Surprising Spin Recovery | NOTHING Like A Cessna
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 พ.ย. 2024
- Flying Below Stall Speed, a FIVE turn spin, and more great training!
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In this episode I flip the “fun switch” and Luke gets me familiarized with the nuances of flying the full envelope of the RV-14, and we learn how to recover from #Mistakes when pushing the limits.
This airplane checks off a lot of boxes - it is a great IFR platform, but also being capable of #aerobatics, and #tailwheel configured was a bit part of the appeal.
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I’ve seen almost all your videos and I think this is my favorite so far. I actually think this video could save someone’s life if it convinces them to seek an instructor to learn aerobatics as opposed to teaching themselves.
I really like the way Luke Penner instructs, the best all around flight- and aerobatic instructor i've ever seen!
The quality of the images and the choices you made are really exceptional to watch. Thank you Steve for your time and effort
I really appreciate this sort of feedback Richard!
- I work hard to make the most immersive and engaging flying content that I can.
Thanks!
Hearing Luke talk about aerobatics was a joy. He's clearly got a DEEP understanding of it that few have.
Yes, Luke is awesome - flying at a competitive level is one thing, but being able to teach this stuff is an other. I'd agree that few pilots are this good.
Steve that popping, which is pretty normal in fuel injected engines, most likely is due to the fuel getting boiled in the injection spider lines sitting on top of the cylinders. When you back it off to idle you have a greatly reduced fuel flow running over top of very hot cylinders which can cause some of that fuel to boil interrupting that nice smooth flow of fuel to the cylinders and resulting in the popping you’re experiencing. Great video BTW!
Thanks for these insights Mike. It’s awesome when the community helps fill in knowledge gaps like this.
"She spins pretty...eh..."
"Yeah. Right?"
"Yeah"
The most pilot training exchange ever.
Great instructor, attentive student, and a capable plane. A winning combination!
I made it as background radio chatter on a chops video! What a Christmas present 🎁 😊 1:50
Haha - I love it!
OMG, so cool. I need a plane to practice my acro in! Also that sound of the Harvard doing the high speed pass! Frigin awesome Steve awesome.
Thanks for watching to the end 😎👊
Good morning from Minnesota USA!! Great episode! That is so much fun!!When I had my RV6 it was so much fun to do mild aerobics!!
This was super super insightful. I love the way Luke teaches.
Fun and fly to enjoy. Thanks for putting this video together. The fun switch has been used. The yellow is the best choice. Now getting the practice under your belt. Also thanks to Luke.
Gland you're enjoying the content, and thanks for appreciating the yellow paint job - some people think I should have kept it polished... but that was not sustainable :P
Great video Steve, so soothing to see the two of you working together!
Thanks 👍
It’s really interesting seeing other’s experiences even with a lot of types with spins. It reminds me how important some of both my unique training is and what so many pilots never have experienced.
That super cool Steve. Another Sean D Tucker in the making, love it !
If you're ever around D95 gimme a shout and I'll be right there, it's on my back yard.
Thanks Tim! that's not far from the museum - I often clear customs at Pontiac / KPTK.
That was the most sophisticated video about a how-to demonstration of aerobatics I have seen. Kudos! And Luke is an OUTSTANDING instructor. Bravo. Thank you for the obvious huge amount of effort that went into the production. ***** !
Wow, thank you Christoph!
Another excellent video Steve -- proving even more what a superb plane you have built. :)
Many thanks!
That barrel roll with the water demo was smmoootthhh! Fun episode! Cool to see the difference compared to a Cessna.
Steve you capture the emotions of flying...excellent filmmaking
Thanks Simon - that is the goal! I always appreciate feedback letting me know we achieved it.
Great episode. I did a load of aerobics is a Harvard a number of years ago. It was amazing.
Yes, the Harvard is an awesome flying aircraft!
Been waiting for this episode 🙌
Great Video! I had my first experience flying a powered aircraft recently, it's really quite something. Very different to sailplanes
Glad you enjoyed it!
That perfect 1G Barrel Roll is also why you have to learn to trust the instruments when flying IMC. Your inner ear lies to you when you are in flight.
I need that aircraft... man that's cool. Also all the tips from instructor. A spin in a 172 is not the same as on this aircraft, didn't know
Brilliant episode. Great instruction and great flying.
What a great a experience and to have such a great instructor like Luke. Looking forward to see him fly the T6
Wishing you and yours a Merry Christmas. And see you next year.
Awesome yeah - I'll get the rest of this series out in the late winter - it is good stuff! I have some other things I need to bump head of it for now.
Awesome content and great visuals. Learning whilst filming can be tricky as it introduces some new elements. Well done.
Thanks for noticing that aspect Gary - Much appreciated!
Congratulations on seeing Your dreams to completion !!! Steve it was Your Super Cub Tailwheel Series years ago that got Me started and for that I sincerely Thank You
Enjoy Your Holidays
The plane certainly turned out great I got to check it out in person at the Wisconsin air show
Awesome thanks John!
- I hope I was able to give you a high five when you stopped by to see the plane - was it at the 2021, or 2022 event?
Good video. I've always wondered what the inputs are for these maneuvers. Love the airplane.
Thanks for watching, and glad you found it insightful!
We flew a RV14A and we were really impressed with how stable it is for such a small plane!!
Awesome video...that 14 is amazing...between the 8, 14 , 10, and soon to be 15, Van's has built a variety of airplanes that no one else on the market can touch...
i love this youtube channel, so much interesting well filmed content
Happy to hear that Mitch! I work really hard on this stuff and even when the view counts can sometimes be disappointing, it is always appreciated and rewarding to get this sort of comment.
(I actually just uploaded a year end thanks / update video for the supporters over on Patreon.
- I'm not sure if you're a supporter, but I'd like to share it with you regardless)
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@@FlightChops Thanks for sharing mate! Thanks for alllllllllllll the effort you put in, it really shows. A happy new year to you.
Awesome job! Thanks for taking us along
My grandson and I met Luke at the Bay City, Mi. IAC contest a few years ago. 🙂👍🛩
As always very well done Steve!
Thanks Christopher!
I'll be reviewing this one frequently. Now that my AOA is finally calibrated I'll have to go through my approved series with the AOA on. I wonder how different the RV-8 might feel from the RV-14. I definitely need to get some more dedicated aerobatic training again and follow your procedure: capture track and video and debrief thoroughly. That would be fun to capture in CloudAhoy with my own imbedded video. So much fun, so little time...!
I find the 172 and especially the 150 spin great! Especially if you enter a little cross controlled. The Extra 330 isn’t a real good spinner.. often you have to “trip” the extra with a blast of power and opposite aileron. My RV-4 is a great spinner, as was my Baby Lakes Biplane.
Great aero learning..
Acro in the harvard is going to be awesome!!!!
This was an awesome episode!
flying with Luke was the best thing I could have done when I was transition training.
I just did aerobatics for the first time while getting my spin training in a Great Lakes. Its definitely addicting and I can see it quickly becoming a new hobby.
I hope that you somewhere warm! 🥶
@@EJWash57 Yeah mid 70s in San Diego 😅
"Because I was inverted 😎" -Steve, probably
Before class one morning we took up two planes; a Piper and a 172 - so the guys in the 172 could do spins and we'd watch. About 20+ years later another friend with a Citabra took me for a ride. She asked if I wanted to do a spin. My response was based on watching the 172...... :^D Won't make that mistake again! I experienced a real spin!
I want to head out to Manitoba for some aerobic leasons but I’m afraid I would have to buy a new plane after 😊
Do it! :)
Nice!!!
Really good stuff Mr.
This reminded me of a story my uncle told me of a time when he was training to be an RAF pilot during the war. He and his instructor where flying in a Tiger Moth and practising spins, My uncles first attempt was a little tame, his instructor said "Williams that was pathetic, put the stick well over and get into a spin proper", My uncle thought he won't have to tell me that again, He pulled up and reached stall speed and the put the stick hard over. He said the Tiger Moth got into a spin and he couldn't get it out, The next thing my uncle heard was his istructor saying "Willams i'm a married man with two children, I have control". Incidentally he did his training in Canada.
What a great show!
Love it!
23:05 Steve, well done on using a slight bit of aileron INTO the spin there! That's what a lot of planes need to exit a spin more quickly. (This comes from someone with very little aerobatics experience).
Ailerons aggravate spins, please don’t use them for recovery
Any aileron during the spins would not have been intentional, I was doing my best to keep them neutral at all times.
Aileron into the spin is standard practice when recovering from a flat spin. In a normal spin it reduces the lift of the stalling wing and therefore increases the aoa at which it stalls. This makes a quicker spin recovery possible. This is my understanding of it, but I am reasonably convinvced that it is applicable here.
@Mindy Janis I don't know if this is a thing where they will teach the students things that are almost perfect because the risk reward is too low. The benefit of into-spin ailerons is too little compared to the risk of a pilot applying incorrect aileron.
But again this is what I gathered from rc flying, videos about flat spin recoveries and some simulator hours. While I have done spin training in a Fox (aerobatic glider) I am still less qualified to talk about this than most of you probably.
So feel free to experiment with my suggestion or ignore it entirely.
@@Juhujalp Flat spin requires power, which is not apart of a normal recovery. Aileron into spin will cause the spin rate to increase and be less flat, aileron out of spin will slow the rate and cause a flatter spin. Neither would be appropriate for recovery. Dont take me word for it, please go experience it for yourself with an appropriately rated aircraft and experienced instructor
Steve, great video! Just curious about how well you tolerate aerobatics……. Do you feel nauseated at all? Has that changed with more experience?
Hey thanks - I’ve had good luck tolerating it; but no doubt there is a period of acclimation required to get comfortable… and even then, you need to maintain it.
Awesome content as ever! What is the beeping during take-off? Is it the stall-warning, and if so, what is the relevance during rotation? Thanks!
That's the angle of attack indicator.
It seems to be unavoidable that you'll hear it during a normal take off and landing
Awesome!
I haven't done spins in a long time. I always thought you stop the direction of spin first then went stick forward to pitch down into the direction of airflow before pulling back to recover. Somebody correct me please.
Ask Mr.Penner if he can instruct in Low German. Those Manitoba Mennonites will impress you from time to time. Lol.
These are the moments you realize how much you can learn from an instructor. Also, how many pilots are familiar with those corners of the envelope of their planes that could kill them?
Exactly
That’s a transferable skill to all air sports. In skydiving you always want to know your canopies limits and practice at the edge of them because weird sh*t happens.
What stuns me is the number of pilots, skydivers, even ultra lights who don’t regularly practice their basic safety/recovery drill. Every time I put a rig on I go through Look, Locate, Cutaway,,, Pull reserve!
I’ve had to do it once for real and literally didn’t think about it, my body just did it.
As a side note know your bodies limits I’ve nearly blacked out from corkscrewing down with a mate after we done a “hop n pop” open at 8000ft on a dead still day, dropped 2000ft in a tight right turn accelerating, no anti G clenching because i was a fool 😂 realised what was happening as everything started going dark thankfully have since learnt not to be a spanner and how to clench properly when I am being 1!
I crave learning to fly. I hope life affords me the chance before I’m too old 😂
Why don't the two of you come fly the Expanded Envelope Exercises® with me in Savannah?
Thanks Ed, that would be cool and I look forward to getting into the edit of the AirVenture 2022 content we captured together.
Very interesting and useful. Question: At about 18:29 into the video, it looks like the exhaust got smoky. What happened there? Negative g?
Yes, check that section again and you’ll see I put some text on screen explaining, as well as a photo of that breather set up.
@@FlightChops Thanks for the explanation and the video edits. Not sure why Van's designed it that way, but I guess it helps keep the belly clean. I noticed that arrangement for the EXP119 engine installation in OP-62 p. 23, and was a bit puzzled. One normally doesn't want to dump flammable liquids on hot exhaust pipes, but there could be a good reason to do so.
Cool yeah - but I think that is literally the reason (although I haven't specifically verified it).
This is ultimately how smoke oil systems work - there is a line drilled into the exhaust pipe that injects oil to be burned into white smoke when you engage the system...
This is just a case where you're burning oil from the sump which, as you've pointed out, would otherwise end up on the belly.
That said, after a flight like this, there is still oil on the belly :P
Nice work, Steve! MAN that's one heck of an aircraft! Impressive in every way! That dull sounding backfire is good - means it's a little on the rich side. At least that's how I interpret that from my ground-based engine experience. Luke is definitely the right man for this job - you couldn't have had any better instruction. You learn this stuff quick, so his job was easy I'd imagine. If only we could feel the forces as we peer through our computer (or phone) screen! Looks like a blast! Thanks for sharing as usual. You and the family have a Healthy, Happy, & Prosperous 2023, Steve!
So does this episode actually come before the episode where you had issues when looping?
Yes. This was a lot more of an edit because of how much we shot that weekend. The loop emergency was easier to bump into the publishing pipeline. (And yeah, it was after paint - very recent :)
lots of EHs in this video, awesome
That was a special treat - thanks!
I took a look at the Garmin ESP system. Gave me flashbacks to the Airbus flight control law protections. In the c case of ESP, I take it that it "does it thing" through the autopilot servos, is that correct? So, is the "fun switch" simply removes power to the servos, or is there more to it than that?
Enjoy your holidays!
The “fun switch” disables ESP in the software and leaves the autopilot fully able to be armed by other means - so no, it does not cut power to the servos.
There is also a switch on the lower switch bank of the panel that turns the entire autopilot system off; that is what Luke used on the previous flight when he did the solo aerobatic sign off of the plane.
And thanks for the friendly feedback - enjoy your holiday as well.
Current = legal, Proficient =Safe. About as simple as is gets.
Just because I have caught it, you are NOT doing a positive change in control unless you have edited it out. Remember positive change in controls can prevent accidents!
Can you elaborate? I do not understand what you are talking about here.
@@FlightChops for positive change of controls
Pilot 1: “you have control”
Pilot 2: “I have control”
Pilot 1: “you have control”
It is repeated back to verify and leave no doubt about who has the controls.
If requesting control then you swap I with you and vice versa.
@@FlightChops The dude has brought up an interesting point to keep our Flight Chops sharp. It's a nit-picky thing that I'm also guilty of. The whole "I have control"/"You have control" is directly from the Flight Instructor Guide in Canada (TP 975). Many pilots say, "you got it" or "your plane", but according to the the book, that's inaccurate. If you or Luke need any other advice, I'll be in my armchair enjoying your content. Hmmm. In fact, I think I just found a new topic for my Live Stream on Monday at 12:00 Eastern....😉
It sounds as if aerobatics make you more Canadian. 😅
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*eh
Where are your parachutes?
There was a brief caption saying you don't have to have parachutes when doing aerobatics in Canada. Canada, where men are men and parachutes are laughed at.
High enough to use a parachute, high enough to recover!
@@ILLEagle_1 I believe the parachute is only used if the aircraft has a structural failure
Correct that there is no regulation in Canada requiring chutes to be worn for aerobatics. That said, Luke wore one on the previous flight when he validated the aircraft through all the maneuvers and up to 6G… Thus, we were confident that structural failure was not a risk.
That said, I do intend to get a chute for the added safety, and to abide by the FAA regs if/when I fly acro in the U.S.
@@FlightChops Only as a last resort ..BAIL OUT Never needs to be said
im throwing up
Haha - sorry 😬