To add to that cycle, after Bittersprings the NCR takes over the camp and tries to make amends to those still there, like a refugee camp of sorts. In the hills an old bitter Khan who was there when the Massacre happened has taken it upon himself to kill NCR troopers with his sniper rifle.
Very little is black or white in Fallout. Even the good guy is usually a murdering psychopath about half the time.... maybe 75/25 psychopath to good guy. There's a great line by Deacon in Fallout 4 where he is in the player's company during a fight and he says "Before I met you I went whole weeks without killing anyone."
The Khans are also interesting because of all the factions in New Vegas, they are one of the only ones who are destroyed in all but one ending. Either going out in a blaze of glory or slowly being ground down into dust. In the one ending they survive, where you convince them to let go of the past and become something new, they leave Nevada with the Followers of the Apocalypse (who i’m sure will be covered in a later video) and found a new empire in Wyoming. Not another raider gang, but a proper new nation.
Can't you also give them a history book about Ghengis Khan? And then they decide to become nomads, so they don't stay in one place long enough to get wiped out.
I’d like to think they’d just become “Greater Khans,” and in a century or two they’ll become a powerful nation and try to reclaim their ancestral territory from the NCR.
Definitely one of the cooler factions. I won’t spoil the game, but the Khans have multiple endings based on what you can do for them and who you talk to. For the most part, asking them to stay and fight during the Hoover Dam battle leads to bad outcomes for them no matter who you support during their faction quests. One of the best ways to show “sometimes the smartest thing to do in a war is not join it.”
this is one of those moments in games where as a player you realize the amount of damage you as the hero of these games have done to a whole culture after you shot almost all of them... in your POV you just want to finish a quest, gain XP, and pick up the boss loot, then you witness how low they've sunk that your next hero avatar might feel the need to help them get back up and hopefully start fresh in a new region unbothered by the big powers
Honestly, I never felt that much sympathy for them. Most of the time you interact with them, they are just the basic one-dimensional bad guys who exist to get slaughtered by our protagonist. In Vegas they are slightly more sympathetic, though only just. They are still dirty Chem hustling raiders at the end of the day, and I have no respect for that.
@@ShinigamiSamaH considering that human trafficking is a thing in Fallout, selling chems is hardly what i consider the worst. hell, the Fiends do that too, but the Fiends are like their namesake, bloodthirsty AF and cannibalistic as well. honestly i respect their warrior beliefs and while they were the enemy at one point, their leader is as decent as a Raider Gang leader is gonna get. it's like being a fan of the Klingons of Star Trek, they're a bit barbaric, but there's a certain charm in that.
@@UltimateGamerCC They're not as charming when you are on receiving end of their "barbaric charm". Just ask these girls that Garl from the first game kept for his personal entertainment. Papa Khan himself did plenty of human trafficking. The only reason he stopped is because most of this gang was slaughtered.
Even though they were rivals and the khans generally were horrible people, the NCR really does seem to view bitter springs as a horrible mistake (at least a lot of them do). According to in game sources, the commander had bad intell (it seems like the NCR didn’t realize bitter springs was the HOME of the khans and not just a large gang outpost) and told them “to keep shooting until you run out of bullets” but when it later became clear what was actually happening the same commander had a mental break down and his second in command had to take over, who immediately stopped the firing and began trying to save as many as the could. They let the survivors resettle, and set up a refugee camp. Though I’m sure several higher ups and many NCR civilians who had suffered at the hands of the great khans were actually pleased with the outcome.
You really must watch Saga of Tanya The Evil. There was an episode where she ordered one of her men to start shooting, he didn't want to shoot until he saw through the scope the eyes of one boy filled with anger, he understood then that he must either shoot to kill or that boy will one day become a soldier and seek them out and kill them. War is hell, its not nice that most people try to forget that. There no right people in a war, there are only people who are left after a war.
A fun fact about tjis one is that vault15 was filled with different people from criminal gangs of the west coast and a group of normal people, the experiment was to see hoe much time pass until these different gangs kill each other, but surprisingly, their leaders did a reunion at the very moment of sealing the vault and agreed on a truce until the a month after they leave the vault, and more surprisingly they did it, but some return and attacked the vault to loot it (as said in the shady sands lore video) so all those gangs (vipers, jackals, khans) and shady sands, descend from the same vault15 Is one of those vaults that didnt work out as expected... Same for vault 21, the gig was that it was filled with experts on gambling, and has NO overseer, and every dispute was supposed to be settled with a game, winner takes all. Surprisingly, they lasted until robert house wanted them out, so another vault that was expected to end up dead and survived
One of the ingame companions you can get is one of the NCR snipers who was at Bitter Springs. After travelling with him enough, he will open up a bit and tell you about it. Part of his character quest involves going back there to try and make peace with the memory.
It should be noted that the real khans are sometimes viewed as hero’s so it’s only fitting that the great khans of fallout are are also sometimes seen as rebels against the imperialistic NCR
One of the companions in New Vegas is an NCR First Recon vet. They’re the unit that did the Bitter Springs Massacre. If you’re traveling with him in certain areas, there’s a chance that some NPCs will call him a murderer.
In case you didn’t know, All the chems here do different effects, mostly stat boosts. Originally, either Fallout 3 or the OG Fallout, they had names to real life drugs, but couldn’t use them, and couldn’t use the word “drug” so chems was chosen, and made new names and designs for the colorful pills.
If I remember correctly, 3 originally planned on referring to Med-X as morphine. Because of that, though, it was temporarily banned in Australia, so they censored it. The originals, just like the Bethesda ones, have the made-up chem names: Mentats, Psycho, Med-X, etc.
unlike other Raider gangs, the Khans are not hostile to the player in New Vegas, the current leader is more decent than previous bosses. where they fall in the story is heavily dependent on you and your actions, for Caesar's Frumentari has already reached out to the Khans for an alliance. but they can be swayed to fight for their old enemies, not fight at all, even make it to where they leave New Vegas and head north to live like the Mongols, which is what i prefer as Caesar is lying to them, not telling them that their women will be enslaved as breeding stock among other things. seems that we're getting to another bread and butter faction of Fallout next time, i look forward to that one.
Interestingly enough Caesar’s Legion is actually more like the Mongols than the khans the legion would assimilate tribes and brutally punish opposition
Since your on this fallout train i highly recommend the Villainpedia by ghostcharm he goes indepth into different characters and recently made a video detected to Frank Horrigan, the big scary enclave cyborg mutant lol
Carig Boone, First Recon Batallion, ex NCR.... Still uses his credentials, more of a burden than an "veteran honor", bullseye tho, "too much" some would say... or not, they are burried in Bittersrpings.
Love these vids. Just react to anything but I like the story one and watch you two work everything out and piece it together. I do have a request if you take em and that is the Ghost Recon Breakpoint trailers. Namely the ghost and wolves trailers though there are quite a few. (Also I need to try that drink)
Great khans brought this to themselves tbh , they kept attacking ncr for years and years and they never showed mercy to children or women or old , now suddenly they are victims, I don't feel sorry at all for great khans
Not saying Great Khans are victims and blameless but more to our point of an eye for an eye makes the world go blind. If no one ever shows mercy then the cycle of hate and revenge just continues 😔
Standing Here I realized... That you were just like me trying to make history... But who's to judge... What's right or wrong... When our guard is down I think we'll both agree... THAT VIOLENCE BREEDS VIOLENCE! BUT IN THE END IT HAS TO BE THIS WAY!!! I'VE CARVED MY OWN PATH! YOU'VE FOLLOW YOUR WRATH! BUT MAYBE WE'RE BOTH THE SAME!!! THE WORLD HAS TURNED!! SO MANY HAS BURNED!! BUT NOBODY IS TO BLAME!!!! YET STANDING ACROSS THIS BARREN WASTED LAND! I CAN TELL NEW LIFE WILL BE BORN BENEATH THIS BLOODSTAINED SAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One of the details the video leaves out is the khans did leave the ncr alone when they came to the Mojave. The NCR started the war up again against them. Not the khans. They unlike many raider gangs have many values. In the khans women and men are almost equal. The khans have a sense of honor (a twisted one sure but still honor) they wouldn't murder children. More often then not the just wanted what you had. You also have to remember the respect strength above all else. So while they hate the ncr. The also respected them at least until bitter springs.
It's constantly brought up that the main "Hero" player character has had ALOT of body counts in his hands that can stack up to a small army. Your constantly killing people in the games were most might consider unnecessary in some cases. The types of weapons and abilities can also become insane making you a literal one man army.
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To add to that cycle, after Bittersprings the NCR takes over the camp and tries to make amends to those still there, like a refugee camp of sorts. In the hills an old bitter Khan who was there when the Massacre happened has taken it upon himself to kill NCR troopers with his sniper rifle.
Not just the troopers, but refugees too 😳
And the cycle continues 😢
Very little is black or white in Fallout.
Even the good guy is usually a murdering psychopath about half the time.... maybe 75/25 psychopath to good guy.
There's a great line by Deacon in Fallout 4 where he is in the player's company during a fight and he says "Before I met you I went whole weeks without killing anyone."
That’s what makes the world so fascinating. It operates pretty much entirely in grey 🧐
The Khans are also interesting because of all the factions in New Vegas, they are one of the only ones who are destroyed in all but one ending. Either going out in a blaze of glory or slowly being ground down into dust. In the one ending they survive, where you convince them to let go of the past and become something new, they leave Nevada with the Followers of the Apocalypse (who i’m sure will be covered in a later video) and found a new empire in Wyoming. Not another raider gang, but a proper new nation.
Can't you also give them a history book about Ghengis Khan? And then they decide to become nomads, so they don't stay in one place long enough to get wiped out.
@@acrab6527 Because that's what we need. More people who LARP for government and war.
that makes me happy, when i went to the khans in new vegas i kinda liked them. good to see they get A chance to have a good life
I’d like to think they’d just become “Greater Khans,” and in a century or two they’ll become a powerful nation and try to reclaim their ancestral territory from the NCR.
I just recently replayed new Vegas and discovered this bit of information. Probably the only good thing to come from the end of new Vegas.
Definitely one of the cooler factions. I won’t spoil the game, but the Khans have multiple endings based on what you can do for them and who you talk to. For the most part, asking them to stay and fight during the Hoover Dam battle leads to bad outcomes for them no matter who you support during their faction quests. One of the best ways to show “sometimes the smartest thing to do in a war is not join it.”
It’s cool that fallout has multiple endings for factions depending on your actions and shaping the world 🙂
Child gets ganked within the first 5 minutes, that's what I call quality
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9:49 The synchronized eyebrow raise, lol, love you guys.
this is one of those moments in games where as a player you realize the amount of damage you as the hero of these games have done to a whole culture after you shot almost all of them... in your POV you just want to finish a quest, gain XP, and pick up the boss loot, then you witness how low they've sunk that your next hero avatar might feel the need to help them get back up and hopefully start fresh in a new region unbothered by the big powers
Yeah I got the Khans to join me and the NCR in the fight against The Legion
Honestly, I never felt that much sympathy for them. Most of the time you interact with them, they are just the basic one-dimensional bad guys who exist to get slaughtered by our protagonist. In Vegas they are slightly more sympathetic, though only just. They are still dirty Chem hustling raiders at the end of the day, and I have no respect for that.
@@ShinigamiSamaH considering that human trafficking is a thing in Fallout, selling chems is hardly what i consider the worst. hell, the Fiends do that too, but the Fiends are like their namesake, bloodthirsty AF and cannibalistic as well. honestly i respect their warrior beliefs and while they were the enemy at one point, their leader is as decent as a Raider Gang leader is gonna get. it's like being a fan of the Klingons of Star Trek, they're a bit barbaric, but there's a certain charm in that.
@@UltimateGamerCC They're not as charming when you are on receiving end of their "barbaric charm". Just ask these girls that Garl from the first game kept for his personal entertainment. Papa Khan himself did plenty of human trafficking. The only reason he stopped is because most of this gang was slaughtered.
😢
Even though they were rivals and the khans generally were horrible people, the NCR really does seem to view bitter springs as a horrible mistake (at least a lot of them do). According to in game sources, the commander had bad intell (it seems like the NCR didn’t realize bitter springs was the HOME of the khans and not just a large gang outpost) and told them “to keep shooting until you run out of bullets” but when it later became clear what was actually happening the same commander had a mental break down and his second in command had to take over, who immediately stopped the firing and began trying to save as many as the could. They let the survivors resettle, and set up a refugee camp. Though I’m sure several higher ups and many NCR civilians who had suffered at the hands of the great khans were actually pleased with the outcome.
Damn 😨
You really must watch Saga of Tanya The Evil. There was an episode where she ordered one of her men to start shooting, he didn't want to shoot until he saw through the scope the eyes of one boy filled with anger, he understood then that he must either shoot to kill or that boy will one day become a soldier and seek them out and kill them. War is hell, its not nice that most people try to forget that. There no right people in a war, there are only people who are left after a war.
War never changes 😢
your guys' reaction to that little girl getting shot is too funny. that shit was surprising as hell! 😅
A fun fact about tjis one is that vault15 was filled with different people from criminal gangs of the west coast and a group of normal people, the experiment was to see hoe much time pass until these different gangs kill each other, but surprisingly, their leaders did a reunion at the very moment of sealing the vault and agreed on a truce until the a month after they leave the vault, and more surprisingly they did it, but some return and attacked the vault to loot it (as said in the shady sands lore video) so all those gangs (vipers, jackals, khans) and shady sands, descend from the same vault15
Is one of those vaults that didnt work out as expected...
Same for vault 21, the gig was that it was filled with experts on gambling, and has NO overseer, and every dispute was supposed to be settled with a game, winner takes all. Surprisingly, they lasted until robert house wanted them out, so another vault that was expected to end up dead and survived
Guess the gamblers all had a code they lives by which kept the peace 🤑
Keep it up guys I hope you make it to the very end with all the lore videos !!!
Thanks! We for sure will make it to the end. We aren’t quitters 😜
the lore in fallout is 10/10 imo! I get sucked in and immersed every time lol
Agreed. Loving the lore and story and the way they are telling it in this series 🤩
One of the ingame companions you can get is one of the NCR snipers who was at Bitter Springs. After travelling with him enough, he will open up a bit and tell you about it. Part of his character quest involves going back there to try and make peace with the memory.
Damn. Bet that is a rough side mission 😢
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames Actually, you get to help him do something make up for it. It's pretty satisfying :)
Ah, the Khans. A Raider gang with such a shitty Luck stat that they get destroyed by two of Fallout's heroes and can get wiped out by a third.
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Khans try not to complain about being shot for being murderers, drug dealers and kidnappers among much worse challenge (impossible)
It should be noted that the real khans are sometimes viewed as hero’s so it’s only fitting that the great khans of fallout are are also sometimes seen as rebels against the imperialistic NCR
One of the companions in New Vegas is an NCR First Recon vet.
They’re the unit that did the Bitter Springs Massacre.
If you’re traveling with him in certain areas, there’s a chance that some NPCs will call him a murderer.
😯
Perhaps when we are all blind, then we can finally understand each other.
This episode really hammers home the reality that there is no true "good guy" faction with any measure of power or influence in Fallout.
Yup 😕
In case you didn’t know, All the chems here do different effects, mostly stat boosts. Originally, either Fallout 3 or the OG Fallout, they had names to real life drugs, but couldn’t use them, and couldn’t use the word “drug” so chems was chosen, and made new names and designs for the colorful pills.
If I remember correctly, 3 originally planned on referring to Med-X as morphine.
Because of that, though, it was temporarily banned in Australia, so they censored it.
The originals, just like the Bethesda ones, have the made-up chem names: Mentats, Psycho, Med-X, etc.
We didn’t know, thanks for explaining that 🙂
unlike other Raider gangs, the Khans are not hostile to the player in New Vegas, the current leader is more decent than previous bosses. where they fall in the story is heavily dependent on you and your actions, for Caesar's Frumentari has already reached out to the Khans for an alliance. but they can be swayed to fight for their old enemies, not fight at all, even make it to where they leave New Vegas and head north to live like the Mongols, which is what i prefer as Caesar is lying to them, not telling them that their women will be enslaved as breeding stock among other things.
seems that we're getting to another bread and butter faction of Fallout next time, i look forward to that one.
Interestingly enough Caesar’s Legion is actually more like the Mongols than the khans the legion would assimilate tribes and brutally punish opposition
😯
This is special for Fallout.
Since your on this fallout train i highly recommend the Villainpedia by ghostcharm he goes indepth into different characters and recently made a video detected to Frank Horrigan, the big scary enclave cyborg mutant lol
Oh nice! Thanks for the channel recommendation 😀
Carig Boone, First Recon Batallion, ex NCR.... Still uses his credentials, more of a burden than an "veteran honor", bullseye tho, "too much" some would say... or not, they are burried in Bittersrpings.
Oh wow. I've been playing Fallout for years under the impression Khans were the leaders of the raider groups. Not a single raider group.
I HIGHLY recommend reacting to the videos about the main antagonists from fallout 1 and 2 from a TH-camr called ghostcharm
Yo do you guys still have your discord on patreon? I can’t seem to find it
Here is link to discord discord.gg/nKBWSmrY 🙂
There should still be a way to connect Patreon to discord as well. 🤔
Epic as always
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And a special drink.
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Love these vids. Just react to anything but I like the story one and watch you two work everything out and piece it together. I do have a request if you take em and that is the Ghost Recon Breakpoint trailers. Namely the ghost and wolves trailers though there are quite a few. (Also I need to try that drink)
We do take requests and can add that to our list 🙂
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames can't wait to see what's next have a nice day
Great khans brought this to themselves tbh , they kept attacking ncr for years and years and they never showed mercy to children or women or old , now suddenly they are victims, I don't feel sorry at all for great khans
You dont feel bad about innocent children being slaughtered? There's something wrong with you.
Not saying Great Khans are victims and blameless but more to our point of an eye for an eye makes the world go blind. If no one ever shows mercy then the cycle of hate and revenge just continues 😔
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames exactly
Have you done a reaction video for the Dark Deception Trailers by Glowstick Entertainment?
No we haven’t check those out yet 🤔 will add to our request list
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames It's one of my favorite games like FNAF and Poppy Playtime, it's a game like Pac-Man but way scarier
Standing Here I realized...
That you were just like me trying to make history...
But who's to judge... What's right or wrong...
When our guard is down I think we'll both agree...
THAT VIOLENCE BREEDS VIOLENCE!
BUT IN THE END IT HAS TO BE THIS WAY!!!
I'VE CARVED MY OWN PATH!
YOU'VE FOLLOW YOUR WRATH!
BUT MAYBE WE'RE BOTH THE SAME!!!
THE WORLD HAS TURNED!!
SO MANY HAS BURNED!!
BUT NOBODY IS TO BLAME!!!!
YET STANDING ACROSS THIS BARREN WASTED LAND! I CAN TELL NEW LIFE WILL BE BORN BENEATH THIS BLOODSTAINED SAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
😯
Further reinforces that House had the correct idea all along and even the NCR can't be relied to keep the peace forever.
True 😕
One of the details the video leaves out is the khans did leave the ncr alone when they came to the Mojave. The NCR started the war up again against them. Not the khans. They unlike many raider gangs have many values. In the khans women and men are almost equal. The khans have a sense of honor (a twisted one sure but still honor) they wouldn't murder children. More often then not the just wanted what you had. You also have to remember the respect strength above all else. So while they hate the ncr. The also respected them at least until bitter springs.
That does change things a bit if the khans left the ncr alone in the Mojave 🤔
It's constantly brought up that the main "Hero" player character has had ALOT of body counts in his hands that can stack up to a small army. Your constantly killing people in the games were most might consider unnecessary in some cases. The types of weapons and abilities can also become insane making you a literal one man army.
Is there a peaceful path you can take? Or does the game pretty much force you to action 🤔