Retired professional Navy Sailor Breaks Down Boat Bits from Movies - "Greyhound" Part1
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- Retired Navy sailor breaks down the boat bits from Hollywood movies and this time it's Episode 3 - "Greyhound" part 1.
I hope you enjoy the video and maybe gain a small insight into naval life and If you do why not hit the Like button! Cheers Shippers!
Hello Shipmates, in this episode we ask 'did they get it right' as we watch Tom Hanks, Elisabeth Shue and Stephan Graham in this fast paced World War 2 drama about the perils of the North Atlantic Convoys.
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"Meet Her" is used when the Conn can't figure a bearing for every course change in maneuvers such as these, so instead of "Steady on course 255" its like "Steady on course thataway"
Meet her means opposite, but equal, rudder to stop a turn and and head straight on the present course. For example, if the helmsman had full right rudder set and was ordered to meet her, he'd steer to full left rudder to stop the turn.
@@markymarknj which is basically what I said but I said it simpler.
At 11:00 those are actually depth charges launched from a K-gun.
Hedgehogs were smaller and more deadlier than depth charges, they could be fired in clusters and used contact fuses so they would only detonate against hard sufaces, instead of regular depth charges which relied on hydrostatic shockwaves.
Yup.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedgehog_(weapon)
When I was a US Navy helmsman forty years ago we used “left” and “right” rudder orders. Not port or starboard. I assume it’s an American thing…
I was hoping someone like yourself would share some first hand USN knowledge. cheers for that!
@@boatmandan9945 …. My sea duty was aboard a submarine. I won’t speak for the surface navy
@@Idahoguy10157 Ahh I see, I know the subs do somethings a little differently. So could be one of those. Cheers
@@boatmandan9945 …. submariners of all navies operate differently than their surface brethren. We had several former surface sailors. They were happy they made the switch
Okay, anyone who can work in a Zoolander reference into a movie about WWII convoys in the N. Atlantic deserves a like at least
Hahaha I'm glad someone appreciated it! It never fails to make me laugh when I watch it.
Great video! But they are 40mm Bofors, not 20mm. The 20mm appear later when the U-boat is close aboard. Also, the fired depth charges are not hedgehogs. That was a later anti-sub weapon that was launched forward of the ship and exploded on contact.
Cheers for the tip. Always happy to learn and be more accurate, perhaps you have a link to a good source? Have a good one!
@@boatmandan9945 Hi! As with so much else in anti-submarine warfare, the development of the hedgehog was due to the Royal Navy. 😉It was a great improvement on the depth charge, because (1) being fired ahead of the ship, it could cancel last minute evasive turns by U-boats seeking to pass under the attacking escort. (2) It exploded on contact with the submarine thus taking the uncertainty out of whether or not an attack was successful (this actually occurs in Greyhound). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedgehog_(weapon).
The 40mm was the standard medium range anti-aircraft weapon for the US Navy in WW2, the 20mm en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oerlikon_20_mm_cannon
I enjoy your videos! And of course the Royal Navy is the "Senior Service" to other navies throughout the world, from the US Navy to the Imperial Japanese Navy to both India and Pakistan and even the German Kriegsmarine, all have looked to the RN as a model and mentor, (even if they fought against it_. Even if the Royal Navy no longer holds sway over all the world's oceans as once it did, it still holds pride of place in its traditions and influence, which will be remembered at least as long as the English language is spoken on this planet.
@@boatmandan9945 Would like to add, the 20mm were oerlikon 20mm guns and were found on US ships in single or double mounts and were aimed with your shoulders, not by turning director wheels.
A fun thing i learned is an easy way to distinguish starboard and port
Left has 4 letters, port has 4 letters therefore all you need to remember is left 4 port 4
I’ve not heard that one! I use ‘Port is a red wine best Left in the bottle’. Red and port go together so it’s a good idea to remember both. Thanks shipmate!
I use geography. When looking at a world map of Europe, I have Port(ugal) on the left side, and the Star(board)-nation = USSR on the right.
@@JanBruunAndersen thats another new one on me! Funny how many inventive ways people come up with to remember the same thing. Cheers shippers
many thanks! was looking for explanations for this movie! awersome!
No worries , glad it was helpful.
The movie itself looks great.
It is, give it a watch!
They pronounced Norfolk correctly. They are talking about Norfolk, VA and that is how we pronounce the name in the States.
Also the part where you labeled depth charges as hedgehogs you are incorrect. They are depth charges launched from "K" guns. These were used to fire depth charges out from the sides of the ship while others were rolled from the stern to create a pattern. The hedgehog was a British invention which fired smaller projecties like a mortar would on land. It was an extremely dangerous weapon that as it became more prevalent on escorts took a serious toll on German submarines.
Glad someone mentioned that!
Neither pronounced Norfolk the way people from Naahfuk, Virginia would say it.
Totally underestimated video, love it... very simple and efficient
Depth charges and hedgehogs are not the same things. Depth charges are pre-set to detonate at a certain depth and not on contact. Hedgehogs only detonate upon contact with the hull of a submarine. If they don't, they simply sink to the bottom without detonating.
Yes. Those are K Guns. Beat me to it. I think I posted my comment to Part#2.
Aw baby, you‘re the sweetest! ❤️ and you already know the answer
Meet her is a US Navy hwlm order still used today.
I like how that guy is just casually smoking his cigarette on the bridge while working. I think it is just Hollywood movie expecting the audience not to understand port and starboard, that's why they're using left and right.
Yer even my first warship which was built in 2000 had ash trays on the bridge and OP's room. Luckily we weren't allowed to smoke inside!
They do use port and stbd in other situations but it would be interesting to hear from someone in the USN to clarify it. 😁
@@boatmandan9945 Shadow here using alt acc. May I know your opinion regarding the HMS Defender incident, whether you think UK/Russia who is lying. I made a video about it th-cam.com/video/PBdSjQIflaU/w-d-xo.html
USN rudder commands are expressed in terms of direction ("left" or "right") followed by the rudder angle ("full", "hard" or a number of degrees, e.g. "left 15 degree rudder". ) Each ship has an understood equivalence between a full or a hard rudder command and the number of degrees the helmsman will set the rudder angle indicator to.
During Vietnam it was common practice to smoke on the bridge as well as most of the other spaces on the ship. Before he lit up a cigarette at night, the smoker was expected to call out "watch your eyes" before striking a flame so everyone could close their eyes to protect their night vision.
Brilliant video, absolutely amazing where do you work now. Are still in the navy?
Very kind of you to say ! These days I work in the super yacht industry, driving shinny yachts about. 😁
At 6:36 the door is marked with a red “Z”
In general quarters during condition Zebra this means that we close and secure it and it remain closed for maximum watertight integrity, especially when going into combat.
Nevertheless, an amazing movie.
Yep going to 'Action stations' or 'general quarters' for the Americans involves closing certain doors and hatches. The Ship is closed down to 'Zulu A' so all the doors with the Z would indeed be closed. Pretty sure our american friends call it Zulu as well not Zebra (Zulu is the NATO standard word for Z) but if you have a source saying other wise I'd been keen to read it. Cheers shipmate!
@@boatmandan9945 Interesting, I knew that Zebra wasn't an actual letter in the military alphabet, but assumed it was just kept that way due to tradition.
My source is my copy of the "United States Navy Basic Military Training Recruit Trainee Guide" prepared by Recruit Training Command as of Spring 2022 that I got in bootcamp. The pages referring to DC classifications and condition Zebra are pages 258 and 259.
Happy reading my friend!
Thoroughly enjoyed this break-down. In the army when speaking on radio, we always say 'zero niner six' for 096. At 8:26 the officer of the watch just simply said 'zero nine six', is that correct naval communication? Thanks
Hey shippers, glad you enjoyed it. It was fun putting it together.
So in the RN we dont say 'niner' but in the civilian world we are taught on to say 'niner' on the radio as its by the book. However no one does apart from your American friends. Hope this answers your question!
@@boatmandan9945 Brilliant, looking forward to part2 of the break-down
@@terrysky83 Well I managed to get a day off at last and had a few hours to get part 2 ready to go. I think its funnier than part 1 but you can be the judge of that!
I was an AC in the navy and our protocol when it came to talking to aircraft was saying niner, so I guess it’s different all around?
its ww2 so i don't think they had invented the "niner" thing yet. WW2 Radio speak is quite a bit different than today.
Meet her does exist in the USN but it’s seldom used.
“Steady as she goes” is often used
@@salgiardina steady as she goes essentially steadies on a course. Meet her, does not. It’s essentially to stop the swing of the ship.
You het a cheers mate. My apologies if im incorrect but i think the convoy wass hf1146. Halifax . . . I dont mind correction ill mt feel hurt i have a identic memory which means vaugely photographic. Butbby learing i become better or just happy. Aadec yarp
20mm anti airguns (those are bofors 40mm aa guns)
I love this film. But you just ID-ed the winces that made my family look at me strangely as we viewed it. First, @ this point RCN had been in this game for 2 years and USN learning their tactics - why was the RCN Corvette - (A Sackville by any other name smells and hunts so sweet) veteran of several crossings, not the escort commander? A green DD, first crossing, as SCOPA? Next, they gave confusing conning orders in several ways. So weird.as In RCN, it's "Port/Stbd 5, 10, 15, 30. and it's "steady! (helm) Steady blankety-blank. OOW - steady steer "blanketly-blank". The revs - as jr officers, we had to memorize the revs for all speeds. Capt'n says make turns for 15 kts, OOW orders "Revs XXX". SOP was escorts do not ever stop for survivors. That's a Courts Marshall offence as it puts the vessel in grave danger, and deprives the convoy of an escort. Still, they compressed a lot into the essence of the Battle of the Atlantic.
Thanks for the comment shippers! There’s certainly a few little inconsistencies in the movie, but at the end of the day it is still a Hollywood movie so we have to let them off a little. It’s still a great piece of entertainment and shows the bravery and emotional roller coaster those men had to go through.
In the RN the helm and engine orders are certainly different to the movies and seem more inline with what you’re saying, along with the merchant navy to.
I thought the scene where the old man has to make the call between getting back on station or picking up survivors is great. You’re really torn between the human cost of leaving the men to drown or the potential further human cost of another ship being torpedoed. Have a good one shippers!
10:40 spaceballs, thats darth helmet
You got it! I wasn’t sure anyone would!
Yup, that's where the inspiration came from, the Navy's Mk. II "talker" helmet haha
13:50 where i come from if the captain asks "where?" after receiving baring and range either you mumbled or you need another captain.
I have one query was it not the Royal Canadian Navy that did most of the heavy lifting for escort of c9nvoys across the Atlantic? Did the US Navy take lots of ships from Atlantic Fleet and transfer them to Pacific Fleet to fight the Imperial Japanese Navy.
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the us navy had a code during ww2
that evil death cat noises thay play for the u boat is making me ill !!!! i want compo!!! you hear me! compo!! compo!!
Yer it's pretty creepy right!
wasent the us navy segregated was is there a black man on the ship weren't white sailors pretty hostile to there presence
I hate how americans pronounce submariner. Its Marin-er not mareener
Fun little differences for sure, another one is buoy and boooiee.
@@boatmandan9945 I agree. Funny enough Bowie knife is also pronounced boo wiee
Awe man, you had a chance to do a great review, and fell on your humorless sword. A pity, really.
There is a scene where a U-boat command talks to the destroyer's crew through their own intercom. How ridiculous. Totally cringe worthy.
Yeah why can't someone say "hey, we've managed to keep the suspension of disbelief around 2 for this movie let's not kick it up to 8 for no reason."
It's not cringe...it's basically a sonor comm device and we still had the when I was on an aegis cruiser in the 90's. OOD'S had fun "calling" the dolphins