I Am Done With All These Archery Techniques
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- I Am Done With All These Archery Techniques
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I can relate Jason. I started trad archery about two years ago shooting instinctive only. My progression with practice went very well, then I tried gap shooting. Ugh, what a mistake that was. I did as much research on gap shooting as I could find but it nothing helped. I tried gap for a month with terrible results. I was a mess for a while but I'm back shooting instinctive. I'm having fun again and things seem so much more comfortable and natural. Thanks so much for your videos. I've learned many things from you. Much appreciated!
Glad your shooting is back on point and you got it all sorted. nothing feels worse that not being in control of your shooting.
" Ldo not miss, I do not miss, I am a kIller " LOL
😂😂
I shoot just like you with recurve. I release quicker though. I know when I release it was a good or bad shot before it gets anywhere near the target. Edit: not as good YET.
Yep thats a love/hate feeling. When you release the string and instantly know what's gonna happen🤣
100%. Tried it all. For me, solid bow arm, concentrate on a spot.
yep people want to over complicate it. concentration on the spot and consistant shooting wins for me.
I'm listening when I see that kind of shooting.
Thanks. the difference for me was noticable instantly on both sides of the messing around. I was happy with my shooting before I started messing around, hated it during the messing around process of trying new stuff. and then loved my shooting again when I said forget it all and went back to just picking a spot.
I’m 100% with you Jason. Recently I tried a bunch of different shooting styles. Some gave me confidence but, killed my shoulder, some were horrible. I’ve since gone back to my “normal“ draw weight 60# and back to my original style and can’t be happier. Great video
Yep less complicated simple and easy is always best. Otherwise we get stuck in our minds and all the bs. Glad your shooting well and loving it.
I’ve found trying to improve at archery sucks the fun.
Practicing however comes naturally is more enjoyable and inevitably leads to consistency and accuracy. However ‘bad’ your technique is according to modern archery experts!
agree 100%
I started six months ago. My right arm is much bigger than my left arm now. My tendons under and above my lower arm look like cables. I did not expect that. I wish it was symmetrical. Got laid up by back and fore arm pain really bad earlier on. I'm now using a 1968 56" grizzly that I bought from an 84 year old I know for 150.00. It's a 50# bow. The orange bag had a quarter inch of cement colored dust on it. When I pulled the bow out of the bag, it spoke to me. It looks brand new. I started with a 45#' Sanlida which is a pretty good set up for the money. I could barely pull it back halfway for over a month. Now it feels like nothing to pull the Sanlida.
Welcome to traditional archery! And congrats on your amazing new grizzly! You are gonna love shooting it.
Thanks, Jason U are spot on with just what I have literally been going through. Great Video Now all I have to do is what ur Telling me. THANK YOU AGAIN BROTHER.
Glad you enjoyed it! Yep, do what works best for you.
I find that an internal smile of confidence helps accuracy. I deploy it moment before the shot. I also find follow through distorts my accuracy and just release and hold hand position. I find left hand grip and nock height to be very important for accuracy. Also, keeping arrows clean, numbering them and taking note of the best performance arrows. I pulled my three best and put broadheads on for Turkey season. My limit is 15 yards. I feel confident at 10-13. Solid groups of 1.5" or less and the occasional flyer.
Outstanding. And love that you are keeping your shots close! Thats what bowhunting is all about.
You use a 26" draw...please recommend a bow that is reasonably quick and forgiving
You don't get both. Really quick and forgiving is like asking for light weight and strong. Can't have both. Fortunately quick is irrelevant speed means nothing in a bow. Forgiving means everything. A bow style is a very personal choice. In my opinion the most forgiving bow is a straight limb longbow like those made by northernmistlongbows.com. but that type of bow is not for everyone. Best thing you can do is attend a shoot in your area where you can try different bows. Recurves are a good happy medium with speed and shoot ability and any recurve today is a good bow. Samick sage, bear kodiak, black hunter from Amazon, etc.
Watch the John Schulz video again.
Improvements don't happen overnight. Shooting one way for years and then expecting to change something and see success immediately is unreasonable.
but going from great shooting to horrible shooting is not a step in the right direction
turners shot IQ
He explains how we anticipate recoil.
He is primarily dealing with sights and while we instinctive archers don't have them, all of the rest of his system is great for quiting all of the distraction in your head.
Know many people that have taken and love Joel's course
I hear ya ! BTW glad to see another southpaw !
Another fun word for ‘peeking’ from the gun world-they call it ‘gopher-head’n’ I call it that myself.
😂😂 I like it
Brother I just into the game hard a few months ago. I just go out back and do whatever works that day.. I try different things but I just stick with what works that day🤷🏽🤦🏾
That works perfect. Especially until you find ypur groove and style
That sounded expensive
That’s funny you say this because I’m doing the same thing right now. I’m wondering if it’s my arrow or my poundage is to heavy and then I have to remember it has to be heavy I’m a hunter not a target shooter. It’s only 70 so it’s not that heavy. I’m trying to pull through. Bending bow arm straight arm. Blah blah blah. And I think I just need to practice and pick a spot
Yep when you are shooting to hit a target just focus on the target. when you are shooting to work on form like a release just use a bag target at 3 feet and shoot with your eyes closed focusing only on the release. the focus is what matters.
plucking the bowstring is only caused one way..its from creeping at full draw
I dont cate how it happens or when it happens as long as I'm focusing on my spot
Shoot stumps beer cans plastic jugs tires anything you walk up on in the woods or in a field no set ranges no known ranges just shoot you'll learn the trajectory of your arrows that's trad archery. The key is shooting lots of shooting at any and every distance. I guarantee after a month of shooting everyday for an hour or 2 you'll be slamming bottle caps at 30 yards without ever thinking about it. If not then get a compound and a range finder there's no shortcuts or magic technique to shooting a stick bow. Put in the effort and you'll reap the rewards, simple as that.
Very well said. I still can't slam bottle caps at 30 yards. But agree with everything you are saying.
Real world is making a first shot every time. That means after the first arrow (which was a good hit), you would change distance or body position etc. In order to fill your brain with scenarios it can recall, you need to create scenarios. If you train like that in the yard and then hunt from a treestand and the first day the big buck steps out, I bet you will shoot high or miss high because you haven't trained the different perspective in a while. If you train like that, try to shoot max. 2 or 3 arrows at one target before switching it up. Generally, only shoot a second arrow, if you missed with your first and let your brain autocorrect.
Train from a treestand if you hunt from a treestand, train shooting out of a ground blind when hunting from a ground blind, train with your hunting clothes on if possible. Thicker clothes will change your draw length and may change your arrow spine, especially when shooting borderline stiff. Try to shoot in the area of perfect and too weak. Shorter draw while cold and thick clothes will still produce good arrow flight.
Great tips
For every instinctive shooter who wins a trad tournament, there’s 20 or more gap shooters who win. Just the facts…..
Cool. But honestly I don't care one bit. I'm not a target archer. And I will never ever listen to, pay attention to, or care how anyone else shoots a bow. My way only from now on.
KISS method works for me
nothing better. simple and easy and let your mind and body do the math. just focus on the spot.
I agree, pick a spot and shoot, too much thinking takes a way from the instinctability of of it all,great video
Exactly how I feel
This is the number one problem for archers - thinking.
Think about it... look at all the nuances people swear are critical to success, it is absurd.
The reality is it boils down to as you say 3 things.
Great archer? Howard Hill , and a protégée of his John Schulz, but then there is Byron Ferguson for example, that did nothing like Howard or John, yet is acclaimed in his own regards. Then there is Lars Anderson. This goes on and on and on....
fantastic points.
Howard Hill said... upon release both hands do nothing
great advise from a great shooter.
I have experienced every thing you discussed in this video. And you are 100% correct. Is my back tension right, is my bow arm bent right am I pulling through the shot. Well I had to stop listening to all the BS in my head, and just do what feels right and shoot. Thanks for sharing this. All new and old shooters should watch this. Like Howard Hill said, ask yourself are you a target archer or a hunter. Its hard to be both at the same time for some people, so choose. I chose to be a hunter. Thanks and God bless
very well said and agree 100%
I learned to finger shoot anchoring under my chin. May not work for everyone but I get a real clean release because my thumb rests on my lower jaw.
Yep the old target style release. dont see it much these days but it sure is a fantastic way to shoot a bow and if it works great for you then it is great for you.
Too many people are trying to bring what they know about shooting compounds to shooting trad bows. All that stuff sounds good on thrange until a deer is walking towards you, or you have to shoot on one leg and a 3/4 draw because the deer is directly below you. Stay with what got ya’ here.
Agree 100
Damn Bro, hit the nail on the head! I agree, shoot what's comfortable for you. There is NO right or wrong way if you're hitting the target. Been shooting trad my whole life, didn't make the change when wheel bows came out. I figured, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Not knocking anything, if it works.
Exactly. Each shooter has to FIND what works best for them and then let the bow eat. pick a spot and the mind and body can work out the math while the shooter focuses on focusing.
I had the same issue only with a shotgun and duck hunting. I was very good and then I read all these articles on leading the bird etc. Screwed me up for years. A lot better now. Your brain works way better than you think and will figure it out with whatever you do. I guarantee it!
yep pick a spot and let your mind and body work out the math.
I don't agree with everything you say but i like your videos, thank you for sharing.
Nothing wrong with that!
Great shooting! I shoot the same why with picking the spot. What arrows set up do you have?
720 grain carbon with 450 grains upfront. 200 grain insert, and a 250 grain razor broadhead.
I have tried it all and gap shooting screws you up so bad I wish I never did it I almost quit shooting because of it now I have worked on my straight arm and now I burn a hole in the target your videos are hands down the best it’s straight up no bull 💩 and I can’t wait till hunting season here in Pennsylvania great stuff brother
Same here. Gap almost wrecked me.
People tend to forget humans have used bows and many different types for thousands of years we are hardwired to shoot a bow naturally get some techniques yes but find what works best for you
Fantastic point and solid advice
You either start with gap shooting. Or never go into gap shooting. One does not simply merge over to gap shooting.
As i found out the hard way recently.
3 under screwed me up for a long time this past year. I have shot on and off for 20 years and shot instinctively until last year. My range and groups improved. But for some reason 3 under amplified my target panic
Target panic comes in all forms. And can hit anyone at anytime. It's brutal
Yep, grip it and rip it 🏹
I tried gap shooting a decade ago to try and "help" my kids zero in. Horrible mistake 😫
Great video
i think gap is still the best method for many shooters. but for me it was a huge mistake to even try. wont make that mistake again.
Great video. Love the philosophy and advice. Aim small miss small lol
Yep and focus only on the spot is the gamer changer for me
You said it in a nutshell ( pick that spot ) , some people have to assert their view as the only way, many of us need tp apply this to our daily lives.
Agree. I think we all would accomplish much more if we just focus on the spot rather than get bogged down with the mechanics of it all.
Aiming with gap also totally different than instinctive in that with instinctive, you are focusing on a spot on the target, with gap, you are focusing on the point of the arrow.
true. I can not shoot well with gap.
I want to get into long bow hunting. I'm 7'2 and long arms. I need to find the right bow
Yep you will want a custom made bow to match your long draw length. Lots of amazing bowyers out there build bows that will work great for you.
When someone gets into the zone with a longbow they will absolutely stack em in there. Great shooting
Agree 100% love shooting a longbow
Thank you I've had same problem you so right
Glad you enjoyed the video.
U r the yang to jake kaminsky's yin 😂 thats why i follow both of yall. Love the videos.
😂 glad you are enjoying the videos
Great video, just an all around great video. One thing I will add, I started off shooting lighter bows at the beginning of my journey, as you often hear start light to learn. I learned on a 45 pound longbow, well, once I felt dailed in a year or so later I started hunting and shooting only mid 50s... I never went back to the lighter bow because I thought it would be back tracking... Recently I went to the light bow with a more serious nature, realized I am much, much more accurate with lighter bow AFTER learning how to get off the string clean.... I'm a few weeks into shooting my little 45 and I may just stick with it, and not move up again...heavy high foc slim micro arrows we have now, no reason to shoot higher weight IF you don't wanna but also want to kill.
Agree 100% you do not need the heavier bow! the arrows do all the work.
Dropping my bow arm and hitting left (right handed shooter) is something I have to fight. It affects my point of impact most with my ASL as it’s less forgiving of such things compared to my recurves (shelf cut closer to center on my recurve).
I used to do that alot too as I would peak to see where the arrow hits or how it flies. I have a podcast coming out and more vides on how I am isolating aspects of my shooting for "form" work that doesnt affect my real shooting sessions. its been working amazing.
"Too many minds" Nobutada Last Samurai; sums this up perfectly. Keep em coming Jason!
🤣🤣 loved that movie and use that line all the time. Including a bunch of times on a podcast I have coming soon on this topic
great advise
Thanks. For me, this has been a huge improvement. Just focusing on the spot I want to hit.
Perfect man
Glad you enjoyed it
My release hand pretty much stays where it is too.
Works best for me
Great talk and i gotta say your bow is very quiet
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it
What is the poundage of your bow Dave
57 pounds
Question:,Can you recommend a traditional bow or perhaps a price range that I should pay for a decent bow? Use to be traditional hunter decades ago and miss it very much. Would love to see vid on equipment recommendations,cost etc. I attend the PA bow hunter festival yearly and there are many traditional bows for sale but I don’t know what to look for. Can you help?
Lots of great bows out there in all price ranges. The 150 dollar range has many of the China and Asia bows like the samick sage and black hunter. Up from there you have some of the bears and Martin bows and they are excellent. Then you get into used custom bows for about half to 3/4 the price of new custom bows. Best thing to do is attend those shoots and try some of the bows and find one that you like and can afford. It's hard to find a bad bow today. They are all excellent
Thanks! (I’ll stick with American lol)
The worst thing I did was watch the popular channel that “pushes” three under, fixed crawl, gap shooting. Totally killed my shooting to the point I didn’t hunt with my longbow for 2 years. A couple of weeks ago finally went back to split finger, no clicker, just focusing on the spot and letting my brain do the rest.
yep there is a ton of info out there and it can be overwhelming. Im the same. pick a spot and let my mind and body do the math.
I'm the same way. When I take a shot everything is in autopilot. All I do is focus on a spot and repetition and practice all comes naturally. When you start going through a checklist at full draw thinking about form and release....you have confidence problems and boy does that suck. I had it a few years ago from the same thing. Tinkering with my form based on what I was hearing on TH-cam. I was shooting 6 inches left no matter what I did. I had to stop shooting for a few months to forget about the bad habits I had incorporated and had become automatic. Luckily I overcame it. But I feel you, nothing sucks more than not being totally confident in your shooting.
agree 100% the last month has been brutal and the lack of confidence overwhelming.
Jason this was a superb explanation thanks
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for the info. I ordered a bow from Steve (Northern Mist) yesterday based off you recommendations. I’m looking forward to learning to shoot an ASL.
you will love it.
Subscribing for the trad stuff
Glad you are enjoying it.
i enjoy watching all your videos on saddle stuff but with regards to this video on shooting you have it all backwards..sorry to say but i guess theres more than one way to skin a cat..if u havnt listened to the free info on the internet about shot execution your missing out..
I will never ever again for the rest of my life pay attention to, care about, or have any interest in how anyone else shoots a bow.
Termite122 have you seen his groups? There is a reason we watch his videos. If I shot groups like his I wouldn’t be looking for advice either. I don’t think he is missing out on anything my friend
Thank you, brother. You put words to my thoughts. I completely agree.
Gald you enjoyed it.
Me too. All you said. I messed with gap for 2 days. It was a mess. I am not as tight with my groups as you are, but I'm working on it. Thanks Jason good video.
Glad you enjoyed it. Gap is fantastic for many. For me it just diverts my attention. I need all my focus on the spot. Happy to hear you are shooting well! Shooting an arrow is an addiction. I went hog hunting today and brought my 4570 rifle just to change it up. I missed stump shooting my way back to the truck. Love shooting my bow any chance I can.
Amen! This is exactly me . Used to gap an string walk an do the proper form otherwise I’m going to destroy my shoulder an let the target go an all the mental stuff. An it deadset done my head in. After seeing the old John shulz video an giving it a try it blew my mind. Every archery coach or guru said that’s a terrible way to shoot ,but I’ve never smashed so many arrows from tight grouping . So why do they keep pushing people down the best method or whatever it’s called path?
agree 100% the old phrase "everyone wants to reinvent the wheel" comes to mind.
Beautiful info thank you so much
Glad you enjoyed it
I agree with you, Jason👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Awesome lesson. !!!
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Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for subscribing
You always have good common sense advice, I think a lot of folks get to bogged down in the mechanics and start overthinking.
agree. we are always trying to be better. but i think there is a cost associated with it that hurts more than it helps.
Great vid shoot what’s comfortable to YOU. Also you basically robinhooded those last few arrows. NICELY DONE 🤙🏼👊🏼🏹
you nailed it. What works best for YOU.
I noticed you tilt your bow to one side. If I’m shooting a compound bow can I tilt it or is that a trad bow technique only?
Also, what poundage are you shooting?
Thx
Because a longbow has the arrow sitting right on top of my hand turning or canting my bow doesn't effect anything. With a compound your arrow is farther away from your hand Because of the arrow rest and the fact that you are using sights, canting the bow would cause the arrows to impact at a different spot
I shoot 57 pounds
Thank you! I still shoot instinctive, no sights. Miss the traditional bow but lack the tune to practice. Enjoy you vids.
I feel like trying to gap shoot while shooting split finger isn't very practical for hunting distances. Out to 25 yards my gaps are so dang huge its nearly impossible to judge the gap.
Never thought of that as I never shot anything but split. Interesting point
@@SamkoTradBow me too thats why I don't gap lol...I also tried the whole Joel turner break down every aspect of your shot thing with no luck. Like you said it may work great for some but thinking about 10 different things while trying to shoot wrecks my shooting.
@jarridcarter5001 yep only thing that matters to me is the spot i want to hit now
I do both, there’s no question in my mind that at close range, before your arrow starts dropping rapidly, instinctive shooting allows you to get off a MUCH quicker shot which can make the difference between success and failure, however ,just for me, if I have the time I find aiming to be more accurate especially at longer distances
That's what's most important. You found what works best for you
Instinctive baby .
my preferred method
“Pick a hair”
and if you cant see the spot or hair i project it with my mind. like a red lazer pointer spot and then shoot for that spot.
Do what works for you
Agree 100
I needed this 👏🏻
Glad you enjoyed it
As a new archer this vid has been a great eye opener. I’m just starting off and so I’m working through different techniques to see what works best with me but though all that I just think too much on my form and forget to lock onto to the target. I will now try what I’ve learned in this vid and hopefully it’ll improve my archery.
Glad you enjoyed it. L9ts of great technics out there and it's worth trying it all to find what's best for you. Then throw the rest out and develop your own style that fits you best.
Awesome video 👍🏻
Thank you
Is that a shrew bow
Northernmistlongbows.com classic model
Well done Jason
Thank you
Actually the resume of the video is: I know how to shoot my bow, i am good at this, but HAVE NO IDEA how to explain my technique to you. End of story!
cool
great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
I needed this thanks!
Glad ypu enjoyed it
Great stuff man! I personally had issues with my focus on target.. Watching your videos has helped me immensely and also reminding me the things I should be focusing on.
glad it was helpful.
I want to THANK YOU Jason! this vid motivated me to work on my release(I have a mild pluck) but then I focused on keeping my bow arm straight and BOY my groups not only tightened up but I am consistantly drilling the spot! Thanks again for all you do, also your, vid, R U Good enough, was a huge eye opener and is the reason I'm taking my recurve out this season!
Love hearing this! gonna be an amazing deer season for you this year!
Right on Brother I've been shooting traditional archery since 1963 I'm 68 years old still shooting traditional archery I don't even shoot what they say on the right spine arrow I shoot ceder arrows sometimes light sometimes heavy always hitting my Mark I've been shooting so long I know my bows and my arrows Howard Hill in one of his shooting demo's shot spine arrows fron 45 to 80 pound all out of 70 pound long bow hitting his mark at 40 yards perfect group's enough said about all b.s on arrow spine in all your shooting technique is how I've been shooting All my life regardless what the so called experts say keep it simple enjoy this God given blessing on instinctive traditional archery great job God bless
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it and I agree 100%
Howard Hill, who in turn instructed John Schulz, advised the same release you suggest.
@@johntandycrabtree392 but they both did it much better than I do😂😂
Your 100% correct. I pretty much fixed it by following the arrow to the spot, don't move anything, focus on spot, follow arrow to spot.
That's a great way to explain one focus on follow thru
Nice to hear someone keeping it simple. I started shooting recurve 50 years ago. Long before all these techniques, styles, etc were a thing. I still shoot game with the same Bear recurve. No frills. Great video!
Yep no reason to over complicate a stick and a string.
after the olympic recurve, i learmed to shoot with a longbow
some principles remains the same : your bow arm does not move, it gives the direction and the strength of the arrow
if you look the videos of our french former world 3D champion Romain Gardeur, you have the same technical preparation
nothing more to say, just look at your example,
BRAVO !
Thank you and glad you enjoyed the video. For me this method works best
I can’t gap shoot either. I am all instinctive shooter. I like to compare it to pitching a baseball. You hold the ball a certain way (like I do a bow), but I am only concentrating on the spot on the glove I am throwing to, everything is natural.
No aiming allowed. Feel the arrow, be the arrow, young grasshopper.
very well said. agree 100%
Could not have explain this better. Having a checklist in your brain while trying to harvest an animal is very distracting. I also gave up on being a robot while shooting i follow the general technique of instinctive shooting and let muscle memory do the same. Just like throwing a baseball or football. Look good form shoot.
Yep pick a spot, focus on the spot and let your mind and body work together to do the math.
Always enjoy your info have been shooting trad for 58 years but still always more to learn maybe see you in OK next season again like to do a javelina hunt in2023 if you have any information on ranches in Texas, give me a heads up.
Javelina is an amazing hunt. I did it 6 years in a row out of Marfa TX. Hunted with outfitter Wayne wemers. He no longer does it but there were othe ranches in the area. I would check it out. Was affordable and incredible
Great video my friend... I agree with you. I am a hunter, I do shoot gap, but I have that arrow way up and I am basically looking right down that shaft.
My point on is like 12 yards, which is perfect for hunting. Arrow drops really quick is the only downfall, 10 inches at 20 yards. 20 yards would be my max shooting at deer and thats an aim at the top of the back shot.
But for me it is what I switched to and I dont even think about my anchor anymore, its all about the same sight picture... but man, it is extremely accurate at close range. Im not sure why more hunters dont do this??
Thanks, Steve
That's a great way to shoot and close shot is all that matters to me!
Great video. Wish I could give it 10 thumbs up. People have to decide. Are you a real world application person or a paper puncher. I run into this teaching pistol shooting all the time.
Yep I think everyone needs to find whats best for them. But for me the best is forget it all and focus 100% on the spot. I do the same when shooting firearms. front site focus and drive it.
Have improved 100 percent since your cold shot video. Work midnights. Get out of truck grab bow in garadge shoot one shot. Live with it . Practice in evening. 3 under point on and just shoot. Solid anchor fletch touches nose done. Yes dump the B.S. GREAT Information today.
Glad you enjoyed it. The cold shot practice is a huge help
What I’ve noticed about Trad Archery it’s almost just like golf. Folks for get the goal, ball in the hole or arrows on target. When you start playing swing or shoot form bad things happen. When you practice practice when you playing or shooting to hit the target shoot at the target.
excellent example
Love your perspective on all these bloody techniques and tricks. Just shoot the damn bow, lol.
yep my shooting is so much better when I say forget it and just shoot.
As humans we overthink everything! Same with trad archery. Keep it ,simple be consistent with what you do and it doesn't have to be difficult.
Well said
You're not on your own mate, I have my slumps too and have think of my form continually. My biggest problem is shooting too much and muscles get too stiff to get into back tension properly and don't get that good alignment and straight back release. We'll explained mate!
Yep thats another one people don't think about. Shooting too much!