Diddy should get more fault for taking Biggie out to LA that soon after Pac’s murder. The situation was too hot. Cali should’ve been a no fly zone to Bad Boy for at least two years.
Actually word I feel ya I think that’s the only thing Diddy should be guilty of same with Suge and Pac in Vegas should’ve been in ATL instead knowing Pac had relatives there
The most important verse of Tupac is this: "Promised if I have a seed, I'ma guide him right, please Lord dont let me die 2night!" This verse is always in my mind from Makaveli album and now that I am father of three young ones, this is realer than ever. If you love Tupac and his legacy, please be kind and real to your children and to every child you meet, so maybe we could build a generation that will not loose Tupac of their own, like we did. Remember: The Hate U Give Little Infants Fucks Everybody.
Suge has already said that Biggie shouted out the Crips who killed Pac on his album and then rapping Long Kiss on the radio, in LA, in 96 was fucking suicidal.
The album dropped after big died. He did freestyle some lyrics to long kiss. The set up was already in motion by that point. You took one of mine, imma take one of yours
Biggie will still be alive if Diddy wasn’t so arrogant. The LA trip should never have happened. LA just lost Pac 6 months ago and you bring biggie out to LA for a whole damn week. Smfh I always blame diddy for Biggie death.
No Disrespect Pac Gone Biggie Would've Got Hit Up No Matter What Rather It Was 6 Months Or A Year He Is Pac Number 1 Enemy Taking Pac Spot No Way Biggie Was Going 2 Live Biggie Was Going Down
@Савамалац Бгд In an attempt to assassinate Tupac/Suge’s characters the powers that be attempted to make it out like Suge had something to do with his death and that Pac just randomly walked up and swung on Orlando. What they don’t often talk about is certain people that were actually involved said Orlando was antagonizing Suge from a distance. THAT’S why Pac ran up on him. This wasn’t coincidence. If Orlando just wanted revenge him and his people could have went up and shot at any Death Row affiliates. They made it a point to try and shoot at Suge’s car (Suge also got hit in the head that night) This was an assassination attempt not on Pac but in fact ON SUGE. That man was the most powerful black man in the music business and a known blood. Who’s behind the setup, I couldn’t tell you.....
@@dawb86 Yeah, but people often forget that Orlando said to Suge: Fuck you and your money. Tupac was his money and by assasinating Tupac they buried Suge also. If they approached by left side, Suge would be dead. I still cant understand til this day, how a beat down turned to murder in retaliation. If this was regular gangbanging turn of event, than they should know better. But neither Suge or Pac werent real gang bangers.
I feel like the two at fault for Biggie and 2Pacs death are the ones that are still alive, Suge and Puff. Suge for having his number one artist involved in that gang life and Puff for not having the common sense to stay out of LA. For guys that grew up in the streets they sure didn't know anything about consequence.
I say the only thing Suge and Diddy are guilty of are being in the wrong places but no gang involvement was involved in their deaths only crooked cops was
@@Wickedblackjuggalo19 I think they both had something to do with it because I feel pac and big both was gone leave their label and they was worth more dead then alive pac could easily had left he won’t actually signed to death row only problem was all the money suge said he owed him
@Rico Pierre And the LA niggas that killed pac was working homeboy security for bad boy + word on the street bad boy put a bag on pac head which later on it ended up being true
@Rico Pierre and they all knew about the “bounty” on chains, the streets know everything, unreal they were moving like that 6 months after Tupac is murdered, and I think big did that “nobody till somebody kills you” rap on a radio station, not sure.
It wasn't Biggie idea to go to LA. That was Puffy idea to promote Life After Death album. But Biggie being overly cocky going there is what got him killed. He was being too loose knowing 2pac died 5 months prior to him coming. And him not showing any remorse or sympathy of 2pac death and proceed to diss him on the radio show all at the same time. Hate that he had to go out like that. But he signed his own death certificate doing that.
@@hubhub27 indeed they did, Pac didn't know death was awaiting for him after he stomped Orlando Anderson. Biggie knew better to come to LA and act the way he did without paying the price.
Big syke big kato big surge mental illness monook big country was PAC’s homies from ivc since 92 the same with macadoshis and rated r from the rollin 40s
Biggie was supposed to go to London, England but cancelled that trip, big mistake! He should've waited a while like Voletta(Biggie's mother) said, she warned him and let him know she wasn't cool or comfortable with him in California and to leave asap.
Biggie Got Wayyy Too Comfortable in Cali lol But I Blame Diddy For That For Pushing Biggie to Promote His Next Album. It’s Always About Money With Diddy, Wether He Keeps You or Let’s You Go. It’s Always Money First Too Him, Ignoring Safety First 🤦🏻♂️
@@shaunwilliams9511 no sir. Your statement is inaccurate. They was in the death era. All the rappers were speaking about death at that time and you know this from Bone Thugs-N-Harmony to ice cubes. Death was the Super Hot Topic back then
Honestly that speaks to their character more than anything and makes me side eye the past events that transpired in New York. Going to LA acting like it's all good, going on the radio dissing Pac... it was just bound to happen, bad boy ties to southside crips made them feel untouchable and they were rudely mistaken. It all eventually catches up to you if you continue to participate in that life don't matter who you are.
Keefe D said in his VladTV that he suspected Puffy(courtesy of Von Zip) deliberately attempted to pit the Crips(SSC) vs Bloods(Mob Pirus because he was scared of Suge and needed protection in the LA Streets. From what Flexx is saying, it does might seem like Big may have thought he wouldn't get got because he had the Crips on his side
for sure. the more truths you see you understand it's simple dumb hood bullshit ur 100% right with Southside ties they felt more than good and after all the low down shit pac was doin in that beef after he got killed big and them really didnt give a fuck. 20 years later we look at them as greats because of their lyrics and emotions because they are and always will be. but in real life they were alll fresh out the streets with some money in the pocket with scammers and rats and everything in between in the mix
Both BIG and Pac underestimated the situation they were both in, both felt they were untouchable with their affiliations, rappers should stick to rapping leave the street shit to the street guys, 2 mistakes caused 2 tragedies within the hip hop world and to both families and friends
Pac made it clear from day 1 that all he wanted was the proper etiquette from his friend after the shooting in NY(which he never got). Had he been a real one like Tupac was to him, he would still be alive today. Pac was killed by loyalty(it's on camera) but Biggie we could argue was killed by a lack of loyalty to his "friend".
Biggie warned Tupac about the guys Pac was hanging with but Pac “kept it real” and got caught up. Pac was a grown ass man making his own decision. Big job was to give him the information which he did do. Pac had no one but himself to blame at that point.
When you think about all this it’s sad because it didn’t have to end like that for neither of them, we lost 2 great talented black men. They had more growing to do.
Diddy sacrificed Biggie. There were no east vs west beef. If it really was, Diddy wouldn’t dare to go to LA. Diddy sacrificed Biggie. Just listen to what Diddys former bodyguard says about all this stuff. He got his own TH-cam channel. Eugene ”Big Gene” Deal
I dont buy that. Big was literally Puffs flagship artist, he had no other big hitters on that label at that time. Doesnt make sense to deliberately lose him.
It sounds cute and all but that makes no sense. He put his own life in danger as well. Big was by far his biggest artist. Even though 97 was a huge year for him his label really fell off in a big way after that
It's interesting that aside from B.I.G being at the Peterson Music Vibe Party, There are No other pictures that surfaced showing B.I.G hanging out in Cali. In 20 + years no fan has come forward saying I saw big hanging out or have a pictures of him or with him while he was in California
BIGGIE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER AFTER THE E-40 SITUATION!!! BIGGIE GOT THE DOGG POUND SHOT AT DURING THE NEW YORK, NEW YORK VIDEO!! HE KNEW THE WEST COAST WAS BOUT THAT LIFE!!!
Those r straight facts my G... I also feel that it was Karma catchin up to Big after that New York, New York video incident. How he gonna think shit like that would just slide?? Like niggaz would forget. Then you come to the West Coast so arrogant like everything was Peaches... Sad, but what goes around, comes back around 10 fold
I heard Biggie did something similar in Baltimore. Talked negative about the city or something and then went and performed in front of a crowd and they weren't having that.
Biggie ain't scared of that gang sh*t, he been around it, y'all remember when he faced 2pac, Suge and the Mob with southside while Buffy the Snake ran immediately like a b*tch
On -LONG KISS GOODNIGHT- Biggie inadvertently predicted his own death date while discreetly mentioned 2pac in a lyric and changing his prison sentence (doubling) for plausible deniability. “Slugs hit your chest, tap your spine, flatline Heard through the grapevine, you got fucked four times Damn that THREE to NINE , fucked you up for real though Sling steel slow, as for remorse, we feel no.” BIG died 3/9 Three/Nine
So Tru, as I look back Biggie's short career, he or the people in his camp concept of timing was all fucked up.. he'd dropped "Who Shot You" way too soon after Pac got shot as well as making the untimely decision to go to Cali after Pac's death
Big knew that was very disrespectful to come to Cali that soon after PAC passing. And that Long Kiss GoodnNight was very disrespectful after PAC pass a real man would have did the record when PAC was a live.
Man by now if y'all don't tear up when listening to these stories about the big and pac situation, I have to question your love for hip hop and humanity.
He made a real statement about under estimating the gang culture on the West! . Now that I’ve moved away, I quietly listen to people speak on West gang life... they truly have NOOO idea. He lucky he had that cousin from CPT.
Thats what people in other parts of the country didn't understand in the 90s .Most didn't believe pac would get killed over beating a ngaz ass.At the time there were drive bys just like what happened to Pac up and down the west coast for far less back then a nga might pull a drive by over an assumed dirty look or just didn't like what you was wearing.I remember lots ofhomies got it in 96.
@@basilahmed4575 Guess they thought Menace to Society was a fantasy... Flipped upside down then shoes snnnnatched, starin at the wrong dude, or female 😂, for more than 4 seconds, wrong hat on a bright and sunny day and so on wouldn't got you murked quick, fast, and in a hurry. A non-affiliate stomping on a Real Compton city G? I knew in my gut that story wasn't just gonna die down quietly.... 90z Pico Blvd baby..
BIG signed his death warrant the second he finished that, "A long kiss goodnight" verse on that radio show in Oakland. Niggaz was already not feeling his "Who Shot Ya" song, although it was done before Pac got shot. But the moment he sung that on the west coast after Pac died, it was over for him.
Nigga was killed listening to his own sneak dissing track “I’m going going back back to Cali Cali and leaving in a body body bag” on top of that the nigga literally shit on himself he threw life away over sneak dissing niggas he took that pass that e40 gave him for granted and didn’t learn from his mistakes 🤦🏾♂️
Hate when dudes say Tupac "shouldn't have done this or that ... " Tupac knew what he was getting himself into and the possible outcomes (including his demise), it's right there in his music like a manifesto!
I get what people mean tho. Its more like they wish he hadnt have done... whatever, then he may still be alive and we would possibly still be enjoying his continuous work. I dont think theyre commenting on accountability when they say that
Flex seem like a real level-headed person even back then when he was explaining the stories and how he felt and what he was thinking real level-headed brother
That street life got a spirit in them folks don’t realize it until it’s to late Pac and Biggie was taken out so the game could become what it’s is today because people forget Stone Mountain/Atl has always had major love for pac especially the mound because his center was down the street from my crib we Bbq at the value mall on his birthday the hood comes together and celebrate
The streets been knew. I’m glad he said that,being in the streets in the 90s was just different. lil kids from south side I’m talking about 12 to 13 use to brag about it back then.
The reality is I'm sad both the brothers passing the way that they did mistakes was made on both sides cuz they was young men if I had any advice for anybody if you was able to live past 25 years old be thankful love your people and try to make the right decisions out here.... Rest in peace to all the fallen soldiers all the innocent people who passed away.... The politics get the innocent killed and also cause collateral damage hip hop will never recover if it does it'll take another 50 years and that's the unfortunate part
Im surprised BadBoy didn't think Jflex set them up since Big got shot 20 minutes after Flex talk to them,that would've been the first thing cross my mind lol.
Thats what i was thinking too. At the same time if the Poochie/Suge theory is true then Jflex was obviously not aware of what was about to happen (if he approached them for a feature)
Biggie sealed his fate once his plane landed in LA! That was pure stupidity, pure ignorance and felt way too much like mocking. Everyone knew he wasn’t going to leave LA in one piece once he landed. He thought he was going to get away with disrespecting Pac at a tender moment in HIS city; BIG DAMN MISTAKE! Play stupid games, win stupid prizes!! 🤷🏾♀️
The maddest thing is the hit was already put on Biggie the moment He landed in LA. He just speeded things up and put the petrol on fire by dissing 2Pac on the radio. Got zero sympathy for Him. As you said play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
@@kevinlee9929 wrong pac was told to do hit em up so they could do death row east coast he was told to address who he had beef with in one song cause he couldn't keep saying ny. also this is the result for puff not sending a rep to the meeting to squash the beef
@@go-ut1pc Suge told Pac to make the Makaveli album a diss album from start to finish. Was it? Suge told Pac to come out the gate going in on people on All Eyez On Me. Did he? But y'all treat this grown man like he was a kid. Ish is pathetic.
I was 12 when i first heard Life After Death, i then immediately stole the disk's from my sisters boyfriend... ; ) and BRO that was it! I was hooked for life! .........B.I.G then to find Tupac, Big L, Big Pun, Nas, Jay Z, DMX, and on, and on, and on!
These old school stories are too intriguing. Its fascinating to hear first hand, detailed account of what went down. Go back 10 years and information was limited! 🤔💯
same thing will happen in this new era..20 years from now, we will hear stories about what's going on now. people feel more comfortable speaking their truths after time has passed. usually, time heals all wounds..and no one can get indicted because of statue of limitations..and after 20 years, it's just easier to speak on things...10 years ago, things were still sort of fresh.
@@sabot4ge appreciate what you're saying g, but there were only a few documentaries with snippets of first hand account, whereas now TH-cam give people like Jflex, BG NOC etc the platform to tell their story. Go back 10 years and the truth surrounding Pac's death was still a mystery, but of course now the truth is out there and the details of what occured. 💯✌
@Rico Pierre Blame Pac for what? Big was a ignorant to come to L. A too soon after 2pac death and do a song Back to Cali. Big should have more security with him. 2pac never wanted Bog death. Big and Puff Daddy felt very comfortable. And Big was singing to Diss to the pac on the radio in l.a.Ys Big fans have to see that was Big's mistake, he should be using bulletproof vest, or he felt untouchable not using.
@Rico Pierre Big was never a saint. Maybe you do not know but the guard Coast of Puff Daddy killed the best friend of the Sorge at a party in 94.Sugue said that Puff sent someone talking to him but he refused, because he said that blood pays himself with blood. What do you fans of Big do not realize is that Suge has already wanted revenge for his friend.And he took the opportunity when Big came to L.A. Puff put Big in a difficult situation, because Big's death was revenge for the assassination of Suge's best friend. Suge was always waiting to avenge his best friend's death. Many people do not know this story but join the pieces you can see that the puff already had blood in the hands.
Im from Texas and i knew bacc then that biggie (r.i.p) wuz tripping going to the west coast......streets is the streets...especially bac then ..nobody is untouchable
“By that time pac was already dead and suge was locked up” damn bro no loyalty lol this guy is cool and all but that particular comment didn’t sit well
@@klerktrent6226 which by definition means he had no loyalty to death row right? I’m not laying into him over that but I’m just being honest hearing him say how he figured hey pac is dead suge is in jail I might as well walk over to the opposition table and see if I can get in good with them something about that doesn’t sit well with me personally .
@@klerktrent6226 nah I mean based on his story of his time on the row he had his reasons too so I see both sides but I feel like damn what did he really expect was going to happen lol imagine biggie didn’t get murdered that night and this guy actually met up with biggie and did some work....even though suge was in jail do you really think that would have been accepted by death row ?
@@ramind824 The hell was any artist really gonna do at Death Row by that point? With its flagship artist dead and no CEO to oversee daily business, it was a sinking ship. Anybody who stayed, drowned. Lol.
I think Quad studios started Pac down a different road.I think it did something to his mindset. He is one of the people in history I wish I could sit and have a conversation with. The world didn't get to experience a 10th of what was in that dude.
Let's not forget Puffy once said he was tired of "living like this and didnt care who had to die", im paraphrasing, but he was sick of all of it and was cool with Pac and Big dying so he'd get some relief, its some dirty shit.
Cant remember which documentary it was but, King Tech was saying the exact same thing bout how reckless Biggie was moving around L.A. He said he thought it was kinda "cocky" that he'd just see Big, Cease, and sum chicks riding around town. He wasn't dissing Big, he was just saying that Big didn't seem to understand how serious it was out here.
It was notorious big bigger than life documentary where king tech talked about Biggie in LA and being cocky...plus king tech spit some knowledge about being in LA having contacts and protection..also king tech said Biggie was riding with cease and some girls...he was like man that’s kind of cocky i wouldn’t do that..peeps asked king tech was Biggie his friend and he said yes...they told king tech to tell Biggie out of LA ..true story..
@@BabsW IDK why people can't believe this. Its clear as day thats what he was doing. After what happened in New York he wanted some guys that he knew was with the ish and found them in Suge and the MOB Pirus.
Puffy should have known better, the day Biggie was shot, I told my ex girlfriend that it was a fatal mistake for Biggie to go to LA this soon after the war between Death Row and Bad Boy, I blame Puffy for that, he should have known better
The homey said, I said, “Damn I could’ve been there.” Then I watched it later and said, “Damn I could’ve been there!!!!”
Willie D!! 💪
No mo talk!
Damn shame yo!
Oh snap! it's the guy who makes big money & drives big cars! Everybody know me (him), it's like he a movie star!
You better say it!!!!
Diddy should get more fault for taking Biggie out to LA that soon after Pac’s murder. The situation was too hot. Cali should’ve been a no fly zone to Bad Boy for at least two years.
big was a grown man and rapped his diss on LA airwaves, both of them are marks.
They were trying 2 prove a point, cuz Pac was in New York.
Actually word I feel ya I think that’s the only thing Diddy should be guilty of same with Suge and Pac in Vegas should’ve been in ATL instead knowing Pac had relatives there
@@Wickedblackjuggalo19 ATL wasn't popping in the rap scene back then like it is now. It wasn't worth being there.
Death row don’t own LA
The most important verse of Tupac is this: "Promised if I have a seed, I'ma guide him right, please Lord dont let me die 2night!" This verse is always in my mind from Makaveli album and now that I am father of three young ones, this is realer than ever. If you love Tupac and his legacy, please be kind and real to your children and to every child you meet, so maybe we could build a generation that will not loose Tupac of their own, like we did. Remember: The Hate U Give Little Infants Fucks Everybody.
@DW International 🥶
@DW International is pac in Egypt 😂
Loved this bro
WELL said
Pac was a Prophet. Only Rapper that had emotional Music to connect to. He poured his heart onto the paper.
Suge has already said that Biggie shouted out the Crips who killed Pac on his album and then rapping Long Kiss on the radio, in LA, in 96 was fucking suicidal.
Facts 💯
"My team in the marine blue"
Where's proof Suge said this
@David anthony Brown He didnt realize how real the gang culture in LA is. But that whole beef was unfortunate
The album dropped after big died.
He did freestyle some lyrics to long kiss.
The set up was already in motion by that point.
You took one of mine, imma take one of yours
He should’ve listened to his mother she had a bad feeling about it
@AlaysiaPerry yes he should have Listened to her, Subscribe to My Channel Plus Follow My Twitter Malcolmj_214 and Follow My Instagram Malcolm_j111
@whytheracecardisplayed it’s not an opinion it’s fact it was still too early after pac got killed stupid
@whytheracecardisplayed that female was his mother. Period dot.
That’s why she couldn’t even cry when she got the news she already knew so sad
Women opinions count 💖👍
Biggie will still be alive if Diddy wasn’t so arrogant. The LA trip should never have happened. LA just lost Pac 6 months ago and you bring biggie out to LA for a whole damn week. Smfh I always blame diddy for Biggie death.
Not sure how long he was in LA for, but he was in Cali (including the Bay Area) for about a month.
Biggie was arrogant also, making light of Tupac death. Saying stuff like he not that powerful yet to get Tupac kilt.
Puff had Blue on payroll.
No Disrespect Pac Gone Biggie Would've Got Hit Up No Matter What Rather It Was 6 Months Or A Year He Is Pac Number 1 Enemy Taking Pac Spot No Way Biggie Was Going 2 Live Biggie Was Going Down
Fax. I wonder if Diddy blames himself on the low.
Wow!!! So Gene Deal was telling the truth about the dude that came up to them with a Death Row chain. So this was the dude!
What u thought he was lying Unc G keeps it real all day every day
@@MrBmxe2010 Facts 💯💯
Gene Deal never struck me as a liar in the first place.
In what interview does he mention it ?
@@thatoneguy4150 the last big night it’s a three part documentaries on the night and last days of big
It's interesting to me that the near universal reaction to 2Pac being shot in Vegas was that he would pull through like he did before.
I remember it, A lot of people don't realise even the News was reporting that he was expected to survive.
Yep, he was larger than life at that time. Its still unclear why he attacked Orlando, when cameras were all over and he was on bail?
@Савамалац Бгд In an attempt to assassinate Tupac/Suge’s characters the powers that be attempted to make it out like Suge had something to do with his death and that Pac just randomly walked up and swung on Orlando. What they don’t often talk about is certain people that were actually involved said Orlando was antagonizing Suge from a distance. THAT’S why Pac ran up on him. This wasn’t coincidence. If Orlando just wanted revenge him and his people could have went up and shot at any Death Row affiliates. They made it a point to try and shoot at Suge’s car (Suge also got hit in the head that night) This was an assassination attempt not on Pac but in fact ON SUGE. That man was the most powerful black man in the music business and a known blood. Who’s behind the setup, I couldn’t tell you.....
@@dawb86 Yeah, but people often forget that Orlando said to Suge: Fuck you and your money. Tupac was his money and by assasinating Tupac they buried Suge also. If they approached by left side, Suge would be dead. I still cant understand til this day, how a beat down turned to murder in retaliation. If this was regular gangbanging turn of event, than they should know better. But neither Suge or Pac werent real gang bangers.
@@tupacshakur1909 No one will be like Pac, he got that Elvis Presley, Bob Marley, James Dean status... He knew that he will be a legend.
I feel like the two at fault for Biggie and 2Pacs death are the ones that are still alive, Suge and Puff. Suge for having his number one artist involved in that gang life and Puff for not having the common sense to stay out of LA. For guys that grew up in the streets they sure didn't know anything about consequence.
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I’m a big ass pac fan, But he asked for it!
I say the only thing Suge and Diddy are guilty of are being in the wrong places but no gang involvement was involved in their deaths only crooked cops was
My sentiments exactly
@@Wickedblackjuggalo19 I think they both had something to do with it because I feel pac and big both was gone leave their label and they was worth more dead then alive pac could easily had left he won’t actually signed to death row only problem was all the money suge said he owed him
Biggie was flexing on the radio in California also. Long Kiss goodnight sealed the deal.
Agree!
He wanted to play with the devil, got what he asked for.
@@ItsAnEndlessWorld so did pac
@@King-ns6dw get yo hating a** on somewhere.
@@PrettyRxccy go and fuck yourself you pac groupies are too caught up in your feelings
Biggie shouldn't have been anywhere near LA that soon after Pac got bombed on.
@Rico Pierre And the LA niggas that killed pac was working homeboy security for bad boy + word on the street bad boy put a bag on pac head which later on it ended up being true
@Rico Pierre and they all knew about the “bounty” on chains, the streets know everything, unreal they were moving like that 6 months after Tupac is murdered, and I think big did that “nobody till somebody kills you” rap on a radio station, not sure.
@Rico Pierre crooked cops killed 2Pac
@@KayoticDaGod No they didn't.
@@alanflores2714 He did Long Kiss Goodnight.
It wasn't Biggie idea to go to LA. That was Puffy idea to promote Life After Death album. But Biggie being overly cocky going there is what got him killed. He was being too loose knowing 2pac died 5 months prior to him coming. And him not showing any remorse or sympathy of 2pac death and proceed to diss him on the radio show all at the same time. Hate that he had to go out like that. But he signed his own death certificate doing that.
To Promote an Album for a month in enemy territory 4 months after Pac passed. It was kind taunting to me.
Pac and Biggie both made bad decisions before they passed.
@@hubhub27
indeed they did, Pac didn't know death was awaiting for him after he stomped Orlando Anderson. Biggie knew better to come to LA and act the way he did without paying the price.
How did he diss pac on the radio?
I feel like biggies long kiss goodnight freestyle live on LA radio is what really did it
Pac knew about LA gangs before he came to Row. He was chilin with Big Syke and some dudes from Thug Life circle they were crips.
Underground
40 Crip and imperial village
Big syke big kato big surge mental illness monook big country was PAC’s homies from ivc since 92 the same with macadoshis and rated r from the rollin 40s
@@soulfood8748 you can’t lie
Though Pac switched sides like a transformer
@@KayoticDaGod i don't know about LA but u get killed in Chicago for shit like that
Biggie was supposed to go to London, England but cancelled that trip, big mistake! He should've waited a while like Voletta(Biggie's mother) said, she warned him and let him know she wasn't cool or comfortable with him in California and to leave asap.
Puffy got his flight canceled
Your right. A Motha intuition is always right.
Biggie Got Wayyy Too Comfortable in Cali lol But I Blame Diddy For That For Pushing Biggie to Promote His Next Album. It’s Always About Money With Diddy, Wether He Keeps You or Let’s You Go. It’s Always Money First Too Him, Ignoring Safety First 🤦🏻♂️
But you’re ok with biggie dropping who shot ya at the time he was shot in Ny
Biggie was ready to die. He accomplished everything he wanted to accomplish in life. He explains it deeply in his music
@@mrcheeseheadb8380 Btw I’m a Pac Fan So I’m Always Choosing Pac Over Biggie, So Nah I Wasn’t Cool With That
@@geraldjohnson9352 he got that mind set from pac. the death concept was Pac's idea.
@@shaunwilliams9511 no sir. Your statement is inaccurate. They was in the death era. All the rappers were speaking about death at that time and you know this from Bone Thugs-N-Harmony to ice cubes. Death was the Super Hot Topic back then
Honestly that speaks to their character more than anything and makes me side eye the past events that transpired in New York. Going to LA acting like it's all good, going on the radio dissing Pac... it was just bound to happen, bad boy ties to southside crips made them feel untouchable and they were rudely mistaken. It all eventually catches up to you if you continue to participate in that life don't matter who you are.
Keefe D said in his VladTV that he suspected Puffy(courtesy of Von Zip) deliberately attempted to pit the Crips(SSC) vs Bloods(Mob Pirus because he was scared of Suge and needed protection in the LA Streets. From what Flexx is saying, it does might seem like Big may have thought he wouldn't get got because he had the Crips on his side
for sure. the more truths you see you understand it's simple dumb hood bullshit ur 100% right with Southside ties they felt more than good and after all the low down shit pac was doin in that beef after he got killed big and them really didnt give a fuck. 20 years later we look at them as greats because of their lyrics and emotions because they are and always will be. but in real life they were alll fresh out the streets with some money in the pocket with scammers and rats and everything in between in the mix
Both BIG and Pac underestimated the situation they were both in, both felt they were untouchable with their affiliations, rappers should stick to rapping leave the street shit to the street guys, 2 mistakes caused 2 tragedies within the hip hop world and to both families and friends
Agree 💯
@@DaGrimmOneOfficial And still to this day we have rappers dying because of it.
Pac made it clear from day 1 that all he wanted was the proper etiquette from his friend after the shooting in NY(which he never got). Had he been a real one like Tupac was to him, he would still be alive today. Pac was killed by loyalty(it's on camera) but Biggie we could argue was killed by a lack of loyalty to his "friend".
Biggie warned Tupac about the guys Pac was hanging with but Pac “kept it real” and got caught up. Pac was a grown ass man making his own decision. Big job was to give him the information which he did do. Pac had no one but himself to blame at that point.
@@bigj7844
Shit, *Mike Tyson* even warned him! Lots of people did. But Pac never stuck me as the kinda nigga to listen to anybody...
@@bigj7844 exactly
People in LA felt it was arrogant for. Biggie to come to LA so soon after pac got smoked. Terrible decision
I think they felt like that thinking southside was protecting them,
NY niggas are arrogant 🤷🏿♂️
@@xavierx120 facts bro even pop smoke was acting like he owned la
It's not that we Arrogant we Real and Fearless and sometimes that gets us in Bad predicaments🤷
he was broke ,puff paid him to come
Biggie was probably at the movies watching Gridlocked too.
😂😂😂
Possibly came out in January, BIG ain’t die until March!
😂😂😂
Wow 💀
Lmfaooooooooooo
When you think about all this it’s sad because it didn’t have to end like that for neither of them, we lost 2 great talented black men. They had more growing to do.
Its fucked up. We didnt even get to scratch the surface of what they could have become.
Diddy sacrificed Biggie. There were no east vs west beef. If it really was, Diddy wouldn’t dare to go to LA.
Diddy sacrificed Biggie. Just listen to what Diddys former bodyguard says about all this stuff. He got his own TH-cam channel. Eugene ”Big Gene” Deal
I dont buy that. Big was literally Puffs flagship artist, he had no other big hitters on that label at that time.
Doesnt make sense to deliberately lose him.
It sounds cute and all but that makes no sense. He put his own life in danger as well. Big was by far his biggest artist. Even though 97 was a huge year for him his label really fell off in a big way after that
Diddy didn’t sacrifice him he just put a battery in his back
So this is who Gene Deal was referring to?
🎯
Yes
Yup
What did gene say abt him?
It's interesting that aside from B.I.G being at the Peterson Music Vibe Party, There are No other pictures that surfaced showing B.I.G hanging out in Cali. In 20 + years no fan has come forward saying I saw big hanging out or have a pictures of him or with him while he was in California
Bcuz mfer weren’t just toting cameras round like that, this was pre camera phone era!
Biggie wasn't as photogenic as Tupac. But he did at least 2 radio interviews in Cali, which you can find on TH-cam. 1 in the Bay Area and 1 in LA.
Feds got plenty of photos
@@BabsW and the rap city interview
What you talking about. There's videos of ppl talking about biggie visiting Compton/southside
Dude kinda swag similar to Ice Cube a lil bit! Salute
Ok so dre jumped from his one ghostwriter to other one with same swag
BIGGIE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER AFTER THE E-40 SITUATION!!!
BIGGIE GOT THE DOGG POUND SHOT AT DURING THE NEW YORK, NEW YORK VIDEO!!
HE KNEW THE WEST COAST WAS BOUT THAT LIFE!!!
@Rico Pierre FACTS. But do YOU go to LA wearing BLUE or RED? YOU GOT 2 KNOW YOUR SURROUNDINGS.
Those r straight facts my G... I also feel that it was Karma catchin up to Big after that New York, New York video incident. How he gonna think shit like that would just slide?? Like niggaz would forget. Then you come to the West Coast so arrogant like everything was Peaches... Sad, but what goes around, comes back around 10 fold
@@iamfree5981 THANK YOU!!! SOMEONE WITH COMMON SENSE TOTALLY UNDERSTANDING THE SITUATION💯
I heard Biggie did something similar in Baltimore. Talked negative about the city or something and then went and performed in front of a crowd and they weren't having that.
Biggie ain't scared of that gang sh*t, he been around it, y'all remember when he faced 2pac, Suge and the Mob with southside while Buffy the Snake ran immediately like a b*tch
Imagine if it was Puffy that got shot. And imagine if it was Suge that shot and died.
Pac would of made dozens of tribute songs for suge guessing big would of as well
If Suge knew Flexx was a ship jumper they would've Sam Sneed his ass too
Lol
@Rico Pierre ok...u prob a transformer too
Word Up, Loyalty Over Money
@@blasian_nate facts 💯
@@niijibrewgrippingrainbangi4087 you just scary
Biggie: I don’t make the decisions, speak to Puff..... Puff: Speak to Derick .....
Follow the money
I think he was referring to Deric "D Dot" Angelettie aka The Mad Rapper, who was head of in-house production at the time. Delegating.
On -LONG KISS GOODNIGHT- Biggie inadvertently predicted his own death date while discreetly mentioned 2pac in a lyric and changing his prison sentence (doubling) for plausible deniability.
“Slugs hit your chest, tap your spine, flatline
Heard through the grapevine, you got fucked four times
Damn that THREE to NINE , fucked you up for real though
Sling steel slow, as for remorse, we feel no.”
BIG died 3/9 Three/Nine
That diss was brutal if only he dropped something like that when pac was alive but to diss a deadman is just stone cold.
Big was dissing Pac on the whole Life After Death. Talking about House of Blues On Goin Back 2 Cali Big was outta pocket. Real niggas know
And the song long kiss good night
Real ones know biggie was riding on that beef he held the same tongue as snoop.. what he say ain’t what it is.
big up J-Flexx he has conducted himself very well throughout all these interviews!
Buffy talking bout holla at Derrick, You run the company f*ck you mean holla at Derrick SMH
I think he was referring to Derick "D Dot" aka The Mad Rapper, who was head of in-house production at the time.
So Tru, as I look back Biggie's short career, he or the people in his camp concept of timing was all fucked up.. he'd dropped "Who Shot You" way too soon after Pac got shot as well as making the untimely decision to go to Cali after Pac's death
The homey Karen seems to know when things are going down. She a real one!
Big knew that was very disrespectful to come to Cali that soon after PAC passing. And that Long Kiss GoodnNight was very disrespectful after PAC pass a real man would have did the record when PAC was a live.
Man by now if y'all don't tear up when listening to these stories about the big and pac situation, I have to question your love for hip hop and humanity.
Boy Biggie was fresh meat once he stepped into Cali and it was a done deal when he was poppin big shit on the radio
Great interview bro. Showing love from Brooklyn
When Biggie and Tupac died of conspiracy Hip Hop lost its Midas Touch!!! Much love too the younger generation ...Rest In Peace Legend.
I love how he tells the story twice
He made a real statement about under estimating the gang culture on the West! . Now that I’ve moved away, I quietly listen to people speak on West gang life... they truly have NOOO idea. He lucky he had that cousin from CPT.
Thats what people in other parts of the country didn't understand in the 90s .Most didn't believe pac would get killed over beating a ngaz ass.At the time there were drive bys just like what happened to Pac up and down the west coast for far less back then a nga might pull a drive by over an assumed dirty look or just didn't like what you was wearing.I remember lots ofhomies got it in 96.
Real Talk spoken Like someone Really From LA
@@basilahmed4575 Guess they thought Menace to Society was a fantasy... Flipped upside down then shoes snnnnatched, starin at the wrong dude, or female 😂, for more than 4 seconds, wrong hat on a bright and sunny day and so on wouldn't got you murked quick, fast, and in a hurry. A non-affiliate stomping on a Real Compton city G? I knew in my gut that story wasn't just gonna die down quietly....
90z Pico Blvd baby..
Love Your Channel And The Artist You Interview
BIG signed his death warrant the second he finished that, "A long kiss goodnight" verse on that radio show in Oakland. Niggaz was already not feeling his "Who Shot Ya" song, although it was done before Pac got shot. But the moment he sung that on the west coast after Pac died, it was over for him.
Shut up idiot
Nigga was killed listening to his own sneak dissing track “I’m going going back back to Cali Cali and leaving in a body body bag” on top of that the nigga literally shit on himself he threw life away over sneak dissing niggas he took that pass that e40 gave him for granted and didn’t learn from his mistakes 🤦🏾♂️
@@soulfood8748 💀💀
GOOD CONTENT JFLEXX
Its crazy cause im from chicago and i remember when they announced he died i was 9 and right after they played the same song "life goes on"😏
Love your channel bro ✊🏿
So when Gene Deal was talking about the dude with the Death Row pendant he was talking about J Flexx. Wow interesting.
Ultimately this was a big loss for Hiphop , 7:20 , it had a few good years after but we all know how its changed to todays music it took a turn
Did he see the argument between Dj Quik & Biggies camp
Cedric The Entertainer....you not fooling me. Nah but big up to this Channel 📺💯
Damn this channel official, proud to see how you’ve came up
Great interview 👍
Hate when dudes say Tupac "shouldn't have done this or that ... " Tupac knew what he was getting himself into and the possible outcomes (including his demise), it's right there in his music like a manifesto!
I get what people mean tho. Its more like they wish he hadnt have done... whatever, then he may still be alive and we would possibly still be enjoying his continuous work. I dont think theyre commenting on accountability when they say that
Flex seem like a real level-headed person even back then when he was explaining the stories and how he felt and what he was thinking real level-headed brother
REST IN PEACE THE NOTORIOUS B.I.G.
I Like J Flex Biggie Impersonation.😂😂
That street life got a spirit in them folks don’t realize it until it’s to late Pac and Biggie was taken out so the game could become what it’s is today because people forget Stone Mountain/Atl has always had major love for pac especially the mound because his center was down the street from my crib we Bbq at the value mall on his birthday the hood comes together and celebrate
That part of memorial drive is not the hood... stone mountain is the suburbs 🤣
That’s the first thing I did when I moved to ga. Went to the center.
@@mallyg3125 well go down central dr it’s no suburb it use to be some parts are some not when I say the hood I’m talking about the neighborhood smh
@@MrBmxe2010 it's the suburb too central drive is just a street in stone mountain 🤣🤣🤣 dudes from Atlanta don't even go out to Dekalb county
@@mallyg3125 you from the mound it’s a big difference if you here east side dont play same as the city
J flex basically said hip hop died that night. It's like everybody waited until Pac died to come outside.
These are deep as Mob James interviews. If not better . It turns out to be the way it's going.
Great interview... Woulda liked to hear a lil more detail on why he didn't go to vegas
Can we get a interview with the homey Karen?🤔 Sound like her stories would be interesting.
The streets been knew. I’m glad he said that,being in the streets in the 90s was just different. lil kids from south side I’m talking about 12 to 13 use to brag about it back then.
I aint heard Julio G's name in years. Shout out to the legend
Great share. #tupac #biggiesmalls #thedossierpodcast
The reality is I'm sad both the brothers passing the way that they did mistakes was made on both sides cuz they was young men if I had any advice for anybody if you was able to live past 25 years old be thankful love your people and try to make the right decisions out here.... Rest in peace to all the fallen soldiers all the innocent people who passed away....
The politics get the innocent killed and also cause collateral damage hip hop will never recover if it does it'll take another 50 years and that's the unfortunate part
Biggie thought Cali didn’t have real love for Pac and that nobody would retaliate for Pac. Biggest mistake of his life.
Puffy should of learned from the Sacramento incident where BIG almost died that night smh shit sad foreal.
The E 40 incident?
puffy owned big masters and publishing and had a double album completed by BIg. Do the math, he helped big get lined up
That E 40 thing?
Amazing interview. Better than Gladtv
It was reckless being a Death Row member wearing a death row chain going up to biggie tryna to make music the night he died.
Big did say he was Ready To Die, damn...........
I coulda been there, then later I was like, I coulda been there! Dayummm!!! Straight keefee d 1😄🤣
Im surprised BadBoy didn't think Jflex set them up since Big got shot 20 minutes after Flex talk to them,that would've been the first thing cross my mind lol.
Thats what i was thinking too. At the same time if the Poochie/Suge theory is true then Jflex was obviously not aware of what was about to happen (if he approached them for a feature)
big gene already said that he didn't trust him and his this is just for the music gene said yea iight
@@dexterisaccs545 Exactly,and he said he had on a DeathRow Chain lol
Biggie was playing himself going to LA after 2pac got killed. He even made a song about going back to Cali. smh
Damn you truly
Beautiful black queen 😍
@@chase5047 y'all niggas corny
Not only that. He spit that verse on the radio from your nobody til somebody kills you. Mad disrespectful to pac when he's already dead
Man I like this dude bruh. He solid
So this is the person Gene Deal was talking about.
Yup this is him.. just shows that Gene Deal doesn't be telling lies.
What Gene said about him
What did gene say about him? Anyone got a link?
What he say?
when i first heard Big was in cali that time I also thought it was too soon going to Cali, he shouldve waited 5 years or not going at all. RIP B.I.G
When Biggie did Long Kiss Goodnight on the radio Live that was officially saying come get me i dare you....IMO
Biggie sealed his fate once his plane landed in LA! That was pure stupidity, pure ignorance and felt way too much like mocking. Everyone knew he wasn’t going to leave LA in one piece once he landed.
He thought he was going to get away with disrespecting Pac at a tender moment in HIS city; BIG DAMN MISTAKE!
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes!! 🤷🏾♀️
The maddest thing is the hit was already put on Biggie the moment He landed in LA. He just speeded things up and put the petrol on fire by dissing 2Pac on the radio. Got zero sympathy for Him. As you said play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Why does he keep saying Hit Em Up was tied with the streets and gangs? I hope you asked him about that.
When you speak like how Pac did on that track you're going beyond just rap.
@@kevinlee9929 wrong pac was told to do hit em up so they could do death row east coast he was told to address who he had beef with in one song cause he couldn't keep saying ny. also this is the result for puff not sending a rep to the meeting to squash the beef
@@go-ut1pc Tupac Shakur was a grown azz man. Quit speaking on him as if he was a child like many love to do on this channel.
@@kevinlee9929 you clearly dont know how a record label and artist work have a nice day bruh lmfaooo
@@go-ut1pc Suge told Pac to make the Makaveli album a diss album from start to finish. Was it? Suge told Pac to come out the gate going in on people on All Eyez On Me. Did he? But y'all treat this grown man like he was a kid. Ish is pathetic.
I was 12 when i first heard Life After Death, i then immediately stole the disk's from my sisters boyfriend... ; ) and BRO that was it! I was hooked for life! .........B.I.G
then to find Tupac, Big L, Big Pun, Nas, Jay Z, DMX, and on, and on, and on!
J-flexx sayin he seen Big everywhere, meanwhile flexx actually was keeping tabs on him lol
These old school stories are too intriguing. Its fascinating to hear first hand, detailed account of what went down. Go back 10 years and information was limited! 🤔💯
same thing will happen in this new era..20 years from now, we will hear stories about what's going on now. people feel more comfortable speaking their truths after time has passed. usually, time heals all wounds..and no one can get indicted because of statue of limitations..and after 20 years, it's just easier to speak on things...10 years ago, things were still sort of fresh.
@@sabot4ge appreciate what you're saying g, but there were only a few documentaries with snippets of first hand account, whereas now TH-cam give people like Jflex, BG NOC etc the platform to tell their story. Go back 10 years and the truth surrounding Pac's death was still a mystery, but of course now the truth is out there and the details of what occured. 💯✌
I blame puff
@Rico Pierre Blame Pac for what? Big was a ignorant to come to L. A too soon after 2pac death and do a song Back to Cali.
Big should have more security with him. 2pac never wanted Bog death.
Big and Puff Daddy felt very comfortable.
And Big was singing to Diss to the pac on the radio in l.a.Ys Big fans have to see that was Big's mistake, he should be using bulletproof vest, or he felt untouchable not using.
@Rico Pierre Big was never a saint. Maybe you do not know but the guard Coast of Puff Daddy killed the best friend of the Sorge at a party in 94.Sugue said that Puff sent someone talking to him but he refused, because he said that blood pays himself with blood. What do you fans of Big do not realize is that Suge has already wanted revenge for his friend.And he took the opportunity when Big came to L.A. Puff put Big in a difficult situation, because Big's death was revenge for the assassination of Suge's best friend.
Suge was always waiting to avenge his best friend's death. Many people do not know this story but join the pieces you can see that the puff already had blood in the hands.
Listen to hundreds of videos and hours of tape about big and pac this one was one of the best
This confirms Gene and Carson once again.....
Im from Texas and i knew bacc then that biggie (r.i.p) wuz tripping going to the west coast......streets is the streets...especially bac then
..nobody is untouchable
“By that time pac was already dead and suge was locked up” damn bro no loyalty lol this guy is cool and all but that particular comment didn’t sit well
Loyalty? He said from the beginning it was about music and that's it. He trying to make his money.
@@klerktrent6226 which by definition means he had no loyalty to death row right? I’m not laying into him over that but I’m just being honest hearing him say how he figured hey pac is dead suge is in jail I might as well walk over to the opposition table and see if I can get in good with them something about that doesn’t sit well with me personally .
@@ramind824
Lol I'm tripping.. right no loyalty. As he shouldn't or should he🤔
@@klerktrent6226 nah I mean based on his story of his time on the row he had his reasons too so I see both sides but I feel like damn what did he really expect was going to happen lol imagine biggie didn’t get murdered that night and this guy actually met up with biggie and did some work....even though suge was in jail do you really think that would have been accepted by death row ?
@@ramind824
The hell was any artist really gonna do at Death Row by that point? With its flagship artist dead and no CEO to oversee daily business, it was a sinking ship. Anybody who stayed, drowned. Lol.
Gene deal been speaking the truth
*Puffy brought Biggie to Cali too soon after PAC’s death
I like this dude seems genuine and 💯 Official
I put all the blame on Puff Daddy.
Absolutely !!! Big facts !!!
You blaming puff like he made biggie rap his diss on the radio, big was a grown man.
Biggie was doing funny stuff too tho.
Just like Pac. Biggie was a grown azz man.
@@ItsAnEndlessWorld Exactly
You know how to get the right people to fill in the gaps. Salute and respect
I think Quad studios started Pac down a different road.I think it did something to his mindset. He is one of the people in history I wish I could sit and have a conversation with. The world didn't get to experience a 10th of what was in that dude.
Let's not forget Puffy once said he was tired of "living like this and didnt care who had to die", im paraphrasing, but he was sick of all of it and was cool with Pac and Big dying so he'd get some relief, its some dirty shit.
The beginning monologue of Biggie's Going Back To Cali must haunt Puffy til this day.
Fuck Suge, we gotta get this paper but at the same time Biggie was moving real sloppy on the west coast.
I don't think much of anything haunts Puff these days. 🤷🏻♂️
@@dugnice I think dude live with a lot of guilt... Why he always changing his name and trying to be all positive.
@@88K-d6h
I'm sure he does.
damn this whole interview is great
Cant remember which documentary it was but, King Tech was saying the exact same thing bout how reckless Biggie was moving around L.A. He said he thought it was kinda "cocky" that he'd just see Big, Cease, and sum chicks riding around town. He wasn't dissing Big, he was just saying that Big didn't seem to understand how serious it was out here.
Yukmouth said he went to biggie room 1 nite nd there was sum girls there that usually hang at death row. He told him to watch hisself
@@313DMan1 WHOA...where can I see that interview?
@@lethal5flow679 word
It was notorious big bigger than life documentary where king tech talked about Biggie in LA and being cocky...plus king tech spit some knowledge about being in LA having contacts and protection..also king tech said Biggie was riding with cease and some girls...he was like man that’s kind of cocky i wouldn’t do that..peeps asked king tech was Biggie his friend and he said yes...they told king tech to tell Biggie out of LA ..true story..
On the Me against the world album he was shouting out MOB before he was on death row..
Nahh, he was shouting out the producer Easy Mo Bee. I made this same mistake and then somebody corrected me and I realised he was right.
Easy mo bee bruh I thought the same thing but naw it was easy mo bee 😂😂😂
@@BabsW Correct. Alot of Pac fans show they don't know as much about Pac as what they think when they post certain comments. Lol
@@kevinlee9929 Right. Unfortunately I have to admit that Tupac was repping MOB Piru in his final months.
@@BabsW IDK why people can't believe this. Its clear as day thats what he was doing. After what happened in New York he wanted some guys that he knew was with the ish and found them in Suge and the MOB Pirus.
Brooklyn rappers stay getting smoked in LA.. Biggie and Pop Smoke
Puffy should have known better, the day Biggie was shot, I told my ex girlfriend that it was a fatal mistake for Biggie to go to LA this soon after the war between Death Row and Bad Boy, I blame Puffy for that, he should have known better