I think a major problem with Ryan Murphy is he can objectify attractive men and fetishisize pain that happens to them, in very similar ways as straight men love writing plots around women in distress. And the problem about turning a group of people into objects of desire is it can shut down empathy for that group, and it's clear some of that is happening with Ryan Murphy
@@purrgundy Then we state it exactly how you did. It's not just a trait Murphy exhibits. It's literally in all the media you consume. The issue is calling it for a person you dislike, but accepting from those you do.
@@linger4605 This video is about Murphy's show, which is why he is used as an example of this tendency. Of course, there are other contributors. I don't think they are as accepted as you claim they are, though.
Ryan Murphy gets off on and commodifies sexualizing violence and trauma. That’s his brand now: “let me see what murderer I can make sexy today”. It’s deeply disturbing.
I think the worst part is that he does this but wants to have his cake and eat it to by making it out to be a "favour" and that he's helping them. Like if you want to just make gratuitous, insensitive, sexualized genre stuff, then do it, but you have to own it and not try to peddle it like you're feeding the poor.
I’m genuinely convinced he’s a psychopath. I say that as I used to watch American Horror Story as a teenage girl, later on to realize how truly disturbing that show was.
It’s very telling the way Ryan Murphy said “I know he hasn’t seen the show…in PRISON”(10:58). Unnecessarily mean and condescending. This man seriously lacks any kind of empathy.
Agreed. Also, Ryan Murphy should've shown this series to the brothers before anyone else, before even Netflix executives, to involve them in the process. He didn't even interview them while writing the script. He treats them like fictional characters. It's insane.
@purrgundy isn't this exactly what he did to Dahmer? The victims families were caught off guard from what I remember. Idk why anyone still watches these true crime anthology series he created (apparently S3 is already on the works about Ed Gein, is what I heard). It's vile to imply these brothers were incestuous with one another, Ryan Murphy is a sick fck
Prisoners have TV lol his comment doesn't make sense. My uncle watched TV and read books when he was in prison. It is actually possible they were given tv privileges and also it's literally their trauma they don't have to watch it to comment on it
Every time I see Ryan Murphy or hear him talk, I wanna punch him in the face. He’s nothing but a pretentious, arrogant snob. Dude thinks he’s the next Stephen King, but he’s really a worse Stephanie Myer.
Somebody should make a biopic about Ryan Murphy and not consult him one bit, go even further and subvert a few well known facts about him. When interviewed about it, just tell them “I would’ve spoken with him but I don’t like him one bit. I was passionate about telling his story to see if I might grow to like him. Didn’t happen, unfortunately.”
I would LOVE that. He is beyond gross. I’ve said it since AHS that he gets off on glorifying & sexualizing some nasty trauma & pain. He is unnecessarily glamorizing abuse & murder to an entire generation & using good looking bodies to seduce the audience into watching & normalizing the most disturbing things.
@@zanzer386you described it perfectly! And also he targets younger audience, teenage girls mainly, which is disturbing. When he gave us Evan Peters in AHS he knew what he was doing. In the beggining a sweet misunderstood cute boy that falls in love with a girl, in the end a “misunderstood” psycho graapist. I’ve had many mixed feeling about that even as a kid.
Ryan Murphy is legitimately gross. It was bad enough when it was unnecessarily lingering shots of SA over and over for entire seasons of AHS, but when it’s the blood and trauma of actual people it’s so much worse.
The depiction of incest as adult men in shared showers felt cheap. I understand that this was meant to show the actual rumors from the time, but it lacked subtlety and heart. So much of the gratuitous male nudity was unnecessary to tell the story and seemed like it was meant to be sexy. Why do we need SA and murder to be sexy? We don't. At least the SA was not shown, I appreciate how that was handled in the show.
@@somehowesurviving that’s the whole thing; he doesn’t care what any of it is or means, he just likes showing you the bodies of attractive people and then being like “see what a weird boner you just got?? WHO’S THE MONSTER NOW???” It isn’t thoughtful or profound or evocative, it’s gross.
Also, there is no proof that the boys were in an incestuous relationship. The younger brother also never said he was gay, he said he questioned his own sexuality because he was being abused by a man and after time, he allowed it.
That's Ryan Murphy for you. Turning convicted murderers into gay thirst traps. God help us if he does a show about Charlie Manson. "Hey girls, who wants to do some stabbing tonight? Oh Tex Watson, honey, you can pierce me any day!"
@@grazisamor1991 the series most certainly let the Vanity Fair man drop the “tea” that the boys were indeed incestuous and then the scene where mother catches the boys showering together. The shower scene was made up for the show. What show did you watch?
@@g7924They can, but the show implies a link between childhood sexual abuse and sexual orientation, or implies that this was not abuse because the victim might have same sex orientation (which there is no indication in real life that Erik is gay). Whichever way you look at it, it is quite a disgusting and homophobic thing to do.
I would have been happy with a documentary, which I think is definitely the best approach in these cases. And since Netflix is already releasing one anyway, there really was no need to do this one. But from Dahmer to this, Ryan is gonna Ryan 🙄
@@linger4605 the documentary was announced after the show had been out for a few days (that I saw at least). I watched the show days after it came out because it kept popping up on my timeline, and before judging it I wanted to watch it and see if he really had gone all Ryan Murphy on it or not. Like I said, I like some of his work, not everything he touches turns to sh*t
@@stutter_boxOkay, that's fair. Honestly, at this point, I know what to expect. I avoid AHS and anything horror related. All that is rubbish. Honestly, I feel these crime series are all he has left.
@@linger4605 i haven’t watched Grotesquerie, but I have hopes it’ll be a return to the days when he made genuinely good horror (since he’s left Scream Queens fans with nothing to hold on to)
The absolute GALL of this man whining about how the family hasn't seen the show and are criticizing him before seeing it, when he didn't read out to the brothers to make his show in the first place? He's not interested in their perspective? Yeah, I wonder why the family doesn't like the show. What a mystery.
true crime content fails once it focuses solely on entertainment rather than prioritising the voices of victims affected by the traumatic events. the families of the victims who had to learn devastating facts about them.
@linger4605 Storytelling can change the perception of a subject by society. That's literally the point of marketing and PR. Ryan made choices in his writing. He is fully responsible of the portrayal he gave of Dahmer.
@@purrgundy It's still up to society to accept or reject. I mean, defense lawyers are essentially really good story tellers. Society decides who is glorified and who isn't. Ryan Murphy doesn't have that kind of power. The show is literally titled "Monsters." That's the portrayal...
@@linger4605 Of course, he has that kind of power. He is the storyteller! Defense attorneys have to stick to provable facts, and to place their narrative in context in order to prove their point regarding the relevance of accusation arguments and the specifics of law articles. Writers don't have to do any of that. Murphy showed the story he wanted, regardless of the truth, of testimonials, of anyone involved, really. He just went for the most sensationalist and vile tabloid titles because it sells better.
The SHADE thrown with the response to the brother's criticism with 'I know he hasn't seen the show.....in prison.' Ewww he's actually using the fact these men are still unfairly incarcerated as a way to invalidate them
His response to the bothers criticism is foul considering we are talking about two people still fighting for freedom, this show can absolutely affect how people perceive the case. I'm all for creative liberty but this man does not have empathy enough to tell true crime stories and the project should have ended after the Dahmer fiasco.
I was in high school when this broke out. I remember many around my age were horrified when the sexual abuse part came into the light and it's shameful that it wasn't a part of the second trial. I don't recall anyone that thought they received a fair shot in defending themselves.
Exactly. It’s not that people are denying the crime itself or trying to exonerate them of all guilt, it’s that the biggest motivator couldn’t even be considered because of legalities, and that undoubtedly got them a much longer sentence than it probably would have otherwise
You know, this series would have worked if it had focused on the actual horror that the Menendez brothers had to endure (i.e. the abuse they faced from their parents, the process of murdering their parents, and the horrific things they had to hear on trial such as the assumption that men could not be raped or the accusation of them being an incestuous relationship), but alas, Ryan Murphy has a preference for sensationalism and shock value over what actually happened.
This is such a good point. The brothers were treated like monsters because no one believed boys could be raped. It was so ridiculous. It’s now been proven over and over how untrue it is and yet they are still sitting in a cell. If you look back at how the media made fun of these brothers being abused it’s horrible. The jokes that were made by late night comedians etc. I mean it’s just so disgusting. Because they were young, rich and white and so of course they couldn’t be abused. That only happens in bad families, or poor families, or red neck families, or to to girls who wear short skirts and ask for it (at five). But never white, rich, boys and their dads. Not only has their cousin come forward but someone else has come forward since saying he was also abused by their dad. And another cousin ( who was young at the time) admits to knowing about the abuse. But it couldn’t be used in their 2nd trial and it was a hilarious joke to the mainstream media at the time. Did they include that in the story line of this show when they sexed it all up? And I’m wondering when incest became sexy. There was sexual abuse between the brothers but when Lyle talked about it he was destroyed. He was a child, he was doing what his father taught him. He didn’t do it again. It was not sexy. It was not in a shower and it was not something he enjoyed or was proud of. To turn it into that is so gross. No wonder the family is upset. I suggest people watch his testimony. It’s heartbreaking. His brother is calmer when he testifies mostly. Maybe because he’s just so shell shocked.
The fact that the show covers sexual abuse yet SEXUALISES the boys as if they are in an adult film is just disgraceful. I couldn't imagine how they must feel. Living with their abuse for life, and then knowing it gets used as salacious watching in a drama. It's so wrong.
Wooooooo chile thank you for speaking on this!!!! This is the issue I have with True Crime these days; its just a commodity for entertainment and money now. These stories are REAL LIFE. REAL PEOPLE are TRAUMATIZED and folks who make and consume true crime are so detached and desensitized they do not care. At all. Every bit of disgust is completely valid. Ryan Murphy can ch*ke, honestly. True crime has become so predatory and disgusting. From True Crime ASMR, podcasts literally called "My Favorite Murder", glorifying horrible people, to the exploitation of all of these movies and shows....I'm just so done. Sick of it!!!
YES! I maintain my own mental health due to SA. This case in particular has always meant something to me. So see the shame and fear that comes with this background blown out and horribly sensationalized for entertainment. It’s horrific. Ryan Murphy is disgusting and I hope the community steps up to speak on this for SA survivors and the brothers.
you're right. ryan murphy is a ghoul. it's bizarre to claim his show is helping eric and lyle in one breath then say he has no interest in helping them with the next. if you're gonna be exploitative and trash, be that, but accept that the public will shit on you for it.
He made up the incestuous relationship between the brothers, he objectifies one of the brother to his own desire (brother who never said he was gay but was questioning his sexuality) and the 1st episode is shameful, they're described as psychopathic spoiled brats only obsessed by money , when we know the truth was way more complex . And as for the ones who don't believe they were seriously abused as children just watch the trial.- Even the best actors in the world could not give such a performance, that's just the truth. And they also brought evidences .
BOTH parents were sexual abusers. Not just the father. People keep overlooking the testimonies about Kitty abusing Lyle. Also Kitty was the one that kept the n4ked photographs of the kids (her handwriting was on them).
they messed their kids up, if the media will portray them as monsters then they need to realise who made the monster, their parents made a monster out of them
I didn't like that they brought up the incestuous relationship. It's a theory that was denied. They could've theorized it not in a fetishized way, but in a deeply critical way, a reflex of what they went through. However, we got two brothers having a weird sexual chemistry, showering together and rubbing soap in each other's bodies. Regarding Erik's sexuality, since he never said he was gay, he just questioned his sexuality, which is normal, especially since he was abused by a man and after a while, he was """okay""" with it, I think Ryan Murphy just wanted us to see two naked men in the prison bathroom. That's why I rather Law & Order: True Crime: The Menendez Murders. It wasn't unrealistic and it focused on what happened. Also, Edie Falco was perfectly casted.
The older brother did admit in court that he abused his younger brother. However it was NOT a consensual "relationship" at all. The show should have made it clear that it was molestation, not a relationship.
Even the cover for the show is gross. Lyle and Eric posing seductively shirtless?? When I first saw the cover I thought it was a new hot gay romance like Elite and I immediately recoiled when I realized it was a true crime.
I don’t deny what the boys did to their parents was gruesome. I personally have always supported their release. If Gypsy Rose gets 10years, these boys should be out too. I just find it interesting that the average person (rightfully so) speaks on things that they do to a pedophil*. But then judge the boys as Monsters for enacting that kind of violent vigilantly justice. I can only imagine the type of helpless rage that would build inside with decades long extreme abuse. I think the second trial put an illegal muzzle on the boys. I found it fascinating that in the first trial, half the jury wanted to acquit in self defence and the other half didn’t believe the boys. The more fascinating was the half that didn’t believe were ALL men and the half that believed were ALL women.
Gypsy Rose was only released bc she didn't directly murder her mother. The man who committed the actual murder is still in prison. IMO he also deserves another trial.
As someone who was around and remembers this case vividly, the prosecution's theory about men not being able to be sexually assaulted was seen as ludicrous then too. We were just as confused as you are today. I think the prosecuter hoped the jury was naive enough to believe whatever a prosecuter said. I absolutely LOVE the first season of Feud. His version of Boys in the Band was also great. But he goes down hill quickly after that. Hollywood was absolutely ridiculous. The second season of Feud was as bad as the first season was delicious. His has an upcoming project about John And Carolyn Kennedy. He had better be VERY careful there because he very likely will get his ass sued by the family if he's reckless. As for Ed Gein (Pronounced Geen) that's going to be the absolutely worst one yet. Ed Gein's crimes were mortifying beyond anything you can imagine. I bet Ryan is salivating to get his hands on the story, excited about how gross and exploitive he can be
I agree that the Ed Gein one will be the worst yet. I don't need to see any scripts or trailers. The casting of Charlie Hunnam tells me everything I need to know. At least with the casting of the first two seasons of Monster, there's enough of a resemblance between the actors and the real people for it to be semi-believable. This time, though, there is no resemblance whatsoever. Ryan Murphy clearly picked someone who is seen as a "heart throb" or "sex symbol" in order to sensationalize and sexualize the Gein murders as much as he possibly can.
@sallyversace Right? Charlie Hunam who's known more for his looks than his actual acting skill cast as ED GEIN!??!? In what alternate universe? Has he ever seen a picture of Ed? He was not attractive. Not in the least. Not EVER.
I'm on episode 5 of his new Netflix series, and I think there are too many details in Erik's testimony... it's like R. Murphy wanted me to imagine the rape scenes perfectly, in a pornographic way. It's disgusting, it should be canceled, this guy disgusts me so much. He thinks we don't know what he's doing?? That we're too stupid to realize that his entire work is a softcore fanfiction of truecrimes affairs
This is the first TH-cam video I see talking about this. I agree 100%. Ryan Murphy should not have peace after his disgusting behavior. Menendez brothers deserve better 😢
It's weird. He covers the abuse and exposes it but then also frames the guys as these Patrick Bateman types that are in incestuous relationship with each other. And it wasn't framed as "different perspectives" it was framed as things Kitty actually saw for example like the scene when she walks in the bathroom and they're in the shower together. Did anyone report this happening? No. Ryan Murphy just made it up.
Ryan Murphy is gross and I’ve always hated him. I can’t wait for his yassified version of John Wayne Gacy, who will no doubt be played by Taron Edgerton.
I understand why actors continue working with Ryan Murphy but at the same time I don’t. He’s so shameless, arrogant and willfully ignorant it’s sickening. After the AHS and Dahmer situation, you’d think he would learn something or feel some sort of remorse over how the victims’ families felt. If he didn’t want to stop adapting true crime altogether you’d at least think he would make a more concerted effort to talk the real people involved and affected by the crimes to make sure his portrayal was respectful. But the money and fame and Emmy nominations are more important than being an empathetic human being. Ryan Murphy lives for shock value, sexualization and sensationalism, and he doesn’t care who he offends on his way up the staircase to collect another award.
😊 I'm old, so I was around for the first and second trials as a teen. I remember feeling incredibly bad for the brothers and was upset that they got a harsh punishment the second time. I didn't follow the second trail as closely, so I was unaware they used the excuse about boys/men being unable to be a survivor... It is wild. The abuse and violence towards children from the catholic church priests were making headlines in the late 1980s, well before this case, especially in the early to mid-90s. The state using the reason is vile and an act of violence. I am not a fan of Mr. Murphy's dommer story and the way he treated the victims, so I have no hope he would treat the child violence and abuse with any seriousness. Murphy has probably caused more harm than good, considering the age demographic of the manosphere content. Including the way we fail survivors and victims socially and through the criminal system. Thank you for speaking up 💜
I knew Ryan Murphy wasn’t right waaay back in the Glee days when he went on a smear campaign against Kings of Leon because they wouldn’t license their music for the show and basically accused them, with zero proof that I can recall, of being homophobic. I thought it was really gross not only because I loved and still love Kings of Leon, but because just because he didn’t get his way, he immediately turned it into homophobia. It’s even more insane to think of now considering his depictions of gay men and it’s affect on societies viewpoint of them. He is a narcissist period. Which is such a common thing to accuse people of these days, but I swear I could see it then. He doesn’t care about the gay community unless it could afford him some sort of victim status, or it enables him to demonize somebody who kept him from getting what he wanted, all under the guise of “activism”. The level of entitlement going on to think you are somehow owed access to someone else’s art is mind blowing. And the way I see it does way more damage to wider societal perceptions of LGBTQ people, than actual homophobia from straight society.
This was exactly my turning point too! How many artist let him profit off their work, which was for sale in form of Glee cover immediately, out of fear? He smeared people for nothing, they had reason, what if edgy rich kids sulking wasn't relatable to them and this is coming from someone who liked Glee.
The older I get and the more Ryan Murphy stuff comes out I started to notice he has a type when it comes to what actors he constantly has nude in a scene it’s always a brown eyed brown hair white guy im starting to think he only makes these type of shows for his entertainment
Ryan Murphy sold his soul to the proverbial devil and is absolutely awful for the queer community. Honestly, I'm over Netflix all together. I cancelled my subscription after the last Mike Flanagan project. I did reup this month to watch Umbrella Academy and Emily and Paris. Regretted it. Cancelled again. 😂
Thank you for making this video. The more voices that speak up about Ryan Murphy, the better that people can be educated. As a survivor of parental abuse in my own childhood, I've always been protective of the Menendez brothers (I need to say I do not condone murder) so to see them being portrayed in a way that supports the salacious gossip that was never true, people are not being shown what very courageous, kind and compassionate the brothers actually are. It made me so angry that Lyle was shown to be this constantly nasty, attention-seeking, liar when he was incredibly compassionate with his brother and with other inmates. I'm so glad that Netflix is releasing a documentary because that's the least they could do after greenlighting such an inaccurate and unfair portrayal of real people. To not even reach out to the brothers AT ALL is sickening and so disrespectful!! For Ryan Murphy to say he knows what their perspective is so he didn't have any point to visiting them is just beyond despicable. The lack of humanity from Murphy is shocking. It makes me question him as a person let alone as a writer...
Same. I dont condone murder, I simply want their accusations to be taken seriously! They are already in jail: there is no need to retraumatise them and their family members to "titillate" his cishet audience! 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
I saw a small part, where Lyle was calling the police and then immediately turned the crying off, when in reality, the shock and pain of it all really did traumatize him so his tears and panic was genuine during the original call. I'm not going to watch the show.
Thank you so much for making this video. Ryan Murphy clearly has no empathy.. His facial expressions when he was being interviewed on the red carpet tells me so much. Makes me so mad that he has chosen to portray Lyle in such a way (as some kind of psychopath) on the show. Ryan Murphy needs to take a long look at himself in the mirror 😡😡😡
The actors were fantastic, emmy worthy. If the show was fictional i would say it was a fun show as there was a lot of comedy in it. While being disturbing. The real story is what should have been focused on instead of them dramatizing theories people had that were incest or it being about money. The abuse the boys went through is disturbing. Horrific, triggering. You name it, they shouldnt be in prison and hope one day they will be out. They had proof of the abuse done by their mother and powerful rich father! Witnesses and photos. This was the biggest case before OJ. Yet the show wasnt as good as it could have been. I feel so bad for the brothers, and bless Cooper for being so outspoken for them. ❤
I really wish I could remember who made this point, but I think it was Jack Saint. Whoever it was pointed out that Netflix does this skeevy thing were they make a trashy, exploitation show about real life crimes starring a popular actor because it makes a lot of money, but then they make a “better”/more legit documentary about the crimes to mediate the backlash generated by the fictionalization. Which is super gross. This isn’t just with Monsters but also with the Ted Bundy movie from a few years ago and more. Netflix is just as much to blame for this exploitation as Murphy is.
Ryan Murphy should have just written his own story: the Menendez brothers are still alive and no one took their allegations seriously back in the day. I'm disgusted. Edit: what is he going to do next? Create a tvshow about Wade Wilson and made it look like his victims were the real aggressors all along?! 🙃
I agree, I couldn't believe his response. The idea that he said he had no interest in meeting them or advocating for them after basing an entire series off of their lives seems to indicate he simply wanted to profit off of them. He comes across as a calloused business tycoon. The one thing I will say about the series is that it hopefully is bringing more people's attention to this case (I somehow had never heard of it before). But the more I learn about the actual case and about the brothers, the more exploitative the series seems.
I was a fan of Popular and sort of liked Nip\Tuck until every character became super hateful. I can not watch Ryan Murphy's shows because no one is compassionate or kind ever. Love is non-existent in these shows.
dude. DUDE. i’m kind of a sucker for a good menendez bros docuseries. THIS WASN’T ONE. i couldn’t finish more than an hour or two. it was a patchwork of ctrl c ctrl v from all previous series. i’m oddly furious about this
Can I say thank you? I saw this and found it so deeply awful, especially after watching the documentary on Ann Burgess on Disney plus. She broke my heart when she talked about those men. This is cruel as fuck. It seems Ryan Murphy is the kind of guy who thinks he can make a serial killer fall in love with him. That’s it. It’s so gross and those two men, did not deserve this at all.
This was cathartic to listen to. The show was appalling. You should read Ryan Murphy's latest interview with the Hollywood Reporter. One lovely quote: "The Menendez brothers should be sending me flowers"
I hope the family finds a way to sue Murphy for defamation or something, especially because he didn't even take the time to interact with the subjects of his "art," but has no qualms to portrait them however he sees fit. Can you even legally do that, use another person's story for your benefits without rights to them? I see legal problems for him in the horizon. Fingers crossed.
I've been a "true crime junkie" since I was a teenager. Dahmer legitimately turned me off the whole subject. I still dabble, but I think twice before consuming anything. I did not need to think before contemplating this project, I won't be watching. You expressed so much of what I and so many people have been feeling about this man for years. He's queer, but not an ally. Quite the opposite, perhaps.
Ryan Murphy is gross. Constantly exploiting real life tragedies and basically making fan fiction of actual crimes constantly at this point including in AHS. It's gross but it's also frustrating that people watch these things he puts out. We can all say it's disgusting that he keeps doing this but unless people quit watching these things, he's gonna keep doing it.
I hated how Glee, always quipped " where the quarterback can be best friends with the gay kid". They weren't best friends. The gay kids dad married the quarterback's mother, they were stepbrother. The quarterback dated the gay kids best friend.
as someone who has looked into this case and have seen basically every documentary, interviews, court tapes, etc, this series sickened me. i couldn't even finish it. painting them as these incestuous entitled brats is just reinforcing what the media has already said about them. jose menendez also (allegedly) abused some of young boys of the boy band Menudo. he has a history of abusing children, so why wouldn't you believe them? the series claims to "want to see both sides" but when one side is blatantly ignoring male SA, are you really doing that?
Everyone at work told me I had to watch this series because they know how I am with true crime. I went home, watched two episodes, and shut it off. They made it out like it was all about the money. I also don’t believe they were faking crying when they made the phone call, so that scene irked me and gave me an idea of what the series was about I can’t speak on anything else because that’s all I watched.
As the show goes on it shows it wasn't about money. Ryan as much as I hated it, he was showing the theories the public had. Which even to this day some people believe.
When you watch the whole show, it does portray them as victims. The first two episodes are not a full representation of the tone. It's wild that he didn't talk to them before making it and it was salacious but I left it feeling a more empathetic understanding of why they did what they did. I think their portrayal was very sympathetic. Not defending Ryan Murphy but I think alot of the liberties he took with the Menendez boys characterization actually make sense because if you were victims of childhood abuse, your behaviour would be very irratic and sometimes explosive. That said, he should have talked to them.
A story like theirs has the power to be so impactful if presented accurately, empathetically, and in good faith. The finished product of this series is, frankly, a disgrace.
i couldn't agree more. it's really disgusting. so many lies in that shows. why show the incest??? it's not even true! people will be even more disgusted by the brothers, because they will think they are into incest!!! it's retraumatizing. anyway... i loved your video. thank you.
yes. HELL YES! I could NOT watch Dalmer, any of them, it was so vile and WAY too soon. I had hope for the Monsters series, but it was mocking undertones from jump! It was just sad.
Ryan Murphy needs his hardrives checked *BIG TIME!* I don't support his "work" because he glamorizes serious topics like sexual assault, abuse, violence and shock value and values that over *ACTUALLY* doing his research on true crime. I jumped ship on the Dahmer show after the first two episodes and the fact that the real life victims got pissed off and offended speaks 4K volumes. I didn't bother with watching the Lyle and Eric story because I saw the red flags and avoided the show. I was beyond disgusted when I heard about the incest bullshit between the two brothers. Hell most of the shows he writes fetishizes young men and paints them as Ken dolls with no brains, stereotyped campy gay or spoiled ass man child while he paints the women as screaming queens, bitches or bimbos which personally disgusts me. Hell I hope to god that third season gets cancelled and that's being planned to be about Ed Gein with Charlie Hunnam as Ed Gein.. I'm just.. ughhh! I'm currently watching the *OTHER* show he produced American Sports Story (I like the Josh Rivera guy, and I wish him the best in anything he does) and I actually had to ask my brother about the story and look up some of the stuff because I don't trust whatever Ryan Murphy churns out. Honestly, they need to keep this shit away from the Emmys and ban Murphy from Hollywood! My heart goes out to the cast because they deserve way better than this trash! My hat goes off to you for doing a deep dive on this garbage. Stay excellent.
I remember this case from the time (and have since read several books on it). While I understand the shock at hearing someone say that boys can't be R'ed, please understand this was NOT the typical thinking of 1990s America. In a courtroom people will throw anything at a defense - and that's still true. Just like it's still somehow true that people will look the other way at female offenders (see: "hot, young" teachers and their male students) and still somehow true that people will assume your opinions based on how you look. It's horrible and disgusting, fully agree. I guess I'm just trying to defend people who were around at the time who found it just as horrible and disgusting *in real time*. We can't blame the era; we can only blame reprehensible people for being reprehensible. Also as a long time AHS fan, WTF is Murphy doing? Who was it who made the first couple AHS seasons good, because it doesn't appear to have been Murphy. All he's done lately is apparently put his own fetishes on screen. Everything he touches in the past several years has turned to slime. In this case, it looks like it started slimy and just got drippier. Do we have to wait for the surely inevitable "young actors accuse..." headlines for someone to put controls on this guy?
You are absolutely right about everything you have said. Ryan Murphy is the monster. As a mother of sons, it breaks my heart that these boys had to suffer the abuse and be abused again by this horrible show. Thank you. I we are to believe all women then it should be the same for men.
THANK YOU for speaking up! You are putting into words everything that was in my mind. I can't explain enough how this series made me feel bad. I didn't finish it. What makes me even more sad about it is that, their true story will be released on a documentary after this series, and documentaries are unfortunately not as public appealing as a series. I also think Ryan Murphy didn't need to make a series about the brothers, but that would be an opportunity to make other people discuss about what happen, like here in Brazil, where the Menedez Brothers movement is not that strong. Now, what I'm seeing everywhere are people that doesn't know anything about what happened but what is shown in the series talking sh*t about them, and it breaks my heart. And the fact that a documentary will not be as big as this series makes me real sad.
I don't see the problem, there's tons of movies about documented murder cases. Why's no one complaining about movies like The Zodiac and Ted Bundy with Zac Efron?
I have been saying this about Ryan Murphy for years. But people keep watching his shows. The only reason Pose was well done was because he had the assistant of Black creators
THE JUDGE WAS GARBAGE Well, I know someone may have said this already but I'm currently obsessing. The judge for all the trials was humiliated by the hung jury, and then presided over OJ Simpson in between the first trials and the second trial. At that trial, they judge would not allow them to use their defense at all -- nothing about the abuse, not the over 50 witnesses for the defense. THE SAME JUDGE PRESIDED OVER THE COPS THAT BEAT RODNEY KING. I'm having sever 80s/90s flashbacks. It was unbelievable. And it is disgusting to portray them as sexual with each other considering their testimony about abuse. It's the worst part of it. One sexual experience they did have that is public knowlendge was when Lyle mimicked his father's behavior in court. Of all the things I've heard about that show, the incest stuff is the worst. Their actual true love for each other is so beautiful, I just don't think he could have found a way to portray it in his story.
Ryan Murphy shows always make use of oversexualized scandal. It's always some excuse to cast very attractive straight men to do gay stuff. Lots of queer casting too, but strongly skews everything to a gay gaze when it really doesnt need to be.
its a very good video and i liked it a lot!!!! i am also a ryan murphy fan, a huge fan. but i do think that u are completely right and i think its sad when u think about it. like hes making a show ppl feel bad about watching/enjoying. also i dont ever want to imagine, someone making a show about my personal abuse. it shouldnt be that way. big thumbs up to you!!!
some of those tapes from the first trial...of the boys talking about specific moments when they were being ab*sed....so horrific. and so heartbreaking that they had to go through the experience of being re-traumatised and the shame of having to tell those stories, to a jury and judge that didn't have enough empathy. there are medical records, the family talking about how horrible those 'parents' were, etc etc. their case was handled horribly
I've always found Murphy's work problematic, even during his "Glee" heyday but every other queer I knew would just shush me. LOL Years later and his formula of taking attractive (often white, "it's only a preference") men and making them go through the kind of weird fetishistic torture that female characters go through in this type of media has gotten really tired. It's as though he envisions his fantasies first and then tries to write a story around that. Maybe that's why his work usually falls apart as a confusing mess before it concludes.
I could not agree with you more, friend! Thank you for bringing the truth about this creator to light. In FACT, it is Murphy who is the actual monster! 💯
Thank you so much for this. I’m in 100% agreement with you on how vile Ryan Murphy is. Everything is an ego project for him. I think he’s the embodiment of fake Hollywood and I’d love to see his star power crash and burn, just like Diddy & Co.
The story felt extremely fake at times and I feel like the brothers were portrayed out of character a lot of the time. The acting was amazing though but the brothers just didn’t feel right at times on the show. The story at times just really felt fake. Even court room scenes didn’t entirely feel true and over done.
He goes WAY too far. He also relies way too much on shock value. Will not be watching this show. Such a weird stance for him to take. Around the drildo demon in hotel I was done. I was like this is sick. It felt like fetishizing rpe. I couldn't even watch. His tone is very much "They should be grateful." It's gross.
He’s ironically like a modern Truman Capote. A story at any cost. And it’s frustrating because stand alone the stories are fabulous. And as u said, it’s really what the plots bring out of the actors. Good for u on speaking out for this
Thank you! I love how people can see trough the bs. I watched the show with my partner (i didn’t know anything about the brothers, I knew it’s coming out so I also didn’t research anything myself so I can judge the series first ) And after it ended I knew that it was severely pushed against them Because I’ve been abused by my own father So I don’t take these things lightly at all It’s extremely shocking My partner was saying that the brothers are laying and I was MAD, we even got in a fight because I said he can’t judge it by some made up series, that it’s definitely over dramatised. It was already made different ways to make your own judgement but still for someone who doesn’t know anything about the case made them think that they are lying. After the series i started watching the real court videos and i am telling my partner to watch too. This case makes me extremely emotional, because the abuse was just severe. I hope someone does something and they get out and get some compensation for being kept in prison longer than they should have been.
I think a major problem with Ryan Murphy is he can objectify attractive men and fetishisize pain that happens to them, in very similar ways as straight men love writing plots around women in distress. And the problem about turning a group of people into objects of desire is it can shut down empathy for that group, and it's clear some of that is happening with Ryan Murphy
Agreed. And it is also not good omen that he chose Ed Gein for his next project for this very reason.
So the gay community never objectified men before Ryan Murphy? He's the pioneer in objectification?
@@linger4605 OG did not say Murphy was a pioneer in the matter, but that he contributes to this tendency.
@@purrgundy Then we state it exactly how you did. It's not just a trait Murphy exhibits. It's literally in all the media you consume. The issue is calling it for a person you dislike, but accepting from those you do.
@@linger4605 This video is about Murphy's show, which is why he is used as an example of this tendency. Of course, there are other contributors. I don't think they are as accepted as you claim they are, though.
Ryan Murphy gets off on and commodifies sexualizing violence and trauma. That’s his brand now: “let me see what murderer I can make sexy today”. It’s deeply disturbing.
Yup. Well said.
I think the worst part is that he does this but wants to have his cake and eat it to by making it out to be a "favour" and that he's helping them. Like if you want to just make gratuitous, insensitive, sexualized genre stuff, then do it, but you have to own it and not try to peddle it like you're feeding the poor.
I’m genuinely convinced he’s a psychopath. I say that as I used to watch American Horror Story as a teenage girl, later on to realize how truly disturbing that show was.
I think he may be a sociopath
It’s very telling the way Ryan Murphy said “I know he hasn’t seen the show…in PRISON”(10:58). Unnecessarily mean and condescending. This man seriously lacks any kind of empathy.
Agreed. Also, Ryan Murphy should've shown this series to the brothers before anyone else, before even Netflix executives, to involve them in the process. He didn't even interview them while writing the script. He treats them like fictional characters. It's insane.
@purrgundy isn't this exactly what he did to Dahmer? The victims families were caught off guard from what I remember. Idk why anyone still watches these true crime anthology series he created (apparently S3 is already on the works about Ed Gein, is what I heard). It's vile to imply these brothers were incestuous with one another, Ryan Murphy is a sick fck
Prisoners have TV lol his comment doesn't make sense. My uncle watched TV and read books when he was in prison. It is actually possible they were given tv privileges and also it's literally their trauma they don't have to watch it to comment on it
He actually said that??!?!
Every time I see Ryan Murphy or hear him talk, I wanna punch him in the face. He’s nothing but a pretentious, arrogant snob. Dude thinks he’s the next Stephen King, but he’s really a worse Stephanie Myer.
Somebody should make a biopic about Ryan Murphy and not consult him one bit, go even further and subvert a few well known facts about him. When interviewed about it, just tell them “I would’ve spoken with him but I don’t like him one bit. I was passionate about telling his story to see if I might grow to like him. Didn’t happen, unfortunately.”
Would actually pay to see that come to fruition
I would LOVE that. He is beyond gross. I’ve said it since AHS that he gets off on glorifying & sexualizing some nasty trauma & pain. He is unnecessarily glamorizing abuse & murder to an entire generation & using good looking bodies to seduce the audience into watching & normalizing the most disturbing things.
@@zanzer386you described it perfectly! And also he targets younger audience, teenage girls mainly, which is disturbing. When he gave us Evan Peters in AHS he knew what he was doing. In the beggining a sweet misunderstood cute boy that falls in love with a girl, in the end a “misunderstood” psycho graapist. I’ve had many mixed feeling about that even as a kid.
Ryan Murphy is legitimately gross. It was bad enough when it was unnecessarily lingering shots of SA over and over for entire seasons of AHS, but when it’s the blood and trauma of actual people it’s so much worse.
came here to say this
@@pchaparala the guy that did The Idol wants to handle the topic of your murdered child. Don’t worry; they’re gonna be hot.
The depiction of incest as adult men in shared showers felt cheap. I understand that this was meant to show the actual rumors from the time, but it lacked subtlety and heart. So much of the gratuitous male nudity was unnecessary to tell the story and seemed like it was meant to be sexy. Why do we need SA and murder to be sexy? We don't. At least the SA was not shown, I appreciate how that was handled in the show.
@@somehowesurviving that’s the whole thing; he doesn’t care what any of it is or means, he just likes showing you the bodies of attractive people and then being like “see what a weird boner you just got?? WHO’S THE MONSTER NOW???” It isn’t thoughtful or profound or evocative, it’s gross.
OMG please watch " POPULAR" and review every episode! Because it needs to be rebooted!😂😅😂😅
Also, there is no proof that the boys were in an incestuous relationship. The younger brother also never said he was gay, he said he questioned his own sexuality because he was being abused by a man and after time, he allowed it.
That's Ryan Murphy for you. Turning convicted murderers into gay thirst traps. God help us if he does a show about Charlie Manson. "Hey girls, who wants to do some stabbing tonight? Oh Tex Watson, honey, you can pierce me any day!"
Theres no proof they were in an incestuos relationship like there's no evidence his father sexually molested them
The series never said they were in one.. Lyle had a girlfriend the entire series and loved her
@@grazisamor1991 the series most certainly let the Vanity Fair man drop the “tea” that the boys were indeed incestuous and then the scene where mother catches the boys showering together. The shower scene was made up for the show.
What show did you watch?
@@mc-ge2bt but the shower scene also takes place in the head of a character. It’s never stated this 100% happened
Ryan Murphy seriously needs to have his hard drives checked.
Agree. Hard agree.
Tea.
I’m glad people are finally coming to this realization!
The main problem with the show are the homoerotic depictions about people who clearly suffered horrific CSA & were humiliated by the media.
Because people who’ve suffered CSA can’t be gay?
@@g7924no,bcs Ryan fetishizing that said trauma
@@g7924They can, but the show implies a link between childhood sexual abuse and sexual orientation, or implies that this was not abuse because the victim might have same sex orientation (which there is no indication in real life that Erik is gay). Whichever way you look at it, it is quite a disgusting and homophobic thing to do.
The thing is, the story was captivating enough in itself. It didn’t need any fluff or added speculations for it to gain extra attention.
I would have been happy with a documentary, which I think is definitely the best approach in these cases. And since Netflix is already releasing one anyway, there really was no need to do this one. But from Dahmer to this, Ryan is gonna Ryan 🙄
@@stutter_boxThen why give it a view? You state you knew "Ryan was going to Ryan," then why partake and instead, watch a documentary on it?
@@linger4605 the documentary was announced after the show had been out for a few days (that I saw at least). I watched the show days after it came out because it kept popping up on my timeline, and before judging it I wanted to watch it and see if he really had gone all Ryan Murphy on it or not. Like I said, I like some of his work, not everything he touches turns to sh*t
@@stutter_boxOkay, that's fair. Honestly, at this point, I know what to expect. I avoid AHS and anything horror related. All that is rubbish. Honestly, I feel these crime series are all he has left.
@@linger4605 i haven’t watched Grotesquerie, but I have hopes it’ll be a return to the days when he made genuinely good horror (since he’s left Scream Queens fans with nothing to hold on to)
The absolute GALL of this man whining about how the family hasn't seen the show and are criticizing him before seeing it, when he didn't read out to the brothers to make his show in the first place? He's not interested in their perspective? Yeah, I wonder why the family doesn't like the show. What a mystery.
true crime content fails once it focuses solely on entertainment rather than prioritising the voices of victims affected by the traumatic events. the families of the victims who had to learn devastating facts about them.
Imagine turning Dahmer into a sexy Halloween costume and thinking you're a hero to the gay community...
Was that Murphy or society that did that?
Oh girl please, this community is worse than 100 Dahmers 🙄
@linger4605 Storytelling can change the perception of a subject by society. That's literally the point of marketing and PR. Ryan made choices in his writing. He is fully responsible of the portrayal he gave of Dahmer.
@@purrgundy It's still up to society to accept or reject. I mean, defense lawyers are essentially really good story tellers. Society decides who is glorified and who isn't. Ryan Murphy doesn't have that kind of power. The show is literally titled "Monsters." That's the portrayal...
@@linger4605 Of course, he has that kind of power. He is the storyteller! Defense attorneys have to stick to provable facts, and to place their narrative in context in order to prove their point regarding the relevance of accusation arguments and the specifics of law articles. Writers don't have to do any of that. Murphy showed the story he wanted, regardless of the truth, of testimonials, of anyone involved, really. He just went for the most sensationalist and vile tabloid titles because it sells better.
The SHADE thrown with the response to the brother's criticism with 'I know he hasn't seen the show.....in prison.' Ewww he's actually using the fact these men are still unfairly incarcerated as a way to invalidate them
This needs to be talked about more. That man can’t keep using people’s grief for his own gain.
Ryan is vindictive and the amount of child serial sexual abuse on Glee alone is suspicious
What? Cause I just know about one single case? There is more??
@@xmikaelah9726right, what?
His response to the bothers criticism is foul considering we are talking about two people still fighting for freedom, this show can absolutely affect how people perceive the case. I'm all for creative liberty but this man does not have empathy enough to tell true crime stories and the project should have ended after the Dahmer fiasco.
I was in high school when this broke out. I remember many around my age were horrified when the sexual abuse part came into the light and it's shameful that it wasn't a part of the second trial. I don't recall anyone that thought they received a fair shot in defending themselves.
Exactly. It’s not that people are denying the crime itself or trying to exonerate them of all guilt, it’s that the biggest motivator couldn’t even be considered because of legalities, and that undoubtedly got them a much longer sentence than it probably would have otherwise
I remember that too and I always thought they didn't get a fair trial.
You know, this series would have worked if it had focused on the actual horror that the Menendez brothers had to endure (i.e. the abuse they faced from their parents, the process of murdering their parents, and the horrific things they had to hear on trial such as the assumption that men could not be raped or the accusation of them being an incestuous relationship), but alas, Ryan Murphy has a preference for sensationalism and shock value over what actually happened.
This is such a good point. The brothers were treated like monsters because no one believed boys could be raped. It was so ridiculous. It’s now been proven over and over how untrue it is and yet they are still sitting in a cell. If you look back at how the media made fun of these brothers being abused it’s horrible. The jokes that were made by late night comedians etc. I mean it’s just so disgusting. Because they were young, rich and white and so of course they couldn’t be abused. That only happens in bad families, or poor families, or red neck families, or to to girls who wear short skirts and ask for it (at five). But never white, rich, boys and their dads. Not only has their cousin come forward but someone else has come forward since saying he was also abused by their dad. And another cousin ( who was young at the time) admits to knowing about the abuse. But it couldn’t be used in their 2nd trial and it was a hilarious joke to the mainstream media at the time. Did they include that in the story line of this show when they sexed it all up? And I’m wondering when incest became sexy. There was sexual abuse between the brothers but when Lyle talked about it he was destroyed. He was a child, he was doing what his father taught him. He didn’t do it again. It was not sexy. It was not in a shower and it was not something he enjoyed or was proud of. To turn it into that is so gross. No wonder the family is upset. I suggest people watch his testimony. It’s heartbreaking. His brother is calmer when he testifies mostly. Maybe because he’s just so shell shocked.
I was hoping that he would do that but then I remembered it was a series by Ryan Murphy who will sx-ualize abuse.
I mean to be fair, he did both😅 All the things you mentioned were touched on in the show
It’s a fictionalized depiction, not a documentary. It’s primary purpose is to entertain
The fact that the show covers sexual abuse yet SEXUALISES the boys as if they are in an adult film is just disgraceful. I couldn't imagine how they must feel. Living with their abuse for life, and then knowing it gets used as salacious watching in a drama. It's so wrong.
Wooooooo chile thank you for speaking on this!!!! This is the issue I have with True Crime these days; its just a commodity for entertainment and money now. These stories are REAL LIFE. REAL PEOPLE are TRAUMATIZED and folks who make and consume true crime are so detached and desensitized they do not care. At all. Every bit of disgust is completely valid. Ryan Murphy can ch*ke, honestly. True crime has become so predatory and disgusting. From True Crime ASMR, podcasts literally called "My Favorite Murder", glorifying horrible people, to the exploitation of all of these movies and shows....I'm just so done. Sick of it!!!
YES! I maintain my own mental health due to SA. This case in particular has always meant something to me. So see the shame and fear that comes with this background blown out and horribly sensationalized for entertainment. It’s horrific.
Ryan Murphy is disgusting and I hope the community steps up to speak on this for SA survivors and the brothers.
you're right. ryan murphy is a ghoul. it's bizarre to claim his show is helping eric and lyle in one breath then say he has no interest in helping them with the next. if you're gonna be exploitative and trash, be that, but accept that the public will shit on you for it.
I know. Like, maybe make something up. Don’t use real people. Don’t make fan fiction of real people.
Helping them with the next?
The promo pic alone had me disinterested...
I said the same thing!
Same here!
He made up the incestuous relationship between the brothers, he objectifies one of the brother to his own desire (brother who never said he was gay but was questioning his sexuality) and the 1st episode is shameful, they're described as psychopathic spoiled brats only obsessed by money , when we know the truth was way more complex . And as for the ones who don't believe they were seriously abused as children just watch the trial.- Even the best actors in the world could not give such a performance, that's just the truth. And they also brought evidences .
BOTH parents were sexual abusers. Not just the father. People keep overlooking the testimonies about Kitty abusing Lyle. Also Kitty was the one that kept the n4ked photographs of the kids (her handwriting was on them).
they messed their kids up, if the media will portray them as monsters then they need to realise who made the monster, their parents made a monster out of them
Like bathtub photos? Who else but a mom would take those in the first place? Sorry, I’ve heard about this.
Sexploitation is always Ryan Murphy's M.O.
All the time especially Gay men exploits, if you have seen the Aaron hernandez show he made,it was gross and uncomfortable
I didn't like that they brought up the incestuous relationship. It's a theory that was denied. They could've theorized it not in a fetishized way, but in a deeply critical way, a reflex of what they went through. However, we got two brothers having a weird sexual chemistry, showering together and rubbing soap in each other's bodies. Regarding Erik's sexuality, since he never said he was gay, he just questioned his sexuality, which is normal, especially since he was abused by a man and after a while, he was """okay""" with it, I think Ryan Murphy just wanted us to see two naked men in the prison bathroom. That's why I rather Law & Order: True Crime: The Menendez Murders. It wasn't unrealistic and it focused on what happened. Also, Edie Falco was perfectly casted.
The older brother did admit in court that he abused his younger brother. However it was NOT a consensual "relationship" at all. The show should have made it clear that it was molestation, not a relationship.
@@cluckcluckchicken YES!
Even the cover for the show is gross. Lyle and Eric posing seductively shirtless?? When I first saw the cover I thought it was a new hot gay romance like Elite and I immediately recoiled when I realized it was a true crime.
I don’t deny what the boys did to their parents was gruesome.
I personally have always supported their release. If Gypsy Rose gets 10years, these boys should be out too.
I just find it interesting that the average person (rightfully so) speaks on things that they do to a pedophil*.
But then judge the boys as Monsters for enacting that kind of violent vigilantly justice. I can only imagine the type of helpless rage that would build inside with decades long extreme abuse.
I think the second trial put an illegal muzzle on the boys.
I found it fascinating that in the first trial, half the jury wanted to acquit in self defence and the other half didn’t believe the boys. The more fascinating was the half that didn’t believe were ALL men and the half that believed were ALL women.
What boys? No boys in this story. Don't like the show, change the channel but you are no detective.
Gypsy Rose was only released bc she didn't directly murder her mother. The man who committed the actual murder is still in prison. IMO he also deserves another trial.
Ryan Murphy is such a creep.
As someone who was around and remembers this case vividly, the prosecution's theory about men not being able to be sexually assaulted was seen as ludicrous then too. We were just as confused as you are today. I think the prosecuter hoped the jury was naive enough to believe whatever a prosecuter said.
I absolutely LOVE the first season of Feud. His version of Boys in the Band was also great. But he goes down hill quickly after that.
Hollywood was absolutely ridiculous.
The second season of Feud was as bad as the first season was delicious.
His has an upcoming project about John And Carolyn Kennedy. He had better be VERY careful there because he very likely will get his ass sued by the family if he's reckless.
As for Ed Gein (Pronounced Geen) that's going to be the absolutely worst one yet.
Ed Gein's crimes were mortifying beyond anything you can imagine. I bet Ryan is salivating to get his hands on the story, excited about how gross and exploitive he can be
I agree that the Ed Gein one will be the worst yet. I don't need to see any scripts or trailers. The casting of Charlie Hunnam tells me everything I need to know. At least with the casting of the first two seasons of Monster, there's enough of a resemblance between the actors and the real people for it to be semi-believable. This time, though, there is no resemblance whatsoever. Ryan Murphy clearly picked someone who is seen as a "heart throb" or "sex symbol" in order to sensationalize and sexualize the Gein murders as much as he possibly can.
@sallyversace Right? Charlie Hunam who's known more for his looks than his actual acting skill cast as ED GEIN!??!? In what alternate universe? Has he ever seen a picture of Ed? He was not attractive. Not in the least. Not EVER.
I'm on episode 5 of his new Netflix series, and I think there are too many details in Erik's testimony... it's like R. Murphy wanted me to imagine the rape scenes perfectly, in a pornographic way.
It's disgusting, it should be canceled, this guy disgusts me so much.
He thinks we don't know what he's doing?? That we're too stupid to realize that his entire work is a softcore fanfiction of truecrimes affairs
If you thought that episode was pornographic that says a lot about you. I sobbed through that entire episode it was heartbreaking and devastating.
@@g7924 . "That says a lot about you" lol
This is the first TH-cam video I see talking about this. I agree 100%. Ryan Murphy should not have peace after his disgusting behavior. Menendez brothers deserve better 😢
It's weird. He covers the abuse and exposes it but then also frames the guys as these Patrick Bateman types that are in incestuous relationship with each other. And it wasn't framed as "different perspectives" it was framed as things Kitty actually saw for example like the scene when she walks in the bathroom and they're in the shower together. Did anyone report this happening? No. Ryan Murphy just made it up.
Ryan Murphy: inserts himself into the machine. Also Ryan Murphy: I didn't insert myself into the machine!
Their parents were real monsters
@@przytulanka1979 it's pretty safe to say that entire family is. I don't think any of them were innocent
Ryan Murphy is gross and I’ve always hated him. I can’t wait for his yassified version of John Wayne Gacy, who will no doubt be played by Taron Edgerton.
The fukced up thing is that he could've told the whole truth and still had a hit show on his hands
I understand why actors continue working with Ryan Murphy but at the same time I don’t.
He’s so shameless, arrogant and willfully ignorant it’s sickening.
After the AHS and Dahmer situation, you’d think he would learn something or feel some sort of remorse over how the victims’ families felt.
If he didn’t want to stop adapting true crime altogether you’d at least think he would make a more concerted effort to talk the real people involved and affected by the crimes to make sure his portrayal was respectful.
But the money and fame and Emmy nominations are more important than being an empathetic human being.
Ryan Murphy lives for shock value, sexualization and sensationalism, and he doesn’t care who he offends on his way up the staircase to collect another award.
Agree. Somewhere in the 2nd episode my jaw started dropping open, realizing how exploitative this show is, and that netflix allowed this to happen.
😊 I'm old, so I was around for the first and second trials as a teen. I remember feeling incredibly bad for the brothers and was upset that they got a harsh punishment the second time. I didn't follow the second trail as closely, so I was unaware they used the excuse about boys/men being unable to be a survivor... It is wild. The abuse and violence towards children from the catholic church priests were making headlines in the late 1980s, well before this case, especially in the early to mid-90s. The state using the reason is vile and an act of violence.
I am not a fan of Mr. Murphy's dommer story and the way he treated the victims, so I have no hope he would treat the child violence and abuse with any seriousness. Murphy has probably caused more harm than good, considering the age demographic of the manosphere content. Including the way we fail survivors and victims socially and through the criminal system.
Thank you for speaking up 💜
For him to make a series about their trauma and say "things they claimed happened to them" is the actual monstrosity here. theyre not monsters.
I was also one of the 5 people obsessively watching Glee. If you really thing about it, thats more of a cursed horror story than AHS
I knew Ryan Murphy wasn’t right waaay back in the Glee days when he went on a smear campaign against Kings of Leon because they wouldn’t license their music for the show and basically accused them, with zero proof that I can recall, of being homophobic. I thought it was really gross not only because I loved and still love Kings of Leon, but because just because he didn’t get his way, he immediately turned it into homophobia. It’s even more insane to think of now considering his depictions of gay men and it’s affect on societies viewpoint of them. He is a narcissist period. Which is such a common thing to accuse people of these days, but I swear I could see it then. He doesn’t care about the gay community unless it could afford him some sort of victim status, or it enables him to demonize somebody who kept him from getting what he wanted, all under the guise of “activism”. The level of entitlement going on to think you are somehow owed access to someone else’s art is mind blowing. And the way I see it does way more damage to wider societal perceptions of LGBTQ people, than actual homophobia from straight society.
This was exactly my turning point too! How many artist let him profit off their work, which was for sale in form of Glee cover immediately, out of fear? He smeared people for nothing, they had reason, what if edgy rich kids sulking wasn't relatable to them and this is coming from someone who liked Glee.
The older I get and the more Ryan Murphy stuff comes out I started to notice he has a type when it comes to what actors he constantly has nude in a scene it’s always a brown eyed brown hair white guy im starting to think he only makes these type of shows for his entertainment
thank you so much for this, he is a genuine fucking menace. if ryan murphy has zero haters, i have tragically passed.
Ryan Murphy sold his soul to the proverbial devil and is absolutely awful for the queer community.
Honestly, I'm over Netflix all together. I cancelled my subscription after the last Mike Flanagan project. I did reup this month to watch Umbrella Academy and Emily and Paris. Regretted it. Cancelled again. 😂
Thank you for making this video. The more voices that speak up about Ryan Murphy, the better that people can be educated. As a survivor of parental abuse in my own childhood, I've always been protective of the Menendez brothers (I need to say I do not condone murder) so to see them being portrayed in a way that supports the salacious gossip that was never true, people are not being shown what very courageous, kind and compassionate the brothers actually are. It made me so angry that Lyle was shown to be this constantly nasty, attention-seeking, liar when he was incredibly compassionate with his brother and with other inmates. I'm so glad that Netflix is releasing a documentary because that's the least they could do after greenlighting such an inaccurate and unfair portrayal of real people.
To not even reach out to the brothers AT ALL is sickening and so disrespectful!! For Ryan Murphy to say he knows what their perspective is so he didn't have any point to visiting them is just beyond despicable. The lack of humanity from Murphy is shocking. It makes me question him as a person let alone as a writer...
Same. I dont condone murder, I simply want their accusations to be taken seriously! They are already in jail: there is no need to retraumatise them and their family members to "titillate" his cishet audience!
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I saw a small part, where Lyle was calling the police and then immediately turned the crying off, when in reality, the shock and pain of it all really did traumatize him so his tears and panic was genuine during the original call. I'm not going to watch the show.
Thank you so much for making this video. Ryan Murphy clearly has no empathy.. His facial expressions when he was being interviewed on the red carpet tells me so much. Makes me so mad that he has chosen to portray Lyle in such a way (as some kind of psychopath) on the show. Ryan Murphy needs to take a long look at himself in the mirror 😡😡😡
Monsters.. were those parents.
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Murphy is an extraordinary writer who, like Tarantino, has the ability to engross the audience with insightful and absorbing dialogue.
The actors were fantastic, emmy worthy. If the show was fictional i would say it was a fun show as there was a lot of comedy in it. While being disturbing. The real story is what should have been focused on instead of them dramatizing theories people had that were incest or it being about money. The abuse the boys went through is disturbing. Horrific, triggering. You name it, they shouldnt be in prison and hope one day they will be out. They had proof of the abuse done by their mother and powerful rich father! Witnesses and photos. This was the biggest case before OJ. Yet the show wasnt as good as it could have been. I feel so bad for the brothers, and bless Cooper for being so outspoken for them. ❤
Hey, it's not fair that us theatre/band/musical/lgbtqia+ kids got sucked into Glee. That was social engineering! At least very smart writing haha
It was definitely a very well orchestrated trap because the chokehold that series had on me…. 😮💨
I really wish I could remember who made this point, but I think it was Jack Saint. Whoever it was pointed out that Netflix does this skeevy thing were they make a trashy, exploitation show about real life crimes starring a popular actor because it makes a lot of money, but then they make a “better”/more legit documentary about the crimes to mediate the backlash generated by the fictionalization. Which is super gross. This isn’t just with Monsters but also with the Ted Bundy movie from a few years ago and more. Netflix is just as much to blame for this exploitation as Murphy is.
Ryan Murphy should have just written his own story: the Menendez brothers are still alive and no one took their allegations seriously back in the day. I'm disgusted.
Edit: what is he going to do next? Create a tvshow about Wade Wilson and made it look like his victims were the real aggressors all along?!
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I agree, I couldn't believe his response. The idea that he said he had no interest in meeting them or advocating for them after basing an entire series off of their lives seems to indicate he simply wanted to profit off of them. He comes across as a calloused business tycoon. The one thing I will say about the series is that it hopefully is bringing more people's attention to this case (I somehow had never heard of it before). But the more I learn about the actual case and about the brothers, the more exploitative the series seems.
I was a fan of Popular and sort of liked Nip\Tuck until every character became super hateful. I can not watch Ryan Murphy's shows because no one is compassionate or kind ever. Love is non-existent in these shows.
dude. DUDE. i’m kind of a sucker for a good menendez bros docuseries. THIS WASN’T ONE. i couldn’t finish more than an hour or two. it was a patchwork of ctrl c ctrl v from all previous series.
i’m oddly furious about this
I wanted to stop after the first episode, but forced myself to watch it for this video. Now I want my time back! 😅
Can I say thank you? I saw this and found it so deeply awful, especially after watching the documentary on Ann Burgess on Disney plus. She broke my heart when she talked about those men. This is cruel as fuck. It seems Ryan Murphy is the kind of guy who thinks he can make a serial killer fall in love with him. That’s it. It’s so gross and those two men, did not deserve this at all.
This was cathartic to listen to. The show was appalling. You should read Ryan Murphy's latest interview with the Hollywood Reporter. One lovely quote: "The Menendez brothers should be sending me flowers"
Why does that not surprise me? Right on brand with Mr. “Let’s sexualise every white man in Hollywood for my pleasure” 🙄
I hope the family finds a way to sue Murphy for defamation or something, especially because he didn't even take the time to interact with the subjects of his "art," but has no qualms to portrait them however he sees fit. Can you even legally do that, use another person's story for your benefits without rights to them? I see legal problems for him in the horizon. Fingers crossed.
I agree with this assessment. Ryan is grotesque. Rosie O has done more for these guys than anyone else.
I'm gay and Ryan Murphy is gross. Not everything has to be gay Ryan
I've been a "true crime junkie" since I was a teenager. Dahmer legitimately turned me off the whole subject. I still dabble, but I think twice before consuming anything. I did not need to think before contemplating this project, I won't be watching. You expressed so much of what I and so many people have been feeling about this man for years. He's queer, but not an ally. Quite the opposite, perhaps.
Ryan Murphy is gross. Constantly exploiting real life tragedies and basically making fan fiction of actual crimes constantly at this point including in AHS. It's gross but it's also frustrating that people watch these things he puts out. We can all say it's disgusting that he keeps doing this but unless people quit watching these things, he's gonna keep doing it.
I hated how Glee, always quipped " where the quarterback can be best friends with the gay kid". They weren't best friends. The gay kids dad married the quarterback's mother, they were stepbrother. The quarterback dated the gay kids best friend.
as someone who has looked into this case and have seen basically every documentary, interviews, court tapes, etc, this series sickened me. i couldn't even finish it. painting them as these incestuous entitled brats is just reinforcing what the media has already said about them. jose menendez also (allegedly) abused some of young boys of the boy band Menudo. he has a history of abusing children, so why wouldn't you believe them? the series claims to "want to see both sides" but when one side is blatantly ignoring male SA, are you really doing that?
Everyone at work told me I had to watch this series because they know how I am with true crime. I went home, watched two episodes, and shut it off. They made it out like it was all about the money. I also don’t believe they were faking crying when they made the phone call, so that scene irked me and gave me an idea of what the series was about I can’t speak on anything else because that’s all I watched.
As the show goes on it shows it wasn't about money. Ryan as much as I hated it, he was showing the theories the public had. Which even to this day some people believe.
When you watch the whole show, it does portray them as victims. The first two episodes are not a full representation of the tone. It's wild that he didn't talk to them before making it and it was salacious but I left it feeling a more empathetic understanding of why they did what they did. I think their portrayal was very sympathetic. Not defending Ryan Murphy but I think alot of the liberties he took with the Menendez boys characterization actually make sense because if you were victims of childhood abuse, your behaviour would be very irratic and sometimes explosive. That said, he should have talked to them.
Thank you! This is everything. Perhaps the anthology Monaters isn't about the killers, but the true monster Ryan Murphy
A story like theirs has the power to be so impactful if presented accurately, empathetically, and in good faith.
The finished product of this series is, frankly, a disgrace.
Dude, your take is so on point.
💯 thank you! Yes. I love your take
i couldn't agree more. it's really disgusting. so many lies in that shows. why show the incest??? it's not even true! people will be even more disgusted by the brothers, because they will think they are into incest!!! it's retraumatizing. anyway... i loved your video. thank you.
I love the way you called him all the names at the end of your video and the realization of how much anger you have towards him 😂 It is sooo deserved.
yes. HELL YES! I could NOT watch Dalmer, any of them, it was so vile and WAY too soon.
I had hope for the Monsters series, but it was mocking undertones from jump! It was just sad.
Ryan Murphy needs his hardrives checked *BIG TIME!* I don't support his "work" because he glamorizes serious topics like sexual assault, abuse, violence and shock value and values that over *ACTUALLY* doing his research on true crime. I jumped ship on the Dahmer show after the first two episodes and the fact that the real life victims got pissed off and offended speaks 4K volumes. I didn't bother with watching the Lyle and Eric story because I saw the red flags and avoided the show. I was beyond disgusted when I heard about the incest bullshit between the two brothers. Hell most of the shows he writes fetishizes young men and paints them as Ken dolls with no brains, stereotyped campy gay or spoiled ass man child while he paints the women as screaming queens, bitches or bimbos which personally disgusts me. Hell I hope to god that third season gets cancelled and that's being planned to be about Ed Gein with Charlie Hunnam as Ed Gein.. I'm just.. ughhh! I'm currently watching the *OTHER* show he produced American Sports Story (I like the Josh Rivera guy, and I wish him the best in anything he does) and I actually had to ask my brother about the story and look up some of the stuff because I don't trust whatever Ryan Murphy churns out. Honestly, they need to keep this shit away from the Emmys and ban Murphy from Hollywood! My heart goes out to the cast because they deserve way better than this trash! My hat goes off to you for doing a deep dive on this garbage. Stay excellent.
I remember this case from the time (and have since read several books on it). While I understand the shock at hearing someone say that boys can't be R'ed, please understand this was NOT the typical thinking of 1990s America. In a courtroom people will throw anything at a defense - and that's still true. Just like it's still somehow true that people will look the other way at female offenders (see: "hot, young" teachers and their male students) and still somehow true that people will assume your opinions based on how you look.
It's horrible and disgusting, fully agree. I guess I'm just trying to defend people who were around at the time who found it just as horrible and disgusting *in real time*. We can't blame the era; we can only blame reprehensible people for being reprehensible.
Also as a long time AHS fan, WTF is Murphy doing? Who was it who made the first couple AHS seasons good, because it doesn't appear to have been Murphy. All he's done lately is apparently put his own fetishes on screen. Everything he touches in the past several years has turned to slime. In this case, it looks like it started slimy and just got drippier. Do we have to wait for the surely inevitable "young actors accuse..." headlines for someone to put controls on this guy?
Thank you for speaking up about this. Aaron Hernandez is next, for OBVIOUS reasons
You are absolutely right about everything you have said. Ryan Murphy is the monster. As a mother of sons, it breaks my heart that these boys had to suffer the abuse and be abused again by this horrible show. Thank you. I we are to believe all women then it should be the same for men.
THANK YOU for speaking up! You are putting into words everything that was in my mind. I can't explain enough how this series made me feel bad. I didn't finish it. What makes me even more sad about it is that, their true story will be released on a documentary after this series, and documentaries are unfortunately not as public appealing as a series. I also think Ryan Murphy didn't need to make a series about the brothers, but that would be an opportunity to make other people discuss about what happen, like here in Brazil, where the Menedez Brothers movement is not that strong. Now, what I'm seeing everywhere are people that doesn't know anything about what happened but what is shown in the series talking sh*t about them, and it breaks my heart. And the fact that a documentary will not be as big as this series makes me real sad.
Who, I ask, is a show about Ed Gein for? Is it because it’s a case so old family members probably wouldn’t complain?
I don't see the problem, there's tons of movies about documented murder cases. Why's no one complaining about movies like The Zodiac and Ted Bundy with Zac Efron?
Robert Bloch based Psycho on Ed Gein. Hollywood has been doing this for a long time.
I have been saying this about Ryan Murphy for years. But people keep watching his shows. The only reason Pose was well done was because he had the assistant of Black creators
Why cancel culture don't work when it's actually needed?!?!?!
THE JUDGE WAS GARBAGE Well, I know someone may have said this already but I'm currently obsessing. The judge for all the trials was humiliated by the hung jury, and then presided over OJ Simpson in between the first trials and the second trial. At that trial, they judge would not allow them to use their defense at all -- nothing about the abuse, not the over 50 witnesses for the defense.
THE SAME JUDGE PRESIDED OVER THE COPS THAT BEAT RODNEY KING.
I'm having sever 80s/90s flashbacks. It was unbelievable.
And it is disgusting to portray them as sexual with each other considering their testimony about abuse. It's the worst part of it. One sexual experience they did have that is public knowlendge was when Lyle mimicked his father's behavior in court. Of all the things I've heard about that show, the incest stuff is the worst. Their actual true love for each other is so beautiful, I just don't think he could have found a way to portray it in his story.
Ryan Murphy shows always make use of oversexualized scandal. It's always some excuse to cast very attractive straight men to do gay stuff. Lots of queer casting too, but strongly skews everything to a gay gaze when it really doesnt need to be.
My dude, GO OFF! Everything you said was 100% true. How dare he reabuse abuse victims?
its a very good video and i liked it a lot!!!! i am also a ryan murphy fan, a huge fan. but i do think that u are completely right and i think its sad when u think about it. like hes making a show ppl feel bad about watching/enjoying. also i dont ever want to imagine, someone making a show about my personal abuse. it shouldnt be that way. big thumbs up to you!!!
"Issued a statement without seeing the show"
*IT'S ABOUT THEM YOU NARCISSISTS!* 😅
some of those tapes from the first trial...of the boys talking about specific moments when they were being ab*sed....so horrific. and so heartbreaking that they had to go through the experience of being re-traumatised and the shame of having to tell those stories, to a jury and judge that didn't have enough empathy. there are medical records, the family talking about how horrible those 'parents' were, etc etc. their case was handled horribly
I've always found Murphy's work problematic, even during his "Glee" heyday but every other queer I knew would just shush me. LOL
Years later and his formula of taking attractive (often white, "it's only a preference") men and making them go through the kind of weird fetishistic torture that female characters go through in this type of media has gotten really tired. It's as though he envisions his fantasies first and then tries to write a story around that. Maybe that's why his work usually falls apart as a confusing mess before it concludes.
Ryan Murphy is all about entertainment. He is not the only one who makes serial killer movies.
I could not agree with you more, friend! Thank you for bringing the truth about this creator to light. In FACT, it is Murphy who is the actual monster! 💯
Thank you so much for this. I’m in 100% agreement with you on how vile Ryan Murphy is. Everything is an ego project for him.
I think he’s the embodiment of fake Hollywood and I’d love to see his star power crash and burn, just like Diddy & Co.
light those candles and get the wiccan circle ready. time to conjure up ryan murphy gaining an actual conscience and soul.
Revictimizing in all the ways possible. The actors performance about the abuse are moving, but the scripts its just morbid.
I am going play your entire video for Erik. He can only hear the audio, but it'll be worth the validation for him. 🎉
The story felt extremely fake at times and I feel like the brothers were portrayed out of character a lot of the time. The acting was amazing though but the brothers just didn’t feel right at times on the show. The story at times just really felt fake. Even court room scenes didn’t entirely feel true and over done.
Thank you for turning my thoughts and reactions into videos ❤
He goes WAY too far. He also relies way too much on shock value. Will not be watching this show. Such a weird stance for him to take. Around the drildo demon in hotel I was done. I was like this is sick. It felt like fetishizing rpe. I couldn't even watch. His tone is very much "They should be grateful." It's gross.
He’s ironically like a modern Truman Capote. A story at any cost. And it’s frustrating because stand alone the stories are fabulous. And as u said, it’s really what the plots bring out of the actors. Good for u on speaking out for this
Thank you! I love how people can see trough the bs.
I watched the show with my partner (i didn’t know anything about the brothers, I knew it’s coming out so I also didn’t research anything myself so I can judge the series first )
And after it ended I knew that it was severely pushed against them
Because I’ve been abused by my own father
So I don’t take these things lightly at all
It’s extremely shocking
My partner was saying that the brothers are laying and I was MAD, we even got in a fight because I said he can’t judge it by some made up series, that it’s definitely over dramatised. It was already made different ways to make your own judgement but still for someone who doesn’t know anything about the case made them think that they are lying.
After the series i started watching the real court videos and i am telling my partner to watch too.
This case makes me extremely emotional, because the abuse was just severe. I hope someone does something and they get out and get some compensation for being kept in prison longer than they should have been.
Your partner sounds like a child lacking in critical thinking skills.