What if Alexander the Great lived in 1936?
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A guide for HoI4 Battle for the Bosporus as Greece now with up to 200% more debt!
Following the steps laid out in this guide will help you to restore for the Macedonian Empire and restore the dread of Alexander the Great!
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Congratulations on getting it done! This is by no means an easy challenge, even following my guide :) It really requires a lot of attention to detail, micro skill and resilience to not give up after the AI does stupid things like random guarantees that shouldn't happen. A few things I'd like to discuss about the video:
2:21 - Quality of ships DOES matter, a good battleship could provide 4 or 5 times more naval supremacy than a basic sub. The reason for going for sub 1 is that they are way more cost efficient, as they provide more naval supremacy per IC, I explain this in further detail in my video :)
I think joining the Axis to invade UK is an interesting an idea, but a very risky one at that. Yes, it does allow you to skip the war against Spain, but at the cost of relying a bit too much in the AI, since the North Sea tends to be more guarded than the Western Approaches and you rely on the German navy not being obliterated and helping you out, and also, it gives Italy the option to be free of your chains and go wild in Africa, creating a lot more warscore and risking your options of getting the territories you need in the peace deal since they also occupy it. But then again it might be that I have been screwed one too many times by the AI to place any reliance on it :D
And finally, about the Yugo peace deal, I wholeheartedly recommend to not leave any form of Yugo or Serbia alive and being your puppet unless of course you are completely commited to follow the Axis strategy and stay with them for the rest of the game. Germany WILL declare on you because of this, every single time, given the opportunity. It's better to just annex them, you won't hurt your manpower on resistance because as soon as you get Romania and puppet them, you can get garrison support and they'll give you enough to not use any of your own. Also, nicer borders :)
Great video!
I like the time and effort you put into this game, I would love to reply with your kind of detail and cleverness, but I can’t, I just hope I meet you on multiplayer one day so that I can cry myself to sleep while your greece kills my germany
what happened to all of your videos?
@@strke5972 I was just wondering that myself.
@@manaintolerantmage TH-cam probably privated them or he removed them for copyright reasons.
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A reminder: Alexander the Great conquered all this in only 12 years, and this was before modern transportation (Obviously).
what a chad
Alexander the Great researched CAS I'm sure of it
He had air superiority
he had hella submarines
He made 14/4s while the rest had 7/2
23:00
Royal navy: Hey what are doing in our waters?
Greek Destroyers: We're laying mines
Royal navy: ...why?
Greek Destroyers: because we're at war with Bulgaria
Royal navy: understandable have a great day
I agree it makes total sense
I mean Bulgaria does have a coast. A Naval invasion, while incredibly unlikly to happen, COULD happen
@hi_4۴I_am_depressed
"Improve opinion with the Soviets"
>Clicks on justify war goal
Stalin knows what I really meant
@@Bitt3rSteel that would be a hilarious diplomatic crisis.
Was literally about to comment that lol
@@toddhoward3846 "Sir the Greeks are justifying war"
"Why?"
"Let me ask them"
"They said they meant to improve relations not justify war"
Orks only understand strength.
The *most* disappointing part about naval invading hull in all of the UK invasion is not one time I’ve seen a joke about breaching the hull, it makes so much sense but I’ve never heard one
Love it, because bittersteel feels like it requires the most skill because he doesn’t do crazy cheats or exploits and is efficient while doing it
Agreed. I used to watch taureor but seeing order 66 for the hundredth time is lame although I do understand some challenges require it to be possible, cheesing the game mechanics makes the whole challenge kinda boring
And its not that he doesn't know them. In his recent germany/ eu video he went all-in with exploits ;-)
All for the cause of Democracy, of course
@@lamowkachow4597 yeah i LOVE Taureor and using order 66 is cool and fun but i hate when he does It almost every single time
@@luk-128 what’s order 66?
37:09 "We are immediately going to improve opinion with soviets" *presses justify war goal*
I didn't even realize that 😂
Finally someoene covers this everyone else just does byzantium and the ottoman empire
Big props to @Spaniard tho. He is the real mastermind
They’re the fun ones
This was so forgotten path that I recreate it on my own and now I see that my suffer was unnecessary
@@Bitt3rSteel hatlespider did it first
Maybe, but I haven't seen it. I owe a lot to Spaniard
Came not at the call of the bell, but at the call of my heart
That's deep, yo
13:40
The new DLC is just broken, if you do the investment options as Turkey most of the time the "AI" doesn't respond or you get the event months or even years later. Especially Turkey's focus tree has a lot of events where the AI has to respond and just doesn't want to do it haha
So even the AI hates the Turks?
The only Greek investment that always works is the Trade Ship Parts with the British one, they almost always say yes.
@@rps215 I'm a bit late for this one but they often respond to most of the "Buy X from the British" decisions. At least for me they've responded 'Yes' almost every time except for the Tanks one but I only did that one twice, I usually just buy guns from them.
@@robertalaverdov8147 cope
@@robertalaverdov8147 no your just racist
Fun fact: this formable is literally just the Persia one, except you have cores on Greece because you already start with them
i mean...Alexander the great just conquered persia... persia and also greece was what his empire was
@@quuirrel19_-sz9pjYes but the Persian Empire was actually slightly larger than his because the Persians ventured further into Central Asia while Alexander was more focused on going to India
@@awonisgreat9708No.. Alexander conquered ALL the persian territories and didn’t go to war with anyone else, so he was basically just the persian empire on top of the greece he already had from Phillip 2
Bitter, you make me suffer so much. Because of you, instead of playing majors on the beginning (100h in game?), I play minors to watch the world burn and tear apart all these pesky commies and painters with moustaches.
Great respect to you from Polandball for top-quality content.
POLAND CAN INTO SPACE!
Im a commie😐
@@surda2870 I am from Poland. We basically have all reasons in the world to hate commies
@@DShazin well im from serbia former yugoslavia witch under tito was the Best communist country
@@DShazin nice to see a fellow slav
@@surda2870 now it makes sense. I understand why you are commie. Well... Tito made Balkans powerful.
I saw greece and I tapped the notification at light speed
th-cam.com/video/CbCls4c4_dc/w-d-xo.html hehe
Name checks out
As a Chinese is happy to see that the Grace finally take back Constantinople!We hate the Turks for blocking our aircraft carrier (today Liaoning aircraft carrier）purchased from Ukraine for years from go through the bosporus strait.
@@davidchan3238 what happened in 1989 in T1an3Nman 5qVar3?
@@nonautemrexchristus5637 I don’t know it’s way before my time I was born in 1999 But my relative that’s living in Beijing say that they hear gun shot In Tiananmen square during that time but didn’t see what actually happened so unless my government declassified relevant file recorded the event before then we will never know
Wow, originallity in HOI4? Now, I've seen it all.
19:03 there is also option that leads to "Spazio Vitae" (Italy creates faction and greece instantly joins)
I like the description lol
“Now with up to 200% more debt!”
>slaps the roof the Peloponnese
"This baby can fit more debt than you'd believe!"
_Laughs in Argentinian economy_
Greece reformed the South American empire, as far as debts talks lol
Commenting again for the algorithm because this channel is underappreciated.
th-cam.com/video/CbCls4c4_dc/w-d-xo.html XDDD
ok same
@@polskibambolino5860 th-cam.com/video/xfr64zoBTAQ/w-d-xo.html XDDD
Same here. 😎👍
Btw i tried this once in my runs but even if you go for the Metaxism focuses and you change to Mercouris, you lose those good bonuses too, so you aren't really sacrificing those great bonuses for time's sake.
Ah, good to know!
After Greece, I have a real challenge for you. Their archnemesis for thousand of years. The persian Empire, but with a twist ! You got to stay non aligned, to keep the Pahlavi dynasty in power ! :D
Even worse… Afghanistan.
@@AlphiumProductions with afghanistan I manage to take iran quite easily, just let iranian troop enter your territory in the obvious trap you made, and use your weird tank unit to break through. Ofc after taking Iran, deletze the tank unit, you don't have enough production to keep it strong
I like how they make you earn it, like Alexander did. With superior soldiers and tactics, from little Greece to big Empire.
Although, I'd like to be able to grow it little by little like the bizantines, because you are very limited in manpower.
Yeah, the manpower is the biggest challenge.
How are you just at 18k? You're one of the best hoi4 channels on TH-cam. Great video my man. Hopefully adding a comment, gets your channel into the algorithm
As a Greek seeing this vid i found it hilarious....it's pure madness....i just imagine a Drunk Greek suddenly appearing before Hitler saying: 'Listen this is what we are going to do... ' +1 from and a sub keep up the good work!
Your guides are all the rage in some hoi4 Facebook groups! Love your content, your knowledge and enthusiasm!
Wow, thanks!
congrats bro, thank you for covering the Macedonian empire not much people know about it and it sure of an challenge! I watch every moment with baited breath and I will be trying out more greece(Pain) on my own in HOi4
I followed along and got to justifying on Yugo, and just at the end Italy started justifying as well and the U.K. guaranteed them, so I called it quits since I'm definitely not skilled enough yet to take them on like you. I finished the video though because I absolutely wanted to see what would happen and besides Spaniard, I haven't heard of anyone making any content on how to achieve this. Thank you and congrats on actually pulling this off!
Amazing job with this grand revival of an empire. I never would have thought of that Yugoslavian and Romanian war to ever work out tbh.
Honestly, I think this also highlights another thing that I wish the devs would improve upon a bit more, and it's that the coring of these territories should be done at intervals rather than all at once. Imagine how much less of a pain it all would be if you could core even just Bulgaria or a bit of Turkey after defeating them. There are a few other formables like this that are just so demanding for even less rewards so you hardly see anyone form them at all.
I didn’t even know this formable nation existed until your video. I will have to give it a try!
Very concise, you get straight to the point and add some jokes here and there! Great video as always
Does it bother anyone else that he didn't capture Cyprus?
Please make updated run for this in by blood alone. Will love you forever lol
Looks like my new personal challenge, your Bearer of Artillery Strat seriously helped my Poland game but I'm not feeling too confident about this one.
Where my greek brethren at? 🇬🇷😌🇬🇷
ΕΔΏ!!! 🇬🇷💪🏼
Macedonia, ottoman, byzantine border is just work of art, they are really nice
I usually don't watch long gaming videos but i like your style of playing good job
If I saw correctly, the Macedonian flag in the thumbnail is a bit wrong, it should be blue and the yellow sun
Greek Macedonia is blue... The red flagin the thumbnail is an illegal flag (outlawed by EU) that flew by FYROM.
I’m Greek and I don’t give a shit about the Color.
@@KaiokenRushfinally, a guy with sense about macedonia
@@BlueisJay yeah besides the Macedonian Empire didn’t use a flag
Hey B1tter, I just reached 1.1k hours and Greece and Portugal are my favorite nations and I was just wondering if you'd think this is easier or harder on Non-Historic? I usually play Non-Historic so playing historic is a little odd to play for me.
The issue is that unhistorical is very unpredictable
This is an amazing grind! Love the video!
Thank you! I’ve had quite some trouble with this one.
Every time i hear the Greek units talk i get the urge to play Age of Mythology
I don’t know if you ever thought about it but personally I’d like to see some guides on states redux mode formables, up to the community but it would be helpful if you’d be done, thank you!!
the true Macedonian Empire flag is blue not red, the red one is from the North Slavic macedonia that stole the history of Bulgaria and Greece plus they stole Bulgaria's culture
they didn't steal our culture, they are literally us
Every culture is stolen
If you haven't already, do "Once more, mate" (As Australia, occupy Gallipoli) along with any other commensurate Australian achievements.
Really enjoying the content!
You just do the Australia-Hungary achivement (There are guides for it). Then paradrop from Budapest to Edirne and done. After that you just afk and research atomic bombs then attack the allies and wait for a naval invasion then drop the bomb.
First time I’ve even seen this mentioned on TH-cam, didn’t know it existed until I was scrolling through formable nations for a game idea, Crush the dream achievement next?
Great piece of work!!. I can imagine that was tough game. Well done
I remember you making a poll before this, but I kind of find it funny how you and Spaniard are making the same stuff at the same time.
32:28 that island is called Chios. I know, the game says Samos, but it's wrong. Samos is the island to the Southeast of Chios. Not to the West of Turkey's Cesme peninsula but to the South of it.
Well, now I know. Thanks!
@@Bitt3rSteel Yeah, no problem! The video was great by the way. I just thought that if I made this more well known, maybe the devs would also notice it at some point and correct the island's name.
I didnt even know you could form the macedonian empire in hoi4
I guess im dum
You can also get it through the left side via Monarchy, but I think it is harder
@@rps215 king george is cringe tho
Saw the message on discord, finally the video is up!
How about u try forming Arabia.
And be at peace at the end.
U would have to fight the allies and the axis, with baiscly no manpower and no industry.
Seems like a good challenge to me. ;)
This is a Hoi4 guide, not medieval torture
@@FreaKCSGOHacker based
So forming Arabia is medieval torture? Are you arabophobic?
even tho i am greek and both the macedonian and the byzantine empires are greek , i for some reason feel way more patriotic abou the byzantine empire
Maybe because Easter Roman Empire is closer to our timeline.
Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism - how passionately I hate them! - Albert Einstein, I don't think being patriotic is good
Hi! I have a question about some of your unit strategy, as I have watched a lot of your videos (probably 30+) but am still unable to reproduce your strategies without following your exact steps. Mainly my questions are about:
How do you decide what kind of template you make? I see sometimes you make anti tank, anti air, artillery, but why do you make this and why a specific amount? Sometimes Line AA, only support AA, I don't really understand.
Same thing with Fighter and CAS. How do you know how many fighters to make and if your fighter are doing well? And CAS how do you know when you have enough?
Also Navy and submarines, I understand about naval supremacy for invasion, but what about having enough Sub for convoy raiding? I don't really understand. How can you tell you have enough subs?
So in other words, where/how do you evaluate if your unit is doing well, and why it's doing well/not good enough? I haven't really seen this in your video apart from general advise of "2 factory of fighters for air superiority". I am eager to learn more!
Difficult to explain in detail. For equipment, I try to have a general strategy before I go in. Then produce stuff that inknownipl need: when playing a small nation, make support AA in preparation for fighting majors. You won't dominate the air anyway and this will protect your units. When fighting other small nations, a few fighters and CAS can go a long way, since will be able to get green air in those scenarios.
For artillery, you'll always need a lot, and I keep producing it as much as I can, depending on how my stockpile looks. Same for other equipment: look at stockpiles and try to figure out of the war is going to cost you a lot more or if you are comfortable with current supply. Then adjust as you go.
“I hope you’ve enjoyed my suffering”
One question: Would you be able to retain the modifiers of Mataxism you get in the focus tree if you were fortunate enough to get Turkey going ottoman (as I play some games non historical).
Excellent video and an epic campaign! I followed Spaniards method and went through Spain to get to the UK. It had the advantage of luring a lot more british troops to africa to guard their borders with italy. That UK invasion looked tough!
Spain is also a good path! Spaniard really knows his stuff. I decided to experiment since i've gotten lucky with invading Hull before
One time I was trying to do the Northern Light achievement and I was 10 days away from declaring on Finnland when they got guaranteed by the allies the whole run killed !
Nah now I need porus defence victory video
Alexander The Great too this in 12 years, rome took half of this in 200 years.
I would recommend Kaiserredux AOG - You can crown Wilhelm as Emperor of China and have a German Dragon Throne. You Can Also Get Him on the Throne of Middleafrika but thats not as much of a challenge and is less fun so...
Either that or the Mongol Empire is quite fun, you get insane cavalry bonuses (I'm talking like an extra 100% attack and massive speed bonuses) and its also quite fun, though the small industry at the start and the Russian war are quite hard, but definitely rewarding.
I have no idea about this game but It's nice seeing my country doing well...normally it doesn't go well
A day before day of independence
Ah another Bittersteel video , love it.
Greece did have naval superiority in the Aegean, and still has.
BCS Turkiye let's them
I absolutely didn't expect to watch all 72 minutes of this. Beautiful stuff. Still hate you for not taking Yugo whole though. Tsk tsk.
Man I lose to germany as usa and you are conquering the world as minor nation, YOU RE a GOD OF THIS GAME !
FYI...I have noticed that if I delay assigning a research until I bank the 30 days I get a reduced penalty for ahead of time research penalties....you should look into that (more than 30 days ticks off the time to complete when you wait)
I just watched you do this, and I still don't know how you did this.
Oh, this was tough nut to crack. Great job! I had to try for this like 10 times. Your guide is much easier way to get it :-). Will you think about my challenge?Trying to unify POland-Lithuania as Lithuania? I tried it few times and it went terribly. I bet, that brain of yours could find a way :-).
Ah, the good old bathtubs. The go-to for anyone who doesn’t understand HoI4’s naval mechanics, such as myself.
Makedonian empire was Greek
greek cope.
I am impressed, that you can pronounce Schachtplan almost correctly (for a non german native, that is impressive)
Day 1: Minor country with focus tree(rom, Bul, china,spain, etc. ) no submarine and level 2 surface ships only CHALLANGE.
-must conquer Japan, SUA, Britain
-NO SUBMARINES ALOOWED AND NO MORE THAN 600 TORP BOMBERS
-can focus on ground but must have at least 5 ships be build in prod.
-by 1941-40 must have 1BB-2BC, 4-2 H. Cruiser 20-CL 30DD(half must have anti-sub tech)
Well, the way in which you managed to gey rid of the guarantees (especially the ones referred to Turkey) is really admirable!
Thanks for your guide
hey, i am korean so i cant speak or listen to english but i own you a lot thank you i like you
Maybe forming Polynesia as Hawaii or New Zealand would be a good challenge?
Pretty good content. You deserve way more subscribers.
Thanks!
1:00:21
Another good pick is the Prince of Terror for extra non core manpower
What a hellish campaign for Hellas!
37:09 Improve opinion with the Soviets -> goes into justify wargoal interface. Nice
How even this video almost goes to 1 mil view, its just wonderful
The traditional music and the national anthem on the background's fire 🔥
Great video !
praying someday we can have the Golden run of this goal vut with with super focus ideas saved
I have tried this repeatedly with no luck. Something always goes off the rails. Manpower is a big problem! Have you considered a video breaking down your micro combat skills? I’m always losing too many men.
How have things changed on this and other tutorials you made following the release of dlc?
Bitter: *explaining his war plans*
Diabolical hellenic music:
Quick Question, for the "open foreign subsidized Factories" focus, why dont you just start improving relations with the UK and France while doing the "utilize our strenghts" focus, or just wait with picking the focus? After all its just a little more political power, but the extra factories can be super useful
You'll never beat the -23 relations. You can only get 100 from improvement, and that nets you 77, at most.
POV: You fight for Alexander
Japan unable of defeating China is a meme at this point.
Hell let loose can be very frustrating for players who just want to run and gun and have a good time
Congrats Bitt3rSteel. But your thumbnail is wrong and should be updated. The red flag IS NOT the Macedonian's Empire flag, it's a fake flag created by Skopje nationalists claiming Alexander's The Great legacy. The original Macedonian flag is blue. Nonetheless, I enjoyed the video and thank you for doing something original. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Macedonia_(Greece)
I'll forward it to Zatwinki, but I still love the work he did in making the countryball!
@@Bitt3rSteel Sure the country balls are always cool, I enjoy them in every video of yours but the flag is wrong, refers to something completely different and historically non existent :)
'' Doesnt matter the quality it cares number of ships''
Why does sounds familiar
"Quantity is a quality of its own"
i love how him improve relationship with Soviet by clicking justify wargoal
YEAAAAAAHHH :D just what i wanted!!
Bitt3rSteel just can't resist going with dispersed industry...
I finally formed The Macedonian Empire on non-historical. I knew I could follow this guide on historical but its just not fun that way for me. I did rush down the political branch to get Italy in my faction and take out Albania then Yugoslavia/Romania though still like in this guide but the rest was pretty crazy. Some things that helped me out. I got lucky and was able to take advantage of some interesting set ups.
The UK went communist and decolonized so I was able to take out the entire east piece by piece so that reduced the chances of any other national taking my land.
Italy went into civil war before I took Yugoslavia so I helped them end it and got alot of the communist Italian Navy in the peace deal. Now I had a decent navy.
A huge help was Germany going Monarchist. They killed Mussolini while I was at war with the UK. So Germany joined the war Italy was already in. I just removed my faction and joined Germany's. Now I had a strong alliance and a steady supply of equipment and a port to invade the UK.
Gibraltar and Egypt were free from the UK so the Mediterranean was free of naval invasions as well. No coastline defense was needed.
Communist Turkey joined the UK. I used my Italian Navy to invade the UK from Germany to end that war and took Turkey and the UK Navy. Now I had a very good Navy and Turkey was delt with.
Last big obstacles were France and the USSR. France joined the USA but that helped because it kept us in a war with a major so i could declare war every 10 days on everything east of me.
The USSR had a civil war so they were weakened as well.
I just took everything out one by one, used UK and Indian puppet manpower then finished off my land requirements taking out the USSR. Integrated India to get Pakistan and formed the Macedonian Empire.
Alot of luck and but it was very interesting. Took alot of tries but it finally worked out.
The Persians: "How does this Alexander guy keep moving so fast?!"
Alexander the Great at 300ms:
"Goddamn shitbox."
Out of curiousity, why not go down the right side of the industrial branch for the additional manpower and better designers it provides? Is it really that much worse economically that it's worth giving up the recruitable pop when you say yourself many times in the video that you'd give anything for a tiny bit more manpower? Another thing I noticed is you took the artillery specialist high command, isn't that a waste of PP? last I knew those commands only apply to divisions made MOSTLY out of the specific unit type they buff, rather than buffing the battalions themselves. Basically if the unit defaults to an artillery picture when you make the division, the artillery commander will buff the whole division, if it defaults to any other picture then it will not be buffed at all from the commander, even if it has artillery in it. Is that no longer how it works?
the rigth industrial branch take a lot of time and forces you go use pp on paying debt and relation with the balkans nations( who usually are mostly eaten or hate you, giving little gain) that side usually is usefull in runs where you focus on industrial and then go political stuff like in the communist and metaxas one, where you are going to enter mid-late war. rather than doing stuff previus to the war.
@@frozendepina5293 Yeah true, I forgot he'd already be facist and have generated too much world tension by the time he hits the industrial branch, so improving with the balkans would be much harder than I'm used to. That being said though, the extra manpower is from like the first or second focus on that side of the tree, so you don't really need to do the full thing to get a lot of the benefits. He could have done the right side of the branch and had essentially the same run, but with 4 less factories and 20%ish more manpower basically.
@@Kandall05161 maybe to to reduce the consumer goods penalty since he didn’t pay debts and get more factories and maybe the nice German industrial company to get a bonus to output
I didn’t even know this existed