"Here’s What I Think Of Jordan Peterson" - Ben Shapiro
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- Chris and Ben Shapiro discuss Ben's thoughts on Jordan Peterson. What does Ben Shapiro think of Jordan Peterson? What does Ben Shapiro wish Jordan person did more of? What brought Jordan Peterson and Ben together according to Ben Shapiro?
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Unfortunately people like Tate have filled the void that Peterson left when he went of benzos. As much as I like to hear from time to time some of the religious stuff I think Peterson was at his best when talking less about abstract problems but real life problems that men face. I wished the old Peterson would come back.
Hey Modern Wisdom team,
Just a heads up, there is a typo in the video description. It reads “Chri” instead of “Chris”
He is still trying to find his self it's a lifetime project you and Shapiro stopped looking in the mirror
100% agree with Chris on the fact that Jordan is at his best when he is practical and less political.
Less geo-political, not political in general. He's good on theory and usually correct when it comes to culture (which currently is very political) Then again I also think Ben should stay away from geo-politics. It isn't his strength and his takes are painfully bad to the point of often dishonest.
@@LabelsAreMeaningless he is jew first, always.
It's because political topics have heavy confirmation bias embedded in the propaganda narratives that get generated and propagated - and propaganda uses emotional manipulation to interfere with critical thinking, of which it is quite obvious by today - and which Jordan, his wife et al, are aware of - Jordan doesn't have emotional regulation. Instead he uses his strong mind to suppress his emotions - his heart and feelings are otherwise not integrated into a congruent autonomous nervous system, his emotions suppressed-repressed, and why he is prone to being impulsive such as cheerleading on Twitter for Netanyahu to "give 'em hell" - of which now the Palestinian civilian population certainly have felt his manifestation of words, and this hell continues to attempt to expand into this 4th reich's genocidal expansionist plans. After I pointed out on Twitter that he's seemingly an intelligent ideologue that he warned us as being the most dangerous, in his Beyond Order book, as they've convinced themselves they're really right - he and/or his handlers blocked me - a necessary isolation tactic to string along their puppets, to maintain the veil/illusion of long-running propaganda narratives, as part of their censorship-suppression-narrative control apparatus; from my perspective, "don't shoot the messenger," Jordan's on a path to hell unless or until he begins healing practices to clear his blocked heart, to calm his heart, so that it may begin to integrate into the neural network algorithm of his mind - so that his ego mind can stop the suppression-repression of his heart, and so that he can develop empathy and compassion, and not have a biased view - and not be so easily manipulated by emotion.
@@LabelsAreMeaningless Like what?
@@LabelsAreMeaninglessya I’m curious like what genuinely
Jordan Peterson is the kind of guy who makes you live life differently.
In my case, it was a positive experience from a distance.
But you guys who know him personally...
That has gotta be a trip!
Someone should ask Jordan Peterson what he thinks of Jordan Peterson
Edit: Thanks for the likes. Y’all are hilarious 😂
Well, what the hell do you even mean by that?
@@Kris.G 😂I heard his voice in my head while reading that …
Thanks for the lol
"Depends what you mean by 'think'. It's not immediately clear what that means. Nietzsche believed thoughts were an echo of your experiences but can one be said to have experienced oneself? So in a sense it is meaningless to ask someone what they think of themselves. It's not even immediately clear what part of me you are asking about"
@@ifanguitar
😂😂😂omg, stop. I can’t breathe
"Well let's back it up and say, y'know. Maybe your life's not going how you want it to. Maybe you're a mess and you have no social life and everything's horrible. The thoughts you have then aren't the thoughts you have now. See, because your thoughts are an outpouring of yourself, based on what's within. So."
judgmentcallpodcast covers this. Ben Shapiro discusses Jordan Peterson.
Maps of Meaning is a Bear of a book. It took me six months to read it. Read a paragraph, think about it for 30 minutes, and so on, and so forth.
Yep I had to keep going back to it. I read his other two books first even though I started with that one.
And unfortunately he logically concluded to prevent tyranny and the horrors of genocide, to avoid atrocity, it comes down to the individual - but where he was unable to actually embody that, instead cheerleading for Netanyahu to "give 'em hell" to the occupied Palestinian population.
He says he wrote each and every sentence of that book 50+ times, individually, one by one, before moving on to the next.....a GRUELLING manner of writing, but that depth of investment (and surely, inner turmoil) can definitely be echoed in the reading experience on the other end .....I think he wrote that to be endured the way you describe.
@@mattmyers2624he has err'd so many times on his path, but he ALWAYS sees his mistakes and course corrects...give him time: he's a small town, Canadian bumpkin, hick, basically, and is slow to pick up on the underside of geopolitics... he's not quite blinded by conventional politicking, but he can't quite help but anchor himself there, each time having to learn from scratch what "conspiracy theorists" try to warn about...either way, a current misalignment doesn't invalidate his history.
@@mattmyers2624 One can become blinded by compassion, I myself have been a victim of this so many times that I feel shame about not learning this sooner, are you sure that your understanding of that conflict is greater than his? JP might be wrong of course, but you might also be wrong. He is an actual genius, incredibly well read and more insightful than most. What are the odds that he misunderstands the situation compared to the possibility that you have misunderstood the situation? Again, not saying he is right, but are you so sure of your own understanding to dismiss his outright? I myself used to be a Palestinian supporter and see them as the obvious victims, my compassion hindered me to see the complexity of it all and how the destructive forces in the Palestinian mindset has made them their own peoples greatest enemies.
The majority of Jordan’s critics have never listened to him. They’ve listened to someone else’s opinion who they think they agree with and parrot their opinion. People are hungry for day to day guidance on leading their lives with good outcomes. He helped people be more certain about living. He’s full of insight. Everyone’s light bulbs would go off and they’d get that a-ha moment!
I think the opposite is true. His critics are generally people who have read as much as he has and have come to different conclusions. His FANS are the ones who don’t have enough background knowledge to understand that he’s largely full of bs.
@@rodblues6832 Utter bullsh1t
@@rodblues6832yea no, people generally don’t listen people they disagree with as much as people they agree with. Hence why conservatives mostly watch Fox and liberals watch CNN, maybe you disagree with Jordan and have read a substantial amount of his work but that’s not the normals Jordan hater to to speak
I agree. People expect things to stay the same, but they cannot, and we humans don't either. If we are stuck in our own rut of what we like to hear, then that is our problem, not the speaker's.
Do you not see the irony in your comment? How do you know what content a majority of Jordan's critics have listened to? Did you poll his critics and ask how much time they've listented to him? If so, how many did you poll? You need a sufficient sample size to extrapolate to the entirety of the critic base. Of the criticism I see online of him, it's not about his philosophy on how to live life. It's his political opinions and intellectual laziness when trying to argue the validity of his religion.
Maybe I'm just biased but I also love his spiritual stuff and political stuff. It all ties in nicely with his psychology stuff.
Yes. His contribution of life tips, his clinical experience, his comm9n sense and practicality, his concrete answers that we’ve never heard before, facilitated growth in so many people. I saw so many people listen to him and improve. He helped relationships in families, he helped young people get strong, he gave people hope and direction. Parents are often lacking that information and can’t communicate without criticizing.
His #1 advice is never lie. NEVER.
Jordan Peterson is one of our greatest humanitarians in the world today ! And an intellectual giant.
Well spoken by the person who probably shouldn't be allowed to vote
@@Public-jm1cbwell spoken by someone who thinks someone should be denied basic rights because they admire a figure that you hate because you personally disagree with their politics.
@@georgepoly4842 it's not even because I personally disagree with Peterson, I just can't imagine how stupid someone would have to be to call him a great humanitarian and an intellectual giant.
@@Public-jm1cb Tell us which of his beliefs or positions you disagree with.
@@Extra_050 i think he's wrong to be pushing the carnivore diet because studies seem to show that red meat heavy diets lead to shorter lives
Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson are both great minds, and therefore it is no big surprise they can get along. Great people!
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I DEFINITELY want Ben to do a show analysing the Bible and great works of literature! That would be the best! Hopefully there's enough people like me who want that too!!!
My life has been completely transformed since I tidied my room.
how so?
Love listening to both of you.
I 1,000% agree that he's at his best when he's his most practical. If you listen to his new series Depression and Anxiety it's 100% that practical, psycho-analysis that I love love love to hear from him.
It was interesting to hear Ben talk about the tension between what his audience wants and what he wants to do. As a long time listener of Ben's daily show (though only intermittently the last couple of years), I have sensed a boredom from Ben with his show. If I were a friend of his, I would encourage him to step back from the daily show or reduce its frequency, so he can focus more on those things that he is excited about.
What Ben said here about content creators on platforms is basically this: You either make content you are authentically interested in and not many people will like it, or you become a big content creator by catering to the changing demands of the masses and be a bit inauthentic by doing so. You either give the people what they want and gain further fame or you stay small by sticking to what you know and really enjoy. This explains the activity of many creators as well as Jordan Peterson’s trajectory from self-improvement to political content. No wonder so many people usually turn more radical. Radicalism gets them more clicks and engagement.
@ryand1404 that's a great point; i would add that almost all fields and industries (not just creative fields) seem to become less honest and more corrupt as they scale to a level of mass appeal and mass sales. This is probably only exacerbated by ubiquitous and very visible interaction between formerly innocent creative people and "The Algorithm," whether that of TH-cam or any other platform.
All of our favorite creators have already justified some level of algorithmic behavior to themselves (foot-in-the-door sales technique), and therefore they become ambassadors of the positive aspects and benefits of "The Algorithm" to multiples of followers. And of course there are positive aspects and advantages of "The Algorithm."
But because the foot is already in the door, discussions of the negative aspects & drawbacks are rare regarding the built-in, platform-level radicalization that you describe - unless of course it is to accuse some opponent or other of abusing it. So it is up to disinterested commenters I suppose to point out some remedies, not just to diagnose and point fingers.
One remedy is to limit the time you spend scrolling & clicking, of course. Beyond that, I like to recommend actively interacting with video content instead of always being a passive consumer. *Write down* your reactions to the content you consume, including additional sources and citations. When you connect the dots for yourself and synthesize a genuine response to the viewpoints you consume, occasionally you'll be in complete agreement - but most often, you'll discover for yourself that the most radical "hot takes" are things you don't really agree with, and now you know WHY.
@@simalakasatsimaganda Yes, at some point everyone must bow to Father Algorithm 🙇♂️ The Algorithm determines All and the Algorithm is All. It is through Father Algorithm we receive out content and must be grateful. Thanks to Daddy Algorithm, we receive the radical hot takes so that we can argue with each other and pump up Daddy Algorithm’s glory. We few who are free of Algorithm’s shackles will try to carve our own paths but we will also probably come crawling back.
That's a gross mischaracterization. He's simply says that what he has to balance what is most interesting to him with what appeals to his larger audience. This can be done while remaining intellectually honest.
Jordan Peterson has helped more people than anyone here in the comments section. I enjoy his takes no matter what the topic is.
Yes! Ben please do more historical content and BIG ideas!
Meaning is the deepest thing inside of us and most difficult to understand and investigate without tying ourselves in knots.
1:26 we got camera movement in the podcast before gta 6
Kamala hand moves becoming trend 😂
I for one, want Jordan to do the political stuff. I think he brings a clarity to politics which people don't have. Although i don't watch politics, i would like him to debate more people in poitics after acquiring expertise in it.
Ben, I would absolutely love commentary / interpretation of the Bible or WW2 or any of those things you mentioned.
Have you never heard his commentary on the Bible?
@@stephensullivan1011 nope
Sadly the great military historian John Keegan died in 2012, so Ben would not be able to sit down with him. But it would be great to see his idea of a series with historians come to life.
I think if Ben Shapiro did an episode with a likeminded Rabbi about the Bible, with an emphasis on history, politics, war, Hitler and today’s war against the Middle East-it would be wildly popular. I’d watch it.
He only speaks to "safe" populist podcasters and college kids..
That's literally every episode of his podcast.
@@sercastamere9853 Name one episode in the last year on which he discusses these topics with a Rabbi? I listen to his Podcasts and I would hate to have missed it.
Jordan Peterson changed my life, and after introducing him to my sons, he has changed their lives also. All for the best. I have the utmost respect for Jordon and Shapiro and Williamson!
I would love a series of discussions with historians. I would subscribe to Daily Wire for that and for Jordan’s biblical discussions.
All Jordan’s current stuff on daily wire is worth a month subscription, his new biblical stuff is good
You GOTTA check out jbp's Exodus seminar on daily wire. It's unbelievable that we live in a time where we can access that information so easily...
Hope you get to enjoy that :)
The Exodus seminars you can find for free here on YT. They are well worth to support by paying though, but If you wish to try it first it is well worth it. Its some of the most insightful discussions I have ever heard.
@@anderslennartsson1828 Yeah I listened to those earlier this year as they were released. They were interesting.
He should continue giving not only practical and life advice, but also some political stuff but without letting it get him
Disagree. Solecism is our number one fault. MEME.
All what I can say, you can always learn from JP, positives and negatives.
Grest stuff. I quit watching DW when Hamas attacked Israel because Ben was so super focused on those issues. It just wasn't what I wanted to spend an hour a day on. I still love Ben, but I haven't got back in the DW habit.
a lot of people enjoy listening to Jordan Peterson speak, including himself.
Pretty sure he would prefer a quieter life.
@@ftdadtrucker5672oh yeah right! This is a guy who “interviews” people and ends up talking 80% of the time. He’s beyond unbearable.
@@rodblues6832 Ive noticed that, it got so annoying!
The irony of this comment.
@@rodblues6832yeah it’s always asking questions.
Shapiro is right, peterson is curious and it leads him in his thought.
his fear he says is speaking to much. his fear is that he will taint his image and ruin all the good he could do.
Jordan's We Who Wrestle with God series is by far his greatest contribution and I can't wait to read the book.
But you can't sustain those outstanding "daily" practices that consistently change a person without a deep appreciation of a profound foundational perspective. It's the strong religious and cultural foundation that makes daily practices possible and sustainable.
His interview with elon was so disappointing, every point of elon he tried to force it into some weird religious context. That interview could have been epic
From what I understand Jordan now is trying to figure out the human narrative trough wich the practical can rest, and he have found out the religious language to make sense to that human narrative, also he mentions a lot the importance of something bigger than humans so that the leaders can have principles and something above them that don't make them feel like they are the gods
Why is everyone always giving their opinion on Jordan Peterson?
He famous
He's in the same league as Ron Burgundy. Kind of a big deal.
Because he is simple. A gateway.
Why not?
Because he's the great intellectual of our time
Chris is questioning so straight and honest here. I have alot of respect for that
yes yes...do the historian roundtable, that would be great!
Ben I would love the history round table idea
I've been listening to Peterson for close to 9 years. He stated that he "lives on the edges of things." From a religious perspective, I find his unwillingness to take a position on key biblical events frustrating at times. For example, it took Alex O'Connor several attempts to get Jordan to take a position on the resurrection. The New Testament accounts, while containing broad truth claims that Jordan primarily focuses on, are eyewitness accounts. At some point, one needs to either believe the eyewitness accounts or not believe them.
Why? Why should we force others to take positions they do not wish to take? The trope of the sage is to give vague answers for a reason, you rob the person of their own adventure if you simply tell them what they should believe instead of giving them the tools to figure it out for themselves. "Do what is meaningful, not what is expedient". Also, he is wildly aware that people mean different things with basically all statements, so if he straight up tells us his position, the majority will just misunderstand him based on their own personal narrative.
Why do people insist that he "take a position" on anything? He's not obliged to explain his deepest beliefs for someone's curiosity on TH-cam. Let the man have his privacy, and continue his faith journey in his own time.
Day 34 of asking Mr. Chris Williamson about his turgid, tediously pompous or bombastic, and aspiring trophy husband forearms routine.
GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT CHRIS!!!
Lot's of master-bation...
AND switch hands. Most people only use one, but ya gotta switch.
2:50 "everything turns into god" next ad "Jordan Peterson understanding god" haha perfect timing
I actually learned something about running a public education business listening to this
JP's discussions on self improvement and navigating life are leagues above any other self-help material. He's earned a lot of respect for that. But his discussions on religion and politics are nowhere near that quality. There are so many intellectual blunders that it brings all of his work into question, which is a shame.
For Instance?
I think the stoics got self help down better than anyone, but it is preference
I liked your post as soon as I read the first two sentences. And then, you missed the plot. Jordan's understanding of "religion" is the most concise and yet comprehensive I've eber heard.
@@arthurtrentndala6449that's because when Jordan talks about religion it's so vague and nebulous that any narcissistic fool who's listening can make up any interpretation they want and think themselves intelligent
@@Public-jm1cb for 3 years, I have come to listen to Jordan actually and found that if anything, he's TOO precise. When I listen to his biblical lectures, i get often so uncomfortable and have to often pause as he ever so often says something that he will wallop me at the deepest axiomatic level of what I believe -- it is very redemptive and compelling for me to pay attention to what it is exactly and precisely that I believe and act like I do. To me, Jordan is as a prophet -- he is understanding things no one else does as well as he does.
So, no. Vague? Not Jordan. Have you actually listened to his biblical lectures on TH-cam carefully?
I love jordan peterson, but I dont watch as much as i used to because he's too political. It's not that i disagree with his stances im just more interested in self development
I love Jordan Peterson! I now make my bed everyday!
Creating more in-depth content on big ideas has a lot more longevity than doing a daily show talking about current events. The politics of the day will likely be transitory, whereas a detailed breakdown of an important historical period will still remain relevant to future audiences.
Jordan’s doing what you guys need to be doing drawing closer to Jesus. He just doesn’t know it yet or maybe he does.
You don’t need to draw closer to a man fabricated/ bolstered by the Roman Empire to control the masses. Use your own mental faculties to be truly righteous, otherwise you will remain a tool for the ruling elite.
everything JP's doing is great, the biggest problem is his obsession with christianity and his idea that western culture is superior. If he let go of these two things that are holding him back, he could become one of the greatest philosophers of meaning of our time.
@@ysf-d9i what civilisation is superior to western? Do you see any africain cars in the streets? Do you use middle-eastern or african medecine? Do Bengladesh or Nigeria send rockets to space? Do you see a lot of south-american or polynesian architecture around? What non-european languages are spoken on all 6 continents? What non-european artists and philosophers are known and admired on all 6 continents by everyone? Who designed the language, the phone, the internet and the platform on which you are typing right now? If you are dangerously sick, in what country do you want to be taken care of: Switzerland or Somali? Germany or Afghanistan? Danemark or Iran?
@@mrpierreedel I don't believe that materialism is the basis for superiority.
@@ysf-d9i then what about free speech, human rights, respect for human life and a live and let live mentality? Of course the west have plenty of issues, but you always have to ask yourself, compared to what? Compared to what civilization is the western civilization worse? The next question is, what hard facts do you have to back up your claim? Read or listen to Thomas Sowell if you want tools to compare culture and civilizations based on more metrics than material, though material are of course incredibly important for a civilization to afford being good.
"Here is what I think of my employee" fixed it for you.
9:52 I think he’s right. I recommend also the podcast ‚the rest is history‘ pretty much the same idea, Tom Holland and a colleague dive into different historical times.
Okay I have to speak out. Not a fan of the zoom panning at all. Love the podcast, not the panning. Please stop, respectively :)
Yeah it’s kinda weird lol
Personally, I hate politics. It's done nothing but cause an irreversible division in society. Having only seen Ben talking politics due to the YT algorithm, I admittedly was impartial about him. This changed my mind.
We need more influencers talking about things with substance that aren't politics. We need to bridge the division and educate future generations as opposed to the current state of social media which lacks substance in exchange for instant gratification
Darn good questions man.
A lot of people have said A lot of things about Jordan Peterson
Chris I absolutely agree, I've noticed too. There's a huge contingent of his fans who miss the old professor who was less angry and unhinged. I don't like the U-turn of Peterson, especially the Twitter Peterson.
TBF everyone is a worse person on Twitter. He blocked me lol.
The psychological question is directly related to the political environment.
"we don't like his religious side..." "he needs to come back (to the real world)" Have to at least admire in some degree Williamson's consistency when it comes to shunning the faithful
i like both but he does seem to not do much of the non political / non deep symbolic stuff that much anymore
I felt Dr. Peterson was at his best when doing the "Genesis" lecture series. I feel he has gotten to the point where he imposes a perhaps overly simplistic chaos/order dynamic on to the biblical stories, where there is SO much more to it.
Not necessarily shunning. He just doesn't have any interest in it personally.
The true framework for men's self development is finding God. It's finding Christ, and acknowledging He is. Peterson never left self-development, he brought thousands of young men home. "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom".
this format really suits me
Unfortunately people like Tate have filled the void that Peterson left when he went of benzos. As much as I like to hear from time to time some of the religious stuff I think Peterson was at his best when talking less about abstract problems but real life problems that men face. I wished the old Peterson would come back.
No one even watches or listens to tate anymore.
@@michaelkendall1263 Well he is losing influence now. But you would be surprised how many unironcially defend him although he himself openly admitted to being a pimp.
I do not ever want to go back to pandemic broadcasting, I would rather pretend it didn't happen, but there's a wealth of stuff on TH-cam for my kids when they get older to help them understand that time like no other time in history.
Really? The Plague killed. AIDS killed. COVID inconvenienced.
The Right Side of History is a masterpiece! I recommend it to all my friends
I would love Ben talking more about the Bible as well as history
Jordan is making a case - particularly for men that returning to god is a correct path vs the often atheist teachings that appeal to desires and the orintation of You being a master vs a Christian path that to best serve yourself you serve God aka without a higher order to orientate around men or women befome lost (again).
I imagine his turn to politics and religion have more to do with him and his wife having death scares with health. Not DW
yeah, because if you move past the surface, you realize that he's not talking about politics or religion. he's talking about the meaning of life and he's desperately trying to find it when all rational evidence points to the possibility that none may exist.
@@ysf-d9i he should watch the movie Mr.Nobody
@@ysf-d9iRationality is the only logic that presupposes that it, itself, both pre-exists ( superceding creation) and doesn't exist as a product of creation, at the same time.
@@HuFlungDung2 I wouldn't say so. I guess a lot of people use it that way, but I don't.
For me, it's simply that rationality (i.e logic) is the best thing I have. I can totally imagine a higher order universe with higher orders of logic that I do not have access to, which is why the "can god do something logically contradictory like create a stone he himself can't lift" arguments don't work for me.
It's totally conceivable to me that if an almighty creator existed, that they would be able to supersede logic.
Not that I believe in one, I'm not religious.
But in any case, I don't assume that logic and rationality came before creation, I simply don't have better tools to use.
Chris is starting a new TH-cam channel called "What's your opinion on Jordan Peterson"
Your audience does want your analysis on Genesis. Maybe have it as a "Who you are section" that focuses on cares and backgrounds that havent been covered yet.
Like the On My Nightstand concept.
Ben, tell us your perspective on the extent of Mosad’s influence on the U.S. government and media…
"I think he's great."
There, i saved you 15 min 😂
I almost feel like he’s talking about me 🥰🤣🤣
Such a contrast between Ben and Eric Weinstein. Eric basks in the questions themselves, and the insight to why the questions are what they are, he indulges like a wine. But Ben is like crawling in skin after 2 words thinking he fully understands the question and he knows what you're going to say so don't bother and let him answer 😂. It's like listening to my kids mom talk knowing she's going to belabor every point and try to repeat it over and over and over again while barely rephrasing.
I got a completely different feel. Weinstein has an axe to grind, and everything goes back to how he was unjustly shunned by academia and his resulting conspiracies around that.
Ben seemed much more content with his life and he wants to bring what he's learned to others rather than just talking about how he was unjustly treated or w/e
@@ysf-d9i wasn't judging either of them. Just the style of how they're interviewed.
@@mikeb5067 to say people contrast is judging, i agree they do but you are judging
@@mikeb5067hence you didnt bring up chris once, this comment wasnt of the interviewer questions but of the responses
@@spidle2653 lol what? Judging and noticing is not the same thing.
YESSS!!! Please do the round table about WW 2 Ben!!! 🙏👌🙂
I couldn't agree with you more, gentlemen.
jordan certainly does search for answers, that's definitely true. trouble is, he searches for answers that fit presupposed conclusions.
I’d love to say what I think about both Peterson and Shapiro, but I’m pretty sure that would get me banned.
Then what are you doing watching a video about both of them? Seek out things that gives you value, hate watching is not good for the soul.
love this
Jordan Peterson became Shapiro's useful idiot. It's a sad situation
As a therapist i like jordan as a clinical, hate it as anything political... still, everthing in the US is political and the full bag of beliefs it comes with it, no half.
I listen to most of your speakers at playback speed x2… except Ben Shapiro
Ben is dancing around it in the absolute nicest way possible, venting about his audience without getting them upset. But the translation is pretty clearly, "Most of the people watching my show are legitimately dumb people, that aren't interested in deep conversations, so it's annoying that I have to keep things topical."
It's pretty telling when you say, "My audience would be upset at me, if I criticize Trump for saying insane & crazy things on social media, if wants to have a chance at winning." - Oh? They're mad that you're pointing out that one of the most powerful people on the planet throwing an adult version of a hissy-fit is unprofessional, and makes him look bad to the average person? This is almost equivalent to someone getting mad when you tell them the WWE is scripted because it breaks the suspension of disbelief for them.
True but I think his stances and actions regarding diplomacy, economics, and the border are solid. So he’s got my vote. The alternative is actively trying to dismantle the nation.
The choice is absolutely clear.
@@jordonlongley6576 Eh. I guess I'll give my two cents, I don't expect agreement.
Diplomacy: Harris is adopting more centrist stances, which is likely going to lead to better outcomes regarding bipartisan agreements. The only real credit I can give the current Biden-Harris office, is they have been able to get a lot of support from both sides, passing things through. Legislation has been smooth 2020-2024, regardless of whether or not I disagree on the passed policy. - Trump had a Republican House & Senate, and was not able to unite both sides to get anything done. The only things he was able to get through, was mostly through executive order, and I really dislike the usage of centralized federal power.
Economics: Harris' economic policy is horrible, frankly. Although Trump seems to think tariffs are a good solution. As a staunchly pro-capitalist person, restricting free trade so heavily is a major issue for me. Somehow, for the first time in a very long time, the Republican candidate is proposing, equally horrible policy as the Dems.
Border: I would really urge you to actually read the border bill he struck down. Media/politicians aren't solid sources for information when they say the bill was bad. Striking that down for political momentum, is truly abhorrent. If you actually read the proposal, it was really solid.
I voted for him in 2020, but watching the division he pushed after the election really did it in for me. As far as "dismantling" goes, explicitly stating that we should supersede & suspend the constitution, the literal guiding document of our nation. That is quite literally the most destructive idea posed to our nation, almost definitionally so.
@jordonlongley6576 "actively trying to dismantle the nation" ooooh so dramatic. Too bad that in reality it'll be almost exactly the same no matter who gets elected and the imagined differences between the candidates are what keep us fighting and distracted.
@@Public-jm1cb yes, it's called bread and circuses. There are fringe elements that truly hate the other side, but most Americans aren't that far apart in their core beliefs. And the world won't come to an end, regardless of which candidate wins. We've had bad Presidents from both parties in the past, and the country survived. The one important issue than neither party has been willing to address for decades is the out of control spending. Trump is paying it lip service this time around, but I doubt that anything will come from it.
@@Public-jm1cb yes, it's called bread and circuses. There are fringe elements that truly hate the other side, but most Americans aren't that far apart in their core beliefs. And the world won't come to an end, regardless of which candidate wins. We've had bad Presidents from both parties in the past, and the country survived. The one important issue than neither party has been willing to address for decades is the out of control spending. Trump is paying it lip service this time around, but I doubt that anything will come from it.
Ben Shapiro seems to always be in overdrive.
We now know Ben Shapiro needs a B channel to discuss his analysis of the old testament and any other book he has read. Once this election is over I don't want to hear about politics for at least 18 months.
There's so much hate out there for JBP, everyone thinks they're smarter than him
Jordan is great 👍. Dude's doctorate in psychology is nothing to scoff at.
He literally has segments on Pdiddy
He sold out when the jq came up and gave up on being intellectually curious
What the hell is the camera operator doing?
I disagree. Video essays and documentaries can have staying power. I saw Free to Choose and it was a major mind blowing moment for me. It showed me there was a logical alternative viewpoint to the left's economic view.
8:14 I loved Ben’s book club, I honestly would deeply enjoy his interpretation on the books of Moses and would love to have the book club back!
Jesus
Ben wants SO badly to be considered as on the same level as JBP.
He's not.
I think Jordan should go even MORE right-brain
I’ve watched Free to Choose at least 3 times hahah
When JP sticks to things he knows about he is great. His philosophy and theology are woeful tho
Well, like opinion is subjective, you know. Probably Jordan Peterson.
It's the equivelant of everyone shitting on trump.
The saying "those who can't do, teach" comes to mind. I know it doesn't fit. But the vibe speaks to me.
A bunch of people just trying to alut off the hype of another.
JP definitely moved me in a positive direction, but he took the positive role model/internet father for men to crazy uncle at Thanksgiving dinner pipeline. He's got some good takes still, but he's also got some unhinged absurdities and I think we all do, but I know we all aren't proclaiming our credentials to our mass followings of online influence. Take caution my friends.
The Living Philosophy has 2 or 3 really good videos on him that bring words to my thoughts.
If you don't think JBP is unhinged, please explain the 100+ manic rageful sometimes eerily poetic tweets a day, including calling a certain someone a rat last week and then later apologizing to the rats because they are only acting in accordance with their nature. I think the radical left really did organize to end his career, but I think he did most of himself, becoming the monster they had made him out to be. He's definitely not giving "enlightened intellectual."
I challenge you to give me a link of Jordan saying something unhinged or crazy. Bet ya can't do it.
@@johnkross7227 I think they're probably referring to his skepticism of climate science and vaccinations etc.
Personally, I find his desperate attempt to try to tie everything to christianity/the bible off putting. That said, his exploration of meaning and reality is incredibly important, and it's sad most people are not interested.
@@ysf-d9i I'd encourage you read my above reply to his comment, I've followed Peterson for years and read parts of Maps of Meaning and about a quarter of 12 Rules. It certainly is the manic behavior and the messianic complex for me. I think he's drunk on symbolism.
@@He.knows.nothing unfortunately youtube really dislikes non-woke people. You really have to be super careful with your wording, and even then, it'll delete like 80% of your comments.
So your other comment was probably auto-deleted.
But yeah I dislike symbolism too. Trying to get to the core of things is hard enough, symbolism and being obsessed with tying it to christianity is just obfuscating it even more IMO.
Not sure about manic behavior though.
@@ysf-d9i I've removed everything I can think of and I even tried replying it to you to try and Trojan horse my way in. I will have to make peace with taking the L in silence on this one
Peterson effect on Canadian politics
I unsubsidised to JBP after his current political actions.
Historians most definitely