"THE DAY OF THE DOCTOR" • DOCTOR WHO 50th ANNIVERSARY • REACTION & REVIEW
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David tennants era is overall by far the best era of Dr who.... matt Smith is a great doctor but suffers from having Moffat as showrunner...
Peter Capaldi waited literally decades for a Doctor Who role, when he asked what his lines were in the 50th anniversary, they told him ''Just look at camera for 2 seconds.''
With those eyebrows could you blame them!
so we know who the eyebrows are now? Ok good! SO FRIGGIN PUMPED!@@WhyOhWhyPhi
So we just don’t care about spoilers now?
@@mehulgupta2221 I think Phil VERY much cares about spoilers, yes. Given his reaction to this comment, he has either already been spoiled, has watched ahead to a degree, or can pick out an actor by seeing half their face. That said, I would always stick to "the rule" and never spoil anything beyond the latest episode uploaded.
@@mehulgupta2221 They recorded these ages ago, so they may have already started Capaldi
Small correction. Billie Piper is playing a different character to Rose in this episode.
The moment took on Rose’s form but is a different entity. It sensed bad wolf from the doctors future timeline but still remains a separate entity.
Yes, I discuss in the review how it took her form, and was the conscience of the device.
Think it may well b the Tarrdis x she talks posh lol ✨🌹
Not sure how you can be angry to see Tennant :o A great episode worthy of a 50th special. Was a great time to be alive in 2013.
Lol, just watch his previous reactions with Tennant, he hated him.
@@blasphemous9693 Yes I know this and I still don't understand it. If you love the show I dunno how you can dislike any of the Doctors honestly. It's Tennant, like come on what a lovely bloke he is.
@@apotey4710Tennant's great, but the 10th Doctor could be pretty annoying. And yes, his regeneration wasn't as dignified as that of other Doctors (and I did not like the way he spoke to Wilf one bit).
Tennant is playing a character. Tennant the man is lovely, Tennant the Tenth Doctor is irritating. I can separate the two. :P
If Tennant upsets you for the 50th episode, you are *really* not going to like the 60th!
😂😂😂
Yes, the War Doctor was regenerating into Eccleston's Ninth Doctor. It's not as clear on screen as it might be, as Christopher Eccleston declined to be involved with the 50th anniversary due to his past bad experience with the BBC as well as for other reasons, so they had to make do with existing footage which limited the production team's options.
I don't believe that Justin's interpretation of events is correct. My understanding of what happened isn't that a new timeline was created by changed actions. What actually happened (as I understand it) was that the Doctor had always misunderstood what had happened. He'd remembered stealing the weapon with the intention of using it, and then his regenerated self came to in a universe in which the Time War had come to an end and (seemingly) there were no more Daleks or Time Lords; his memory was missing from his interaction with is other two selves, so he naturally assumed that he'd killed both races in line with his earlier intention. To me, this is a clever retcon, because it preserves the truth of the Ninth Doctor's survivor's guilt. Nothing has changed except that the truth of what really happened has been revealed to the audience, the Eleventh Doctor, and his companion.
Steven Moffat has said that the writing of this special episode was hugely stressful. It was unclear whether Eccleston could be convinced to be involved (he did actually meet up with Moffat to discuss it), he wasn't sure if fans and indeed the other writers would like the idea of a War Doctor, and he was also having to deal with BBC executives for whom the special was A Big Thing and who therefore were sticking their noses into it all. Also, Matt Smith's existing contract expired with "The Name of the Doctor", so it wasn't even clear whether he could be involved! Yet despite having had to rethink the episode multiple times, the end result works brilliantly in my view.
It doesn't surprise me that the BBC was so nosy with this one, both from a standpoint of them wanting to protect their IP, but also wanting to be too hands on. Which in the entertainment field usually means bad things. But not for this thankfully.
Sounds like Moffat had a lot of unknown variables to balance around. It gives context to a lot of what and why Season 7B was the way it was. But there was no way we could have known that without spoilers :P
Overall I still think Moffat did a bang up job on this one, and did right by the anniversary.
From my understanding they actually changed time when they saved Gallifrey, because before The Doctor did die on Trenzalore, then that future changed.
The 50th is perhaps Moffat's greatest achievement, if not his best episode. Tying all these things together and balancing #10 and #11 is so difficult and he pulls it off. The reason people got on your case about going after doctor #10 is because, as John Hurt illustrates, the show is always self aware. Sometimes I would gently suggest you take things a little too seriously. :-) Also, I love Clara in this episode. She's the heart. Her scene with John Hurt is brilliant.
If you go back to season 1 with Christopher Eccelston there's a scene when he first goes to Rose's apartment where he sees himself in the mirror for the first time. Since the war doctor regenerated into the eccleston character that means episode 1 took place very shortly after the events in the 50th anniversary or he just went a really long time without ever looking in a mirror.
no that's just not true, it's a common piece of fandom misinformation that comes from reading a scene wrong.
the clide scene later in the episode proves there was a decent ammount of time before rose.
the 50th itself calls the war doctor 800 and something. emplying lower down in the 800's. and 9 by rose calls himself 900.
and basically all expanded media agrees there was a signfiicant legnth of time before rose.
commenting on his ears doesn't mean that at all, it was just a reference to the 4th doctor commenting on his nose in Robot. There's far more evidence counting this theory than the 1 joke used to substantiate it. when basically all dr who media disagrees with the idea he was recently regenerated in rose. INCLUDING ROSE.
so why people keep saying it like it's definitive canon when it's about as canon as those "rory was the master" theories from series 5. is beyond me. please stop spreading barely substantiated theories that got disproved by the show like facts...
@@ms.antithesis ...what on earth makes you think that the time came before Rose? Surely it makes much more sense that there was time between him leaving Rose and coming back to her during the episode?
Also, explaining it as "It's a reference" doesn't make any sense in universe. Sure, we might get that. But the Doctor isn't doing a joke for the audience. Sure, that's the Doylist interpretation, and a correct one. But I really don't think the Doctor was just making a joke to himself. The decades of travel between leaving Rose and coming back to her makes more sense to me.
@joshuatooker4581
I literally explained the evidence in the replies
-big finish and the dr who books range believe there's time before rose, intact the entire 9th doctor audio series takes place before rose
-clive showd photos of the doctor without rose over a significant period of adventures spring Rose.
-the 50th calls the war doctor 800, the 9th doctor calls himself 900 in rose
-the doctor shows no signs of post regeneration madness like EVERY OTHER regeneration has had.
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- The only "evidence" that rose is a post regeneration story is that he looks at his ears and comments on them.. which isn't really evidence given
A) the first few episodes of the revival have a lot of dropped plot points. Remember the covers ability to slow down time in end of the world?
B) That in no way confirms the theory that EVERY piece of official media disagrees with.
So many people take that one line as confirmation.. when there's so much confirmation it isn't.
Also the idea it's between the tardis flying off and rose entering.. I don't buy, you don't have 100 years where nothing changes whatsoever off camera. As opposed to the much more reasonable logic thay 100 years had already occurred before rose, as this doctor seems settled into his incarnation already.
it was a joy to see Tom Baker back :)
Awesome, so glad you both enjoyed it. I’m positive that Christopher Eccleson was asked to join the trio adventures but both he and bbc had issues over his mistreatment as the Dr, which is a shame for the time. Also yes, he regenerates and goes straight into finding Rose.
The curator is the 3rd Doctor Tom Baker who was the longest serving Doctor. He also suggests that the Dr can chose his face from a past life.
Actually, Tom is the 4th Doctor
Yeah peter is considered as the 12th doctor but hes technically the 13th incarnation
Maybe bingeing this show is not the right way to see this show. The rest of us had to wait and it was an absolute delight to see this in the cinema packed with fans. We grieved when we needed to, we forgave, we moved on.
idk I binged this show and it was still amazing. I think it's more about Philip's approach and just his general opinions than the fact that they are binge watching the show.
Stay tuned ;)
Yes the next Doctor is referred to as the 12th Doctor but if you’ve been counting regenerations then you’ll figure something out…
I got to watch this this episode in the cinema when it first came out. I watched a 3d screening. Seeing the 3d paintings actually be 3d was really cool.
Someone else has already said this but there were 2 bonus scenes for the cinema screenings. One featured Strax, and the other featured David and Matt. They’re available one youtube if you search for them.
Looking forward to you futures reactions, there’s great stuff coming. ❤
Are you implying you'll react to Classic Who one day when you show the photo of Tom? I'm excited.
mayhaps :)
the zygons made their first appearance in the 70's in a tom baker adventure
Just as a polite ‘FYI’, fellas - regarding your comment about both the Zygons in this story and the Great Intelligence previously as having not realised their potential, both are taken from the original ‘classic’ series and as such those who have watched the old shows have already seen those potentials fulfilled, since in ‘Nu-Who’ we’re actually seeing both from earlier times in their established histories.
Love your Who reactions, btw. The very best ones around are those that take a critical-eyed view at this show, and I always find the two of you very much take this approach, which for me means you live the full experience in a somewhat similar manner to how the programme’s original British audience/fandom did.
Love to you both, I find myself adoring you increasingly with every reaction xxx
I can not fathom anybody being less than ecstatic to see David Tennant in anything, and it should be exponentially higher excitement to see him back as The Doctor. I am flabbergasted.
The next Doctor is my very favorite.
Lmao you mustn’t have seen their previous reactions because I’m surprised Philip didn’t immediately turn it off and retire from reacting as a whole
@@mehulgupta2221 lmaooo, yea that's about right
@mehulgupta2221 the restraint I shows should classify me as a modern day saint :P
I’m glad that you liked the special! I remember watching it as a teenager when it came out 10 years ago. This episode was a great chance for Doctor Who to poke a bit of fun at itself (Tenth Doctor gets kissed a lot, Eleventh flaps his hands about) but also a very nice emotional moment for the whole show. About their ages: the Eleventh Doctor right now is about 1200 years old. The War Doctor is about 800, and the Tenth is a little over 900.
I have a little theory that The Doctor is a lot older than they claim to be, due to inconsistencies in their age. The 7th Doctor claims to be 950 in one of his early stories and is visibly older when he regenerates in the movie, so my theory is that when he became The War Doctor he “reset” his age, meaning that the War Doctor has been in that face for 800 years, which is why he regenerates from old age at the end of the episode.
I've enjoyed watching the reaction with you as you have such a unique perspective, even though my favourite doctor is ten/David Tennant. Somehow you manage to find a way to be critical without being hard to watch, which is so rare. The reason why I love ten so much is yes, nostalgia - he was my doctor but also because he is atypically human. He really experiences the range of the human experience, hubris and whimsy and rage and joy. He allows himself to love, flirt and be fickle and ultimately that's why his time is so tragic because he trys to be something the can't really be. After nine he had Rose and kind of got his mojo back and tried to be swashbuckling because he was clever, he was in love, and the universe says no - this isn't your story. Even the arrogance, or some could say confidence most of the time, is punished when it crosses a line i.e midnight, waters of mars 'time lord victorious'. It's interesting the idea is often circulated of the doctor being born into war, born into a specific circumstance - tenth doctor was born into love - an act of love for Rose and it came to define him.
I get a little emo thinking about it, that he get the shortest life of any doctor after nine and he's almost the doctor that flew close to the sun. He's like I am brilliant and I can be in love and every time he gets thwarted + Tennants performance is beautiful. I think Matt Smith is incredible too, and the next one really is fab also.Honestly the run of 9-12 is kind of perfect. Anyway hope you keep on enjoying!
Thanks for sharing, and even though we may not see eye to eye on Ten, it's great to hear about your perspective, and why you love him so much. Makes total sense :)
Yes, the next one is still called the 12th Doctor. I was going to be all pedantic about it and start calling them by their apparent actual ordering, but then I saw something where Matt Smith was saying how much he enjoyed being the 11th Doctor as he really liked the word 'eleven', so I cut that out. That's a good enough reason to keep the traditional ordering for me. 😀
One of the most fantastic episodes of all time I really enjoy that episode😊
I do love this episode. It bookends the first few years of New Who and celebrates Classic without overdoing it.
For a special about the Time War, we didn't see much war. War-lite. I can't believe it's not War. War Zero.
My favourite two reactors and the anticipation for you this event was worth it. I mean this was a huge event at the time and this episode was played in movie theatres and simultaneously transmitted in various countries in the world. Everything that year on the BBC was Doctor Who from episodes of the weakest link to the BBC ident logos etc. Just to say Philip is and has been absolutely correct with how tenant’s portrayal has been problematic at times for some. In fact the war doctor was a device to show a classic doctors view of the new show ? “Are you having a midlife crisis?” “ Why are you speaking like children ?” …. Because the classic show didn’t have any of the crying and kissing. Glad you liked it and I have a feeling that the next Doctor will be your Doctor. He’s what you’ve both been waiting for.
I grow more fond of this story very time I see it. Several points - marrying the Queen of England would not make the Doctor King (the reason why Prince Philip was not a king), and Queen Elizabeth I, as Head of the Church of England, would know that weddings are not legal (until about 10 years ago) if held in the open air. Wedding were only legal if held inside a consecrated building. The worst thing about both points is that people believe them because it happened in Doctor Who.
That's not actually true about marriages in England in the medieval and early modern periods. Although its focus is on the two centuries following the Restoration, Lawrence Stone's "Uncertain Unions and Broken Lives" provides some fascinating insight into the theory and practice of marriage in England before legislative reform began to give us the system we're familiar with today. "It is not too much to say that the marriage law as it operated in practice in England from the fourteenth to the nineteenth century was a mess. [...] The church was satisfied by a mere verbal contract, if properly witnessed, [...]. The church also took the position that any ceremony performed between two persons of almost any age, and taking place anywhere and at any time, if performed by an ordained clergyman was legally valid, [...]."
Never seen someone so disappointed to see David Tennant before. Can't wait till you're all caught up and can see your reaction to the 60th specials...Just 10 years worth of episodes to go!
No idea how one can be angry to see him. Would be buzzing to see any doctor return.
Did you watch their previous reactions? Philip didn't get on with Tennant's Doctor at all.
10 and Rose is my least favourite TARDIS team; up until the point they have reached anyway. Saying more would be (near term) spoilers. For some of the same reason, albeit with a different slant. Not that I despise Tenant's Doctor or was disappointed by him turning up in the 50th.
Maybe Six/Mel matches. Six/Peri was saved by Big Finish.
@apotey4710 Yes I get it, you love all the Doctor's. Especially Ten. The fact you have no idea how people can react to something different than yourself is troublesome.
I'm so glad you really enjoyed this special. I did think you both would, as even with Tennant and Tyler returning, Tyler isn't Rose and Tennant is at his best with the romance stuff being quite tongue in cheek (forgive the crap pun). The direction, scale, acting and writing are superb. I have a lot of issues with series 7, but this is among the best from Moffat. I hope you enjoy the rest of what this series has to give, too!
The chills i get when Capaldi showed up ahhhh
This episode is such a feel good watch for me, makes me giddy and just happy
I'm so excited that you're gonna meet 12 soon!
This episode has so many amazing quotes, one of my favs is when Clara stops the Doctor from pressing the button and we see Gallifrey and how she reminds him he's a Doctor.
Also, The War Doctor's "time i grew up" line 😢
The bad wolf consciousness also had amazing lines: "the man who regrets (10) and the man who forgets (11)" is such a perfect way to put it and does explain their different personality types and different coping mechanisms.
Chills all the way through
I have a sneaky feeling you're going to like the 12th Doctor.
I hope they do like 12 for me he's the best I saw S1 E1 in 1963 have seen the other dr,s when first broadcast but never got into it till 9th and I still can't go back to classic.era regards dave
he is my favourite NuWho Doctor by quite a distance, I think they will like Capaldi a lot.@@davidmills2477
12:37 the Attack Eyebrows 😆
i think the great intelligence is the third longest running who villain after the daleks and cybermen
The Macra showed up 6 months earlier (the crabs from Gridlock).
Glad to see you enjoyed the episode even with Ten and Bad Wolf. I think this might be the only reaction on TH-cam where someone's not cheering when Ten shows up XD The thing I enjoy the most about this episode is the interactions between the 3 Doctors, pretty fun. Plus I always like seeing John Hurt in anything. And yes, that preview of the next Doctor is very exciting, even more for me, cause I want 11 to be gone!!!!!!
Gotta represent that 1% that doesn't like Ten :P
Lol, I said the same thing about 10. He said “ I don’t want to go,” and I’m saying please go already. That last trek through the snow was a little much, even for RTD. Tbf, the 1st time I saw it, I cried like a baby, and I do still like the 10th Doctor. But man after 4 specials, a whirlwind tour of every former companion , enough already. My apologies to all 10th Doctor fans. Losing your Doctor sucks no matter what anyone else says.
@@WhyOhWhyPhi I guess that makes me the 0,0001 who don't like 11 =D
we apologise for any inconvenience . we like to introduce the day of the blonde nightmare but not really and the Revenge of Mr Romeo doctor . 😂😂
the horror!
Good editing Phil. I’m going to write a long comment, warning in advance. No worries if you’d rather not read it. About calling themselves out, Moffat took things people were complaining about and incorporated it in. For example, people have complained for ages that the sonic screwdriver is used too much. So the War Doctor says “Oh the screwdrivers again! What are you going to do, assemble a cabinet at them? “
Lol, if you get a chance, you should watch Sesskasays reaction of Day of the Doctor. Her fav Doctor is 11. She doesn’t hate the 10th Doctor like you do, but….
Im so glad you appreciate the history of the show. Moffat didn’t want David’s last words on screen to change so he made that last line “I don’t want to go”
I rewatch this a lot. No need to apologise for loving Amy and Rory. 11 is my Doctor, but 12 is in my top 5. It took me a little over half a season to appreciate him, but he’s terrific. The 4th Doctor is my fav Classic Doctor so that last scene between the two of them was my nirvana.
So, glad you enjoyed it!
Capaldi is the Twelfth Doctor.
Hurt doesn’t count. He was a War Doctor. And only appeared in this one episode.
So back in 2013, they showed this at the cinema in 3D the same time as it was broadcast on BBC.
Personally, I've never found this fully satisfying.
A small note as you looked a bit confused by Elizabeth's "weak and feeble woman" line. That wasn't the show being weird, but a supposed quote from the speech she gave when the Spanish were about to try and invade England. It's a famous line here, but I would guess probably less so in the US.
Ah okay, that makes much more sense.
Rose: *Appears*
Phillip: *Vietnam flashbacks intensify!*
Haha, see Jeck gets it :)
It is admittedly confusing to reconcile the official designations of each Doctor with their regenerations. The next episode will actually explain it. However, to answer your question, as of where you are right now, the 12th Doctor is the 13th regeneration of the character.
14:00 The Curator was played by Tom Baker (The 4rth Doctor).
15:00 Yes because the War Doctor is not considered a Doctor Who.
Doctors 1-8,
then the War Doctor,
then 9-12 (ending at Capaldi)
Really glad you enjoyed this episode it was fantastic. Smith, Tennant and Hurt all did fantastic in their roles and made the 50th amazing. The time war arc being the main theme of the episiode was awwesome and seeing what it was great to see what it was actually like.
To answer some of the questions:
- Yes that is the 12th not the 13th.
- Yep, Hurt regenerated into Eccleston
Great reaction guys! I loved the interaction between the different versions of Doctor, think it was very well done. I'm very curious to see your first impressions/reaction to the next doctor version, once we get there.
This entire episode was filmed in 3D (though only those of us who saw it at the cinema had the benefit of that). I could make a joke about that adding a whole new dimension to the story but, in more ways than one, it really did. :)
Bro definitely could play the villain for the 60th based on his thoughts from a certain character
I'd like to see your reaction to "Galifrey Stands" the fan made video of the All the Doctors and Tardises moment with more focus on the other Doctors :)
th-cam.com/video/EtM_vcCoKYc/w-d-xo.html
It's a great edit, but it contains spoilers for the future so not a good idea right now.
I literally paid to see this reaction early and it was so worth it
yay! Thanks for your support, and glad you enjoyed it! :)
Only Peter Capaldi could steal an entire scene with only his eyes.
Marrying a queen regnant ( a woman who inherits a throne) does not make you a king - ask Prince Philip, Prince Albert, and all the other husbands of queens regnant there have been in Europe throughout history. A woman marrying a king becomes a queen consort (as in Queen Camilla) not a queen regnant (as in Queen Elizabeth II). Also marriage in the open air was illegal in the UK until last year, so the Doctor is not married to Elizabeth I.
Isn't it wild to think about the war doctor regenerating into Eccleston and swanning off to 2000s earth to deal with intelligent plastic, then bumping into a blonde girl that he doesn't remember...but there's something so familiar about...
except rose isn't a post regen story, that's misinformation that people keep spreading because the doctor makes 1 comment about his face that people misinterpreted as him saying he'd never seen his face before. even tho the episode itself later goes on, through the clive scene, to establish that the incarnation has already been around for a while before rose.
@@ms.antithesisumm...I never said he IMMEDIATELY went into s1e1 after regen....itchy on that trigger finger, there. Clearly a point of contention close to your heart. It's gonna be okay, I promise. I think it's safe to say S1E1 is early on in 9's regen cycle, though. Big finish has confirmed as much. On a similar note...have you read RTD's Rose Prequel? It's a masterful bit of writing....I love how he's able to give the time war and everything that happened such an air of mystery. He gives you just enough to make your mind start reeling with ideas and explanations. I always loved that about his Who writing....sure there were things I didn't like...but he always got a big gold star for that in my books.
@@ms.antithesis I had forgotten about his whole 'mirror inspection' he gives himself there at the Powell Estate....that is such a weird little monologue for someone who should have seen their face by that point....maybe he hadn't slowed down long enough to take a look, I guess :D ..or was just afraid to look himself in the eye
@joshuathompson2404 oh sorry, fair enough, just a LOT of people spread that idea to new fans and the way you phrased it made it sound like you where too.
The Curator wasn't just "a" previous Doctor, he was THE previous Doctor, the one who played the Doctor for the longest out of anybody who's played the role (on-screen, anyway). Tom Baker, the Fourth Doctor, who played the role from Season 12 to Season 18 (more than 6 years!). Tom is consistently THE Doctor for most older fans of the show, so the idea that the Doctor would "revisit a few faces" by the time he retires was a way of nodding to those older fans.
"The curator" was played by Tom Baker, the fourth Doctor. The one classic you would have seen in non-Who media, all teeth and curls (and scarf). Classic Who fans didn't even need to see him, his is a distinctive voice.
Whether The Curator was actually a Doctor or not is left ambiguous in the episode. We are clearly supposed to believe that Doctors can revert to aged versions of their past selves and he is somehow a future Doctor. But its not explicit and things are left open. Moffatt has stated the intent at conventions, but convention talk and eventual canon may not match.
I love Tennant so always happy to see him and I loved that Billie was The Moment and not Rose. It was a far better use of her..
This is one of my favorite episodes.
Never apologize for your speech issues. My speech therapist will tell you to just be you, also to speak deliberately.
Poor Alexa 😂
Thank you so much for not looking at intro credits
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I'm used to people preferring Smith, I know as I'm one of them. But I'm very unfamiliar with people hating 10ant.
Yup. Love Tennant as an actor, don't like how 10 was written.
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Glad you enjoyed this 50th anniversary episode! Back in 1973, the Doctor Who production team celebrated 10 years of Doctor Who by commissioning a multi Doctor story, which was called The Three Doctors. It starred the then current Doctor No. 3 (Jon Pertwee) and dealt with the Time Lords having to face off against a cataclysmic event that could destroy them, and required them to bring the two previous Doctors (William Hartnell and Patrick Troughton), out of their respective time streams to help the current Doctor defeat their enemy. In 1983, to celebrate Doctor Who’s 20th anniversary, a story called The Five Doctors was commissioned, and followed a similar format.
Personally, I never liked the idea of the War Doctor. Sure, John Hurt was a big named star, but I think it would have been more fitting had Moffat brought back the 8th Doctor, Paul McGann (who had been so short changed as the Doctor previously), and used him as the War Doctor, which wouldn’t then have disrupted the continuity when NuWho started, with the 9th Doctor already suffering from what his predecessor did, when we see him in ‘Rose!’
Husband of the Queen isn't the King. Consider Prince Philip…
So why do you hate the 10th doctor? As far as I know he’s probably the most popular doctor in the revival series. With 11 being a close second.
ooh i didn't expect this today. ok as i've been doing.. a lot recently on your vids (apologies if it's annoying you're just one of the few reaction channels i feel genuinely engages with the content) i'll type up a few thoughts.
first off, although name of the doctor is basically bad DUE to the production focus of so much of s7b being on this story, it's still an amazing story in it's own right, imo the start of a MAJOR improvement from what came before.
- yeah they never fucking explain how the name of the doctor's conclusion gets solved, that's fucking annoyinh, but this story is actualkly meant to take place 2 or 3 years after series 7b. hence her being a teacher now, and seemingly having a whole different life in the opening, and also her aesthetic changes slightly to look older imo. clara is meant to be 24 in s7 and i think this in this she's meant to be 27.
-2013 was the peak of when all the tenrose fans (who hated clara even more than rose, even though.. clara just isn't AS annoying) where just about to leave the fandom so this really peaked their intrest lol.
-the war doctor is easily the best thing in this story, including all the moments i loved from it.
-so many scenes in this story that feel like moffat truly remembering how to write emotional wieght.
-the i dont wanna go is so on the nose
-that's tom baker, the 4th doctor, as the curator if you couldn't tell.
-he's still considered the 12th. technically counting war AND metacrisis 10 he'd be 14. but the numbers go by how many actors have been the main doctor in the role not by technical incarnation numbers. and jon hurt was the doctor alongside 11 so he's not REALLY a mainline incarnation. even if he's loved enough to be describes as one. but yes, the next doctor is 12.
-they announced the actor to play 12 as part of the 50th anniversary celebrations
-this is some of billie piper's best acting ngl.
-the zygons where a big popular clasic who moster not yet retyurned so an anniversy was perfect for that
-timelord art is a concept taken from the 4th doctor story city of death, where it's only mentioned offhand. great story
- a lot of ppl fidn the bad wolf line in perticular quite cringy
-the timewar is described to make an unmake planet's histories in seconds and as far aback as s1 we see that it has wide reaching ramifications. but yeah they did not show the timewar nearly well enough.
-the implication isn't that it's undone, atrleast to me, it was that the doctor didn't have a full picture of what was done.
- i think the alt timeline take is intresting but not entirely accurate. they took care to make the retcon fit in with the events of the 50th as we heard them. and since doctors tend to not remember multi doctor stories, except the last incarnation present, who's the only one to remember it, which is.. something established as far back as classic who lol. so these events happeneed the war doctor only remembers goign to bloqw up galifrey, and then it's hazy, and then BOOM. it's gone. so he assumes he went through with it as galifrey chills in a frozen bubble universe.
-the endign scene is great but also, very obviously just ppl in wigs until it swaps around an dthere's some BAD face replacement work. and also like.. they got cosplayers dressed up to play these doctors for the back shot, but then the front shot is entire ly static.. like, the face replacement is already bad, atleast have them sway a bit nobody's convinced.
overall a great story imo that's the start of my favoruite period of the show personally, hope you enjoy.
Thanks for all the info! I didn't think Bad Wolf was cringe mainly b/c it was the ONE thing I liked that they had the BN do from her run :P
It's the 13th regeneration and the 12th Doctor because the War Doctor isn't a regeneration he counts as the Doctor. I'm so happy you liked it. I thought you might. I will say, of the last 5 Doctors (War Doctor, 9th Doctor, 10th Doctor, 11th Doctor, and 12th Doctor), I think Tennant's Doctor is the weakest for me. The Curator (old man) at the end was the guy who played the 4th Doctor. Whe was second to the left when all all the Doctors are standing together. I say more than that so I don't spoil anything. What did you think of Clara in this episode? Specifically, how she spoke to the Doctor at the end about killing his own people? Do you think there's potential there with another Doctor and a new dynamic or no?
I don't know how I feel about Clara in this one even with some time to look back. I think there's always potential, and am willing to give something like that a fair shot.
@@FROSTIIFYY There's no right way to like the show.
@@FROSTIIFYY I could say the same about picking appart reactions to the show if you don't like how they're reacting to it. Just don't watch these reactions. I personally find value in the viewpoints these gentlemen have shared. They give me a new perspective on the show (whether I agree or not); and I look forward to the reactions.
@@phoenixfire124 Yeh, you have a point there admittedly. Was just having a bad morning, apologies!
@@FROSTIIFYY we all have our days. Hope yours gets better.
Awwww, poor Justin! 😂 I’m surprised the Dalek screaming didn’t wake him up!
Also! 13th regeneration but 12th Doctor. The War Doctor doesn’t consider himself The Doctor.
Technically there are a few regenerations that are Doctors but not Doctors.
The Watcher, The Valeyard, The War Doctor and [Redacted due to spoilers].
Glad you enjoyed the episode and I hope you are both happy and settled in your new home.
He looks so skinny, like a special effect 😆
I wouldn't dwell on the Doctors age, he lies, he was 900 when he was #6 so?
And also 10 says he's 945 yrs old in the voyage of the damned
@@ConnieBoo20 He actually said he's 903 in that episode.
Maybe the Time War had a similar effect to the very first regeneration, when the writers' thinking seems to have been that the Doctor became younger (not just in appearance). 😀
@@andrewgwilliam4831 you're right! 😂 I was confused on why I thought it was 945 Yr old then I remembered Catherine Tates 'Lauren cooper' sketch that she says he's 945. Feel silly now 😂
@@ConnieBoo20 he doesn't say that.
usually the way i think about it, is the doctor's exact age, from new who onwards is kind a lie, but the time between events isn't.
so the war doctor calling themselves 800 and the 9th doctor calling themselves 900, yeah 100 years passed between day of the doctor and rose. i can believe that. but the fact 7 called himself 950, and then 9, thoeretically a wholeass 2 incarnations and a timewar later. calls himself 900. nah, i think he forget his age at some point with all the timewar shenanigans.
Take my advice don't focus so much on the lore or canon or continuity whatever you want to call it when it comes to "Doctor Who" there is really no point to it there hasnt been any consistency since it started back in 1963 i would just let that go because if you focus to hard on it it becomes less enjoyable and it just all falls apart.
Man Frost, you did NOT like us much did you? LOL
Fair play, see ya in the next one.
@@WhyOhWhyPhi I have evidently been a bit of a dramatic here. I do sincerely apologise. Comments removed. Each reactor has their own style. I should be more mindful sometimes. Hope your day is a good one and thanks for all the good energy you put out there. Genuinely. Have a great day both x
Most still call 12 12, there is a small pedantic contingent that absolutely refuses...but by and large the 'war doctor' doesn't really get numbered.
For me, i was slightly disappointed with the 50th special, it was just ok.... however the 50th year as a whole was outstanding with tons of dr who stuff all over the tv......
I bet! We had to fit 30 something things into Season 7. It was a lot, but must have been a ton of fun happening in real time.
Oof, I wonder how many thumbs down this one got.
All of them.
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You’re not cool for hating Tennant. The guy is universally recognised as the greatest Doctor of all time next to Tom Baker. Probably a Smith fanboy, who was an average Doctor at best.
Okay.
It’s an opinion, get over it.
Angry at Tennant appearing! Stopped watching!
okay!