eaten and burnt by the light bulb… anyways great video!
Wow this is awesome
Very cool!!!!!!!
how can i connect the audio sound coming out from the projector to my laptop??
I have Chinon 2000gl, bulb working but when I offer film into slot it isn't taken in - what could be the problem?
Question: Does the mechanism that you fit the reels on rotate without the reels on. I'm trying to see if my projector works. Also, can a Super 8 play regular 8 film?
Can you use plus-x reversal film for a super 8 camera to a super 8 projector?
Would this work for normal 8mm film as well?
Noah, as a former projectionist for my high school, I liked the fact of threading the film myself. So, when I got into super 8 I would've liked to have more professional projector. But, I had to deal with an automatic threader. Have you seen any projectors for super 8 that were NOT automatic?
The Eumig Mark S Super 8 only projector is semi auto-loading. The projector will load the film automatically through the gate. Once the film exits the gate it's up to you to manually load the rest to the take-up reel. I have this model and it works great, and is very gentle on film. This Super 8 only model will play both silent and sound films. It has a unique feature that disengages the pressure pads when running silent film.
Does anyone know anything about the sekonic 80j auto projector?? i just got one and it didnt come with a manual and i cant find one online...
My 16mm projectors are from the 1930s and they take a 750 or 1000 watt light bulb
And it still works great!
I am currently trying to make a 3d printed optical sound head to put in my camera but I haven't got it working yet
Wow that sounds really interesting! There are so many cool projects for analog gear that people are using 3D printers for
You can send Kodak Vision 3 negative to Andec Film so they can make a positive print :)
For sure! I think they’re the only place in the world that does Super 8 prints
I have a vintage projector. Someone asked me if it was a super 8. How do I know this
I would have the possibility of buying a projector model 610D is it also reliable? What is the difference? thank you for your help.
SANKYO AND AGFA WAS MY FAVORITE ALL ALMOST THE SAME SOUND WITH OUT SOUND
Thanks you rule!
Can you tell me what type of bulb that is? I have a Ricoh Triscope Halogen projector and it think its the same bulb type as yours.
Hi,
I have my grandfather's old Raynox projector and I'm having trouble finding a user manual. There's so much I don't know and really need to find the manual. I'd hate to ruin all the film he took over the years. Any ideas? There's no model number. Just says Raynox.
Thank you.
I'm looking for a projector for a Canon 514 xl-s if anyone knows please its apperciated im new to super 8
You can still record sound on your super8 film. But only after developing. You can get your super8 films still sound striped at various places. For example fipra or andec in Germany (laminate stripe). In Italy there is a place where you also can have your films paste striped. Also, you actually can project your negative films after making a contact print. At andec you can get a positive super8 print from your super8 negative.
I’ve actually been doing a lot of reading about striping film lately! And I always refer people to Andec for getting prints done, I haven’t used the service myself but I want to soon!
eumig 600 series is one of the best choices for playing both 8mm formats, they are pretty much indestructible! (but
im also very biassed about eumig :)) also repairing them is not that big of a problem, van eck video services in holland sells almost all parts that can break and they ship worldwide. if a part doesnt exist anymore they 3d print it
Erik Snel I bought the projector he has..... it is a amazing little machine..... I purchased a gaf branded projector first.... and it’s a piece of garbage.... never got it working right.... the eumig came from eBay,,. Untested... and works perfectly.... I bought a lot of old super 8 movie prints ... to test before I put my film through it.... and they are really cool too,,, been projecting them on my garage door at night... lol.. so awesome
Ralph Hoskins there is one type of Gaf projector which was made by eumig. It is an 800 series sound projector with gaf logos. Gaf never made anything themselves i believe so all was batch engineered
I just found an older one at good will, it looks like it wad never even used, thank God I watched this because I thought it was missing a wheel lol
Great video thanks. I was wondering if you could give me an advice of how to digitise some super 8mm tapes that i have. How can I make them digital with sound also?
Super 8 film produced today doesn't have any sound. There used to be super 8 film with magnetic strips which would record sound, but they're long discontinued. As for digitising them, you can in theory scan & crop each frame individually if it's already been developed, then put them all together like an animation, but labs usually include digitisation in the developing price
@@okok72277 I think they may be referring to old 8mm that has sound on it. I have several 8mm tapes with sounds, but do not know how I can project them with the sound as well.
Eumig is pronounced 'Oi-mig' in Austria, where they were made, just in case you go there.
What if you have a catrdige?
Hello. May it be possible to glue a blank compact cassete reel to the side of super 8 film and record and playback audio?
Shaggy Boombastic I believe that there were some projectors that allowed you to sync an external cassette with your film.
Dejur is really good quality
Just 8mm
Do you have any tips for spotmetering for film that is going to be projected? How does it deal with blown out highlights or thin shadows? For example I know that with BW if a go darker than Zone III, I'm gonna start losing shadow detail. Beyond Zone 8 I'm going to start losing highlight details. Can I change the bulb intensity to tweak exposure? How contrasty will the projected image appear? Thanks!
Okay yes you can I fixed an under exposed super 8 film and most projectors have a light intensity or contrast dial which will help deal with bad shadow detail but it is less effective for plbkack and white film.
I can't wait till the new Kodak Super 8 camera comes out had my name on the waiting list for years still don't know what the holdup is and they are starting process paid film again
Can one shoot on negative super 8 and have it processed and receive a color positive print?
Yes. There is one lab who can make prints from ECN-2 negatives in Super8 format. It is called Andec Filmtechnik, and is based in Berlin, Germany.
Hm, i wonder. I have just bought a beautiful Eumig Mark 610D, very similar to yours actually, it is just slightly larger, is made mostly of metal, and has more settings for framerates. But, when switching framerates, at certain higher speeds, it will pull down a light-blueish lens in front of the film. Why is this? I see you have it too. Mine does also have a similar thing, only it is not a lense, rather a metal disc with a few holes in it, to just let dim light through when threading. I didn't see mention of it in the manual either.
Duncanthrax these 600 series projectors made by eumig that have the slow motion setting all have those two filters. One is glass and the second is a screen. They are used because your lamp is very hot and under certain frame rates it will burn your film. At the standard 18fps the film cant burn because of its speed. The 610 is exactly the same as the 614 with the only difference in appearance. The 610 is from the 70’s and the 614 from the 80’s.
So, my question is accept an negative super 8mm cartridge , the two of them can be watch in super 8 film projector ? With out sending to the lab??
All super 8 cartridges need to be sent to a lab for chemical processing once shot in a camera!
I have some 8mm movies that I want to digitise. I bought a wolverine but the film keeps getting stuck and I have to constintly pull it through. The film look kind of moldy, maybe that is why it get stuck. What options do I have to digitise these memoris of my father?
When film is moldy or damaged it can be very difficult and especially for doing it yourself at home you probably will not get good results. The Wolverine has many problems and I wouldn't use it when looking for quality scans. You'll likely need to seek out a lab/transfer house that offers scanning services and talk to them about the state that the film is in. It will likely be expensive, but the results that you can get from a proper machine are often unachievable in any other way. There are many places out there, but I recommend Frame Discreet (Toronto), Film Photography Project (New York), Pro8mm (L.A.)
How do you get a super 8 cartridge transferred to a reel so you can play it on a projector?
My understanding is that most labs give you the film on the reel.
Is this the best super 8 projector to buy?
on the note of sound super 8 there is splicing tape for making J And L cuts on super 8 which makes me curious about getting a sound super film and splicing the sound track on to my silent recording and then recording over it. Have you tried that?
That’s a really interesting idea! I haven’t tried anything like that but it would be cool to get some sort of audio going on the film. It would be tricky I’d imagine, even just based on how small that magnetic tape strip is to remove it and attach it to a new roll.
Sorry for the late response.... related to sound super 8 you might have already heard of it but there are super 8 mag strippers that well splice a magnetic strip to your silent super 8 film I have only seen one pop up on eBay. But i did find this video showing one,
th-cam.com/video/tIT63jIB0U8/w-d-xo.html
@@MisterGraa I think I've looked at those devices online before and it's such an interesting piece of film gear. It would be interesting to get one and play around with it on some Super 8!
It would be interesting. On Another note early while I went thrifting found myself a super 8 splicer I didn’t have and i needed one so that’s cool, have you had any interesting finds.
@@MisterGraa Nothing in a little while actually, but last year I did come across what's currently my favourite Super 8 camera, the Yashica LD-6, at a thrift store in my city that's constantly overpriced and picked over. $15 I believe it was and I was beyond thrilled with the find.
I have a few questions because I'm going to attempt to make a Super 8 projector instead of buying one
1. For the spinning shutter, do you know exactly how fast it is going? Or is it just going fast?
2. Does how fast the take up wheel is spinning determine how fast the film is going (I.e. 18 fps) or is it the spinning shutter that spins at the 18 fps?
3. For slide projectors, the light has to go through a condenser lens, a glass panel, another condenser lens and then the actual slide film. For a super 8 projector, does the light go through the super 8 film and then the projector lens?
Hi, thats an interesting project, let me help. 1: the shutter rotates at 18fps but in one revolution blinds the film three times and transports the film once each revolution. 2: the take up reel does not determine the speed. The runs on a slipper clutch. The claw and sprockets determine the speed. If the take up reel will pull to hard on the film it will destroy it. 3: yes and no, the setup in modern (say 1970’s ) projectors is a halogen lamp with reflector and no extra lensen. Older ones have a seperate reflector and condensor lens. If you search here on youtube how a filmprojector works there is much information about the setup of a projector
Can anyone tell me what type of projector I could use to view a Super 8 Cartridge? Its filmed on Kodachrome II Super 8 Color Movie Film, but I'm not sure where I could find a projector. Again, this is a cartridge, not an open reel of film
A Super 8 cartridge needs to be developed after it's run through the camera. The developed film is returned to you on a reel. You can't play a cartridge. The film in a cartridge is undeveloped, or maybe not even exposed.
Tenho 4 projetor super 8mm
What's the name of that website about projectors ?
Check the description for links!
But super 8 comes in a cartridge not a film wheel like that, what projector will be compatible with that?
When super 8 film is developed at a film lab it is taken out of the cartridge.
Stupid question is it possible to play 16mm film in super 8mm projector?
No it’s just physically too large and 8mm projectors aren’t built for it
Few things to note.
1) 24fps is the "industry" standard, not a "digital" standard. It's been around since the very beginning of 35mm projection and electric motor drive. So Super 8 cameras and projectors that do not shoot 24fps, are not really industry standard format. Thus, when you convert them to digital, you need to go through a frame duplicating process since the transfer machines can only run at 24fps.
2) Super 8 audio was actually two stripes, one on either side of the film.
3) Magnetic audio can still be used via older cartridges OR striped onto finished films by Andec.
4) All projectors should be gone through before running because generally, those rubber belts wear out and the plastic gears can crack. There are very few projectors that can withstand the test of time without falling apart. So it's actually a wise idea to first open the back up and check the main belt before putting film through it.
"Super 8 cameras and projectors that do not shoot 24fps, are not really industry standard format" - Super 8 traditionally shoot at 18 fps, so it is a standard format for Super 8. Super 8 cameras shooting at 24 fps are more upscale. But with modern digital cameras capable to shoot at 24 fps with sound and no need to process the footage I don't see a point in Super 8.
Reflective Observer I mean the point of shooting super 8 is to get the look of super 8, which doesn’t look like digital at all.
@LittleDragonProductions, 24 fps was not the standard from the beginning of 35 mm projection. In the silent film era, frame rates varied.
Wait a second, so what was the point in the past to shoot negative film? Negative can be turned into a positive right?
The largest benefit of shooting onto a negative is that multiple positive prints can be struck from the same negative. Negative films are designed to be copied. That's how professional movies were typically made. Positive films, in contrast, weren't really meant to be copied. They were only meant to be viewed. But for amateur home movies, copying usually isn't important, so home movies would usually be shot on reversal film, which is developed directly into a positive, with no printing involved.
But, i am using Vision 3 kodak film, and then sending them to andec lab in germany to get them developed. they say they do positive prints as well, why exactly does vision 3 not work then?
It only works if you can get a positive print made and Andec is the only lab in the world that’s able to do that! If you aren’t able to send it to Andec you would would need to shoot a reversal film instead. Vision3 film comes out as a negative so you can’t project it without having a print made, so if people are looking for a film type to simply shoot and project without having to send it to a specific lab to get a print made then they will need to shoot either Tri-X or Ektachrome.
@@AnalogResurgence , Wait, Tri-X and Ektachrome comes out of the camera as positive film? (excuse my noobie-ness xD)
Yup! So Tri-X and Ektachrome go through special chemicals and come out as a positive image. Vision3 film is a different kind of film and when it goes through its specific chemical process it will be a negative image. Normally you would want to shoot one of these ‘Reversal’ films (Tri-X or Ektachrome) that comes out as a positive to project, but Andec is actually setup to make a positive print from the negative that you shoot! It’s an extra step, but does mean you can shoot and ultimately project your Vision3 film if you send it to Andec and have them make a print!
@@AnalogResurgence I see, i just heard that having the negative is a great idea, since negatives capture more details, and that if the positive is damaged, you can always send the negative off once again, to get a new print. is it true that negatives capture more detail, or is it just a myth?
@@srenhaandbk7904 That is actually the best way to do it for sure! It's just hard with Super 8 because Andec is the only place in the world to be able to create those prints from Super 8 negatives so if you can use that lab I would recommend it! Negatives are more flexible with exposure and can capture more detail in the shadows and highlights. You can over expose them a bit for some really good results! Reversal film is much more strict with exposure and has different characteristics. It won't handle over-exposure or under-exposure very well at all and you will either have very dark shadows or very blown out highlights with no detail. Negatives really are the easiest to work with and lets you store your original copy for safekeeping!
Do you know you are missing a part of your eumig projector? When playing super 8 film there should be a little adapter on the front spool axle to let a super8 spool fit better. When you dont use the adapter chances are the reel falls off because there is too much space between the axle and the reel hole. Its the standard 8 size you now have the super8 reel on.
I've actually got it! It sits in right beside the lens for safe keeping when not in use. I've used it fine without it as well, the reel wiggles only a bit less with the adapter on it.
wait so do i have to have a projector or just watch the digital version?
A projector is only necessary if you shoot Tri-X or Ektachrome film and wish to watch the actual film by physically projecting it! If you get a digital scan of the film done then that also allows you to easily watch your footage.
@@AnalogResurgence so it is solely based on the film
you use?
@@hafsa-kn5bl You can have any film scanned, but only reversal film (film that is designed to be developed as a positive) is meant for projection. Color negative films need to be scanned, Tri-X and Ektachrome reversal film can be projected or scanned.
@@AnalogResurgence There is also Andec. They can print positives from Vision3. Results are good in my opinion.
Very handsome..and loves film..what a combination..kind regards :)
Wait what do you mean by the projector blinding you, do you mean you’ll lose your vision or do you mean you can’t see the projection
Actually you CAN use the sound recording features found in some of these projectors. While prestriped film is no longer made, there are post striping services that can add a sound stripe to processed, silent film. This is one guy out of Italy that was still doing it in 2017, don't know if he still is or not.
ONDA RADIO SERVICE S.R.L. (ATTENTION OF ALBERTO VANGELISTI)
Via Provinciale 35
40053 VALSAMOGGIA (BO)
ITALY
E.mail: moviemagnetic@gmail.com
tel.+39 339 3937360 (we speak only Italian, so better to write in English or other languages on e.mail
There are also sound striping machines still around, though tape and glue aren't easy to find.
i only use super 8 projectors for super 8 because i dont digitalize super 8 footage
I hate most auto-load projectors. You can't get the film out before it is all chewed up
8mm projectors are tank, you can repair them and last very long
Mate how old are you? It’s like I’m watching my dad who’s born in 1949…. You definitely are in your early 20’s 😄
Where do I find cool films ?? Not too expensive either ? I’ve got a sears 237 multi speed / zoom. Got it for 10$ at a thrift store !
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No, just No. So much wrong here.
Do you care to elaborate?
Why are you so nervous, keep your arms still, because you get a stupid head .
..... are you a karate fighter ??