EFAP Movies #43: The Descent with Director Neil Marshall and Critical Drinker
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2024
- The EFAP crew are joined by the wonderful Neil Marshall, accomplished Writer/Director of not only The Descent but many classics in the horror, action, historical and post-apocalyptic genres.
In this unique episode, we discuss as many elements of production as possible while asking Neil about his experiences with the film.
Go watch The Descent!
Thats insane to have the actual director of The Descent! ... Now if they could do an The Last Jedi Efap with Rian johnson lol.
They would pause every ten seconds and ask him "why?" over and over again, but I'd still watch that.
@@Arko777777It would go from an interview to an interrogation to then possibly end in an execution.
@@arkoa0000"Where's the dagger! You wouldn't give it to an ordinary storm trooper!"
I'd pay money to watch them grill him about The Last Jedi and Knives Out. Maybe even Looper, granted I like Looper (for me, the characters, performances, and pathos makes up for the illogical ass time travel mechanics) but Rian deserves scorn.
I would would pay VERY good money for that
MauLer seemed so giddy at the beginning and I don't blame him, this is such a cool event. Super glad this managed to be organized!
Anyone who thinks the EFAP guys are just a bunch of haters who enjoy berating studios, actors, writers and directors, I strongly advise them to watch this episode. The love and appreciation they show Neal proves that they can be just as positive as they can be "negative." Just make good films and shows. It's that simple.
Exactly - the EFAP crew are extremely detail orientated and they have all said their first instinct is to look for patterns and consistency in storytelling, character, plot and world-building so when something's off they notice very quickly and they've been doing this long enough that they can identify the opposite patterns just as quickly (rushed scripts, writer's hand, tell vs show, poor world-building, cliches, problems with structure, voiceless characters etc etc) but it's clear from this episode and other watch throughs that when those good patterns are there, when the set-ups are well done and the pay-offs present, when there's clearly care and craftsmanship in the story and characters and the creators are confident enough and trusting enough in their audience to pick up on everything they're dropping into frame then they will absolutely notice and applaud it.
I think anyone who's confused about why they'd celebrate something like The Descent but eviscerate something like Obi-Wan Kenobi either hasn't actually seen either of those things or isn't looking for very much from their entertainment.
@@andrewconrad2859 Blows a hole in the narrative that they use hating these things to get views as well. I'd love to hear them gush over how well a show was thought out. I'm hoping one day they go over Black Sails since it's one of my favorite shows and I'd love to hear them talk about the themes of the show, the characters, and everything that makes a story.
It's just that Hollywood keeps churning out shit, so they're gonna be honest in their reviews of the shit Hollywood is turning out.
@@Bonesawisready926 But Black Sails is absolutely terrible and abysmally written lmao
MauLer so cute UwU
Can we stop for a second and think about how cool this is?
Watching a great movie alongside the director. Wow.
It's a milestone, sure.
Hate to disappoint you, but he's a Skrull.
@@sparkypack I knew it. I never fully trusted Rags.
@@canaldecasta 🐾🐕👀
@@sparkypack If skrulls can use Groots dna surely they can morph into animals right?
It amazes me that even after 18 years, the director still knows all these little details and anecdotes during productions. It really shows that the creator cared about their work, none of that "Yeah that's definitely a case of me just not knowing what to do with the script...".
If you love your work it sticks with you
I wish directors these days actually cared this much about what they make.
Writer director with some integrity of his work and not cow towing to the Hollywood industry.
No idea how you got Neil Marshall on to an EFAP movies of one of his own, but this is the one true timeline for it happening.
Drinker
As said, Drinker set it up. Her did an interview with Marshall and was instrumental in setting this up.
@@DerichndofCoomland I typed this out before the episode was even out, I am aware now thanks.
Well they said Drinker hooked them up, and Drinker has got connections.
It was in Efap 66 when Jay said that they were at the point where a filmmaker would be on when covering a movie. Today is that day
They had Robert Meyer Burnett on when covering Jurassic Park 4 months ago.
@@KaNoMikoProductions I am aware, but to do it while covering their own work is a different conversation all together.
Kudos to Drinker for this link up,and even bigger for Mr. Marshall for being the most down to Earth dude just being excited about how excited the boys are.
Neil is a northern bloke, so very down to earth and humble.
Feels like an old greek scholar or renissance painter having a class with some very intent students
This may not be the long kong, but certainly an EFAP for the ages!
They FAPPED it when there was less going on
there's still too much going on
I concer
The Long Ken?
Am I insane, or did a Long Kong premiere show up a couple of weeks ago before vanishing? I think Dead Space showed up not long after that.
I can't be the only one who thought this was the most professional opening to an EFAP movies ever.
I could tell Mauler was giddy, but he listed of all the accomplishments perfectly
Mauler was finally talking to a distinguished guest, someone he reveres... and so he went super-respectful... as one should. Mauler can joke and meme with the best but when it's serious, he gets serious.
The professional opening works for me as the start gets too comedic at times.
The real crawlers are the friends we took into the cave.
"your friend said - the enemy of my enemy is my friend"
You love to see it when a director not only respects the classics in his genre, but is also down-to-earth enough to go on a podcast with a group of fans to watch and talk about the movie. It was a special treat to hear Neil Marshall talk about the movie with you guys. Keep it up!
This is the coolest thing! Guys having a chat about a movie they enjoy with its creator. What a legendary episode.
I’ve never seen Mauler fanboy so hard! Absolutely adorable
He was so giddy
Let this be a historical landmark for EFAP.
honestly, I'm just glad to see a human face.
I wish more people who worked in Hollywood were like Neil. He was so cool here. Not a pretentious bone in his body yet he's 10 times the storyteller most people in Hollywood are these days.
I was there when Drinker said on a live stream with Mauler that he could arrange this, and again on another live stream when they announced it.
So happy this happened
When did they first discuss this happening?
It's been 10 years since the last EFAP movie.
Three weeks, actually.
10 YEARS
@@KevinM491 10 WHOLE YEARS!!
10 years? Gosh, a whole decade without some good rat 😭
I had hair when the last EFAP Movies CAME out
I’m a fan of Neil Marshal. He did Dog Soldiers; one of my favorite movies of all time.
Dog Soldiers are one of the best creature features movies ever, I can sit down and watch that one any day of the week and have a good time.
Brilliant film.
Such a good film
But he also did the Hellboy remake. Oh well, can't always get it right.
@@joevile240 Sliver lining is that he admits it’s garbage. So he’s self aware to know he can produce terrible movies. A good trait.
Best efap movies ever. Neill needs to come back and hang with the crew more often, he is a cool dude!
Wait… all the cave footage (most of the movie) was shot on a set? That just blows my mind! And proves CGI/green screen should never be the default, this will,never look dated…
You should watch the behind the scenes for The Lord of the Rings. CGI and green screen only when necessary for the shot. Everything else practical. Loads of sets that are just gorgeous. Helms deep, lots of Minis Tirith. That’s not even mentioning the miniatures at play in those movies. Minis tirith in its entirety is a scale miniature.
A very impressive guest and wonderful to hear about the construction of a movie set and such great team work. Thanks everyone!Thanks!
Re-watched The Descent last night after this EFAP. I've changed my mind about Juno. She's obviously in the wrong for banging her friend's husband but she didnt mean to kill Beth and Beth looked pretty dead when she left her and she went full hero mode after that. She didn't want to leave without Sarah. Juno did nothing (intentionally) wrong (apart from the affair). Really great film, thanks for reminding me HOW great. Horror classic for sure.
Yea. Thats why i was thinking to myself how terrible the movie would be to make sarah being the only survivor. But was saved with that ending. You can also easily argue that sarah also just killed her cuz of her affair since she shows her the necklace and all the rage that sarah had in her wanting to have a cathartic moment.
I love how (SLAM) "what'da bring me" has become an ending staple for EFAP movies. Never change that.🤣
Amazing EFAP.
Fringy's questions to Mr Marshall were great.
The set work, acting, camera work, all were excellent.
Bravo!
Damn, Neil Marshall is really moving up in the world ;)
I did not know the caves were fake, real good jobs
This is really cool, watching one of the best horror movies ever made with its own director is not something I ever expected EFAP to do
Why not? Don’t get me wrong, it’s very cool, but I’m unsurprised anyone would want to talk to these intelligent and well versed gentleman. They consistently have valuable insights regarding media.
You would have to be mad to not want to talk to these gents…unless your movie is bad, I guess lol. Or you’ve labeled and dismissed them, which could only happen if you don’t do your due diligence and have opinions about them based on no research.
People that have hardline positions based on hearsay are deeply unintelligent, they don’t even realize how uninformed they are. Sad to have that level of intellectual deficiency.
@@EmptyAltruism Because I've been following EFAP since before the Quinton/TRO episode. I never thought these goofballs talking about movies and shitty video essays would ever get to do anything like this
@@EmptyAltruism You have obviously not received the memo... Mauler, Rags and Critical Drinker are known as right-wing don't you know?
The fact any one of note involved in movie-making is talking to them publicly is a big thing.... that's number 1.
@@EmptyAltruism I seriously doubt most people in Hollywood would want to sit down with these guys and talk about their films. Neil seems like a down to earth and intelligent guy, but could you imagine pulling in Rian Johnson or Ava Duvernay and talking to them about their creative decisions on their films? They'd get so defensive and probably walk off. I think Neil could probably take some ribbing on something like Hellboy if it came up.
I'd love to see Neil come back for Dog Soldiers this Halloween if they can swing that. I really like the Descent but I fucking love Dog Soldiers far more.
@@Bonesawisready926 Dog Soldiers is another one of my favorites, I'd love to see him come back and watch it with the crew
This is a treat. It’s like a commentary track, except it’s EFAP and the *director* 🙌
Thank you for dropping this on my birthday mr longman, you truly can see anything from outer space.
Jason: Good luck brother.
You wish Zian a happy birthday from me.
Happy birthday internet stranger
Happy birthmas
This was fucking excellent Mewbschlie. Kudos to Mr. Marshall for being so kind as to participate and give insights, I reckon he enjoyed the experience of talking with EFAP and Drinker as well.
It was great to see this female driven movie that wasn't about how it was female driven.
+Pure sarcasm+ I'm so glad Jennifer Lawrence paved the way for this
Edit:
It's amazing how many of Mr Marshall's plans/concepts were ruined by the sequel lol
He gave us some real insight into the minds of producers. Like the one who wanted them to strip down and jump into a lake together naked. Could you imagine if that shit was in the movie how badly that would fuck up the tone? I'm just an average film fan like everyone else here and even I know that would be stupid.
@@Bonesawisready926 Unfortunately, the artists people work under usually just try to think of what would make more money. Sometimes they're right but it can certainly kill the experience.
@@Bonesawisready926
^.-.^ Indeed, throwing random tits into a scene just for the sake of it is just so superfluous and unnecessary.
…
Wait a minute… >.-.>;
@@Bonesawisready926I think there is certainly sometimes that pressure to make the movie more “eye appealing” by objectifying the women for money purposes - even if it breaks the film.
The Descent has female characters who I know are female, are played by women as women, but they are neither objectified to make money nor do they pretend to be this empowerment play.
It feels more real. Real life women are neither of those artificial extremes.
So proud of EFAP! Watching along with the director himself? that is awesome!
Thank to the director for having a conversation with the fans, good stuff!
I'm glad "what'd ya bring me" hasn't died, my favorite show ever...we miss you ruby rose. Now, to go watch this movie, haven't seen it in years.
Wait you actually got the Descent director on here ? Is this the first time you do something like this? I've ALWAYS dreamed some day a director who isn't a bitch would be willing to join EFAP and give some input on their work, without fear of criticism. This is amazing.
Drinker and Nerdrotic got those connections!
(I hope that someday Mauler will be able to contact some big names - that'd be so cool! Although, he has in regard to big names online, that doesn't compare imo)
Tbf, this is one of the best horror movies of all time. Not like he’s gunna take much criticism.
Ah yes, "The Decent". The film that has given me an irrational fear of metal cylinders.
swords are just weird metal cylinders.
@@davidmendez3899 Outside of not being cylindrical...
@@KaNoMikoProductions that’s why they’re weird
@@davidmendez3899 You mean like how bread is just weird wheat bacon?
The Descent is one of the best horror films of all time. Super excited for this!
@@Amarenamann he said "one of"... at least read it two times before reply
This is a very special EFAP movies episode. Being able to watch a movie WITH its director is a very cool opportunity
Thanks to Drinker for having the connections to make this possible.
One step closer to a efap movies Man of Steel 2nd gig with Russell Crowe where Fringy going “oh my god it’s Russell Crowe. Oh my god it’s Russell Crowe.”
Mauler holding back his fanboyness is funny to hear
Man, this is so awesome. Neil has been a favourite director of mine for ages.
The Descent was my fist proper horror film, and I loved how it did things subtly to build tension.
Congratulations EFAP for this wonderful guest and content. Always nice to see this little corner of the internet grow and produce some of the best content out there. Best wishes for the future from Italy!
This EFAP was amazing. One of my favourite films. My interpretation when I first saw the film was that the 'descent' wasn't the friends going down in to the caves, but Sarah's descent in to madness as she becomes feral. You could argue by the end she is worse than the crawlers - they kill to survive and its all they have ever known, where as Sarah chose to murder Juno and in the most vengeful way she could.
Man, first Mark Milar, now Neil Marshall hanging with MauLer and Co? Wondering how long it takes for another Big Shot of their caliber to come on.
Which one was mark millar on?
@@bZmanwas he asked about The Unfunnies?
@@bZman "The Real BBC w/ Mark Millar!! Snow Brown, Box Office Craziness!!"
Imagine getting Russel Crowe through Drinker.
I’m glad to see one of the last great horror movies celebrated. Horror today is all jump scares and nonsense but this is one of the greats. Brilliant.
Sinister was very good
Parts of it were good but the main baddy looked like an icp reject. Hilariously bad
There are tonnes of cliche jumpscares in this film though.
When this came out I don’t think there was such an over saturation of GENERIC jump scares…it’s not so much that jumpscares are bad but it’s how they are used. I’d say the reason we consider jumpscares as cliche or bad is because they are used mechanically, generically, lacking in creativity.
Some of the jump scares in this (while still being jumpscares) are creative and interesting. You can call them cliche if you want, maybe they are…but I’d argue these jumpscares are better than the “open a closet door, then when it’s closed reveal a spooky behind the door” type jumpscares.
I could say more but comment is long already.
I've never heard about The Descent, but EFAP line-ups are great and getting the director of a movie to watch his own movie and talk about it is even greater!
This is a great look into how a masterpiece is made. Quality work gives so much from study.
like you I also never believed, but look around you. We're trapped in the Sumerian temple.
This should be included on the DVD extra for The Descent. Such a great listen.
This is great under appreciated movie. A simple premise with devasting results that doesn't try to be anything it's not.
Why do you guys have to hate everything? I’m sick of all this negativity.
I would absolutely love an efap of “As Above, So Below”. It’s similar in some aspects.
Not nearly as well executed it still good
Neil if by any chance you read this, I had one of the best movie viewing experiences with this film.
I had a few friends over my last year of college and didn’t really get a ton of great reactions from them for a lot of the movies I played for them. The only one that got a rise out of them though, was the Descent. The overall experience was tense enough from what I remember, but I showed them the uncut version and when it cuts back to her in the cave, one of my friends let out this visceral “NOO…” and had the most shocked look on her face. It was such an instinctive noise and it was the giddiest I’ve ever felt showing anybody a horror movie. You made something great here sir and cinema’s better off for it, thanks to you and the crew.
I spent my evening watching the descent for the first time, and then this. And what a glorious evening it was!
I love the intro. Really drives home how special this is and made me grab drinks and snacks because I knew this was an event.
Looking forward to this, one of my fav plain fun films.
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Would love a EFAP of *DOG SOLDIERS* 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
They 100% NEED to do an EFAP movies on Dog Soldiers
Absolutely My Friend 👍 😀
I loved watching the extended edition Lord of the Rings movies with both the cast commentary and the writer/director commentary. You get so many great little details and insights. This was even a step beyond that with the interactive discussion. Very cool.
Genuinely never thought of the interpretation that the crawlers weren't real. I loved this film a lot so it never would have crossed my mind they would be doing that dumbass "it was all in the main character's head the whole time" trope. I really really hope Neil Marshall only started paying respect to that idea after reading an essay about it and being impressed by the argumentation. I just can't believe he would have been thinking that during filming.
I think its pretty clear from the way he talked about it that it wasnt his intention but he likes that people can come away with different interpretations.
Congratulations to EFAP! May this be the beginning of many great things!
Long ago in the days of the spider oracles, it was said that one day a director would guest on efap, at long last the massive spiders have been proven correct once more.
This was great! One of the best Efap Movies to date, that's for sure. Thank you Neil for making this great film and Drinker, for making this happen.
Really nice for Neil to pit all that time in this. Best commentary track imaginable.
This was the last film I saw in the theater which legit SCARED me to death! Love The Descent and one of the scariest films ever. Seeing this in the theater, for me, is a badge of honor.
This is remarkable. I would love for this to continue. Next do Fallout with Cristopher McQuarrie.
Lovely to hear Mr Marshall on EFAP. Thanks Mauler, great work
Neil is a treasure, and it's a pleasure to see his perspective on things. Thank you, sir, for coming onto EFAP.
There is so much to love about this movie but I REALLY love the dialogue between the characters. Every single line feels perfectly in character. I have to wonder how many times the dialogue was redrafted and how much of it was a team effort between actor and director. I love this movie so much.
Man, guess I have to go watch this movie really quick. Be back to catch the rest of this later!
It's only a matter of time before we get EFAP Movies TROS with JJ Abrams
I mean... Wow! What a gift of a piece of content.
Thanks for the effort to make that happen.
This was such a treat, thank you, Neill and everyone.
Will watch your movies for sure, Neil... keep making movies that respect your viewers...
Holy shit, the salt "waterfall" is genius.
You know the director really had a great experience with this project when he still remembers so many details even after all of this time. You can tell they're memories he cherishes.
Thank you EFAP crew for making this happen! Special mention to Drinker for getting them in touch with Mr. Marshall and Mr. Marshall for taking the time to not melting this timeline out of the multiverse.
Outstanding video and great watch-along, thank you Neil for hoppinh on EFAP.
Imagine instead of spending money on dated CGI you used real sets and miniatures in your movies. Imagine caring about your script and allowing characters to be developed and give actors a chance to actually be in the mind of their character and allowing adjustments. Imagine letting your audience engage with the film and get to know your characters and not undercutting them emotionally every 5 seconds. Look Disney, I saved you $100,000,000 and improved your movies by 3 points automatically, hire me.
Watched this film yesterday at the group's recommendation and i'm very glad I did, it was an amazing experience.
It's also odd to watch it after so long due to two things, the Internet Historian's video on the spelunker who got trapped in the cave which shows how bad things can really get in these expeditions. And the second being Emesis Blue, the TF2 movie which seems to follow a lot of the same principles when it comes to shot composition and lighting with a similar plot of a character slowly losing their sanity.
This is one of my favorite EFAP movies so far!
I, in fact, did pause the video and go watch it.
Well, that was absolutely horrifying.
Very special indeed, and very very much appreciated!
"I've been looking forward to this."
- Count Dooku
A couple of his movies and shows have been on my radar for a while, Dog Soldiers, and Black Sails namely. But I didn't know he directed them until Mauler pointed them out.
I watched this one back in the day at a friends house when we had a movie night, must have been almost twenty years ago. Nice blast from the past.
My brother and I watched Dog Soldiers a couple of times and we absolutely loved it!!!
Waaaaiiiit!!!
The Lost in Space? The one where my brother and I looked at eachother while not even have gone through the first episode and then agreeing - We're watching something else!
Wow!
He just lost so much in my eyes...
Yooooooo that friendly fire scene made me tear up... omfg bro. I fuckin love this movie.
FUCK now homegirl has to do the deed right after that!? Omfg.
That was the best EFAP movie watch... hands-down!
4 guys who are massive fans of a film sit down with the Director of the film.... aaaaaand go.
Holy crow the jump scare at 54:24 got me even though I figured it was coming based on MauLer's reaction. I think I'll stick to experiencing horror movies this way. I'd never make it through otherwise! 😰 This was a fascinating watch, thank you!
Top tier EFAP Movies, great film, great panel, amazing to have the director. Not only that he seems like such a genuine guy with nothing but love for his craft and someone who takes pride in his work. Top notch show gents 👏
And now we wait for the EFAP movies LotR revisit featuring Peter Jackson and Howard Shore!
This is the turning point, if they can get this director, there is hope to be able to get even more high-profile individuals from the entertainment industry. He may not be Steven Spielberg but it's one step closer. This is truly monumental.
What an absolute lad Neil Marshall is, what an absolutely down-to-earth fellow. Great sense of humor, too.
The descent will certainly go down in history...
Looks great!! I looooooove me some EFAP movies!! I'm glad they're starting to come out more often now 👍🏻😁
This is fantastic! As this is one of my favorite movies as well, listening to this will be a joy for sure.
Salim: you come to join the fun.. hihihaha..
Got this movie and sanctum confused in my head during movie night with my kids. Mistakes were made, nightmares were had. Totally worth it.
super cool the guys were able to get marshall on for this, im not a "horror movies guy" but i always looked back fondly on the descent and the play by play from the director himself was very interesting.
Damn... when I saw this, I had to go back and watch the Drinkers interview with Neil Marshall.
And I thought it was gonna be a bad day! I saw this with my grandpa in theaters we loved it!!!
Neil Marshall is one of the finest directors we have ever produced
What an awesome episode! Neil seems like a great guy!
This was incredible- I really love this film- great insight with the director- thanks EFAP. I saw this movie with my at the time girlfriend who said to “You’re squeezing my hand too hard” 😅 this freaked me out and I loved it.