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- Richard Powers is the Pulitzer-prize and National Book Award-winning author of twelve novels, including Orfeo, The Echo Maker, and The Time of Our Singing. The Overstory, Powers most recent novel, is a sweeping, impassioned tale of activism and resistance that is also a stunning evocation of - and paean to - the natural world. The Overstory unfolds in concentric rings of interlocking fables that explore the essential conflict on our planet: the one taking place between humans and nonhumans.
Bill McKibben is an author, environmentalist, activist, and the co-founder of 350.org, an international climate campaign that works in 188 countries around the world. His 1989 groundbreaking book, The End of Nature - issued in dozens of languages and long regarded as a classic - was the first book to alert us to global warming. He’s gone on to write a dozen more books, most recently Falter: Has the Human Game Begun to Play Itself Out? The Schumann Distinguished Scholar in Environmental Studies at Middlebury College and a fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, he is the recipient of the Right Livelihood Prize, the Gandhi Prize and the Thomas Merton Prize, and holds honorary degrees from 18 colleges and universities.
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Fascinating discussion, thanks. I am reading The Overstory at the moment and came here seeking to learn more about Richard Powers. Now I'm subscribed to Bill McKibben's mailing list too! Thank you :)
I am deeply grateful for this powerful, transformative book and for this fascinating interview. I am glad Powers acknowledged Robin Wall Kimmerer, but I am surprised he didn't mention who he based his lynchpin character of the scientist, Patricia Westerford. It seems hard to believe he wasn't drawing on Suzanne Simard and her book 'Finding the Mother Tree'?
I have not experienced such a pleasurable hour in many years. Thank you both.
The Overstory ... A sublime towering novel ... transformative and utterly inspirational. Thank you Bill McKibben and Richard Powers.
How wonderful to have these two in conversation!! Thankyou Richard, Bill, and the JCCSF!!
I love this!. I worked on my own book while listening. It is an inspiration
Excellent 😢
In indigenous communities forests are seen both as something sacred and as a source of goods necessary for their survival, just like us in cities, except that we buy the items at stores, but every thing is made of a material that was extracted from nature and many times from a forests. The solution is in the urban areas, condone foreign debt so countries can rebuild their forests and urban people learn to live with less
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I beleive there is still a small remnant of old growth forest near New Brunswick, NJ owned by Rutgers - its possible to visit it with supervision/permission.
Wish I knew about that when I lived in NJ!
The American Chestnut part of this book, planted way outside of its native range as the entire East Coast range died off from blight, may very well be analogous to a human Mars colony watching the entire human population of Earth die off back on home. In The Overstory, the transplanted American Chestnuts, three I believe, didn't have an ideal life either. I can foresee the Mars colony struggling too.
It is not that indigenous people are "intentionally" protecting the forest, they live there and above all they have a "very simple life style" something that the rest of the world is totally unwilling to use as a model to reduce the huge amount of resources that consume. That is to me the problem with this isolated way to talk about forests,.
Are the leaders of powerful countries the ones that need to be persuaded, along with the inhabitants of largest cities in the world, unfortunately no hope, and what you really propuse is to keep the poorest people of the world to remain poor and "protect" the forests
The word for world is forrest - LeGuin
The word "world" comes from two Ole English words: "were" (like werewolf) and "eld" (like eldery).
Were means "man" and "eld" means "age" so were+eld (world) means something like "the age of man."
Pointing this out not to correct you but to reinforce LeGuin's definition.
When the forest over and done with, I imagine that the age of man will soon follow.
Very sad to play with an octopus deprived o his freedom, and we are all animals, but certain human societies are just using more resources , and very difficult to think that will change, what worries me is that "simple living societies" are adopting the "high demand resources lifestyles"
At the end, during the Q&A Bill McKibben promotes lithium ion battery dependent solar and wind (along with Elon Musk's cars and home batteries). I wonder if he was aware of how the children have to life in the Cobalt mines in the Congo in order to make those batteries and how many old growth forest regions are being clearcut here in the Boreal north of Ontario to carve hard rock Lithium mines into the Earth, if he would still be promoting the greenwashed "sustainable development" agenda?
At the present time, large scale 'Green Colonialism' and ecological devastation is planned for the Boreal Forest northern Ontario and Quebec.
Our corrupt corporation captured government is helping to initiate large projects to pillage the lands of indigenous peoples (Cree of Eeyou Istchee, the Shakopaatikoong peoples of the Slate Falls first nation and the Waabitigweyaang peoples of Sandy Lake, among others ) and the body of Mother Earth in new Cobalt, Tantalum and Lithium mines in northern Ontario and Quebec.
Hard rock lithium mining involves deforestation, draining lakes and rivers, blowing the land into pieces with explosives, carving deep gashes into the Earth with giant machines, using truckloads of industrial solvents like sulfuric acid (resulting in water contamination with toxic sludge) dragging that processed rubble to processing facilities with fleets of heavy machinery then processing the ore with extremely high energy furnaces using another slew of toxic chemicals (which further contaminate the water table, lakes, rivers and ocean elsewhere).
The Boreal Forest and the body of our Mother Earth is being assaulted in northern Ontario and Quebec. Over 217,000 Hectares of forest, lakes and rivers have been purchased by lithium mining corporations that intend to clear cut the forests and set up open pit mines in northern Ontario and Quebec.
Given that will be the cost of the "sustainable development" agenda that Bill McKibben promotes, I would now like to conclude with a quote from The Overstory:
STOP SACRIFICNG VIRGINS
Child labor and deforestation are terrible things but are not prerequisites for lithium mining and Elon Musk is not the only person in the world capable of running an automotive corporation.
We can get what we need from the earth without engaging in outrageous crimes and empowering oligarchs. The question is: will we, if it makes the price go up?
@@kevindole1284 explain to me how you are going to mine lithium without chopping down the forests that grow on top of the hard rock deposits or destroying massive areas of marsh land habitat (as lithium corporations have in Bolivia) ? It is a finite resource and some of the larger deposits here in Canada are under unceded indigenous land, but don’t worry the government is able to use eminent domain to force them off the land if they refuse to sell so we will get what we need to have fun e-vehicles whether they like it or not. The continuity of colonialism continues in the open here. And if all else fails the corporations can do what they did to the Osage nation in the states and solve the problem that way. You are deluding yourself if you think there is such a thing as “clean lithium”. Just as with oil there will be blood on it, indigenous people dispossessed from their land and wars of aggression to corner and control the market.
@@gavinmacmounsey all valid points. Plenty of residual lithium in track water but we really should use sodium ion batteries instead.
@@kevindole1284 I admire the idea but lets talk again when the technology is developed to a point where it can carry enough energy density to offer comparable charge capacities to lithium-ion (or comparable distance capability to a tank of gas). So far, (from what I have seen) those sodium ideas are just that, ideas, perhaps prototypes at best, and not practically applicable alternatives for the existing global transportation industry.
Seems like Bill interrupts a lot and double talks over author.
Bay the way the soil has the most biodiversity of all the planet