The Problem With Value Boosters
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ค. 2024
- With Bloomburrow spoilers in full swing, I think the announcement of Value Boosters show a big shift in the direction of Magic Product that isn't for the better, so let's discuss the Problem With Value Boosters!
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Worth mentioning that pre “Draft/Set” booster era, NO ONE WAS CRYING FOR A CHANGE. WotC wants more money. Fuck them and fuck their Admin team. Sorry for my passion but I love this game.
Your passion is appreciated. Keep that anger. Nothing will change otherwise
There was people wanting packs with more Rares for the sake of the secondary market and the environment. Consider its very possible to open up a box of 36 packs and it doesn't have a specific Rare and/or Mythic you need for your deck. And you need a playset of that.
How much actual paper and plastic waste needs to be produced just so that 1 playset of a playable card is produced? And then think about the growing playerbase in which thousands of players want that playset for their decks.
That being said, this is not what they wanted.
@@sambrown9475all the passion in the world doesn't mean anything if we keep giving them money
@@fettuccineinme I feel like their shouldn't be the rarity system. Like if you could only play with commons and uncommons the game would be a lot more affordable, but a lot of the fun cards are rare, and the card pool is halved which really matters for standard. Otherwise the only way to play this game is to be rich or proxying a ton of cards
When there was only one type of booster pack, everyone was fine with that. Nobody wanted change because it was a good system.
This is a terrible product
Hasbro tries to monetize D&D, but player base said “NO.”
Hasbro’s *primary* purpose is a Toy Company brand, but ADULTS tend to buy their toys, as Kids don’t usually buy toys anymore.
Hasbro gets Wizards to monetize Magic, as Magic is THE OTHER PROFITABLE IP that they have - outside of D&D…
(Notice where the problem now lies?)
This "product" is an insult to anyone equipped with a brain
This terrible is a product.
To quote Voxy "I feel like im losing my fucking mind. did we not just scrap set boosters and draft boosters turning them into play boosters because all the diff kinds of packs were confusing people??? why are we REGRESSING?? you FIXED IT. why are you UNDOING THE FIXING"
"Dollar store booster pack" is an insane comparison, and i wish you were wrong 🤣😭
Those at least come with a rare and enough cards to pseudo chaos draft
@@margaretjones2585yeah these are unironically somehow worse than dollar store booster packs
you know this is going to be a 3 dolar pack because thats where we are at now.
"full spoiler season" has no meaning, we are always being spoiled cards for sets every week, or at least that's how it feels
Sure, a Rare's a Rare, but a wild card could be anything! it could even be a rare!
So let's take the rare?
@@ryanderenbecker8837 I don't know you don't get the value of excitement if you get the random rare. I vote wildcard here.
@@austinchuilli3652 Ok, but a wildcard can also NOT be a rare, so... Let's take the thing that's a known rare.
In the words of Robert Downey Jr, "never go full Peter Griffin."
Maybe if it was $1 and draftable I’d buy packs without rares, but it’s neither of those
@@margaretjones2585 that’s the frustrating part, these could have been awesome new “Pauper” limited type of thing
Bruh
We had set then booster
Then beyond and play
Now we got *VALUE*
PICK A LANE WOTC
PREACH!!!
You mean Epilogue, Beyond, and Value.
"we're now in spoiler season"
Are we ever not?
1.99 dollar store boosters or high theft Walmart stores. Or this could be a requirement for their print suppliers to keep the beyond booster run minimum quantities
Oh no its a (shareholders)value booster
They already did it... twice... Fallen Empires and then Conflux to M14 also had them, and the second time around it was 2 bucks per... So these are gonna be like 3 bucks for no rare
there more, homelands 8 cards for 1.75$ , arabian nights, antiquities, the dark,
alliances with 12 card booster
Portal Three Kingdoms with 10 cards
I legit thought this was an off-season April Fools joke at first.
I don't normally desire for a product to truly fail, but this really needs to fail HARD to send Wizards a message.
Dollar Store type places sell something similar for Pokemon/Yugioh. I feel like it's just mtg having to 'announce' what it is that makes it look like a problem. This isn't meant to be sold at your lgs or big box retails... It's meant for the "we sell cheap things!" store.
As a dollar sign with hands and feet, this product sounds like the perfect way to start assembling a tournament-legal competitive 60-card deck.
I wish you luck on that endeavor
I hope it will be available at my Local Garbage Dump.
I feel bad for the kids who get this as a gift because their parents or grandparents knew they liked MTG. Maybe Timmy will like this for his birthday... no he wont
Gotta vote with your dollar folks, convince your 🐋 friend to spend into older sets instead of brand new stuff. Personally I stopped buying premium sets and my last products was half-sies a box of thunder junction dis-function with a friend
So you cant draft it, you get a rare or mythic in 1/12 packs roughly, and the rest is commons uncommons and a land (cuz you know the spg slot like 1%)
This better be at most $2 packs cuz thats even a gambling price
Once they took away set boosters I knew it was only gonna get worse...
It's not just a 7 card booster. It's an Arena booster in paper.
I didn't even realize that
Arena boosters come with a guaranteed Rare or better. Last I played a couple of years ago anyway.
Arena booster are free too, just spend 1000 gold a pack. You get a rare 100%
@@heecks9375 sure many of us may know that but others might not get that or feel they need to pay to play.
WotC doesn’t make a product line just because. There is a reason behind this product. This, Aftermath, and Assassin’s Creed are all a test run for something yet to come.
@@Xoulrath_ sure, and what’s to say the next time they do this style of pack in paper they don’t make that change? It could happen.
High key I plan to just shoplift these whenever I'm in a Walmart.
You know what would make sense if they did something like this but closer to what Pokemon has with trick or treat packs. Legendary and lower value planeswalker cards in Halloween costumes would be something I could see them doing at this point, especially with the horror set later this year
My local LGS has been selling lucky bag repacks to parents and grand parents coming in looking for a small thing to get their younglings and found normal product too expensive for their liking.
This i think is a product built on feedback
Honestly? If there were kids around when I would draft (we usually drafted once a week but it was in the evening ater dinner time so no kids were around), I would have always given commons and uncommons away for free. They were comlpetely useless to me even while I was in the process of building a competitive deck. I would simply buy all the needed commons/uncommons in bulk for like 5 / 10 euros top and never think about them anymore.
*sigh* time to start my printer again
Heyo! Thanks for the shout out Shaf!
This is such a tone deaf take on how to market products to the masses, especially with how bad some of the diagrams got for ONE boosters and other sets.
Just give us old boosters damnit! Keep it simple and stop catering to the financially advantaged.
its like they heard the complaints about aftermath boosters and thought we were mad that rares were in the packs.
I'm starting to miss the set based theme booster and jumpstart.
The main reason why they converted set and draft into play boosters was to solve the exact the same problem they are turning back with value boosters (a product with no use for anybody, doesn't matter if it's cheap; it won't sell just as draft used to)
Its almost like they've lost touch
no no its the customers who are wrong
The perfect product for our significant other to purchase for us not knowing we dont want it
If this thing is next to the Halloween candy I will buy it and hand it out on Halloween.
Me, a Magic fan who only plays on TTS: "Aww man... that sucks. Welp, time to play with my 4 Alpha Black Lotuses!"
That paper wrapping is to combat theft, not to justify paying more.
Absolutely agree that this is a dollar product. The packaging "MAY" be just a digital prototype but I am included to agree with you that it could push this into the 4-5 dollar point at big box stores. It would then be stealing from parents seeking a quick impulse reward for their kids as the pack will have an average of about $0.35 of content.
I usually am able to find amazing bulk buys filled with commons and uncomons from one or more (sometime specifically advertised which) sets, from stores that don’t like holding on to bulk, or players ridding themselves of chaff and oversized collections.
500-1000 card lots and for between 5-20 dollars, depending on a few factors. That’s what value means. More products for less money. If you go to a grocery store, value means getting extra. I fail to see the “extra” in what this product is.
To me it is looking like a false promise on the packaging, and disappointment waiting to be unwrapped.
Wizards had awesome value products back when bundles had 10 draft packs and the fatpacks that came with a book about the set. They had awesome value when there were commander decks for 19.99, and when intro packs /decks came with extra booster pack/s. Imagine how much more the starter kits would sell as well if they had 2-3 boosters along with the two decks. That would be value!
Tbh at a dollar per pack, this might be interesting for collector box buyers. Collector boosters have a poor coverage of commons and uncommons. But probably this will be priced to aggressive to be successful.
I feel as though they just got a lot of 7 card booster sleeves to fill since Aftermath 2 was cut. If it was 2 bucks and guaranteed rare with potential to get a second, worth it. But it isn't, so straight to the bin. Can't wait till WoTC shills start posting insane pulls on reddit out of value packs tho.
What WOTC using predatory tactics again!!?? Imagine my shock
The first Zendikar had something like this, I think each came with a full art so it wasn't worth it really, but that's back when only a few sets had full arts. And they were like $2.
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Hate for Hasbro from Canada ❤️❤️
If this is truly exclusive to big box stores, there could be a silver lining. If this is all that's available at Walie World, then it could drive traffic to local game stores/comic book shops
Here is a wild thought. I'd buy more product if it was cheaper
Bet they won't sell these in the UK - they have advertising laws about stuff like that and there's no way these are going to be a good value
Yay magic has finally made it cheaper for me to be an alcoholic!
Its an ebay mystery pack. Chance at black lotus! Very infinitely small! But not impossible!
As a set collector, I feel that Wotc wants all my money. Instead that haven't got any in quite some time
Under the sole condition that these packs are a dollar (which may be the case knowing what the rare-per-dollar rate roughly is), I actually really like these for super cheap pseudo-pauper drafts. Burrow seems like a very fun set and I think having the limited experience, even if you pull little value, could be fun for specific play groups. If they're at the aforementioned price point I'm going to buy some of these.
If they cram the universe’s beyond into the aftermath sized card list I’d support it over a full set
They just need to SLOW DOWN….. it’s literally always a product, we can’t enjoy what we have because it’s always something. In addition to that, it’s always 5 million versions of one thing. Why can’t we just go back to REGULAR, EVERYDAY BOOSTER PACKS!?? Novel idea!
I mean Pokémon has the 3 card boosters for $1 and they’re pretty good. No guaranteed rares but they’re still pretty good depending on your hits. You can make bank of those if you pull the right cards. Just like any other booster pack.
WotC merged the Draft and Set boosters to reduce the number of booster products players had to track. So naturally the best option is to introduce a new type of booster and completely undo that. The Play Booster’s reason for existing was just nullified. Honestly, I think the best option for what packs we should have is just two and only two: the $4 draft booster designed exclusively to draft, and something like a $6-$7 Set booster that has your Booster Fun, art cards, and extended art, basically merging the Set and Collector boosters. But unfortunately WotC is allergic to good ideas.
If these end up $1 a pack I think this could be okay like the 3 card Pokemon packs at the dollar store but otherwise these are trash. Only reason I think this is okay is because smaller kids might want to buy theme for this set because of “cute animals”
If this was a $1 pack like the dollar store Pokémon packs, it would be ok. But I bet it’s $3 at the min. This is not only a bad deal but it’s just trash being sold that is going into the landfill.
When hasbro is intent on destroying itself.
Ooh, ooh! I wonder if it’ll be as successful as other 7 card boosters with no rares like the immensely successful Homelands! Or the mighty and popular Fallen Empires! 😂
We formalized Dollarama Booster packs LETS GO
Honestly if it was $2.50 or less then I would buy it. I like going to my LGS, checking the bulk card section and hanging out for a bit. I would buy a pack or two when I go but they're like 6-12 bucks.
I could be dumb for saying this but I would pay $2.50 to support my LGS a bit everytime I go and try the new set out.
Why when you can probably just spend less than $2.50 on whatever card you're hoping to pull out of this POS lol
@@tcgdarren5865 It depends what the pull rate on rares are but, yeah.
It could be a BOAT!
The stupid thing is that people will still buy these and then WotC will look at data and see they sell so they'll keep making them.
I thought this was gonna be a cut the chaffe booster. How like with after math and assassins creed have no commons. When I heard it was the oppisite, I nearly threw my phone.
I feel for the people at Wizards. I can’t imagine the insanity that they probably have to deal with via Hasbro just milking this game to death - one that they surely love as well. Short term gains for the long term destruction of MtG. Definitely found myself googling how to play 40K, pricing, local scene the last few weeks.
The value is not for us, is for Ha$bro
for 50 cents i might buy
Wotc overestimated the player base's tolerance for aftermath style products
I feel like, cause bloomburrow is sorta a product which under my predictions is going to pull a lot of new fans into mtg (because furrys and parents are going to love this set), that wotc is just trying to capitalize off of these new and unexperienced players.
If gamestores receive these products then i will take every opportunity to tell people at my lgs toxnot buy this product, thats what i did for double feature and i feel like thats gonna be similar, but we will see.
Iam still hyped for these anthros but damn hasbro
What does a magic god pack look like??? 🤔🤔
A Collector Booster.
The sad part is even with a guaranteed rare slot, the normal packs aren’t even worth it. 99% of rares are jank rares that’s not even worth a quarter. The pack with no rare will have the same value as a pack with rares like 80% of the time.
What people are missing is that this kind of pack already exists, made by third parties. Wizards only wants a piece of that pie. Which doesn't mean these are a good deal or that Wizards are any good
Ughhhhh.... draft chaff with a minimal chance of getting a Special Guest card? How can they say with a straight face that this is not like an "inexpensive" lottery booster?
If they are $2 per pack msrp I think it’s a real cool idea. We’ll see. As a share holder I’d rather them not make this.
First time ever, booster with NOT GUARANTEED RARE
There have been packs like this before, but they were discontinued. This is just the new name for them.
2026
WOTC: so we analised rhe buying behavior of the people. And we decide to reduce the varaity of boosters.
NOW WE HAVE VALUEBOOSTERS FOR THE PRICE OF PLAYBOOSTERS. PLAYBOOSTERS ARE NOT EVEN LONGER. THEREFOR THE VALUE BOOSTER CONTAIN UP TO 15 CARDS AND NO RARE GARANTEED.
Been doing an AVG price cost analysis will have video coming out tomorrow evening, but in short not worth anything at all.
WOTC are so out of touch.
If it's not a dollar, it's not it.
I'm awaiting the "booster booster".
A booster whose content is just another booster. Wait, no cards, just the packaging. A packaging wrapping another, empty packaging. That's it
Wait mtg cards are sold at Walmart? Since when? Haven't been selling mtg cards at Walmarts in years.
Sorry for ruining your wind down yesterday
I mean if they were like 2$ or something then value boosters aint that bad, but like we all know these fucks are gonna be like 4$ or something to cover the raising costs of draft boosters.
This would be cool at $1, acceptable at $2. This means it will be at least $3 to look good on the shelves as a better value compared to the $5 play boosters. If this is a big box exclusive it isn't targeting Magic's more intent audience that will know they are getting swindled by these packs, but will make a killing being sold to children and parents that don't know any better.
Bigger picture, this will lower the price of the commons and uncommons in the set, which might push up 3rd party prices on chase rares and mythics. They legally have to release the odds for rarity on this product right? Would be interesting to see the probability to actually get a rare in this set.
In WoTC's defense, going from Draft, and Set boosters to Play, and Value boosters does make more sense in what the pack is being used for. Ironically the value isn't in the cards being opened, but the value of getting that crack packing fix for a couple dollars less.
Did they not just reduce the amount of boosters due to confusion?
No, it was due to not being able to support all languages with all boosters. This is a bulk sheet release valve they've resorted to in the past for Walmarts and stuff.
They are introducing a cheaper booster in order to raise the price in the original. Its not about value,casual players or something else.
It's a small booster for kids to pick up with their lunch money. Get them in young.
Even though it's luck when it comes to winning and if you know deck building, WOTC is saying magic is pay to win which is a damn shame.
So charge the same for half the cards? So we're getting fucked, got it
And there are people had the audacity to tell me Value boosters are better to draft pauper.
I replied you're paying for the same or even more money to draft as you need to buy twice the amount of packs. Then, you have the same amount of commons for the lesser value.
Value boosters my ass.
This is even worse than Fallen Empires or Aftermath.
It depends on the price. If they cost only 2-3bucks and hanging everywhere, I could see that product especially for kids!
Magic shouldn't be a luxury hobby.
But if they could produce a booster only 3 bucks, why are playboosters so expensive.
This product is one of those wizards will put out knowing it will cause backlash, but with the intention of pushing the envelope just enough that they can squeeze other terrible stuff in between a value booster and a play booster, then have people justify its existence by saying well its not as bad as a value booster
Half of a booster
Not half the price
I'll still just buy singles. THAT supports my LGS better than this
Man, the product offerings just keep getting worse and worse. In terms of alternative booster packs, my favorite will always be the theme boosters since you got a decent bulk of commons and uncommons, Standard Jumpstart left a lot to be desired since it lacked the powerlevel of Jumpstart and Jumpstart 2022, and now those are gone and these are replacing it? It's laughable to call them value, I'd legit rather sell them at 2 commons, 2 uncommons and 1 guaranteed rare compared to the bunk they got now, and even then, it would still be a hard sell.
shareholder value from ha$blow. And remember they want to make dungeons and dragons digital so they can lootbox and paywall anything good behind them. All they care is number must go up and if it kills the line in 3 years it appeases the real bosses for 2 then they flog some new nonsense.
its a value booster, value for them LOL
They had better not pull this crap with the final fantasy set
They are just trying to confuse parents and grandparents.
algorithm boost
There are two options for this product:
1) It's a dollar
2) This product is abhorrent and offensive to both the current player base and new players who will be tricked into buying these
Is threshold considered kicker or horsemanship?
No extra cost= horsemanship
They're doing 2 things with this: Testing the waters to see people's reactions to exploiting their player base as hard as they can, and also desensitizing everyone for their end-game plan of making all boosters value boosters. They wouldn't be doing this if some corporate troglodyte didn't already mandate that all of their boosters change to this for maximum profits. They probably got some pushback from the underlings, so this is the compromise, to test the waters and also ready people's minds for the direction they plan to go.
Ok what